our current president is stupid!

[SparkleTXn]

YOU act as if he a lone is calling all of the shots. Congress disagrees with EVERYTHING he lays on the table..HMmmmm I wonder why?

And if you dont vote for him...WHO are you going to vote for this time around???? If he is bad they are SURELY worse.

As a vet I'm glad we dont have another Bush. He is responsible for so much innocent blood!!! it could have been ME... I'm thankful.

As for new laws...gay marriage is just that...it will never be a Holy Matrimoney so quit crying about it.

sorry I didnt spell check

 

[Peace Seeker]

Where have I talked down to you? The scripture says that you are to come to me if I have offended you and you have. I need to see what it is that you feel I have done so that I understand if I need to repent.

What I meant was, I felt that you were not lovingly trying to teach me anything, rather you were coming at me like a battering ram and acting superior to me. As if nothing I could say to you is worth saying or being heard by you.

Not to mention, right off the bat your questioning what Jesus I serve (who wouldn't get offended by that?) just because I didn't agree with you on some trivial points. That's not agape love, brother. That's just being contentious.

I'm not saying this because I hold ill will towards you, because I don't. I'm just saying how your statements came across to me.

Regarding your reply : "How do you get that I said the early Christian missionaries are evil"?
Answer : You asked how many true missionaries have been sent and how many false. I used the word evil, which to me isn't different than describing someone as being false. False missionaries can't be good.

Also, I just don't agree with your statement that America as a nation did not distinguish between the good and the evil. America was a church-going, God-fearing nation and that's why she became great. We disagree about that, that's fine.

I don't want to get all tangled up in a big debate with you. It's not a big deal to me that we differ on some things. You have your way at looking at things and I have mine.

 

[gdemoss]

What I meant was, I felt that you were not lovingly trying to teach me anything, rather you were coming at me like a battering ram and acting superior to me. As if nothing I could say to you is worth saying or being heard by you.

I understand.

Not to mention, right off the bat your questioning what Jesus I serve (who wouldn't get offended by that?) just because I didn't agree with you on some trivial points. That's not agape love, brother. That's just being contentious.

I see. You think I was trying to start an argument. I wasn't I was seeking clarity. I our day and age when there are so many different Jesus' out there, I think it is OK to make sure which one a person serves. It is entirely possible that you and I do not serve the same one.

I'm not saying this because I hold ill will towards you, because I don't. I'm just saying how your statements came across to me.

Understood.

Regarding your reply : "How do you get that I said the early Christian missionaries are evil"?
Answer : You asked how many true missionaries have been sent and how many false. I used the word evil, which to me isn't different than describing someone as being false. False missionaries can't be good.

Yes, false missionaries are evil. We have a lot of them here in America today and there were a lot of them allowed to freely preach a false Jesus and a false gospel from the first day this country was founded. BTW Good missionaries are good.

Also, I just don't agree with your statement that America as a nation did not distinguish between the good and the evil. America was a church-going, God-fearing nation and that's why she became great. We disagree about that, that's fine.

Understood. It scares me that you think this was. For your sake.

I don't want to get all tangled up in a big debate with you. It's not a big deal to me that we differ on some things. You have your way at looking at things and I have mine.

We need not go on any further. You see it as debating. This obviously means that I have failed to help you see things from Gods point of view. It is God that hates America and I only follow his lead.

I have no ill will toward you. I hate evil. I understand that you don't believe America started out as an evil nation. America looked like a wonderful country as opposed to England whom they were getting away from. But someone who just tells a little white lie looks like a saint compared to a mass murderer. They both end up in the lake of fire.

Have a great day.

 

[dannibear]

We need not go on any further. You see it as debating. This obviously means that I have failed to help you see things from Gods point of view. It is God that hates America and I only follow his lead.

I have no ill will toward you. I hate evil. I understand that you don't believe America started out as an evil nation. America looked like a wonderful country as opposed to England whom they were getting away from. But someone who just tells a little white lie looks like a saint compared to a mass murderer. They both end up in the lake of fire.

Have a great day.

"For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God"
(Romans 3:23).

What is it with you saying America is evil? The WORLD
is full of evil. It is a very one sided view.
Here are a few things that happened around the world recently:

• Churches were burned in North Nigeria 11/27
• Radical muslim planted a bomb on a plane 11/10
• Research emails were stolen from a British University 11/23
• NATO attack killed dozens of soldiers in Pakistan 11/27
• Canadian city has it's first homicide in 26 months 11/26
• Militants raid Yemen town killing dozens 11/27

No matter where anyone travels, there is evil there.

It is not just one country, the entire world is filled with

evil. I can't say America is perfect, holy, and God centered,
but then again, no countrycan say they are. Lets focus on something
smaller. People. I am not perfect. Neither is anyone on this forum,
this state I live in, or the country across the world. Everyone has

fallen short of glory.

 

[gdemoss]

"For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God"
(Romans 3:23).

What is it with you saying America is evil? The WORLD
is full of evil. It is a very one sided view.
Here are a few things that happened around the world recently:

• Churches were burned in North Nigeria 11/27
• Radical muslim planted a bomb on a plane 11/10
• Research emails were stolen from a British University 11/23
• NATO attack killed dozens of soldiers in Pakistan 11/27
• Canadian city has it's first homicide in 26 months 11/26
• Militants raid Yemen town killing dozens 11/27

No matter where anyone travels, there is evil there.

It is not just one country, the entire world is filled with

evil. I can't say America is perfect, holy, and God centered,
but then again, no countrycan say they are. Lets focus on something
smaller. People. I am not perfect. Neither is anyone on this forum,
this state I live in, or the country across the world. Everyone has

fallen short of glory.

Wow, I couldn't agree with you more. The world is full of evil. You accuse me of being one sided. Nope, I don't know of any government in the world that is good. Or any peoples in any country other than those who actually follow the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ.

For all have sinned and fallen short the glory of God - this verse is speaking in reference to people who do not follow Christ. It isn't until later in the epistle that he begins to speak about life after becoming a follower of Christ. Are you trying to use it to say that you continue to live in sin still? I hope not. The righteousness of God has been manifested being witnessed by the law and the prophets. And God has declared his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past so that he can be just in justifying those that believe in Jesus (Rom 3). Those who follow Jesus were ungodly sinners who had fallen short the glory of God but have now put on the Lord Jesus Christ and walk as he walked and therefore can have boldness in the day of judgement.

As soon as America puts on Christ, they will no longer be evil. But if those who claim to be Christians in America actually put on Christ there will be persecution.

In Love, In Christ

Gary

 

[dannibear]

Are you trying to use it to say that you continue to live in sin still? I hope not.
Gary

Not at all. I believe in salvation through faith in
Jesus Christ. But before stating that any one
country is evil, realize that Jesus came to
die for the sins of the entire world. Although
America has lost it's way, I am blessed to be
able to have a Bible in my home and a church
I can publicly attend without being put to death.

 

[agua]

For all have sinned and fallen short the glory of God - this verse is speaking in reference to people who do not follow Christ. It isn't until later in the epistle that he begins to speak about life after becoming a follower of Christ. Are you trying to use it to say that you continue to live in sin still? I hope not. The righteousness of God has been manifested being witnessed by the law and the prophets. And God has declared his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past so that he can be just in justifying those that believe in Jesus (Rom 3). Those who follow Jesus were ungodly sinners who had fallen short the glory of God but have now put on the Lord Jesus Christ and walk as he walked and therefore can have boldness in the day of judgement.

Gary, have you sinned since accepting Jesus as your Lord and Saviour?

 

[brakelite]

Tell me, do you read the bible and come to the conclusion that God loves America? ......... The freedom of religion as a protected right?

The above remark interested me greatly. The US was established as a new experiment in world politics. Up until the the late 18th century there had never been, anywhere, a republican democracy that had as its prime motive the protection of minorities. Christians came to its shores by the thousands from Europe where they had been systematically persecuted, and killed, for their faith, by both the royal houses and the papal antichrist. The reformation had grown stagnant, each subsequent reformer's followers persecuting the ones that had gone before, the Holy Spirit being frustrated in establishing truth after millennia of truth being trampled underfoot.
God however created a new opportunity, where His children could grow in a state where religion and statecraft were kept utterly separated, leaving Christians to grow without impedance.
In a nation that for the first time recognised freedom of religion as a God-given right. A nation that for the first time recognised freedom of conscience as inalienable. What a precious gift this was for the downtrodden and scarred refugees from Europe.
Your statement above suggests that you disagree that freedom of conscience is a right to be cherished, guarded,protected and fought for. Is that the way I understand you?

I hate America and what it stands for. And the God I worship does too. America is evil and always has been. America has always been about freedom for the people, NOT following the Creator who created them. This is not the goal.

Again, if I am reading you correctly and I do believe I am, it seems that you would have it some other way. Tell me. What is the alternative to freedom? If you would have it that Christianity should be the only religion allowed or permissible, tell me, of the tens of thousands of protestant and independent denominations around,which particular branch of Christianity would you suggest? Or perhaps you would have us back into the dark ages where there was only one shop in town? Or maybe you would like it the Saddleback way where doctrine is ignored and they "unite" on the few bits and pieces they find in common? And what of the Jew, the Moslem, and the unbeliever? Or the Mormon or Jehovah Witness? Tell me Gary please, what alternative would you suggest from this brilliant (at least from my perspective from half way round the world) piece of writing by James Madison Religious Freedom Page: Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments, James Madison (1785)?

I wholeheartedly agree with you that within all governments there is corruption. Lots of it, and God certainly hates that. But he also allows even them the freedom of choice to act according to their own conscience.

I would also strongly recommend you take great caution if you would suggest that freedom is good for yourself because 'you are right' but deny freedom to others because 'they are wrong'. That my friend is the way of the antichrist.Demanding freedom for himself until such time as he has gained power, then using the power to deny freedom to others. That is precisely the way Catholicism has inculcated itself into American politics. The only, and I repeat only way to protect your freedom (be it right or wrong) is to staunchly demand the continuing freedom for all.
The only association the government ought to ever have with religion is in protecting those who espouse it to practice such freely, and those who would shun it, to do so also with that same freedom.

 

[Tribulation]

Obama was not voted into office. He was appointed. So you say.... "what do you mean? I voted for (insert name)"

Your vote DOES NOT matter. SERIOUSLY the Bible states that God establishes ALL government leadership in Romans 13.

Romans 13:1
Everyone must submit to the governing authorities, for there is NO AUTHORITY except that which God has established.

If you don't believe this... then do some research on the Freemasons. Because George Washington was a Freemason, George W Bush is a Freemason, Bill Clinton is a Freemason, And Barack Obama is a Freemason.

Democrats and Republicans are ALL Freemasons.

Obama came out of no where to be appointed our president. He has no valid birth certificate. Nobody has any stories about playing with him as a child. His dad doesn't exist. His mother is nowhere to be found.
No one REALLY knows where he was born.

Your vote doesn't count... And it never did. You will have a harder time dis-proving me than I will have proving my point.

And as long as the American people keep watching the lies on the TV news channels, and stay away from reading their Bibles. The more they are gonna think the leader of their country is stupid.

Stay away from the TV!!!!!!

 

[JRFifty]

reply

The president is not stupid, The American people who voted for him are.
Anyone who votes republican or democrat, are ignorant and uninformed

 

[eddieb]

just wondering has anyone else noticed barak obama is a muslim name. notice the first sentence did not end with a question mark? anyone else see the previous president bush spread a prayer shrowel in the oval office for some muslims to pray? i saw this with my own eyes. it is my belief that obama has come to harm not help. that he is a wolf. and those under him. but what needs be doing needs be done. america is second to none with what the OT refers to as blood cities. do we abort more babies or does china? even still, obama gave china a boat load of money, probably tax dollars, to abort babies. i am not going to say that america is the most wicked nation in the whole earth but it wouldnt surprize me if it was. i fear that God is going to pour out judgement on america. i fear that what we have seen in america as hardships is NOTHING of whats to come. i hope im just parinoid and crazy. either way this nation for the most part has turned from The Almighty. repentance is the only hope for us. but in america pride is thicker than mollasses. pride comes before a fall.
i hope i am wrong. but even if i am not, we should be weeping not for our own hardships and trials alone, but for the wickedness that has not escaped the Lords eyes. for the lost and unrepentative heart. for those who have no knowledge of Him.
God is righteous in all he does. amen.
we need to take a close examination of our own hearts and cast down any unrighteousness. we must be without spot.

 

[Tribulation]

Good post!

I agree with all you have said eddieb.
I have tried to talk to MANY of my friends. They either DON'T believe in God, or Satan. Or believe in some sort of a God, but DO NOT know Him.

They can't quote scripture. They refuse to believe the Bible is actually The WORD of God, and they are more worried about money and safety than anything else.

I'm worried to some degree, like you are.

 

[gdemoss]

The above remark interested me greatly. The US was established as a new experiment in world politics. Up until the the late 18th century there had never been, anywhere, a republican democracy that had as its prime motive the protection of minorities. Christians came to its shores by the thousands from Europe where they had been systematically persecuted, and killed, for their faith, by both the royal houses and the papal antichrist. The reformation had grown stagnant, each subsequent reformer's followers persecuting the ones that had gone before, the Holy Spirit being frustrated in establishing truth after millennia of truth being trampled underfoot.
God however created a new opportunity, where His children could grow in a state where religion and statecraft were kept utterly separated, leaving Christians to grow without impedance.
In a nation that for the first time recognised freedom of religion as a God-given right. A nation that for the first time recognised freedom of conscience as inalienable. What a precious gift this was for the downtrodden and scarred refugees from Europe.
Your statement above suggests that you disagree that freedom of conscience is a right to be cherished, guarded,protected and fought for. Is that the way I understand you?

Hi brakelight! Thanks for the reply. I need to ask. How do you know that the Holy Spirit was frustrated in establishing truth? How do you know that America was God's idea and that his motive was to make a place where Christians could go and grow without impedance? Yes, America recognizes freedom of religion as a God-given right. God, however, doesn't recognize freedom of religion as a right though...he is narrow minded on that subject. His religion or the lake of fire....we get to choose. I and everyone else in the world have freedom of conscience as a God given right. We all have the right to die for what we believe in. With my understanding of the God of the bible, I do not have the right to fight to secure anothers right to worship some other God or God contrary to his wishes. This isn't to say that Christians should rise up and take control and somehow make this country bow to the knee of Jesus Christ by force. To the contrary Christians are supposed to seek to live peacefully within the country that they live in with the exception of reproving the darkness around them. If we are in fact not having fellowship with darkness but rather reproving it then we tend to have difficulty even in a 'free' country.

Again, if I am reading you correctly and I do believe I am, it seems that you would have it some other way. Tell me. What is the alternative to freedom? If you would have it that Christianity should be the only religion allowed or permissible, tell me, of the tens of thousands of protestant and independent denominations around,which particular branch of Christianity would you suggest? Or perhaps you would have us back into the dark ages where there was only one shop in town? Or maybe you would like it the Saddleback way where doctrine is ignored and they "unite" on the few bits and pieces they find in common? And what of the Jew, the Moslem, and the unbeliever? Or the Mormon or Jehovah Witness? Tell me Gary please, what alternative would you suggest from this brilliant (at least from my perspective from half way round the world) piece of writing by James Madison Religious Freedom Page: Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments, James Madison (1785)?

The Christian Kingdom is not of this age, if it were the Kings men would be called to fight, rule and reign. That time is coming but is not yet. This world and all of its ruling parties are of the devil. This includes each of the so called Christians who take office as President or the US Congress. Jesus could not get elected in Jerusalem and he won't get elected in the US either. But I say unto you, I would only wish to be ruled by Jesus himself (which I am) and have him writing the laws to be followed. Unfortunately that isn't going to happen until his return. Until then I will deal with whatever is provided as a government and continue to try an recruit as many into his army as possible because the final war is approaching. If you ask me whether I like living in a nation where I am not persecuted for my faith (by the government), I have to pause and say....my flesh does but my spirit cries out in pain because it understands why.

I wholeheartedly agree with you that within all governments there is corruption. Lots of it, and God certainly hates that. But he also allows even them the freedom of choice to act according to their own conscience.

Yes, my friend, everyone can choose the lake of fire.

I would also strongly recommend you take great caution if you would suggest that freedom is good for yourself because 'you are right' but deny freedom to others because 'they are wrong'. That my friend is the way of the antichrist.Demanding freedom for himself until such time as he has gained power, then using the power to deny freedom to others. That is precisely the way Catholicism has inculcated itself into American politics. The only, and I repeat only way to protect your freedom (be it right or wrong) is to staunchly demand the continuing freedom for all.
The only association the government ought to ever have with religion is in protecting those who espouse it to practice such freely, and those who would shun it, to do so also with that same freedom.

What did God think of Israel when they allowed worship of foreign gods? What caused Israel to be taken into captivity? Were they not yet moving toward the idea of freedom of religion? Are we not told that these things were written for our learning? Is freedom really Gods choice for governing? Does he just want everyone to live freely? And everyone did what was right in his own eyes...a verse found in many places in the OT that pointed to the downfall of Israel. Why do we need government? Is it not because of those who have rejected Jesus as King? If everyone walked as he walked there would be no need for law or governing bodies. Most people have rejected God as their ruler and the bible as their law. I'd rather obey God than serve my own belly. I cannot protect another persons right to worship a false God or God falsely. It is sin. Those who continue in sin go to the lake of fire. I instead choose to reprove the works of darkness. Even if it costs me my freedom or my life. Fear him who can kill the soul.

May God bless you in all spiritual wisdom

Gary

 

[Stickz]

Acts 23:1 And Paul, earnestly beholding the council, said, Men and brethren, I have lived in all good conscience before God until this day.

Acts 23:2 And the high priest Ananias commanded them that stood by him to smite him on the mouth.

Acts 23:3 Then said Paul unto him, God shall smite thee, thou whited wall: for sittest thou to judge me after the law, and commandest me to be smitten contrary to the law?

Acts 23:4 And they that stood by said, Revilest thou God's high priest?

Acts 23:5 Then said Paul, I wist not, brethren, that he was the high priest: for it is written, THOU SHALT NOT SPEAK EVIL OF THE RULER OF THY PEOPLE.

 

[jiggyfly]

We need not go on any further. You see it as debating. This obviously means that I have failed to help you see things from Gods point of view. It is God that hates America and I only follow his lead.

I have no ill will toward you. I hate evil. I understand that you don't believe America started out as an evil nation. America looked like a wonderful country as opposed to England whom they were getting away from. But someone who just tells a little white lie looks like a saint compared to a mass murderer. They both end up in the lake of fire.

Have a great day.

Not sure why you think God hates America when Jesus said that God so loved the world but tis simply just your opinion of what you think God hates and it doesn't line up with the scriptures.

God loves even His enemies according to His Son Jesus.

 

[gdemoss]

Not sure why you think God hates America when Jesus said that God so loved the world but tis simply just your opinion of what you think God hates and it doesn't line up with the scriptures.

God loves even His enemies according to His Son Jesus.

God so loved the world...Do you really not understand what this verse is saying? To try to use it to say that I am mistaken and God loves America? God loves people (the world) and hates America (the product of people). America is not the people who live in her but the works of their hands. God loves people but hates their sinful ways. He has made a way for them to be reconciled with him but it involves turning away from their sin.

God loves even his enemies: He loves them so much that he sends them rain even though they sit in church buildings claiming to love him while denying him in there works. It will break his heart to have to say to them 'depart from me you worker of iniquity I never knew you'.

Polls suggest that 76% of Americans or those who produce that which America is call themselves Christians. And laws here say you can do what? America is what it is today because wicked unrepentant people have made her that way.

What scares me most is that you believe that what you call 'my opinion of what God hates' doesn't match up with scriptures.

I pray that God will reveal himself to you

Gary

 

[Kit Carson]

God always looks forward and knows. He has told us all these things we see in the world will be.

I look at it all and wonder where did honesty, common sense, honor and compassion, and truth go to? I see our leaders constantly thinking of war and conflict instead of trying to get along and do something constructive instead of constantly destroying our entire world. I see war and conflict and famine and many things.

So I hope God has a sense of humor and does not beat me up to bad as I look at all of them, the president, the entire congress and the whole new crop of liars wishing to be president kinda like Psalms 109 : 8.. Let all their days be few and please let some honest people take office.

Hallowed be your name God, for you are the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last. All Glory and honor to you. My soul cries to you to hammer them all. I know you tell me to pray for them, and I accept your will to do so, but please let me say......I do not like it much. Lol! I will behave tomorrow, please do not be to upset with me but I just find it so hard to pray for those who have shown it is useless. I pray the whole can of worms is overnight transported to Siberia ....Please allow me to do your will but protest the way of the world. The crime, the politics, the lack of honesty, please allow me to say, I do not like that a whole lot.

May your will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. I do not understand the why, but I do accept your will.

Kit

 

[gdemoss]

I do not understand the why, but I do accept your will.

Kit

Kit, at first read I missed the word 'the' in there and read it as "I do not understand why, but I do accept your will" as in I don't know why I do but I do.

thought I'd share, hope it is as humorous for you as it was to me (the realizing of my error).

Gary

 

[Kit Carson]

Kit, at first read I missed the word 'the' in there and read it as "I do not understand why, but I do accept your will" as in I don't know why I do but I do.

thought I'd share, hope it is as humorous for you as it was to me (the realizing of my error).

Gary

A laugh is good for the soul.

We can talk to God just like a friend , just like a person. This is what he wishes. With respect we can tell him anything, from love to frustration. Many of the Psalms are people just like us crying to God.

In each of us he puts the truth of life in our hearts, when we seek it we find many things.

So we can hope, and we can pray for our world to change. It will change , maybe not how we wish it to, but God knows the end result. So I simply trust that it has to be as it is. That was my turning point in faith. I do just trust.

Through the years I have went this way and that way and read this and that, get all involved in figuring it out and always without fail the truth surfaces and God says......see you Dummy.

We do not like evil and bad, we become as the mind of God. Some, a little, but it all has a purpose, even though we do not understand most of it.

Kit

 

[jiggyfly]

God so loved the world...Do you really not understand what this verse is saying? To try to use it to say that I am mistaken and God loves America? God loves people (the world) and hates America (the product of people). America is not the people who live in her but the works of their hands. God loves people but hates their sinful ways. He has made a way for them to be reconciled with him but it involves turning away from their sin.

God loves even his enemies: He loves them so much that he sends them rain even though they sit in church buildings claiming to love him while denying him in there works. It will break his heart to have to say to them 'depart from me you worker of iniquity I never knew you'.

Polls suggest that 76% of Americans or those who produce that which America is call themselves Christians. And laws here say you can do what? America is what it is today because wicked unrepentant people have made her that way.

What scares me most is that you believe that what you call 'my opinion of what God hates' doesn't match up with scriptures.

I pray that God will reveal himself to you

Gary

I find your post here very contradictory and still say your opinion does not match up with the scriptures that testify of God's character.
America is made up of Americans and foreigners some legal some not, why you think it is not people I haven't a clue.