Not sure if I am still saved

[Bill]

The unpardonable sin is to say Christ has an evil spirit. Or that the Holy Spirit is evil.

But plainly this person needs a christian psychiatrist

Why would you say he needs a christian phychiatrist? Versus prayer? Or does no one have faith anymore?

 

[Bill]

the spiret wont talk .. you will feel it..... it will tingle from the inside out. it will not hurt you , it will not give you alta matums, fear is not associated at all...... that is guilt. god will never do that. he is love. that is your ego talking.. tell it to go away and you have no time for its nonsense and drama....you know your limits. you are in control always . breath and trust. when your house is in order you will know....................to simplify... growing pains..

The Spirit inspires people to talk. ( speaking in tongues or Mary's inspired speaking when meeting Elizabeth)

 

[lentz]

Why would you say he needs a christian phychiatrist? Versus prayer? Or does no one have faith anymore?

I dont know if he has faith or not. But really doesn't sound like it

 

[Bill]

I dont know if he has faith or not. But really doesn't sound like it

This is why we use the Gifts of the Spirit. And another reason people need to get it into thier thick heads, Why using the Gifts as often as you can is Very important

It is through experience Elijah knew to recognize the Holy Spirit when it came as a wispering wind

 

[Bill]

I dont know if he has faith or not. But really doesn't sound like it

Can you recognize when a person says he heard a voice, whether it is our Lord's or not?

 

[Twistie]

I know about withdrawals. I’ve been through it. Many times actually. I don’t think the thoughts are from the medicine. And yes there is something better called Kratom. The lord showed me. Yeah I should have left out the specifics. Most drs don’t know about kratom and wouldn’t either know anything about it or they have misinformation about it and wouldn’t like that I am switching back to it. But this thread keeps getting derailed into medical topics

Oh yes kratom is a great plant tho the taste is horrible lol..

I use the red mai dain something like that.. awesome for pain tho!

And cbd oil is great!

Twistie

 

[Twistie]

Can you recognize when a person says he heard a voice, whether it is our Lord's or not?

I've had peep tell me I need help cause I Hear YH or they want verses that says He talks smh. I don't even entertain that stinking speaking frfr

Twistie

 

[Bill]

I've had peep tell me I need help cause I Hear YH or they want verses that says He talks smh. I don't even entertain that stinking speaking frfr

Twistie

It depends a little bit on the person and the subject matter. But typically when God talks to a person you'll experience a very loving sensation, very warm and loving.

Normally, with people who are first experiencing hearing the Lord. It's always that way warm and loving.

But like I said it depends on the person and the situation. So when we look at Paul for instance it comes across as neither loving nor warm when Jesus speaks to him. Knocking him off the horse and then talking to him kind of roughly.

My spiritual director who is a priest, kept asking me "how do you hear the Lord". Try as I might I still could not explain to him where he would understand just because he had no point to reference.
One day, he was just talking to the Lord and made a comment about me saying " why would you pick a guy like Bill Brown to do this" , before he could finish the sentence the Lord spoke to him fairly roughly saying "what is it to you who I choose to do my work".

When he told me what happened I had to laugh. I said well you got two birds and one stone. I told him that he he got to hear the Lord's voice plus he had the Lord confirm what I was telling him

 

[lentz]

Can you recognize when a person says he heard a voice, whether it is our Lord's or not?

Test the spirits. Does go along with or against scripture. Sometimes that voice is yours in your own head

 

[Bill]

I was asking if you can discern or if you have the Gift of Discernment. If not, ask the Lord for it. As itis the most important Gift of the Holy Spirit after Love

 

[lentz]

I was asking if you can discern or if you have the Gift of Discernment. If not, ask the Lord for it. As itis the most important Gift of the Holy Spirit after Love

Regardless as to who is hearing....it can not contradict scripture. Again you must test the spirit and see if its God or not. If it does not go against sccripture,follow the instruction for a bit. You will know if its right or not.
I spent years believing i was called by God to preach. I preached in every church in my denominations assocation,pastored for a while,even had a radio ministry. After years of banging my head against the wall i figured it out. I was not a preacher.
But unless you give it a shot you will never know

 

[Bill]

Regardless as to who is hearing....it can not contradict scripture. Again you must test the spirit and see if its God or not. If it does not go against sccripture,follow the instruction for a bit. You will know if its right or not.
I spent years believing i was called by God to preach. I preached in every church in my denominations assocation,pastored for a while,even had a radio ministry. After years of banging my head against the wall i figured it out. I was not a preacher.
But unless you give it a shot you will never know

How can you test any Spirit when you do not have the Holy Spirit.

And for those who have the Holy Spirit but don't use the Holy Spirit it's foolishness, because it takes practice to know what you're discerning. Look at Elijah on the mountain he had the strong wind he had the storm he had all these things and he knew that each of those did not have God in them but when the Whispering Wind came he fell on his face cuz he recognized the presence of God. If you do not work on learning the gift of discernment you will never recognize the Whispering Wind

 

[complete]

' I will both lay me down in peace, and sleep:
for thou, LORD, only makest me dwell in safety.'
(Psa 4:8)

 

[Br. Bear]

 

[watertolive]

Test the spirits. Does go along with or against scripture. Sometimes that voice is yours in your own head

Greetings in the Lord,
And if I told you of visions...
You would say the same thing.

If I tell you earthly things and you believe not, how shall you believe spiritual things?

Not by power nor by might, but by my Spirit saith the Lord.

He knows those that are His.
And He will never leave us, nor forsakes us.

He is always right on time.
Humble yourselves and seek Him, with the heart of a child, and He will hear our cry.

All praise glory and honor be unto God. Amen

 

[Twistie]

Regardless as to who is hearing....it can not contradict scripture. Again you must test the spirit and see if its God or not. If it does not go against sccripture,follow the instruction for a bit. You will know if its right or not.
I spent years believing i was called by God to preach. I preached in every church in my denominations assocation,pastored for a while,even had a radio ministry. After years of banging my head against the wall i figured it out. I was not a preacher.
But unless you give it a shot you will never know

Those who belong to YH hears YH for it is written My sheep know My voice.. n it is written for Those who have Ears..
Many run out to the world to try n preach n make money off the Lord's name.. there are many hired hands.. many guides for the blind n deaf.. it's written what their purpose is in the Word


Twistie

 

[theLeadmonger]

The definition of normalcy has undergone a lot of change since it was first codified in Normandy right around 500AD. It came from the time of Clovis, an early French tribal monarch, who was born in a pagan country and became the first French ruler to "be a Christian". Saying that this that or the other thing, person, practice, idea or lifestyle is "normal" has always been a colloquialism in the English-speaking world anyway, since the English-speaking world has different laws than the French speaking world. "Normal Relations" are between the crown and the miter. That society hasn't been the paradigm in the government of France for quite some time. Napoleon Bonaparte was the first and the original "New Normal". "Normalcy" as it was first described and lectured up on at length in the graduate law schools of Paris was defined as a Christian Crusader French state. The king dictated it, in essence, and the bishop pontificated on it. Normal France was Catholic France with a state mandated religion in Notre Dame Cathedral.

With the Fall of Lewis, the 16th, that ended. There is no monarchy in France, the Royal family is no longer. Napoleon tried to bring it back and redefine it by crowing himself emperor of France, but it didn't...end well for either him or the French. Don't worry about being normal. You don't have a king and a bishopric, any more than the next Soviet Citizen does. The first amendment was supposed to protect you from busybody doeks like your amateur MD next door to the bank anyway. Your Christianity is yours, presuming that that is your lifestyle, and you need to be putting more effort of your own into doctrinal logic rather than relying on "normal" spirituality anyway.

"Normal Spirituality" was to do with the Vision of France. The Vision of France was conceptually much like The American Pioneer Spirit, or Spirit of 1776 to be more ball on the globe about it. You've noticed how the French are best known overseas for art? In legal terms, if you really want to pursue "normal" vs "abnormal" in arguments of religious law, start there. Normalcy hinged on the notion, theory, and practice of the representation of God in the solid world. Normalcy is predicated on state laws regarding, compared to, and postulated from the Second Commandment.

 

[QueenOfHearts]

Okay so, I was born again at age 16 but I fell away for a while. I have legitimate chronic pain but when I slipped into running out of my Rx early, the Lord told me to stop taking it and switch to a natural pain control option that he would show me. I was too afraid of what my family and drs would think so I kept taking the Rx and running out early. Then I had a dream that said if I didn’t repent I would lose my salvation. So I tried my best to repent and stay on the stuff the Lord showed me. But when I have been in the hospital they give you regular medicine there and each time it’s been physically difficult to switch back. I have fallen a few times since I first tried to repent into drug seeking etc. but each time the lord accepted me back.

In November of 2022, I had a bad stomach infection and I was in the hospital for a few weeks. Even when I got home the natural option wouldn’t stay down. So without asking the Lord first, I got of suboxone which is used to treat drug addiction and dependence. The Lord told me to get off it and I’ve been trying to taper off since.
The spirit had been very quiet and I thought I had possibly committed the unforgivable sin making him leave me. So I researched it and found out I hadn’t (at that point). As a result of my research I concluded that it was, slandering Him or rebuking him.

I had also been praying very hard asking the Holy Spirit to help me repent and stop being so afraid of human options of my actions.

However, a few days after I was researching what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was, I was praying and trying to be quiet and hear God and suddenly the thought “ How dare you tell me what to do” came into my head. It doesn’t make sense that I would think that after just asking and asking and asking for the Holy Spirit to talk to me and to help me repent and get over my fear of peoples opinions. I’m so confused. I don’t think that could really have been me saying that. But God feels further away than ever. I haven’t slept in like 2 days. I feel like I’m making myself crazy. I know the Holy Spirit has every right to tell me what I should or shouldn’t do. If I didn’t want his guidance I could have just gone on doing my things without saying anything like that. I would never even dream of being that disrespectful but it was like I was watching myself think it in a time of silent prayer. I honestly don’t know if it was some dark side of myself or something totally intrusive. I know I need to hear from the lord about whether I’m still his child or not. I haven’t slept in like 2 days. I keep looking for reassurance but nothing is helping.

Ok so the "How dare you tell me what to do," could have been an evil spirit. I have, in the past, taken many different pain pills for chronic back pain. God has helped me get off them and I'm now only on a nerve pain med. I have fought with myself, telling myself in my mind that I needed to get off of this such med and that if I don't I'd lose salvation/etc. I know that God wouldn't take away something that He SEALED us with! God forgives and understands we are human. Jesus has had pain too. If you feel the need and urge to repent and change your pill taking habits, then do so!!! Pray and ask God for discernement on this situation and all situations in the future! He can help you get off of the meds. You don't even have to get sick!!! HE CAN DO THE "IMPOSSIBLE!"

 

[Bill]

Ok so the "How dare you tell me what to do," could have been an evil spirit. I have, in the past, taken many different pain pills for chronic back pain. God has helped me get off them and I'm now only on a nerve pain med. I have fought with myself, telling myself in my mind that I needed to get off of this such med and that if I don't I'd lose salvation/etc. I know that God wouldn't take away something that He SEALED us with! God forgives and understands we are human. Jesus has had pain too. If you feel the need and urge to repent and change your pill taking habits, then do so!!! Pray and ask God for discernement on this situation and all situations in the future! He can help you get off of the meds. You don't even have to get sick!!! HE CAN DO THE "IMPOSSIBLE!"

May God's love fill us

I would never tell anyone to stop taking medicine . I never did understand why so many Christians are so anti-medicine in the first place.

God created us with brains, with knowledge, he doesn't expect us to be like Mindless robots running around. He wants us to grow up to learn to understand to dig into things to experiment to invent.

It's true to say that our faith should be like children however God wants us to learn with our minds and grow up.

Satan hates us, not because we grow up, but because God shares himself with us in our inventions, in our ideas, in our imagination. Satan cannot create, but God joins with us in our creation. And it's through our joint adventure with God that we join with him in creating children as well.

I understand there is rape there is incest there is all that kind of stuff, but when children are created they are still created beings.

And so we go to Medicine we talk about the medicine from doctors, we must understand that God creates people to become doctors and God gives these individuals and others ideas that become medicine. Like the vaccine for smallpox, and whooping cough, and all these other terrible diseases that have plagued mankind throughout the centuries.

I remember reading about a lady that asked the Lord one time why don't you send someone, who will cure cancer. And the Lord spoke to her and said he did send a person to cure cancer except the child was aborted.

So to say that medicine is not of the Lord, or science is not of the Lord. Is absolutely ridiculous.

Yes we trust in the Lord, and we trust in the Lord to send us to people to help us with our ailments as well. Certainly the Lord heals some people but not everyone because there are others the Lord wants us to go to the doctors take the medicine and live our lives in Him.

 

[QueenOfHearts]

May God's love fill us

I would never tell anyone to stop taking medicine . I never did understand why so many Christians are so anti-medicine in the first place.

God created us with brains, with knowledge, he doesn't expect us to be like Mindless robots running around. He wants us to grow up to learn to understand to dig into things to experiment to invent.

It's true to say that our faith should be like children however God wants us to learn with our minds and grow up.

Satan hates us, not because we grow up, but because God shares himself with us in our inventions, in our ideas, in our imagination. Satan cannot create, but God joins with us in our creation. And it's through our joint adventure with God that we join with him in creating children as well.

I understand there is rape there is incest there is all that kind of stuff, but when children are created they are still created beings.

And so we go to Medicine we talk about the medicine from doctors, we must understand that God creates people to become doctors and God gives these individuals and others ideas that become medicine. Like the vaccine for smallpox, and whooping cough, and all these other terrible diseases that have plagued mankind throughout the centuries.

I remember reading about a lady that asked the Lord one time why don't you send someone, who will cure cancer. And the Lord spoke to her and said he did send a person to cure cancer except the child was aborted.

So to say that medicine is not of the Lord, or science is not of the Lord. Is absolutely ridiculous.

Yes we trust in the Lord, and we trust in the Lord to send us to people to help us with our ailments as well. Certainly the Lord heals some people but not everyone because there are others the Lord wants us to go to the doctors take the medicine and live our lives in Him.

I never said that God didn’t agree to take medicine…I said If the poster seems to want to stop taking meds, then pray about it and ask God to Help them with it!! I said to pray and ask for discernment on situation