Miss Undertsanding Scriptures "Falling Away"!

[RJ]

Looks like your one of those who doesnt get it either....

it most certainly IS about believers... Heb 6:4 makes it clear they are PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT - non believers do Not partake of the spirit. And this IS REAL BELIEVERS FALLING AWAY... see 2 Peter 2:20 about that falling away after escaping the sins of the world Through a Savior and Lord (only believers) and then fall away....

a dog returns to his own vomit....

With a God in you , and he said he would never leave or forsake you...a true believer can't "Fall Away" from such a God.
Not sure about the vomit...but looks like we will just have to agree to disagree on this one!

 

[TRUTH BE TOLD]

Sorry you dont understand the vomit scripture as its about a once clean believer going back to his old sin ways.... also you do Not understand what Salvation is.... the scripture I gave you says your incorrect, funny how people with a belief never tackle those scripture that say otherwise.

the 10 virgins are all believers right? Their virgin brides for who? Jesus and never would unbelievers be called virgins when talking about marriage to the Lord..... why if you even looked at Lukes good and faithful servant you'd see he can be a good servant OR decide to be a bad one RETURNING TO HIS OLD SIN (VOMIT) LIFE.... so a believer can and DOES fall into unbelief - those verses I gave will a make sense when you see it that way...


Its Gods grace THROUGH OUR FAITH and believers can take themself's out of Gods hand.....

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

Every germinated seed needs
● water
● air
● light
● heat
● nutrition
● somewhere to put its roots down
● protection
and all in/at the right season
in order to both grow and fruit to produce seed after its kind.

Bless you and
Bless the LORD ....><>

 

[RJ]

orry you dont understand the vomit scripture as its about a once clean believer going back to his old sin ways.... also you do Not understand what Salvation is.... the scripture I gave you says your incorrect, funny how people with a belief never tackle those scripture that say otherwise.

Yes, I see you are much wiser than I am obviously the master teacher here. Again, as I have said before, we will just have to agree to disagree!

 

[Travis]

Yes, I see you are much wiser than I am obviously the master teacher here. Again, as I have said before, we will just have to agree to disagree!

Sometimes agreeing to disagree is necessary. When it becomes a common thing to do so, I think something is wrong though. If a position can't be defended, should it be promoted?

Is any prt of the word of God not defendable, in the right place at the right time?

Be ready to give an answer for the hope that is in you. Right?

Blessings,

Travis

 

[RJ]

Sometimes agreeing to disagree is necessary. When it becomes a common thing to do so, I think something is wrong though. If a position can't be defended, should it be promoted?

Is any prt of the word of God not defendable, in the right place at the right time?

Be ready to give an answer for the hope that is in you. Right?

Blessings,

Travis

OH, I have my convictions and can defend it well. But, I have been down this road before. To defend with scriptures to some does no good anyway, but to just have that discourse only identified solely as an argument by moderators. Now, I especially go to the required "agreeing to disagree", with someone when they go on the attack so quickly, They do not have a listening spirit and it is not worth the effort, to end up being chastised or reprimanded! I usually, go to a PM, to disagree with people like that, and they usually don't respond back!
If you have seen and have a particular position, create a new thread and I will respond with either an agreement or disagreement, with scripture and why, but I will do my best to avoid the appearance of an argument on the open forum!

 

[Curtis]

Sorry you dont understand the vomit scripture as its about a once clean believer going back to his old sin ways.... also you do Not understand what Salvation is.... the scripture I gave you says your incorrect, funny how people with a belief never tackle those scripture that say otherwise.

the 10 virgins are all believers right? Their virgin brides for who? Jesus and never would unbelievers be called virgins when talking about marriage to the Lord..... why if you even looked at Lukes good and faithful servant you'd see he can be a good servant OR decide to be a bad one RETURNING TO HIS OLD SIN (VOMIT) LIFE.... so a believer can and DOES fall into unbelief - those verses I gave will a make sense when you see it that way...


Its Gods grace THROUGH OUR FAITH and believers can take themself's out of Gods hand.....

The five foolish virgins were never saved, by the fact that Jesus told them "I do not know you". He did not say, well I did know you, but then I forgot who you were. There are many in the Church that look just like the real thing, but are not.

 

[Travis]

There are many in the Church that look just like the real thing, but are not.

Indeed,

Tares look just like wheat until they reach a certain point of maturity.

Jesus plants the wheat, but Satan comes in and plants the tares.

 

[Travis]

I don't have anything in mind. I was just curious what you would think about my thoughts once I put them on paper (digital).

Argue
Origin
Middle English (in the sense 'process of reasoning'): via Old French from Latin argumentum, from arguere 'make clear, prove, accuse'.​

"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"

"And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,"​

Apologetics is becoming more of a lost art. Many people don't know how to be reasonable and critical at the same time. Debate has acquired somewhat of a negative connotation now days, but this was not always the case. There was a time when many understood the value of reasoning together. Some will shy away from such because the things they believe aren't as defensible as they would like. Not trying to accuse you of such.

"Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD"​

Blessings!

Travis

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

May I add that the way to reason is by removing oneself from the argument and likewise and almost more importantly to not attempt to draw or pressure another to do differently.

We can say Our at the end and during because we want and choose to consider the argument together and not in opposition to each other.

It really does help if we can refrain from getting all I, me, my and you your but rather be bold and loving enough, determined enough, to work together to discover more and more.
It's a really beautiful thing to do!

The Lord desires to bless us so much more than we allow Him to and it seems so stupid that we mess it up when we have opportunity to grow and learn together and dwell in Him instead of dwelling upon ourselves or something negative.

Bless you ....><>

 

[Travis]

One more thing to add,

Negative can mean bad, but this is not always the case. If one takes the scriptures in their whole, it becomes quite clear that there is both the positive and the negative side presented on important subjects. Sinners are constantly warned that the path they are on leads to eternal damnation, suffering the wrath of God (negative). Sinners are also invited to freely accept Gods gift of eternal life, to do nothing but believe in order to receive everything (positive).

As with all things there is a time and a place for everything under the sun. Much of the message that the Lord brought us at his first coming was negative in nature. Some ground is soft and pliable, good ground ready to be planted in. Other ground is tough and hard and needs many a good working over. Whether positive or negative, the end goal is the same, that is fruit at the harvest.

There's enough room in the body of Christ for Apollo's, Peters, Paul's, Mary's, Mark's and even camel knee'd James's ( though some don't like James as much as others). The eye cannot say to the foot, I do not need you.

Much blessings, it is always good to be edified in the Lord.

Travis

 

[KingJ]

I hate hearing the word negative in Christianity. Christianity is not positive vs negative. It is righteousness vs wickedness. Pride vs humility. We are alive when we are fed truth. Not a brainwashed state of positivity.

Prov 27:6 Wounds from a friend can be trusted, but an enemy multiplies kisses.

 

[Travis]

@KingJ i don't fully understand your post. In the spirit of humility and a desire to gain understanding could you expand upon that a little more for me.

Maybe we will all be blessed!

Travis

 

[Ophel]

Looks like your one of those who doesnt get it either....

it most certainly IS about believers... Heb 6:4 makes it clear they are PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT - non believers do Not partake of the spirit. And this IS REAL BELIEVERS FALLING AWAY... see 2 Peter 2:20 about that falling away after escaping the sins of the world Through a Savior and Lord (only believers) and then fall away....

a dog returns to his own vomit....

A dog is an unbeliever.

 

[RJ]

A dog is an unbeliever.

• You a wise teacher of truth @Ophel. A believer is saved and Born Again and with a new regenerated heart, does not vomit , much less keep returning back to it like an unsaved, unbeliever!
• "As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his foolishness."...This is a aphorism about a non-believer. The vomit is analogous to sin, the believer no longer turns back to willful sin like a dog returns to his vomit or a pig returns to his wallow!

 

[Travis]

A dog is an unbeliever.

• You a wise teacher of truth @Ophel. A believer is saved and Born Again and with a new regenerated heart, does not vomit , much less keep returning back to it like an unsaved, unbeliever!
• "As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his foolishness."...This is a aphorism about a non-believer. The vomit is analogous to sin, the believer no longer turns back to willful sin like a dog returns to his vomit or a pig returns to his wallow!

Please don't throw books at me or something... I mean no harm.

What do you think about these verses:

Matthew 15
22 And behold, a Canaanite woman from that region came out and was crying, "Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David; my daughter is severely oppressed by a demon." 23 But he did not answer her a word. And his disciples came and begged him, saying, "Send her away, for she is crying out after us." 24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." 25 But she came and knelt before him, saying, "Lord, help me." 26 And he answered, "It is not right to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs." 27 She said, "Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table." 28 Then Jesus answered her, "O woman, great is your faith! Be it done for you as you desire." And her daughter was healed instantly.
​

Blessings,

Travis

 

[RJ]

Please don't throw books at me or something... I mean no harm.

What do you think about these verses:

Matthew 15
22 And behold, a Canaanite woman from that region came out and was crying, "Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David; my daughter is severely oppressed by a demon." 23 But he did not answer her a word. And his disciples came and begged him, saying, "Send her away, for she is crying out after us." 24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." 25 But she came and knelt before him, saying, "Lord, help me." 26 And he answered, "It is not right to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs." 27 She said, "Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table." 28 Then Jesus answered her, "O woman, great is your faith! Be it done for you as you desire." And her daughter was healed instantly.
​

Blessings,
Travis

As best as I can tell, I am not sure why you brought these verses up? In the contrast with the "vomit", these two dogs don't hunt together and have nothing to do with each other.
It looks to me, that yours is a parable. In the parable, Jesus, I am not real sure of the reason, but Jesus was challenging the woman and hurling some form of an insult at her. Dogs in that culture were considered unclean. Anyway, the woman would have nothing to do with it, humbled herself and showed her faith in Jesus. Jesus accepted her faith and healed her daughter. These verses were about faith and healing!

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

SSuggesting that Jesus was hurling insult is not what it was about. Any such suggestion is sad.
Too many say too much too hastily.

Bless you ....><>

 

[WaterRock]

A dog is an unbeliever.

Being read doesn't mean it can be said since a dog is not a man, but no man is a dog except to an unbeliever

 

[Ophel]

Please don't throw books at me or something... I mean no harm.

What do you think about these verses:

Matthew 15
22 And behold, a Canaanite woman from that region came out and was crying, "Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David; my daughter is severely oppressed by a demon." 23 But he did not answer her a word. And his disciples came and begged him, saying, "Send her away, for she is crying out after us." 24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." 25 But she came and knelt before him, saying, "Lord, help me." 26 And he answered, "It is not right to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs." 27 She said, "Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table." 28 Then Jesus answered her, "O woman, great is your faith! Be it done for you as you desire." And her daughter was healed instantly.
​

Blessings,

Travis

That "dog" was a Gentile. It was not an epithet, but a commonly used reference.