Coconut
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I am going to give a few of my thoughts on the other issue here just because I can 
That is this health arguement christians use agianst smoking.
Health experts say that the following foods should be taken with caution as
they contain cancer-causing carcinogens (that same big "C" word that makes smoking such an evil health-wise to those who dont know what we are talking about):
Fatty meat and other high-fat foods
Saturated fats, commonly found in whole milk, red meat and dairy products,
palm and coconut oils.
Smoked and processed meat, eg. ham, sausages. Smoked food absorbs tars during
the burning process. In turn, tars contain cancer-causing carcinogens.
Barbecued and deep fried food because they contain chemicals called Polycyclic
Aromatic Hydrocarbons (PAH) that increase cancer risk.
Salted food eg. salted vegetables, salted fish.
"It has long been known that cooked red meat contains cancer-causing
heterocyclic amines, which form as the meat is heated. But a surprising report from the National Cancer Institute shows that oven-broiled, pan-fried, or
grilled/barbecued chicken carries an even bigger load of these carcinogens
than does red meat. And the more you cook it, the worse it gets. A well-done
hamburger contains 33 ng/g* of the carcinogen PhIP, and a well-done grilled
steak has about 30 ng/g, but grilled chicken reached fully 480 ng/g
(Rothman, et al. Cancer Research Vol. 55, 1995: 4516-9). . . .
It is said the carcinogens in one piece of barbequed chicken are equal to smoking one whole pack of cigarettes, that would mean smoking (b-bquing) chicken is more 'evil' (as it pertains to health) than smoking tobacco. Then our fruits and vegetables are sprayed with dangerous chemicals in the many countries, and so few out of millions even blink about that 'evil' they are injesting.
Further, this is just a partial list of common HARMFUL DRUGS: (PRESCRIPTION,or OVER-THE-COUNTER) that are known to be a real or potential danger specifically to the liver (cant live without your liver) ...
Acetaminophen (Tylenol-do not take in
combination with alcohol-very hazardous)
Alcohol
Adrenocortical steroids
Amphetamines
Amoxicillin
Amyl Nitrate (severely toxic to immune system,
stress on liver and cardiovascular)
Anabolic steroids (may be capable of causing
liver tumors)
Antidepressants
Antidepressant tricyclics
Antithyroid drugs
Atenolol
Aspirin
Aspartame (deadly drug)
Barbiturates
Benzodiazepines
Birth Control Pills (oral contraceptives)
Caffeine (coffee)
Cigarettes
Cocaine
Contraceptives
Corticosteroids
Ibuprofen (Motrin)
Marijuana
Penicillins
Prescribed stress management medications (nerve pills)
Salicylates
Sleeping Pills
Sugar (highly addictive chemical)
Testosterone (may be capable of causing liver
tumors)
[Edited to add: "I believe the earth is full of medications (herbs as stated in Gen 1:29) that God made, and it is a very corrupt age when many of these have been demonized (wonder if satan had something to do with that lie?) while man made drugs have been substituted which have horrible side effects" - taken from http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/theworld/marijuana.htm
- You may want to read this authors message - I dont share all his views, and you likely wont either, but its thought provoking, which is full intent of this post, so please nobody holler at Chad that i`m over here in the health thread promoting drug use]
Drugs drugs drugs, which are good which are bad?
Christians swallow the above man made drugs by the handfuls, quite confident they know the list of which drugs are bad...tobacco, weed, and all those nasty street drugs. Yup, everybody knows that!
So lets sit back and stuff our faces with that yummy barbequed chicken, (why not even make it more toxic and deep fry it the southern way) and top it off with a nice sugary treat, and lets not forget the
soda pop. Now lets pop a pill or too (but only the good drugs of course) to counteract the effects of the chemicals now flowing deliciously thru our blood streams, and lay back in our easy chairs, and launch a lecture at the nearest smoker, about how hes not glorifying God with his body, and hes a big bad
sinner in need of deliverance.
Now I could toss a non-contexual verse in here for fun and say, "to him that
knows to do good, and does it not it is a sin" and any christian who reads
this will have to instantly and drastically change thier diet or else, but
they would only have to read the scripture as quoted above from 1Ti 4:3 to
refute that. It is our very nature to always defend our 'sacred cows'...christians will do it to the very letter of the law, not missing one dotting of the "i" or crossing of the "T" when it suits thier beliefs.
Funny how "nothing", really only means nothing, when we like the idea of nothing.
Heres an ode to the 'pick and choose the ones you like most' truths of christiandom.
Paul the apostle of Christ says in 1Co 4:6 "Brothers, I have applied all this
to Apollos and myself for your benefit, so that you may learn from us not to
go beyond what is written."
I`ve been told more things are a "sin" in my life than you can shake a stick
at, and my answer will always be, what does God say about this thing you call "sin"?
That is this health arguement christians use agianst smoking. Health experts say that the following foods should be taken with caution as
they contain cancer-causing carcinogens (that same big "C" word that makes smoking such an evil health-wise to those who dont know what we are talking about):
Fatty meat and other high-fat foods
Saturated fats, commonly found in whole milk, red meat and dairy products,
palm and coconut oils.
Smoked and processed meat, eg. ham, sausages. Smoked food absorbs tars during
the burning process. In turn, tars contain cancer-causing carcinogens.
Barbecued and deep fried food because they contain chemicals called Polycyclic
Aromatic Hydrocarbons (PAH) that increase cancer risk.
Salted food eg. salted vegetables, salted fish.
"It has long been known that cooked red meat contains cancer-causing
heterocyclic amines, which form as the meat is heated. But a surprising report from the National Cancer Institute shows that oven-broiled, pan-fried, or
grilled/barbecued chicken carries an even bigger load of these carcinogens
than does red meat. And the more you cook it, the worse it gets. A well-done
hamburger contains 33 ng/g* of the carcinogen PhIP, and a well-done grilled
steak has about 30 ng/g, but grilled chicken reached fully 480 ng/g
(Rothman, et al. Cancer Research Vol. 55, 1995: 4516-9). . . .
It is said the carcinogens in one piece of barbequed chicken are equal to smoking one whole pack of cigarettes, that would mean smoking (b-bquing) chicken is more 'evil' (as it pertains to health) than smoking tobacco. Then our fruits and vegetables are sprayed with dangerous chemicals in the many countries, and so few out of millions even blink about that 'evil' they are injesting.
Further, this is just a partial list of common HARMFUL DRUGS: (PRESCRIPTION,or OVER-THE-COUNTER) that are known to be a real or potential danger specifically to the liver (cant live without your liver) ...
Acetaminophen (Tylenol-do not take in
combination with alcohol-very hazardous)
Alcohol
Adrenocortical steroids
Amphetamines
Amoxicillin
Amyl Nitrate (severely toxic to immune system,
stress on liver and cardiovascular)
Anabolic steroids (may be capable of causing
liver tumors)
Antidepressants
Antidepressant tricyclics
Antithyroid drugs
Atenolol
Aspirin
Aspartame (deadly drug)
Barbiturates
Benzodiazepines
Birth Control Pills (oral contraceptives)
Caffeine (coffee)
Cigarettes
Cocaine
Contraceptives
Corticosteroids
Ibuprofen (Motrin)
Marijuana
Penicillins
Prescribed stress management medications (nerve pills)
Salicylates
Sleeping Pills
Sugar (highly addictive chemical)
Testosterone (may be capable of causing liver
tumors)
[Edited to add: "I believe the earth is full of medications (herbs as stated in Gen 1:29) that God made, and it is a very corrupt age when many of these have been demonized (wonder if satan had something to do with that lie?) while man made drugs have been substituted which have horrible side effects" - taken from http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/theworld/marijuana.htm
- You may want to read this authors message - I dont share all his views, and you likely wont either, but its thought provoking, which is full intent of this post, so please nobody holler at Chad that i`m over here in the health thread promoting drug use]
Drugs drugs drugs, which are good which are bad?
Christians swallow the above man made drugs by the handfuls, quite confident they know the list of which drugs are bad...tobacco, weed, and all those nasty street drugs. Yup, everybody knows that!
So lets sit back and stuff our faces with that yummy barbequed chicken, (why not even make it more toxic and deep fry it the southern way) and top it off with a nice sugary treat, and lets not forget the
soda pop. Now lets pop a pill or too (but only the good drugs of course) to counteract the effects of the chemicals now flowing deliciously thru our blood streams, and lay back in our easy chairs, and launch a lecture at the nearest smoker, about how hes not glorifying God with his body, and hes a big bad
sinner in need of deliverance.
Now I could toss a non-contexual verse in here for fun and say, "to him that
knows to do good, and does it not it is a sin" and any christian who reads
this will have to instantly and drastically change thier diet or else, but
they would only have to read the scripture as quoted above from 1Ti 4:3 to
refute that. It is our very nature to always defend our 'sacred cows'...christians will do it to the very letter of the law, not missing one dotting of the "i" or crossing of the "T" when it suits thier beliefs.
Funny how "nothing", really only means nothing, when we like the idea of nothing.
Heres an ode to the 'pick and choose the ones you like most' truths of christiandom.
Paul the apostle of Christ says in 1Co 4:6 "Brothers, I have applied all this
to Apollos and myself for your benefit, so that you may learn from us not to
go beyond what is written."
I`ve been told more things are a "sin" in my life than you can shake a stick
at, and my answer will always be, what does God say about this thing you call "sin"?
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