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Opinions on human actions towards sin

Kmp2890

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This is just my opinions on the topic - and I'm interested in learning what other people think :)

If homosexuality is a sin, isn't the act of condemning that sin also a sin?

Explanation:

It seems like it’s a vicious cycle that just keeps getting worse. If in the Bible, homosexual actions are a sin, we should also acknowledge the multitude of sins every one of us commits on a daily basis.

Premarital heterosexual sex, for example, is a sin that many people commit, however, it does not seem to get nearly enough light shed on it with our society. And the fact that it does not have light shed on it is a fault of humans. Protests aren't being held for premarital heterosexual sex. Why? Perhaps because society is attempting to assign rank to sins. This is a result of humans deciding which sins are worse than others. But the truth is, God says he hates ALL sin, equal. So if humans shine light on certain sins, shouldn’t other sins should also have light shed on them?


Instead of judging and protesting other people's sin, shouldn't we as humans simply pray? And, instead, shouldn't we be glorifying the God’s kingdom by spreading love and kindness in other ways (such as volunteering, helping others, and loving) in opposition to forming protests that condemn other people’s sins, and judgements on sin? Sin is for God to decide, we should only spread kindness.

Matthew 7:2
"For you will be treated as you treat others. The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged.”
-If we judge others for the sin of homosexual actions and protest against their actions, we will be subject to the same harsh judgements for all of our sins - since God hates all sin equally.

Matthew 7:4
"How can you think of saying to your friend, 'Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye,' when you can't see past the log in your own eye?”
-It seems as though when people protest the sin of homosexual actions, and protest homosexual marriage, they are condemning homosexual individuals on their sins, and they are ignoring the sins within themselves. For example: how can a man condemn another person for committing the sin of homosexual actions when that same man has cheated on his wife? They are both sins in God’s eyes.

Each individual should worry about his or her own relationship with God, rather than condemning others. Why should we condemn and protest homosexual actions? If we truly cared about glorifying God, wouldn't we say a prayer for all sin, and pray that the holy spirit finds it’s way to deliver everyone from all sin?

In today’s society, why don't humans protest ALL sin? Why aren’t protests and movements being held to stop premarital heterosexual sex? Why are humans selecting certain sins to be worse than other sins? We are sinning when we assign rank to sin - it is a sin within itself - because the rank of sin is not for humans to decide, it is for God to decide.

God hates all sin. God does not hate us. God loves us. We all sin EVERY day. Shouldn't we as humans not act as "know it alls?”

What a humbling and truthful moment it would be to accept that we are only human, and we truly don't know everything. We don’t know why people act the way they do, or feel the way they do - only God knows that. Only God knows everything, and God knows we sin every day - so we as humans are in NO place to condemn others - we are only in the place to pray for others, and to pray for ourselves.

The person protesting and condemning homosexual actions should also realize that he or she is no better than the person in which they are condemning - because we all sin on a daily basis in different ways - nonetheless - we still ALL sin.

What an amazing moment to realize that we are all equal in sin. Quite possibly, one of the only things every human has in common with every other human on earth is that we all sin. We are all sinners - and what an even more amazing moment to realize the truth that even though God hates sin, God loves us all, even though we sin.

Consider the book of Job - Job's friends told him he was being punished because he “must have sinned,” and told him that must be why he was suffering. By Job’s friends casting that judgement, Job's friends were also sinning in their actions, because they acted as 'know it alls' and because they were condemning Job. Job, in turn defended himself as being perfectly innocent and “having done nothing” to deserve this suffering - and therefore, additionally, Job sinned himself because he prided his righteousness and assumed he never sinned, when in fact, he did. What is important, though, is that God said they're ALL wrong (both Job and his friends). Because GOD is the only one who can decide what is right and what is wrong. So instead of us trying to "know it all" shouldn't we pray for ALL EQUAL sin to dissolve? And, instead of protesting and condemning others, shouldn't we spread love through volunteering, kindness, and help towards others?

Shouldn't we pray for God to take care of ALL sin? Pray for our own sin, and pray for other’s sin? Pray for anything and everything that God considers to be a sin? Because, it is true that we are all human, we all make mistakes, and God loves us unconditionally, regardless.

Although protesters and condemners may be attempting to glorify God’s kingdom - their actions might be fueling more hatred to circulate. Rather than protesting the sins of others, try praying with kindness and a humble heart - realize the truth that we are only human, and we don’t know all of the answers - only God knows it all. Wisdom comes from the realization that only God knows all.

We should not condemn the sins of others - we should focus on resolving our own sins, within ourselves, first. Pray for our own sin to resolve, pray for other’s sins to resolve - but always, always, treat other with kindness.

The Bible says to love your enemy. So, if some Christians believe that homosexuals are their enemy, then why are we not expelling that sin with love? Acknowledge the fact that we are only human, we all sin, and we do not have the answer. Pray to God to solve problems that we cannot solve - Jesus would not treat any individual with cruelty - so why aren’t we following Jesus’ actions in treating others with kindness?

Instead of humans trying to glorify God's kingdom by fighting, protesting, and condemning - we should stop trying to fight the fight between God and other people. Instead, we should pray for those people, pray for ourselves, and glorify God’s kingdom with kindness.

When we acknowledge the fact that we are all sinners - it makes it very difficult to condemn others on their sins - and instead, we should pray for ourselves and everyone.

Each person should worry about the 'log of sin' in their own eye, and not condemn others. Rather than condemning and protesting, replace those actions with volunteering at shelters, or helping a person in need - Glorify God’s kingdom with giving, kindness, and help, not judgement and condemning - let God be the only judge - all we should be doing is praying (praying for ourselves, and praying for others).

I think God would be pleased if we as humans made the conscious effort to glorify God's kingdom with acts of kindness, rather than acts that condemn other human’s sin when we ignore our own sin.

Am I trying to justify sin? No. But I certainly am not ranking sin, and I am making the conscious effort to not condemn others for their sins, because I know that I have a BIG log in my own eye.

Rather than protests and condemning, try prayer and trust that God will solve all problems. It's not our place to condemn others when we have sin of our own... But it is our place to glorify God's kingdom with acts of kind service to God others.
 
If homosexuality is a sin, isn't the act of condemning that sin also a sin?
If one knows the Bible, then there is no question that it is sin.
Luke 17:13 Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him,
If a person sins and is not repentant for that sin, he is no brother.
Instead of judging and protesting other people's sin, shouldn't we as humans simply pray? And, instead, shouldn't we be glorifying the God’s kingdom by spreading love and kindness in other ways (such as volunteering, helping others, and loving) in opposition to forming protests that condemn other people’s sins, and judgements on sin? Sin is for God to decide, we should only spread kindness.
People who hate sinners are no Christian.
We are called to love the sinner but hate the sin.
God tells us to love your enemy, but no where does he say to accept what they do.
Though, they are not our enemy, we should afford the same right to the homosexual, we should love them, but no where in scripture does it say that we should accept their lifestyle.
We should openly reject the unrepentant heart, but God judges and condemns; man has no power over these!
 
I'm not questioning the fact of sin vs. not sin... I'm questioning the fact of why humans decide which sins receive more attention than other sins... (God hates ALL sin).... I have to wonder why homosexuality gets more attention than premarital sex, adultery... etc (MANY, many people engage in heterosexual premarital sex, and our society seems to not deem it an "issue of sin" even though it is, equally a sin in God's eyes). The bible says all sin is bad, so if we protest, why aren't we protesting all sin? Also - I don't think I'm in the position to protest other individuals' sins when I sin myself.

If we truly paid attention to Matthew 7:4 we would notice that we sin within ourselves, and we should worry about our own sin and our own standing with God before we worry about the sins of others... Do we have to "like" or "accept" sins of others? No. But I don't believe we should be condemning or protesting them when each and every single one of us sin on a daily basis.
 
The bible says all sin is bad, so if we protest, why aren't we protesting all sin? Also - I don't think I'm in the position to protest other individuals' sins when I sin myself.
Sure, all the same but the the current Liberal / Progressive movement brings homosexuality to the forefront.
have to wonder why homosexuality gets more attention than premarital sex, adultery... etc
These would get the same attention if the left movement was dictating Pastors and marriages to be based on premarital sex, adultery... etc....get the point? :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
I do understand the point - however, I find it strange how a Christian who has committed adultery can protest a homosexual. It is all sin, so I feel that this would be better solved through peaceful prayer to God, rather than hateful protests. Why do we not just pray to God to solve these problems? Are we forgetting that there is not any problem too big that God can not solve? Pray to him to solve sin. Pray for the sinner to find their way to the holy spirit. Why are we trying to fight a fight that is not ours? Isn't there more strength in prayers to God versus a human protest?

God decides - not us. It seems strange to me that we can persecute others based on their sins, yet we ignore our own - and we all do this daily, everyone - it is human.

I just wonder how different the world would be if each person left the sins of others alone, and just worried about their own sin (because everyone sins A LOT)....

Rather than fighting it with hatred, why not fight sin with love? If the message in the Bible is eternal love - I don't think we as humans are in the place to condemn others for sin - instead of focusing on others sin - let's shift the attention off of the problem, and shift our focus on God. We should be putting our eyes on Jesus instead of on earthly problems. There are many earthly problems that ONLY Jesus can solve, not us.

My only rationale with the statement made earlier is this:
If I constantly have premarital sex, and I am a Christian, I should not be protesting other people's sin when I have majorly sinned myself. In no way am I saying that I have to "like" or "accept" the sins that others commit - I do not. But I do not judge that person for their sins, as I have sinned myself. Do I like the sin? No. Absolutely not. But I also know that only God should decide.

For example - I have to wonder - rather than condemning murders, rapists etc - how different would the world be if we prayed to God for them, kindly - rather than condemning? This is even a difficult statement for me to say - however, I have to wonder how different the world would be if we prayed to Jesus for these people who commit such evil - because I believe, truly, only Jesus knows the answer.

Instead of protesting and spreading hatred - shouldn't we stop trying to take things into our own hands? Instead, shouldn't we pray? And shouldn't we leave these problems in God's hands?

I am not justifying any sin - I am just simply saying that rather than battling earthly sin with hatred, meanness, and condemning - why don't we instead pray to God for these people in kindness? It seems like humans try to fight a battle that isn't their battle to fight - I'm confident God knows what He's doing - and I'm also confident that God is the only one who knows it all... and even though we might think we know a lot, we really don't.

It is a humbling moment to be made aware of the realization that we can learn a lot more through prayer to God, rather than through condemning others.

Again - I am not justifying any sin. I do not agree with any sin. However, I commit sin daily, as I am human, and I know I am not close to being perfect. I trust that God knows what He is doing, and I trust that problems can be solved with prayer to God, and with kindness - not condemning and fighting. I know this might not seem "logical" to many Christians - but I can't fight sin with hate - I can only fight sin with love.

I realize that the issue of homosexuality is a "hot topic" in our society - however, my entire suggestion and question is "Instead of fighting other's sin with hate, why don't we pray for the sins of others, straight to Jesus? Only Jesus knows the answers. Only Jesus can solve these problems. We are foolish if we think Jesus cannot solve these major societal issues, and we are even more foolish if we think that our regular human hands can. I think many people (Christians included) forget how powerful God is. So instead of forgetting how powerful God is, why don't we remember and acknowledge how powerful He is? Why don't we pray to Jesus to take away the sin, instead of fighting sin with more condemn?" We should acknowledge the sin to be sin and we should acknowledge it to be wrong, but I think we should look to Jesus to solve the problems, and we stop taking it into our own hands.

Some may say
Question: "well how can anything regarding sin and corruption get solved if we don't do something about it?! we're humans on earth! we have the power to spread what's right!"
Answer: .... have faith. God will fix all. Not us.

I think we should
1. Try our best to not commit sin.
2. Follow Jesus.
3. Kindly and lovingly educate others about Jesus.
4. Kindly and lovingly pray to God for individuals who commit sin and who have not yet found Jesus... because only Jesus CAN and WILL heal all.

I'm not justifying any sin. Sin is all sin and is wrong. However, I think we shouldn't forget that only Jesus has the power to fix everything through love.

:):):):):):coffee:
 
Bless you and your understanding of God and his written word!
One question though: Do you think that we are to accept another who openly sins with no regret, remorse or signs of a repentant heart?
 
however, I find it strange how a Christian who has committed adultery can protest a homosexual.

Why do you assume someone protesting homosexuality committed adultery?

Also, homosexuality is the "topic" in the media and society. They've been fighting for equal rights to marry their gay partner. However, we should stand up for God's Word and do so in love, prayer and unapologetically. No compromising despite being persecuted and told we're politically incorrect.

All sins are not equal. Homosexuality is considered an abomination. God said it so.

Leviticus 18:22
"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
 
One question though: Do you think that we are to accept another who openly sins with no regret, remorse or signs of a repentant heart?
Good question.
We have to decide how we will treat every individual as an individual and not as a class.
An unbeliever doesn't see a reason to believe much less change a behaviour that they feel works for them.
An unbeliever may never have an opportunity to know a believers strength in times of trouble or the joy that the believer
posses whether he has reason to be joyful or not.
If all unbelievers know about believers is the finger of judgement and no love or power why would
they trade what seems to work for a new life of shame.

before I was a believer I did not have any outward appearance of sin but my heart was not right.
I did all the right things but rarely out of love.
I was worse off than those who are bound in visible sin.
I could have lived a lifetime thinking I was right with the universe.
I feel like not seeing a need for Jesus is possibly the most dangerous of conditions.
 
Proverbs 6:16-19
16-19 Here are six things Godhates,
and one more that he loathes with a passion:

eyes that are arrogant,
a tongue that lies,
hands that murder the innocent,
a heart that hatches evil plots,
feet that race down a wicked track,
a mouth that lies under oath,
a troublemaker in the family.

God hates arrogant eyes. We should try not to hold ourselves above others. You sin, others sin - doesn't mean you have to be "for" the sin. Girls at my church have premarital sex yet condemn homosexuals. The person who committed adultery was not an "assumption" it was a fact. In addition, even if he hadn't committed adultery, there are many other sins he may have committed.

I think it's important to realize that we are not God. It seems some of us are arrogant and seem to "know more truths" than the next Christian or the next sinner (aka arrogant eyes).

Here's something we should all chew on. Put your eyes on Jesus, and you won't have time to condemn others. If you want to do something to "stop" sin - pray to Jesus... People are foolish if they think Jesus can't solve ever sin.

God is the only one who can tell you which sin is worse. God hates all sin. We are foolish if we try to argue with more hate. Don't you think Jesus sees? Don't you think he knows? Don't you think there's more power in prayer than there is in hateful condemning? We shouldn't act so full of ourselves and so quick to point a finger. Let God decide. It doesn't mean we have to accept the sins of others - we don't. We as Christians should hate all sin, but we shouldn't condemn others when we sin ourselves (Matthew 7:4)

Love the sinner. Hate the sin.
 
Bless you and your understanding of God and his written word!
One question though: Do you think that we are to accept another who openly sins with no regret, remorse or signs of a repentant heart?

I don't accept the sins of another person, and I don't accept the choice others make to sin with no regret, remorse, or signs of a repentant heart. I absolutely do not "accept" that.. but I certainly don't give up hope on that person... I pray for those people just as I pray for myself - I pray that the holy spirit will find those people. Everyone needs Jesus, but everyone might not be "aware" of that. I do not, however, hatefully condemn. I make a conscious effort to not hatefully condemn. What I do, however, is I pray - a lot. I pray for my sin. I pray for others' sin. I pray for individuals who openly sin and don't love Jesus - I pray for them to find their way to Jesus. Why would I want anyone to suffer a life of not knowing the love of Jesus?

So, no. I don't "accept" another who openly sins with no regret, remorse or signs of a repentant heart - however, I do not throw that person away. I pray for them. I pray for their sin. I pray for my own sin. I feel blessed that I am so humbly reminded that I am not perfect, and no one on this planet, not even the wisest theologian, knows all of the answers - no one does - only God knows all of the answers. And that, is quite possibly the most amazing thing on earth.

We have God's word. However, we are not God. It's not my place to treat sinners and non-belivers with cruelty. It is not my job to point fingers at them when I sin myself. That doesnt mean that I accept sin, though. I don't accept sin. I don't accept my own sins, and I don't accept other's sins. But the sinner is not their sin - there is a human being behind the sin who needs Jesus. I feel it is my place to kindly and lovingly educate others on the love that comes from Jesus, and I believe it is also my place to lovingly and kindly pray for both them and myself. I feel that kind, loving prayer is the ONLY way that sin can be solved. We can't solve the sin of others with our hateful and condemning human hands. We are foolish if we deny the fact that a powerful prayers straight to Jesus can fix any problem. Powerful prayers to Jesus is the only way to fix problems that human hands cannot solve.
 
Why do you assume someone protesting homosexuality committed adultery?

Also, homosexuality is the "topic" in the media and society. They've been fighting for equal rights to marry their gay partner. However, we should stand up for God's Word and do so in love, prayer and unapologetically. No compromising despite being persecuted and told we're politically incorrect.

All sins are not equal. Homosexuality is considered an abomination. God said it so.

Leviticus 18:22
"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Just because it is a sin does not mean we should treat others with hate. Don't you agree that God hears all prayer? He does. Shouldn't we be praying for both our own sins, and the sins of others - rather than simply condemning and pointing fingers?

Proverbs 6:16-19
16-19 Here are six things Godhates,
and one more that he loathes with a passion:

eyes that are arrogant,
a tongue that lies,
hands that murder the innocent,
a heart that hatches evil plots,
feet that race down a wicked track,
a mouth that lies under oath,
a troublemaker in the family.

God hates arrogant eyes. We should try not to hold ourselves above others. You sin, others sin - doesn't mean you have to be "for" the sin. Girls at my church mindfully engage in premarital sex yet condemn homosexuals. The person who committed adultery was not an "assumption" it was a fact. In addition, even if he hadn't committed adultery, there are many other sins he may have committed.

I think it's important to realize that we are not God. It seems some of us are arrogant and seem to "know more truths" than the next Christian or the next sinner (aka arrogant eyes).

Here's something we should all chew on. Put your eyes on Jesus, and you won't have time to condemn others. If we want to do something to "stop" sin - pray to Jesus... People are foolish if they think Jesus can't solve every sin. Jesus can solve every sin.

God is the only one who can tell you which sin is worse. God hates all sin. This isn't factual, but my guess is that homosexuals aren't just going to stop being homosexuals if we condemn them. It's clearly not solving anything. If we were truly concerned - shouldn't we pray for them, kindly? Jesus knows the answers that we do not know. Shouldn't we pray to Jesus to solve all sin rather than taking it into our own hands? It doesnt mean we have to be for sin - we should not be for sin - however, we do not have to be hateful, and we should pray to Jesus to solve problems that we cannot.

We are foolish if we try to argue with more hate. Don't you think Jesus sees? Don't you think he knows? Don't you think there's more power in prayer than there is in hateful condemning? We shouldn't act so full of ourselves and so quick to point a finger. Let God decide. It doesn't mean we have to accept the sins of others - we don't. We as Christians should hate all sin, but we shouldn't condemn others when we sin ourselves (Matthew 7:4)

Love the sinner. Hate the sin.

My stance on reaction towards sin does not have to be other Christians stance on their reaction towards sin.

My stance is that I hate all sin - although I am human and I sin. I hate the sin I commit. I hate the sin others commit. However, I know I am in no position to condemn others when I sin myself. Regardless, I would not want to condemn others anyway - but that doesn't mean that I accept the sin of myself and of others - I do not accept sin. I do, however, feel the only way that I can handle sin, is to accept the truth that I do not know all of the answers, and I will continue to kindly and lovingly pray to Jesus - for He is the one who does know all of the answers.
 
So, no. I don't "accept" another who openly sins with no regret, remorse or signs of a repentant heart -
So we agree, we are to love the professing homosexual and that has nothing to do with accepting their unrepentant lifestyle!
I am not sure about you but I will continue to tell them about the true gospel and I won't accept homosexual Pastors or marriages in my church!
 
I'm all about being fair, (or, what's fair in my mind) and I think that if my church is openly accepting girls and boys who constantly and mindfully engage in premarital sex (sin) and reject homosexual actions (sin) --- I'm just confused why we accept one sin and reject another. Instead, why not reject all sin, yet accept and pray for the individual? That's what I do. Reject the sin, all of it - but pray for that person, and accept that person as being precious to God (after all, God created all, and I believe God would want me to treat his creations with kindness, and pray for their sin). It is the person who is valuable, their sin is not. But I don't expect everyone to have my mentality.

If we are rejecting the homosexual sin, we should reject all sin- including those men and women who mindfully engage in premarital sex. They know it's a sin, yet do it anyway... It seems a bit hyrocritical to condemn homosexuality, but for them to think it's perfectly alright to accept premarital sex. It is not perfectly alright! Sex was intended for marriage. We should respect all of God's word- not just select what we seem to have more value.

So yes, I would say we agree if we say we hate all sin, yet we love the sinner - but we also pray for the sinner- because Jesus loves, and everyone should know the love of Jesus.
 
I'm all about being fair, (or, what's fair in my mind) and I think that if my church is openly accepting girls and boys who constantly and mindfully engage in premarital sex (sin) and reject homosexual actions (sin) --- I'm just confused why we accept one sin and reject another. Instead, why not reject all sin, yet accept and pray for the individual? That's what I do. Reject the sin, all of it - but pray for that person, and accept that person as being precious to God (after all, God created all, and I believe God would want me to treat his creations with kindness, and pray for their sin). It is the person who is valuable, their sin is not. But I don't expect everyone to have my mentality.

If we are rejecting the homosexual sin, we should reject all sin- including those men and women who mindfully engage in premarital sex. They know it's a sin, yet do it anyway... It seems a bit hyrocritical to condemn homosexuality, but for them to think it's perfectly alright to accept premarital sex. It is not perfectly alright! Sex was intended for marriage. We should respect all of God's word- not just select what we seem to have more value.

So yes, I would say we agree if we say we hate all sin, yet we love the sinner - but we also pray for the sinner- because Jesus loves, and everyone should know the love of Jesus.
What someone does in private is their business and between them and God. I know that there probably are a many of a professing Christian in church that are not truly a Christian, again that is their business and between them and God.
If they confess their sin and are unrepentant, that would be the same as a open gay saying that they are Christian, with Christ in them, but are still unrepentant. I can't control or comment on something I know nothing about. If you don't see the difference, I can't help you.
 
Kmp2890
If we are rejecting the homosexual sin, we should reject all sin- including those men and women who mindfully engage in premarital sex. They know it's a sin, yet do it anyway... It seems a bit hyrocritical to condemn homosexuality, but for them to think it's perfectly alright to accept premarital sex. It is not perfectly alright! Sex was intended for marriage. We should respect all of God's word- not just select what we seem to have more value. So yes, I would say we agree if we say we hate all sin, yet we love the sinner - but we also pray for the sinner- because Jesus loves, and everyone should know the love of Jesus. [/UNQUOTE]

There is a very long list of activities which fall short of His glory in the eyes of God. Look up the requirements for a bishop in the third chapter of 1st Timothy.

1 Ti 3:1
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
1 Ti 3:2
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1 Ti 3:3
Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
1 Ti 3:4
One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
1 Ti 3:5
(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
1 Ti 3:6
Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
1 Ti 3:7
Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

To me, the above and succeeding guidelines in that chapter describe someone as being a good role model worthy of emulating. Taken at face value, it seems simple enough. In reality, it takes a lot of work to reach such lofty heights.

Cheers,
John
 
What someone does in private is their business and between them and God. I know that there probably are a many of a professing Christian in church that are not truly a Christian, again that is their business and between them and God.
If they confess their sin and are unrepentant, that would be the same as a open gay saying that they are Christian, with Christ in them, but are still unrepentant. I can't control or comment on something I know nothing about. If you don't see the difference, I can't help you.

I do see the difference - and this has been my point throughout the entirety of this post. The sin a person does is between that person and God - not between us, that person, and God. I'm just saying rather than condemning and hating - let's try praying straight to Jesus, rather than trying to take something into our own hands, and solve problems that human hands just cannot solve.
 
Don't you agree that God hears all prayer?

John 9:31, “We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly man who does his will.” It has also been said that “the only prayer that God hears from a sinner is the prayer for salvation.”
 
Yes. Exactly my point. God hears ALL prayer of the Godly man who does His will. So. Shouldn't we as Christians pray for the sins of ourselves and for the sins of others (since, our prayers WILL be heard)? Shouldn't we as Christians pray that sinners and non believers find their way to Jesus? Once they find Jesus, Jesus will lead them - not us.

In my mind (and although this is only an opinion) - I am more concerned about praying that non believers find their way to the love of Jesus, rather than condemning their sin. Once the non believer finds his/her way to the Lord, then Jesus will guide them away from sin.

I think that it seems more effective to pray for the non believer to find his/her way TO Jesus, rather than us condemning the sinner on their sin. Once they find Jesus, Jesus will show them the way. Jesus is the only one who knows. Not us.
 
John 9:31, “We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly man who does his will.” It has also been said that “the only prayer that God hears from a sinner is the prayer for salvation.”

Yes. Exactly my point. God hears ALL prayer of the Godly man who does His will. So. Shouldn't we as Christians pray for the sins of ourselves and for the sins of others (since, our prayers WILL be heard)? Shouldn't we as Christians pray that sinners and non believers find their way to Jesus? Once they find Jesus, Jesus will lead them - not us.

In my mind (and although this is only an opinion) - I am more concerned about praying that non believers find their way to the love of Jesus, rather than condemning their sin. Once the non believer finds his/her way to the Lord, then Jesus will guide them away from sin.

I think that it seems more effective to pray for the non believer to find his/her way TO Jesus, rather than us condemning the sinner on their sin. Once they find Jesus, Jesus will show them the way. Jesus is the only one who knows. Not us.
 
Hello Kmp2890.

I've been trying to get a handle on exactly the issue here. You acknowledged that sin regardless of its name is still sin and should not be accepted. Yet on the other hand, it seems that in your mind that each must/should have equal attention given them. If they are not, then none of them should be brought forward. With all this being said you want to know why one is addressed and the other is not?


One battle has been lost though still being mentioned though not as frequently. While the other though heading in the same direction is still being fought in the church as well as in society. You have to separate Society from the Church. One should be following the tenets of the Bible. While the other follows the World.


Until the Lord comes back and establishes His Kingdom here on earth you will have the inequity of what is acceptable and what is not both in and out of the church. Until then. We should as you have mentioned. Love each and every one of them who are sinners, both in and out of the Body of Christ. For we are called to do so. Yet, we are also to not compromise ourselves by accepting behavior that we know is sinful. Regardless of the name.


You have mentioned your church and what has been seen as being acceptable in the youth as doing. Have you, others stood up to be counted and brought forward to the Ministry that what you see is unacceptable? That morality in general needs to be addressed? It wasn't until the law was brought to our attention, that we even knew what sin was. So for the non-believer, the issue is not to stop sinning, but have you heard about the Gospel; do you know Jesus Christ as your Lord & Savior? When they have joined the body, then discipleship begins to grow them in the knowledge of the Lord! The Holy Spirit convicts. They begin to learn His ways, His walk, His Love, His Compassion, His Humility, and all the attributes you can mention. Yet not until they bend knee at the Cross!


For the believer sin is there and must be addressed. Scripture is full both in OT & NT in which it is identified to different churches. We do not let it slide. Yes we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. In spite of these failings, we are still called to testify, be witnesses to the truth! Neither Paul nor any of the Apostles were without sin. Did they stop identifying them to others or identify the need to be repentant?


I know the end is near. Do I help it along or fight for the few precious ones that are left in the time that is left? Yes, we pray, we love, but those are not the only things we are called to do. Why do you feel we must we be limited by the actions we are to take?


How will they know sin unless they are told that sin is and what it is? What are they being saved from? How will they know unless we stand up and tell them? Even in the Churches! Most especially in the Churches! Society will tell them that everything is acceptable. Do we stand, and sacrifice for the truth or do we stay silent and let the few souls fall to another when we could have been the vessel by which the Lord would use to bring them to Him? Neither you nor I know who might be moved by our words. One thing we do know if we do not He will find someone who will! Or if we are meant to be the ones, we meet a very difficult road to travel by resisting the Holy Spirit.


Yet in all of this with Love! Oh, how difficult it is to correct a child we love when they do something wrong!!! Yet, because we do love them, we correct them. Even as we are corrected when we do something wrong. He does love us any less?

Only with love Kmp2890

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Normally I take a long time in prayer before posting. I pray these words are true. In Jesus name amen.
 
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