Mark of the Beast

[SpiritLedEd]

As I opened up my Bible this morning, the ink-pen I had in it was at Acts chapter 3. So, I read it. It's amazing that Peter went from denying our LORD, to healing (of course in JESUS name), and then preaching one of the best sermons, I know of. We can do nothing apart from the HOLY SPIRIT. Oh, to walk in the SPIRIT continually. I have so far to go.

Don't feel bad, JMH137. I've been saved and studying Scripture for nearly 23 years, and I'm just getting out of the starting gate.

SLE

 

[Cognitive]

Like the chip and pin cards we see today, we use them to shop to pay bills etc.

What if the choice is, due to theft of these cards and the crimiinal fraud that is massively growing, that this chip will be implanted in your wrist, forehead etc.

The only way to shop for food, pay for Gas and electric and buy the idols we have around our home. Is to get this chip implanted.

What would you do?

Grow your own food? Give up your home? Completely give up material posessions?

What would Jesus do? Thats where I found my answer.
God Bless.

 

[4Jesus]

There are not only those who receive the mark of the beast but those who worship the image of the beast.

"And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth . . . there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshiped his image" (Revelation 16:1, 2).


We read in Revelation 13, it has two horns "like a lamb," yet "speaks as a dragon," influenced by Satan himself. Therefore, this beast masquerades as if it is of Christ, yet is of Satan! The Bible plainly warns against counterfeits! Jesus Himself said:

"Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying I am Christ: and shall deceive many ... and many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold . . . " (Matthew 24:4-12).


David

 

[Chad]

Brother David, I believe what you quoted is referring to when the final antichrist comes and deceives people to think that he is Jesus. I believe those people will worship him [the deceived]. Sad events to come.

Matthew Henry's Commentary

The first vial is poured out on the earth, the second on the sea, the third on the rivers and fountains. We are to pray that the will of God may be done on earth as it is done in heaven. Here is a succession of terrible judgments of Providence; and there seems to be an allusion to several of the plagues of Egypt. The sins were alike, and so were the punishments. The vials refer to the seven trumpets, which represented the rise of antichrist; and the fall of the enemies of the church shall bear some resemblance to their rise.

All things throughout their earth, their air, their sea, their rivers, their cities, all are condemned to ruin, all accursed for the wickedness of that people. No wonder that angels, who witness or execute the Divine vengeance on the obstinate haters of God, of Christ, and of holiness, praise his justice and truth; and adore his awful judgments, when he brings upon cruel persecutors the tortures they made his saints and prophets suffer. (Rev 16:8-11)

 

[4Jesus]

Brother David, I believe what you quoted is referring to when the final antichrist comes and deceives people to think that he is Jesus. I believe those people will worship him [the deceived]. Sad events to come.

Matthew Henry's Commentary

The first vial is poured out on the earth, the second on the sea, the third on the rivers and fountains. We are to pray that the will of God may be done on earth as it is done in heaven. Here is a succession of terrible judgments of Providence; and there seems to be an allusion to several of the plagues of Egypt. The sins were alike, and so were the punishments. The vials refer to the seven trumpets, which represented the rise of antichrist; and the fall of the enemies of the church shall bear some resemblance to their rise.

All things throughout their earth, their air, their sea, their rivers, their cities, all are condemned to ruin, all accursed for the wickedness of that people. No wonder that angels, who witness or execute the Divine vengeance on the obstinate haters of God, of Christ, and of holiness, praise his justice and truth; and adore his awful judgments, when he brings upon cruel persecutors the tortures they made his saints and prophets suffer. (Rev 16:8-11)

Greeting Brother Chad in His Name.

I believe the Wrath of God is viewed from two vantage points. Revelation 14:14-17:2 the view is from the Throne of God. Here we are positioned as it were behind God and watch Him beginning judgement on the ungodly. In the second position we are in a 'desert' (17:3-21:9) This is the place of protection (12:13) in the midst of the judgment.

Revelation shows that the People of God survive not because they are taken away from the scene of impending world judgement but because they are protected in the midst of it.

I believe the 'anti-christ' system has always been actively deceiving, with increasing intensity; the intensity of the 'anti-christ' system will continue to intensify in its ferocity and tribulation until the Second Coming of Jesus.

Without wishing to cause division, I do not see the Great Tribulation as something yet to happen. I beleive many Christians (on a world wide view)have already been in great tribulation, even as we speak! The tribulation will undoubtedly intensify in its 'greatnessness' until God finally stops it.

I believe, for example, the early believers suffered Great and terrible Tribulation under Emporer Nero of Rome - possible the start of the Tribulation!

Your brother in Jesus
David

 

[Fellowservant]

Read Daniel as well, and the prophets, plus the new testament, just dont get all your info from one book (ie the book of revelation) the man of sin will be a real man, and demand real worship of a real idol. This is not just some spiritual only identity. Jesus said when you SEE this as Daniel has said, stand in the temple than let them that are in Judea flee into the mountains. He will also kill the saints and wear out some, so this is going to be a literal Great Tribulation. We will always have tribulation, this is the Great trib as Daniel and the prophets spoke of.

God bless

 

[4Jesus]

Read Daniel as well, and the prophets, plus the new testament, just dont get all your info from one book (ie the book of revelation) the man of sin will be a real man, and demand real worship of a real idol. This is not just some spiritual only identity. Jesus said when you SEE this as Daniel has said, stand in the temple than let them that are in Judea flee into the mountains. He will also kill the saints and wear out some, so this is going to be a literal Great Tribulation. We will always have tribulation, this is the Great trib as Daniel and the prophets spoke of.
God bless

Many Blessings to you Fellowservant.

I have read Daniel and the prophets and I have read the New Testamant and I do not soley rely only on the Book of Revelation. I regret very much that you have judged me as having not read Daniel, the prophets and the New Testament. Yes, I understand that Jesus said when you see - I believe He was telling us to open our spiritual eyes and see through spiritual eyes.. I also understand what you are saying about Daniel and the great tribulation etc., Daniel was speaking pre-tribulation and therefore great tribulation did start post-Daniel with e.g. Nero and the first believers, and has continued (on a world perspective) ever since and will intensify.

Your in His Name
David

 

[4Jesus]

Chad, my Brother in Jesus,

In your last post to me (to which I have responded) I remain a little troubled by your citation from Matthew Henry (MH).

Let me hasten to assure you that I accept MH Bible Commentary as inspired. However, in relation to your specific quote I believe that MH was absolute right in his time and for the generation in which God called him. HM was occupied with the active anti-christ of his time and generation which was the Roman Church in the time of the Reformation. The Roman Church was the anti-christ for Britain v Reformation in MH's time; and MH Henry was right in his commentary for that time.

You may recall in an earlier post I said I believed that Revelation is 're-occuring' and in this regard I believe the activity and appearance of the anti-christ is intensifying. The anti-Christ of MH time; the Roman Church, appeared as a man of violence and inquisition, but in our day the anti-christ Roman Church is appearing as 'the man of peace' - 'an angel of light', the same anti-christ, just a different appearance and intesifying in cunning deception.

I believe today's angry, violent, anti-christ (fed from the same source as the Roman Church) and who is now (in our time) roaming the earth seeking who he can destroy, especially the West, is 'The Nation of Islam'. I further tend to believe 'The Nation of Islam' is the final Anti-Christ - and he is with us now!

Blessing to you in His Name.

David

 

[Fellowservant]

Many Blessings to you Fellowservant.
I have read Daniel and the prophets and I have read the New Testamant and I do not soley rely only on the Book of Revelation. I regret very much that you have judged me as having not read Daniel, the prophets and the New Testament. Yes, I understand that Jesus said when you see - I believe He was telling us to open our spiritual eyes and see through spiritual eyes.. I also understand what you are saying about Daniel and the great tribulation etc., Daniel was speaking pre-tribulation and therefore great tribulation did start post-Daniel with e.g. Nero and the first believers, and has continued (on a world perspective) ever since and will intensify.
Your in His Name
David

No thats Preterism, Jesus was talking about a real man here the same man Paul refered to as the man of sin. If you read the new testament correctly you will see this...there will also be a false prophet, these are humans not spirits. Daniel as well.. he talks about a king who will come and rule the world along with ten other kings, and look to change times and laws and persecute the saints of God for a time times and a dividing of time, which is 3 1/2 years. Jesus said in Matthew 24 that at that time there would come a time of Great tribulation on Gods people, read it correctly brother, Preterism is a heresy.

Edit to add scripture:


Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these [are] the beginning of sorrows.



Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here [is] Christ, or there; believe [it] not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

We see here Christ talking about a time of great trouble just before his coming (ie the end of this age) he goes on and says it will be so bad that it was never to happen again or never took place in the past. This is the end times Great tribulation that Daniel spoke of with the man of sin, that the apostle Paul also spoke of..

God bless

 

[Fellowservant]

I have a question for you 4Jesus...was Nebuchadnezzars Kingdom a real one, or a non seen spiritual one?

 

[Chad]

I agree with Fellowservant. This is a real man / antichrist not spiritual sense. 4Jesus, this is about the 3rd time you also respond with how my posts "trouble" you. Seems like anything I post troubles you yes? I think thats ridiculous and rather unreasonable that coincidently each post of mine troubles you. Please, be careful in what you preach and attempt to teach, in Jesus name

 

[Fellowservant]

Ya know... i can understand that prophecy is hard to teach, but if you can't get the basics correct, then it is time to stop teaching it. So brother 4Jesus i would recommend prayer here, and God will give you some understanding about prophecy, and a revelation of his word. No offence here or pride, just truth, the word tells us to study to show ourselves approved unto God ,a workman that does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth...

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

God bless

 

[4Jesus]

"Preterism is a heresy." quote Fellowservant

Preterist - a theologian who believes that the Scripture prophecies of the Apocalypse (as in the Book of Revelations) have already been fulfilled (The Free Dictionary).

Dear Brother Fellowservant,

I do not believe, neither do I expound Scripture prophecies of Revelations have already been fulfilled.

 

[4Jesus]

I agree with Fellowservant. This is a real man / antichrist not spiritual sense. 4Jesus, this is about the 3rd time you also respond with how my posts "trouble" you. Seems like anything I post troubles you yes? I think thats ridiculous and rather unreasonable that coincidently each post of mine troubles you. Please, be careful in what you preach and attempt to teach, in Jesus name

Brother Chad,

Much of what I have read of your posts have blest and encouraged me. My mind is very open to anything a fellow Christian believes, but if something troubles me - I say so. I will in future refrain.

Yours in His Name
David

 

[4Jesus]

I have a question for you 4Jesus...was Nebuchadnezzars Kingdom a real one, or a non seen spiritual one?

Brother,

Yes, I believe it was real. However there are many spiritual lessons to be learned and understood from its existance.

David

 

[4Jesus]

I think it is appropriate that the voice and belief of the Forum owner and moderator prevail. Therefore I humbly bow out of this particular discussion; I do not believe that disagreement on theology is what Jesus has called me to do. I sincerely appologise if I have caused offence in voicing my beliefs.

In Jesus
David

 

[Cognitive]

I wouldnt like to see a fellow brother feel like he needs to stop getting his message across, and feel troubled. You shouldnt feel troubled. I wouldnt like another brother to feel like he is making another feel troubled.

Love is more important than our opinions.

Remember to love one another, and love always prevails.

 

[pilgrim.sk]

i have one powerpoint slides, which shows, that the micro-chips may be the mark of the beast. i would like to sen you, but you don´t like to receive emails, so i haven´t your mail. if you want this ppt send me. ([email protected])

 

[Fellowservant]

"Preterism is a heresy." quote Fellowservant
Preterist - a theologian who believes that the Scripture prophecies of the Apocalypse (as in the Book of Revelations) have already been fulfilled (The Free Dictionary).
Dear Brother Fellowservant,
I do not believe, neither do I expound Scripture prophecies of Revelations have already been fulfilled.

Ok sorry for that... but your interpretation of these prophecies are incorrect preterist or not, according to at least 99% of bible theologians, and is in the same catagory as heresy, as 99% of bible theologians would agree, i also agree. You can't spirtualize the coming Antichrist, you can spirtualize what spirit he's coming in, but not him... or the false prophet. John the baptist came in the spirit of Elijah, but one thing is sure, he came as a man.. also according to prophecy. So did Jesus Christ, and so will the coming man of sin (ie Antichrist)


God bless

 

[Fellowservant]

I wouldnt like to see a fellow brother feel like he needs to stop getting his message across, and feel troubled. You shouldnt feel troubled. I wouldnt like another brother to feel like he is making another feel troubled.

Love is more important than our opinions.

Remember to love one another, and love always prevails.

Love is more important than our opinions?

What i posted is not just an opinon, it is the word of God according to not just me. And as far as love, we are told to speak the truth in love. I prefer not to be blind leading the blind, don't forget that one. As far as his message getting across.. it is incorrect, as i said 99% of bible theologians would agree.

Yes brothers love does prevail, but love without truth will not.

And the truth is the man of sin is a man...

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

God bless