Marriage

[Twistie]

You just proved you didn't.

Never heard of 'em. I'm AG.

No u just showed me ur stuck in leading peep away from YH..

I will cry out to YH for u so that u may see the errors of your way..

 

[EverlastingWinter]

We are told to follow the laws of the Land unless it is against YH.. many wanna add n take away I'm not one of them.. wonder why Christians wanna look like n follow the heathens..
Them temples sure keep many spiritually immature sadly..

If people cannot afford a wedding, and the law of the land allows them to live together. They proclaim their marriage to the lord and tell family, to me that is a common law marriage. In fact their are documents in countries to state a woman is a common law house wife and so on.
If they are able to afford a wedding then it would be best to get married within a church of their faith and be blessed by a vicar. Remember, the vicar is the Sheppard of the lord, a guide for man and women to become closer with God.
Their are MANY countries that demand marriage in order to live together such as dubai, those that live their indeed should follow both the law of the land and follow their faith in the correct manners. In America their are MANY states that accept common law marriages, some don't. Same with countries.
Depending on where people in the world, their are some blessings and some misgivings. Their will always be challenges in life and that would only be 5% compared to what faces in a marriage.

I was not explaining how people can be heathens, in fact the couple in question are VERY religious, have kids. very modest and they did get married later on when they was able to afford it. People know them for their faith.

 

[Bill Taylor]

Ya said if peep bed n stay faithful it's the same as marriage that it's not fornication.. I beg to differ I know peep that change partners every few months they live with them for a few months are faithful for a few months then they move along.. takes more then sleeping with one to make a marriage.. only time one don't want a ceremony don't want witnesses don't want to make it legal in the eyes of the govt it's because they r hiding the relationship for a reason.. usually it's a money thing.. I mean take life church here in Oklahoma the one around McAlester they will tell u that living together is ok a marriage ceremony is not needed it's fine to just live together if it messes with ya finances.. know peep that meat a man n two weeks later they calling him a husband for a minute ..

J.s.

You have to keep Spiritual Laws and Man's Laws separate but in mind. These Peeps living... I'll call it Moving Commitment, are maybe Common Law Married, as per statutes and, I don't know but, maybe not. Spiritually, they are married the very moment they commit to the Sexual Union and become Adulterers and Adulteresses with their very next Union with their next partner. Civil Law does not matter in Spiritual, Yahova, Matters.

 

[Hekuran]

Yup - just ask Jacob, who woke up the next morning WITH THE WRONG GIRL!!!!

It's NOT. When they "join flesh", they're MARRIED, and as long as they remain monogamous, there's no SIN involved.

The "wedding ceremony" is PRIMARILY the execution of a LEGAL PROCESS, who's function is related to legal access, ownership of property, and legal status of any resulting CHildren. Ideally, the couple goes through the Ceremonial hoopla, and THEN goes off in private, and gets MARRIED. When there's NO marriage contract, but there are "Material assets" when/IF the couple separates, then it gets legally messy. many states in the U.S. have "Common law" statutes, which stand in place of a marriage contract when things come apart.

AND, of course, getting a "LEGAL DIVORCE" has no effect on the Spiritual "State of marriage" that exists, it's only a "Legal" status.

Nope. as long as they're true to each other, everything's spiritually O.K. but LEGALLY it can get messy.

When you JOIN FLESH - you're married. If you join flesh with somebody else, you're in Adultery.
Simple as that.

In the OLD Testament, NOBODY was indwelled by the Holy SPirit, and they were "stuck" with their human natures with all it's appetites and lusts. Multiple marriages were allowed (Probably to prevent people from murdering the unwanted spouse to get free of him/her. (The hardness of their hearts Mat 19:8).

Biblically, marriage is intended to be one MAN, and one one WOMAN - for LIFE. And given the "Moral condition" of U.S. Society, a significan number of couples who have "Weddings", have actually been married already, and are probably already in multiple adulteries.

It doesn't matter what this or that church system says, or what the "Pope" decides to "bless", or what the LBTQXYZ and "Trans" Idiots want to make "normal".

Biblically: ONE MAN, and ONE WOMAN for life. For me it's been 58 years, and we did it in the "Normal fashion" back in '65. Result: 5 children (1 didn't make it), 13 grand kids, and 3 great grand kids.

You've acknowledged the spiritual and legal elements of marriage, but not the social aspect, or the vows of faithfulness to each other.

Both are these missing elements are essential to marriage, and they are common across cultures and ages.

There is more to marriage than 'joining flesh'.

 

[Twistie]

You have to keep Spiritual Laws and Man's Laws separate but in mind. These Peeps living... I'll call it Moving Commitment, are maybe Common Law Married, as per statutes and, I don't know but, maybe not. Spiritually, they are married the very moment they commit to the Sexual Union and become Adulterers and Adulteresses with their very next Union with their next partner. Civil Law does not matter in Spiritual, Yahova, Matters.

So deceiving the govt is ok in YHs eyes according to u..

I'll take The Word over you..

The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong.

Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit." 14 so ignore them. They are blind guides leading the blind, and if one blind person guides another, they will both fall into a ditch.”

I'll leave u n ur followers alone

May the Good Lord rebuke u to bring u into His Truth n His ways..

 

[Twistie]

If people cannot afford a wedding, and the law of the land allows them to live together. They proclaim their marriage to the lord and tell family, to me that is a common law marriage. In fact their are documents in countries to state a woman is a common law house wife and so on.
If they are able to afford a wedding then it would be best to get married within a church of their faith and be blessed by a vicar. Remember, the vicar is the Sheppard of the lord, a guide for man and women to become closer with God.
Their are MANY countries that demand marriage in order to live together such as dubai, those that live their indeed should follow both the law of the land and follow their faith in the correct manners. In America their are MANY states that accept common law marriages, some don't. Same with countries.
Depending on where people in the world, their are some blessings and some misgivings. Their will always be challenges in life and that would only be 5% compared to what faces in a marriage.

I was not explaining how people can be heathens, in fact the couple in question are VERY religious, have kids. very modest and they did get married later on when they was able to afford it. People know them for their faith.

It cost us like 50 bucks.. a couple of witnesses doesn't cost a whole bunch of money.. if common law is still in place in your country of state or county that's another thing ya married in the eyes of the land eyyy?. Not trying to hide it from no one

 

[EverlastingWinter]

It cost us like 50 bucks.. a couple of witnesses doesn't cost a whole bunch of money.. if common law is still in place in your country of state or county that's another thing ya married in the eyes of the land eyyy?. Not trying to hide it from no one

It may have cost that..... 10 years ago, the cheapest when I last looked was $350 and then theirs the cost of a license... like $200, this was for the cheapest possible online marriage. Witnesses can literally be the pastors friends....so idk why you even mention it. I would recommend looking into law with common law marriages to understand it more.I do not think you understand the full concept... If your american check your state just to see, or if your in another country check that.

Winter

 

[Twistie]

It may have cost that..... 10 years ago, the cheapest when I last looked was $350 and then theirs the cost of a license... like $200, this was for the cheapest possible online marriage. Witnesses can literally be the pastors friends....so idk why you even mention it. I would recommend looking into law with common law marriages to understand it more.I do not think you understand the full concept... If your american check your state just to see, or if your in another country check that.

Winter

Common law here was it's no longer in most of the states in the USA.. justice of the peace is not no 350 it's about 50 bucks here ya don't need to rent a building ya don't need a wedding party perhaps it's what one wants but it's not needed.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

You've acknowledged the spiritual and legal elements of marriage, but not the social aspect, or the vows of faithfulness to each other.

Both are these missing elements are essential to marriage, and they are common across cultures and ages.

There is more to marriage than 'joining flesh'.

And if you've been around for very long, you already know that "Vows", in and of themselves, don't mean SPIT. FAITHFULNESS is significant, Vows are just hot air.

 

[Bill Taylor]

So deceiving the govt is ok in YHs eyes according to u..

I'll take The Word over you..

The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong.

Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit." 14 so ignore them. They are blind guides leading the blind, and if one blind person guides another, they will both fall into a ditch.”

I'll leave u n ur followers alone

May the Good Lord rebuke u to bring u into His Truth n His ways..

I have no idea where you have found this ill perception from but I, in no manner, sell this idea nor do I thunk it.

 

[Bill Taylor]

Twistie, I dislike throwing single verses or parts of verses at folks but, this is perhaps the most misused portion of scripture and, that being said, " Judge not, lest ye be judged," and I add, "by the same standard." Biblical marriage is despised by the world because of "Back Seat Romances," and the guilt factor. The problem is that scripture is true and we, every one of us are sinners.

 

[Twistie]

I have no idea where you have found this ill perception from but I, in no manner, sell this idea nor do I thunk it.

If one don't get married in the laws of the Land that would be deceiving the govt of ones marriage..would it not n I b

Twistie, I dislike throwing single verses or parts of verses at folks but, this is perhaps the most misused portion of scripture and, that being said, " Judge not, lest ye be judged," and I add, "by the same standard." Biblical marriage is despised by the world because of "Back Seat Romances," and the guilt factor. The problem is that scripture is true and we, every one of us are sinners.

It may have cost that..... 10 years ago, the cheapest when I last looked was $350 and then theirs the cost of a license... like $200, this was for the cheapest possible online marriage. Witnesses can literally be the pastors friends....so idk why you even mention it. I would recommend looking into law with common law marriages to understand it more.I do not think you understand the full concept... If your american check your state just to see, or if your in another country check that.

Winter

Naw 50 bucks here I checked not long ago

 

[Twistie]

Twistie, I dislike throwing single verses or parts of verses at folks but, this is perhaps the most misused portion of scripture and, that being said, " Judge not, lest ye be judged," and I add, "by the same standard." Biblical marriage is despised by the world because of "Back Seat Romances," and the guilt factor. The problem is that scripture is true and we, every one of us are sinners.

The Truth remains the same we r told to follow laws of the Land unless it goes against YH telling peep no witnesses or no telling the govt is ok goes against what YH tells us to do..

 

[Hekuran]

And if you've been around for very long, you already know that "Vows", in and of themselves, don't mean SPIT. FAITHFULNESS is significant, Vows are just hot air.

Sure. Faithfulness is significant, but it didn't feature in your initial description of marriage. Do you believe that marriage can exist without commitment to faithfulness?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Sure. Faithfulness is significant, but it didn't feature in your initial description of marriage. Do you believe that marriage can exist without commitment to faithfulness?

Yup - Biblical "Marriage" is "Joining of flesh" - nothing more. Jacob was MARRIED to Leah - even though he wasn't aware who he was "Joining flesh", and "Becoming ONE" with.

 

[B-A-C]

Heb 13:4; Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge.

John 4:16; He *said to her, "Go, call your husband and come here."
John 4:17; The woman answered and said, "I have no husband." Jesus *said to her, "You have correctly said, 'I have no husband';
John 4:18; for you have had five husbands, and the one whom you now have is not your husband; this you have said truly."

Why did Jesus consider five other men to be her husband, but not the one she was shacking up with now?

1Cor 6:9; Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

for·ni·ca·tion
/ˌfôrnəˈkāSHən/
https://www.google.com/search?clien...2ahUKEwiJorWXhtmDAxXPHkQIHXswACoQ3eEDegQIDRAI
noun
formal•humorous
noun: fornication; plural noun: fornications

1. sexual intercourse between people not married to each other.
   "laws forbidding adultery and fornication"
   
   
   
   That isn't my definition of fornication. Google it yourself, and let me know if you find another definition.​

 

[B-A-C]

every one of us are sinners

Where does the Bible say that? It says we "were" sinners. It says we are saints now. While some of us may sin some times, hopefully none of us
living a lifestyle of sin. Hopefully we aren't living in homosexually, adultery, and fornication.

Isa 5:20; Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

John 8:11; She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more."

 

[Bill Taylor]

If one don't get married in the laws of the Land that would be deceiving the govt of ones marriage..would it not n I b

I live in Texas and here your point is mute because a couple has only to agree they are united and they are. But to your point, Yahovaś law supersedes man's law and His marriage procedure has remained, as explained earlier, by another poster in this string.

 

[Hekuran]

Yup - Biblical "Marriage" is "Joining of flesh" - nothing more. Jacob was MARRIED to Leah - even though he wasn't aware who he was "Joining flesh", and "Becoming ONE" with.

You are straight out wrong on this point. Laban arranged a wedding feast for Jacob and Leah.

See also the story of Bathsheba in 2 Samuel 11. David sleeps with Bathsheba and she becomes pregnant. Only after the period of mourning for her husband Uriah is over do they get married.

I can't think of anywhere in the Bible where casually sleeping with someone equates to marriage. Tamar does not claim to be Judah's wife for example.

As b-a-c has pointed out, fornication would be a logical inconsistency.

 

[B-A-C]

1Cor 6:15; Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take away the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? May it never be!
1Cor 6:16; Or do you not know that the one who joins himself to a prostitute is one body with her? For He says, "THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH."

In a way, having sex with someone does make you one flesh. But it seems that joining with the wrong flesh can .. "take away the members of Christ".
You are no longer one body with Christ, now you are one body with a prostitute.

1Tim 4:2; by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron,

There are people who have lived in sin for so long, that their conscience is "seared over" and they no longer feel any guilt about doing the sin that they continue in.
This is a really dangerous place to be.

Rom 1:21; For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:24; Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.

Rom 1:25; For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Rom 1:26; For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,

Rom 1:28; And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,

There sometimes comes a point, where people no longer call sin.. "sin". They no longer see it as something that doesn't please God.
So they just keep on doing it, they never stop... they never repent... So eventually God just gives them over to their lusts. That's what you want, fine...
God will give it to you.

1Thes 4:5; not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God;
1Thes 4:6; and that no man transgress and defraud his brother in the matter because the Lord is the avenger in all these things, just as we also told you before and solemnly warned you.
1Thes 4:7; For God has not called us for the purpose of impurity, but in sanctification.
1Thes 4:8; So, he who rejects this is not rejecting man but the God who gives His Holy Spirit to you.

Why would you not want to marry someone you love? It costs too much? Really? They aren't worth it? They aren't worth a marriage license? They aren't worth a ceremony.
You spend more more than that every time you fill up your gas tank. How much money did you spend on your fishing gear/hunting gear/motorcyle/musical instruments/car/truck
... etc... if you've been living with someone for years and years, I guarantee you've had money to do this at some point.

https://www2.texasattorneygeneral.gov/files/cs/8marriage.pdf

It's amazing to see some people make excuses for sin.

Prov 29:1; A man who hardens his neck after much reproof Will suddenly be broken beyond remedy.

People can harden their hearts to the point of no cure. No remedy. No fixing.