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Married spiritually but not legally

I was raised on the Biblical morality of getting legally married in front of friends and family -- celebrating that new life together as husband and wife in the community. And that sexual intimacy before marriage was Not to take place. It was called fornication. And that engaging in sexual physical intimacy does Not make a person married in God's eyes.

And just because 'domestic partners' Can be recognized legally -- does not make for a Biblically married couple.

And just because lots of states decided to recognize same-sex unions, the voting in those states was very split. Just enough To pass, but not a vast majority by any means.

Most people still regard marriage by a clergy in a church or maybe an outdoor service officiated by a pastor and in front of friends and family as being a traditional Christian / Biblical way To be married.
 
I was raised on the Biblical morality of getting legally married in front of friends and family -- celebrating that new life together as husband and wife in the community. And that sexual intimacy before marriage was Not to take place. It was called fornication. And that engaging in sexual physical intimacy does Not make a person married in God's eyes.

And just because 'domestic partners' Can be recognized legally -- does not make for a Biblically married couple.

And just because lots of states decided to recognize same-sex unions, the voting in those states was very split. Just enough To pass, but not a vast majority by any means.

Most people still regard marriage by a clergy in a church or maybe an outdoor service officiated by a pastor and in front of friends and family as being a traditional Christian / Biblical way To be married.
True Sue....but that's tradition and Christian 'law'. Christians tend to make additional laws just like the Rabbis did. How does the bible describe marriage? Covenant between a man and a woman.
 
And just because lots of states decided to recognize same-sex unions, the voting in those states was very split. Just enough To pass, but not a vast majority by any means.

In Washington and Oregon we didn't vote on it.
It got referendum'd.

Because after all the government knows best.
 
That which I don't understand is Why people Don't want to have a wedding with all their friends / relatives present to enjoy that ceremony -- it doesn't have to be expensive -- it can be very simple with inexpensive rings to exchange. Pledge their love forever to each other. Those vows Are important. Other than a person's salvation -- marriage is the next most important decision in a person's life. A man and woman loving each other and hoping to have children together.
 
That which I don't understand is Why people Don't want to have a wedding with all their friends / relatives present to enjoy that ceremony -- it doesn't have to be expensive -- it can be very simple with inexpensive rings to exchange. Pledge their love forever to each other. Those vows Are important. Other than a person's salvation -- marriage is the next most important decision in a person's life. A man and woman loving each other and hoping to have children together.
What difference does it make....Friends and family do not make one more or less married...My wife and I were the only ones present when we married....And we are MARRIED. Personally I've never had friends. I've never seen any need for them or any advantage to having them. I have many aquaintances but never wanted friends. So why invite a bunch of people to a wedding?
 
The government wants Way too much control. They are to be serving the public -- not the public serving them.

However -- we Are to obey the laws of the land -- and Christian marriage Used to be the assumed kind of marriage between one man and one woman.

In the olden days -- marriage was marriage -- the couple was joined by the pastor in front of friends/ family. A reception following -- gifts given to the new couple to start out their married life with.
 
What difference does it make....Friends and family do not make one more or less married...My wife and I were the only ones present when we married....And we are MARRIED.


It Should make a Lot of difference. The marriage relationship is Supposed to be Special -- sex is to be an extra special benefit to be enjoyed between the husband and wife and no one else. The marriage bed to be special.

Then Who married you? To make it official.

Lots of people think that simply moving in together makes them 'official'.
 
It Should make a Lot of difference. The marriage relationship is Supposed to be Special -- sex is to be an extra special benefit to be enjoyed between the husband and wife and no one else. The marriage bed to be special.

Then Who married you? To make it official.

Lots of people think that simply moving in together makes them 'official'.
Other people are not part of my marriage...Never were and never will be....I like sex between my wife and I and other people are not welcome there either.
 
And we are to obey the law of the land. So this girl is married but needs to obtain some kind of official paper. A ten cent ring would suffice until he can get her one they like.


A certificate of marriage was required in Moses day, it was required when Jesus was on earth, it is another 'give to caesar what is caesar's give to God what is God's

To be official in God's eyes we have to do both

Shalom
 
I don't think the law of the land says that people living together should have an official paper. You only need that if you want to claim certain benefits etc. But I agree about the rings - if they want rings that is - but rings are not vital.

This is where the devil gets in Pearl, then twists things further.

To be married according to God's commands means God first but also give to the authorities what they require by law. Now if we look at today, things can get so confusing, but as Jesus said, it was not like that in the beginning. Of fact it wasn't like that in the 1940's. Everything has gone haywire in the last 70 years, the latter days of the end time.

I believe the latter days started on 14 May 1948, when Israel became a state again, the Jews ha e to be in the latter day events as we know.

Jesus said, that in the latter days the things he stated, which we see, are the birth pangs of the end. From 1948 to the current day is that pregnancy period, the first 1/3 little showed, then from the 1969, the 2/3 things started to show and boy didn't they, free speech, free sex, the pill, free everything. But we are now in the final 1/3 of the pregnancy, the birth pangs are visible and clear to see.

Everything is changing for the worst, and so fast, the devil is angry, he is running out of time.

That is why we are seeing... 'As the days of Noah were, 'Sodom and Gomorrah final sequence'. Man will go with man and woman with woman and they will be repaid in their own kind, the wages of sin is death. But here is the point, even marriage has got twisted to include the vilest of sins, under the name of marriage. It is sad but it was prophesied.

It is the same with benefits, after the war, 1940's none of this was available, but even the benefit system is warped and twisted, the devil loves it, we will change the law so women get benefit when they have children that way we can get them to work as soon as the youngest child is, I think two years old. But over time thy get twisted more, it is more beneficial for a man and woman to live in two homes and claim benefit as they are both single. It is crazy and the young ones use the system, or abuse the system for their own gain, but no one dare fight it, they want the young ones votes.

The system is corrupt Pearl, but it wasn't like that in the beginning, it wasn't like that in Jesus time, it wasn't like that 70 years ago, everything pivoted and changed from 1948.

So, when looking at marriage, marriage certificate we have only one reliable choice sister, The Bible. Written for all generations.

To me that tells me, God first, he is the author and creator of marriage, but a certificate is requires because it was required in Moses time and in the time our Lord was on earth.

That was a long way round answering the situation, but the bit in the middle and what is happening in these latter days must be considered is so important, and to compare things with today will only, I feel, lead to wrong thinking, the Truth is in The Word.

God Bless
 
But you don't need one for God - which is the point of the thread.

Interestingly enough, He does require one for divorce.

Deu_24:1 "When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some uncleanness in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house,
Deu_24:3 if the latter husband detests her and writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her as his wife,
Isa_50:1 Thus says the LORD: "Where is the certificate of your mother's divorce, Whom I have put away? Or which of My creditors is it to whom I have sold you? For your iniquities you have sold yourselves, And for your transgressions your mother has been put away.
Jer_3:8 Then I saw that for all the causes for which backsliding Israel had committed adultery, I had put her away and given her a certificate of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but went and played the harlot also.
Mat_5:31 "Furthermore it has been said, 'Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.'
Mat_19:7 They said to Him, "Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?"
Mar_10:4 They said, "Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce, and to dismiss her."
 
@ Admon Mikhael -- I was referring to married couples who 'stray' and have relationships outside of their marriage. It's called adultery.

People live within community / around other people. People make friends within the church / community activities.

So -- who Did marry you and your wife to make your union 'official'.

Those 46 yrs. ago, our pastor performed our marriage ceremony and I asked my brother-in-law to be part of it because he was also an ordained minister. Lots of people were there to witness our become husband and wife and enjoy the reception afterwards with us.
 
But you don't need one for God - which is the point of the thread.


God ordained marriage and one of the laws of the land is to have a marriage license to be legally married by a pastor in front of friends. Two witnesses.
 
Honestly -- I'm surprised that marriage is even being questioned. Maybe it's more the concept of being Emotionally married to a person. Two people can 'fall in love' / grow to love one another and are emotionally attached and then decide they Want to be married and not just remain single and being together all the time -- except for spending the nights together.

And that's what the engagement is for -- the guy and woman realize that they Want to be together all the time. They are more complete Together. But they are Not being together sexually. Then, again, a lot of couples Do begin to experiment with sex during that time. But That shouldn't even be done. That's when the really serious aspects of marriage are talked about.

Some years before I was married -- I was engaged to a guy -- after a while-- I saw More of his character and broke it off. And that was After I walked with the pastor about it.
 
This is where the devil gets in Pearl, then twists things further.

To be married according to God's commands means God first but also give to the authorities what they require by law. Now if we look at today, things can get so confusing, but as Jesus said, it was not like that in the beginning. Of fact it wasn't like that in the 1940's. Everything has gone haywire in the last 70 years, the latter days of the end time.

I believe the latter days started on 14 May 1948, when Israel became a state again, the Jews ha e to be in the latter day events as we know.

Jesus said, that in the latter days the things he stated, which we see, are the birth pangs of the end. From 1948 to the current day is that pregnancy period, the first 1/3 little showed, then from the 1969, the 2/3 things started to show and boy didn't they, free speech, free sex, the pill, free everything. But we are now in the final 1/3 of the pregnancy, the birth pangs are visible and clear to see.

Everything is changing for the worst, and so fast, the devil is angry, he is running out of time.

That is why we are seeing... 'As the days of Noah were, 'Sodom and Gomorrah final sequence'. Man will go with man and woman with woman and they will be repaid in their own kind, the wages of sin is death. But here is the point, even marriage has got twisted to include the vilest of sins, under the name of marriage. It is sad but it was prophesied.

It is the same with benefits, after the war, 1940's none of this was available, but even the benefit system is warped and twisted, the devil loves it, we will change the law so women get benefit when they have children that way we can get them to work as soon as the youngest child is, I think two years old. But over time thy get twisted more, it is more beneficial for a man and woman to live in two homes and claim benefit as they are both single. It is crazy and the young ones use the system, or abuse the system for their own gain, but no one dare fight it, they want the young ones votes.

The system is corrupt Pearl, but it wasn't like that in the beginning, it wasn't like that in Jesus time, it wasn't like that 70 years ago, everything pivoted and changed from 1948.

So, when looking at marriage, marriage certificate we have only one reliable choice sister, The Bible. Written for all generations.

To me that tells me, God first, he is the author and creator of marriage, but a certificate is requires because it was required in Moses time and in the time our Lord was on earth.

That was a long way round answering the situation, but the bit in the middle and what is happening in these latter days must be considered is so important, and to compare things with today will only, I feel, lead to wrong thinking, the Truth is in The Word.

God Bless

We are going to have to agree to differ in our opinion of what constitutes a marriage in the eyes of God. Be blessed brother.
 
God ordained marriage and one of the laws of the land is to have a marriage license to be legally married by a pastor in front of friends. Two witnesses.
To be legal for claiming tax relief or benefits a marriage licence is required but God doesn't require that though.
 
But God Does tell us To obey the laws of the land.
Were Adam and Eve married legally? Did they make vows before a celebrant? Did their offspring? No, of course they didn't but they were married in the real sense of the word and blessed by God and told to go forth and multiply. God is still the same today, he hasn't changed.
 
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