No man's land.

[cmd73]

Child = children
This was speaking about a particular situation that would happen.
The child was simply used as a timeframe.

Before the child REACHED the age of Accountability.
So if this child has a set time of Accountability , then so do ALL CHILDREN.

Your mind has been so darkened from your constant questioning of God and His Ways and throwing it all away to follow your own way that you can't understand the simplest things of God.

I believe there is still a sliver of light left, otherwise you would not still be here.
I caution you to not snuff it out.
Don't let the darkness rob you.

It's not like that verse spells out everything you're saying. Still believe if you want that children are saved without faith, then your requirement for salvation falls flat on it's face.

 

[cmd73]

the reason most cant find faith is they like there sinful life and do not want to repent IMO

And yet it's the sinner who God expects to repent.

 

[Hekuran]

Hello @cmd73

You described in your opening post how you gave up everything for Jesus and it resulted only in loss.

What is your fundamental belief about God now - that the God of the Bible does not exist, or that God is not good?

 

[B-A-C]

Anyway, there's nothing in the Bible about an age of accountability. So your just as prone to biblical fallacies as you think I was.

Not quite correct.

Isa 7:15; "He will eat curds and honey at the time He knows enough to refuse evil and choose good.

 

[Christ4Ever]

No matter how much I tried to believe, no matter how much I bent my knee, no matter how much I gave up for Jesus, I never found him.

In the end faith collapsed in on it self, I was left with less than nothing and a hole in my life. My family was lost, my friend's abandoned me and my daughter almost had me thrown into prison.

And in all this trouble, nowhere was this God to be found.

Dear @cmd73
First my heart goes out to you and what you suffered through.

Not easy feeling like you've done everything that you believed that the Bible told you, or someone said it needed to be done and then nothing.

The feeling of rejection is hard, but add to that the feeling of the possibility of being ignored, which then normally is followed with disbelief. Of course all that's left to the wretch to ask themselves is, Why? You gave it your all, and was willing to sacrifice everything that one would hold dear in this world, and you received not even a cool breeze on a hot night.

So, with all that being said, you determined that you'd been wrong. There could be no god, at least not the one spoken of by the Christians and the Bible.

Close enough to the truth of what happened to you?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
<><

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

It's not like that verse spells out everything you're saying. Still believe if you want that children are saved without faith, then your requirement for salvation falls flat on it's face.

You really don't even understand what you are saying.
Gods love protects the children.
It changed nothing about salvation.

You are so bent on making God to be ignorant and cruel that you can't see. You have allowed the darkness to blind you and fill you full of anger against God and what is Good.

Now who does that sound like that you are listening to?

 

[cmd73]

You really don't even understand what you are saying.
Gods love protects the children.
It changed nothing about salvation.

You are so bent on making God to be ignorant and cruel that you can't see. You have allowed the darkness to blind you and fill you full of anger against God and what is Good.

Now who does that sound like that you are listening to?

I would think it's more likely that people who think God sends people he loves to hell would posses a darker mind. Don't get upset by my darkness, it's nothing compared to the thing's these people think.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

I would think it's more likely that people who think God sends people he loves to hell would posses a darker mind. Don't get upset by my darkness, it's nothing compared to the thing's these people think.

Yes I bet you would like to think that.
HOWEVER you are turning the Truth around in an attempt once again to make God out to be evil and cruel.

God only sent one man to hell.
God will not ever send any other man to hell.

Jesus is the only man that God ever sent to hell IN OUR PLACE.

God has GIVEN EVERY MAN A CHOICE.
Man must CHOOSE.
God gave every man the free will to choose Life or Death.

satan pushes God is evil and sends innocent men to hell. That is a deceptive sales pitch to keep you in his grip.

God sends NO ONE TO HELL.
IT'S NOT GOD'S CHOICE.
IT'S MAN'S CHOICE.
MAN CHOOSES BY ACCEPTING OR DENYING CHRIST.

 

[cmd73]

Hello @cmd73

You described in your opening post how you gave up everything for Jesus and it resulted only in loss.

What is your fundamental belief about God now - that the God of the Bible does not exist, or that God is not good?

There is only us.

 

[cmd73]

Not quite correct.

Isa 7:15; "He will eat curds and honey at the time He knows enough to refuse evil and choose good.

Yeah but knowing the good will kill you also

Genesis 2:17

 

[cmd73]

Dear @cmd73
First my heart goes out to you and what you suffered through.

Not easy feeling like you've done everything that you believed that the Bible told you, or someone said it needed to be done and then nothing.

The feeling of rejection is hard, but add to that the feeling of the possibility of being ignored, which then normally is followed with disbelief. Of course all that's left to the wretch to ask themselves is, Why? You gave it your all, and was willing to sacrifice everything that one would hold dear in this world, and you received not even a cool breeze on a hot night.

So, with all that being said, you determined that you'd been wrong. There could be no god, at least not the one spoken of by the Christians and the Bible.

Close enough to the truth of what happened to you?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
<><

Yeah I think you understand.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Yeah I think you understand.

Here is where the Crossroads is at.
There's a moment in time were what we want and what God wants for us comes to a head. We are so sure, so on fire, that to the world it appears that a crazy man has just appeared on the scene. We are so full of what we believe is the knowledge of His Word, so, readily able that surely by stepping out and doing all the right things in faith, that surely He will move in my life. Move in such a way that I can't but know by His touch, voice, that He's with me and approves of what I'm doing. Dragging the lost into the Kingdom of God, even if they don't realize they need saving or even want it. This is even possibly confirmed by the church, pastor, other believers as well. For they almost feed off the energy, that fire, zealot of a person you have now become is generating. However, those nearest and dearest. Still only see a person who has lost touch with reality.

Does any of this sound familiar? If so, if you won't mind, to please tell me how so?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
<><

 

[Born Again 2004]

When is it time to do as Jesus told his disciples: " Dust off your sandals and move on" ?

 

[Christ4Ever]

When is it time to do as Jesus told his disciples: " Dust off your sandals and move on" ?

“If sinners be damned, at least let them leap to Hell over our dead bodies. And if they perish, let them perish with our arms wrapped about their knees, imploring them to stay. If Hell must be filled, let it be filled in the teeth of our exertions, and let not one go unwarned and unprayed for.”
CS

I will not give up hope.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
<><

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

I will not give up hope.

Amen! That's why I told him I believe there is still a sliver of light in him and that's why he keeps coming back.

Some of us speak with a softly understanding way and some in a direct to the core truth of His Word and others, I am not sure. The bottom line is that he shall have to make a choice once again and I pray it is a wise one.

When is it time to do as Jesus told his disciples: " Dust off your sandals and move on" ?

When I saw this reply my mind is so programmed to get back up and go again I took it as - it's time to forgive and give all your cares unto the Lord INCLUDING hurt and frustration.

Then I read your response and it got me thinking - surely he is not suggesting to turn our backs and walk away. ...

Bottom line, if we as soldiers in Christ listen for direction and minister unto him in how each of us are lead to, he will get Love, Truth and everything He needs to make his choice.

It ain't over until until the last breath.
Blessings to you and your family

 

[cmd73]

This God in particular has never answered one prayer of mine, never helped me when the chips are down, never gave me comfort at the right time. It's as if he was never there, it was as if he just didn't care. I would sometimes think the reason for such a disconnection, was because no matter what he would do I would betray him.

But even though I thought that I still continued to believed in him. I still prayed and worshipped him, all to my own down fall. When I finally left I faced the thought of being sent to hell for rejecting the living God. I tell you I had year's of living with sheer panic, I couldn't do anything but sleep it off.

I couldn't imagine returning to beliefs that would do that to my mind, no, there's no hope for me ever returning.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

This God in particular has never answered one prayer of mine, never helped me when the chips are down, never gave me comfort at the right time. It's as if he was never there, it was as if he just didn't care. I would sometimes think the reason for such a disconnection, was because no matter what he would do I would betray him.

But even though I thought that I still continued to believed in him. I still prayed and worshipped him, all to my own down fall. When I finally left I faced the thought of being sent to hell for rejecting the living God. I tell you I had year's of living with sheer panic, I couldn't do anything but sleep it off.

I couldn't imagine returning to beliefs that would do that to my mind, no, there's no hope for me ever returning.

All I have heard is how God didn't do this or God was not there but you gave your all, sacrificed everything.

How about enlightening us on how you did all this.
There is something off or missing here because nothing personal but friend God has not ever failed anyone.

Blessings to you

 

[cmd73]

All I have heard is how God didn't do this or God was not there but you gave your all, sacrificed everything.

How about enlightening us on how you did all this.
There is something off or missing here because nothing personal but friend God has not ever failed anyone.

Blessings to you

In fact the only right I did was to face this God with my whole heart, a broken sinner looking for correction. Still this attitude was not enough to make an impact on my wayward life, so I did the other thing's Christian's took for granted with faith. I kept attending church, kept studying the Bible and kept approaching his mercy seat. But none of these thing's fixed my fault's, so I could see that I was at a loss.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

In fact the only right I did was to face this God with my whole heart, a broken sinner looking for correction. Still this attitude was not enough to make an impact on my wayward life, so I did the other thing's Christian's took for granted with faith. I kept attending church, kept studying the Bible and kept approaching his mercy seat. But none of these thing's fixed my fault's, so I could see that I was at a loss.

Fixed your faults?
Did other things with Faith?
See that you were a loss?

Can you elaborate a little on this.
It's starting to make sense.
Blessings

 

[Dave M]

You should watch the movie a case for Christ it might help, I pray God will show you the light, really seek him with your heart and mind he will reveal him self to you