Picture of Aborted Fetus (Warning: Graphic)

[Dreamer]

That is so awful and unspeakably sad. How can we be doing this is in this nation?

 

[PrayerWarr1or]

So if you wife is at risk of dying from the pregnancy and needs to get an abortion, you would let her die?

You throw such a situation out there as if a human being is supposed to answer that with the snap of a finger. Again, in that situation I would defer to God and seek his guidance through such an unimaginably horrible dilemma.

 

[CuddleBunny282]

And this is why I hardly come here anymore.... -.- I did not see that before. I didn't ignore them, I just did not see them. I don't call abortion murder, because a woman should have the right whether she wants to have the child or not. No matter what you say about it I will support it. You know prayers, having faith, do not always work I'm sorry but if its too risky for the woman to give birth than she should have an abortion. No I don't think we should kill them at all, but what if you know the child is going to suffer in life because of all of this? Sometimes its for the best. If I knew my child was going to have severe medical problems, then I would rather not let them suffer. Only if I knew that medicine would really help it much. Ok, but the woman is going to be going through trauma, emotional issues, etc. There are woman who are afraid to admit they were raped too you know. But yeah, after a traumitizing experience like that, they're not going to want to take care of a baby and they'll be trying to get help for themselves. I'm not going to bother with this topic anymore. But yeah, I still need to learn more about Wicca but I pretty much know the basics. I have some books about it too. I'm still trying to learn more about it. I haven't really praticed it yet because i don't know anyone who is into and would love to meet people who are. I don't know much about its roots but I believe that they started in the medieval times, like 16th and 17th century, in europe. i don't know, theres debate over this. i just don't believe that all the people who were accused of being witches back than actually were, maybe some but not all. Anyways, I'm not going to say I know everything about Wicca and that I'm an expert on it, because I'm not. I still have more to learn about it.

 

[PrayerWarr1or]

You know prayers, having faith, do not always work

The standpoint of most non believers, in this case a wiccan. That's fine since God gives everyone the right to choose their path. This forum is open to absolutely everyone but I have to wonder in some cases why open non believers join up and act annoyed when us Christians tell you that you're going down the wrong path. believe me when I say nothing compares to God's love and if you have ever felt it you would turn to that live in any situation including these tough ones.

You have a right to also stand by abortion. Medical science in my opinion is good only when it's purpose is to save lives and prolong them. And yes in some situations where the mother is in danger of losing her life I can see a sad situation possibly being justified only then. But in every other circumstance abortion does nothing but snuff life out. Do you see any creature in nature decide they don't want to have babies and then induce an abortion on their own or with help from an animal doctor who has its own abortion practice?

God created us all as intelligent beings, and really all intelligence does for us in situations like these is to worry about tomorrow and all of the pointless what ifs. Love is snuffed out here along with the life that could have been. The way I see it God has those aborted innocent children up in heaven carefree with the Father while He weeps over them and mourns for what was taken from them.

:baffle:

 

[Ophel]

a woman should have the right whether she wants to have the child or not.

A woman already has that right, but she should not have any right to end the life that has already begun! Her rights ended the moment conception took place as the result of the act of sexual intercourse---the child in her uterus has his own set of rights!

As for Wicca---it is a Satanic religion, and it is disguised to look inviting to those who are searching for that "something', and want to embrace nature, but it is a step into the realm of witchcraft. It has nothing to offer anyone but more and more confusion and doubt, and most of all----hunger for truth, which is only found in the Person of Jesus Christ.

 

[Chad]

Amen @Ophel and @PrayerWarr1or

Agree with you both.

@CuddleBunny282, welcome again to a Christian forum. I'm not sure how you even think you'll persuade anyone to believe your statement that prayer does not always work. How would you know? You're a Wiccan.

 

[Chad]

I sincerely advise you to learn about Jesus @CuddleBunny282, because Wicca will never satisfy your emptiness nor anything but Jesus.

Check out this awesome video of a recent Hillsong conference I attended in NYC. The worship of the people is phenomenal. There's a reason for that. It's Jesus.

"With Everything" Performed at Hillsong NYC Conference 2013 on Vimeo

Check out the Seeking Jesus forum too.

I'm telling you the truth, Jesus loves you so much. No religion or belief in the world has a savior, none has any miracles to testify about. Only Jesus.

 

[CuddleBunny282]

Listen, I've read about people who only get prayers and have faith, and someone in their family was suffering and doing good, like being really sick, and they didn't seek medical attention and their family member ended up dying. Not all people who are Christians won't take their family member to the hospital, because they will but will also pray for them too. Are you assuming I have emptiness Chad?? Well, you're wrong. Just because I am into Wicca or whatever religion I'm into besides Christianity, it does not mean I feel empty inside. I find it very insulting and rude that you think that. I don't think you're trying to be, but please, PLEASE, do not tell me what religion I need, and don't assume stuff that you do not know.

 

[CuddleBunny282]

I feel no need to discuss the topic with you on abortion anymore, thanks. As for you saying that Wicca is a Satanic religion....It is far from that. It has something to offer to me. Jeez, I think each religion has something to offer to me. You see, I don't stick to one religion, I like to believe some things in other religions. But yeah, don't you dare try to tell that Jesus is the only way because I know that it isn't. If you do reply back to me, don't try to start the conversation with abortion because I am done. Apparently I am wrong! ._. And please do not even try to tell me that Jesus is the only way or even say that Wicca is Satanic.

 

[CuddleBunny282]

"The standpoint of most non believers, in this case a wiccan. That's fine since God gives everyone the right to choose their path. This forum is open to absolutely everyone but I have to wonder in some cases why open non believers join up and act annoyed when us Christians tell you that you're going down the wrong path. believe me when I say nothing compares to God's love and if you have ever felt it you would turn to that live in any situation including these tough ones.

You have a right to also stand by abortion. Medical science in my opinion is good only when it's purpose is to save lives and prolong them. And yes in some situations where the mother is in danger of losing her life I can see a sad situation possibly being justified only then. But in every other circumstance abortion does nothing but snuff life out. Do you see any creature in nature decide they don't want to have babies and then induce an abortion on their own or with help from an animal doctor who has its own abortion practice?

God created us all as intelligent beings, and really all intelligence does for us in situations like these is to worry about tomorrow and all of the pointless what ifs. Love is snuffed out here along with the life that could have been. The way I see it God has those aborted innocent children up in heaven carefree with the Father while He weeps over them and mourns for what was taken from them. "


I wanted to be friends with some Christian people on here. But it would be nice if they could at least not tell me that what I do is affecting me in a bad way, like being into Wicca. Yeah. But you see, they are not like us, like those other animals don't have technology and what not like us humans do, so they can't get abortions. I don't know if they would or not if they were more like us human beings. But there some species of animals that do this.Just look up is abortion natural on google search, and a result from wordpress will be there and it'll tell you more about it.


But yeah, they do it for different reasons, not the same reasons as female human.

 

[Chad]

I feel no need to discuss the topic with you on abortion anymore, thanks. As for you saying that Wicca is a Satanic religion....It is far from that. It has something to offer to me. Jeez, I think each religion has something to offer to me. You see, I don't stick to one religion, I like to believe some things in other religions. But yeah, don't you dare try to tell that Jesus is the only way because I know that it isn't. If you do reply back to me, don't try to start the conversation with abortion because I am done. Apparently I am wrong! ._. And please do not even try to tell me that Jesus is the only way or even say that Wicca is Satanic.

Why did you come to this site?

 

[CuddleBunny282]

Read what I said before. I said I came on here to make friends with people who are Christians. Chad, if thats the only thing you're going to say to me, then please do not bother responding to me at all.

 

[Chad]

Read what I said before. I said I came on here to make friends with people who are Christians. Chad, if thats the only thing you're going to say to me, then please do not bother responding to me at all.

I ask because you came opposing so much of the bible. Are you sure you came to make friends? Everything everyone here has said to you you've rejected and only aired your own opinion.

 

[Ophel]

Listen, I've read about people who only get prayers and have faith, and someone in their family was suffering and doing good, like being really sick, and they didn't seek medical attention and their family member ended up dying. Not all people who are Christians won't take their family member to the hospital, because they will but will also pray for them too. Are you assuming I have emptiness Chad?? Well, you're wrong. Just because I am into Wicca or whatever religion I'm into besides Christianity, it does not mean I feel empty inside. I find it very insulting and rude that you think that. I don't think you're trying to be, but please, PLEASE, do not tell me what religion I need, and don't assume stuff that you do not know.

Christianity stands alone! Christianity plus something else reveals a deficit in one's understanding of just who Jesus Christ is and what He has done for us. Wicca is a backward step away from God into the Satanic realm. The Lord says we cannot serve two masters.

Matthew 6:24a (GW)
"No one can serve two masters. He will hate the first master and love the second, or he will be devoted to the first and despise the second..."


Jesus is the ONLY Way.

John 14:6 (GW)
Jesus answered him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one goes to the Father except through me.

 

[Ophel]

But you see, they are not like us, like those other animals don't have technology and what not like us humans do, so they can't get abortions. I don't know if they would or not if they were more like us human beings. But there some species of animals that do this.Just look up is abortion natural on google search, and a result from wordpress will be there and it'll tell you more about it.

So, are you saying that because we are a higher being than any in the animal kingdom, we are more advanced in killing our unwanted unborn? Come on, now! How is that a behaviour of a higher being? It's stupid. This practice of killing the unborn and even euthanizing people as they are doing now for silly reasons such as being in psychological misery---eschewing real help and real answers, is proof that mankind is far from intelligent---at least the intelligent, higher-thinking being that was first created by God. In fact, because of sin, we are basically depraved and can only devise evil, because we are sinful people outside of Jesus Christ. That is why this world is heading headlong into a giant meltdown in all areas of life: family, personal life, financial---on national and international levels.

But yeah, they do it for different reasons, not the same reasons as female human.

I have to shake my head at that one.

1 Samuel 2:2-3;6 (NLT)
2No one is holy like the Lord!
There is no one besides you;
there is no Rock like our God.
3“Stop acting so proud and haughty!
Don’t speak with such arrogance!
For the Lord is a God who knows what you have done;
he will judge your actions.

6The Lord gives both death and life;
he brings some down to the grave but raises others up.

 

[CuddleBunny282]

"I ask because you came opposing so much of the bible. Are you sure you came to make friends? Everything everyone here has said to you you've rejected and only aired your own opinion."

Ok, I may oppose so much of it but that doesn't mean I oppose everything in it. Yes I am sure. But I would also like to say that I came here to learn more about Christianity, not actually become a Christian Chad. I don't live or not support things like gay marriage or abortion. You guys kept telling me that its affecting me in a bad way, but it isn't. I stated why I reject it, but to air my opinion, I just like to put my opinion out there about things and I like to state actual facts.

 

[Chad]

Ok, I may oppose so much of it but that doesn't mean I oppose everything in it. Yes I am sure. But I would also like to say that I came here to learn more about Christianity, not actually become a Christian Chad. I don't live or not support things like gay marriage or abortion. You guys kept telling me that its affecting me in a bad way, but it isn't. I stated why I reject it, but to air my opinion, I just like to put my opinion out there about things and I like to state actual facts.

What do you mean actual facts? What moral grounds make your statement facts? Where do you get the answers to judge what is right or wrong?

It's clear you haven't come here to do anything but argue. Everyone sees that. You're not going to make friends by coming to a Christian forum to tell everyone what they believe is wrong.

 

[CuddleBunny282]

Ophel, I really take a offense to that you would call it Satanic when it is not. I am not here to become a Christian. Did you not read what I said? Do not, I repeat do not tell me what religion I need to be a good person.

Umm....no. I'm not saying that we are a higher being. Other animals are more wild, besides pets, we have just evolved to where we are bit more intelligent. Now I don't feel the need to discuss about abortion with you anymore. I don't think people who have abortions enjoy doing it. I don't consider us human beings evil or truly good. We are both good and bad. Why would you shake your head at it??? The animals who do it do it for other reasons, like if theres a new dominant male a female will get rid of the unborn baby. Someone in the comment section said that they seen a zebra being chased by a lion and the zebra released the fetus allowing it to escape. But yeah, I read through the comments and one person said that abortion is acting on the human instinct as natural mothering instincts. But yeah, i don't feel the need to argue with you guys anymore about. Like last time about tattoos or gay marriage, i just felt that the conversation was getting nowhere, and i sometimes feel that what i say doesn't make sense.

 

[CuddleBunny282]

"What do you mean actual facts? What moral grounds make your statement facts? Where do you get the answers to judge what is right or wrong?

It's clear you haven't come here to do anything but argue. Everyone sees that. You're not going to make friends by coming to a Christian forum to tell everyone what they believe is wrong."

Chad I don't want to argue okay. I don't believe everything that you guys believe is wrong. I just disagree with things like about gay marriage or abortion. Not all of what i say is because of morals. I learned what is right and wrong Chad. You guys seem to put my opinion down just because your religion doesn't allow it. Jeez, not all of these are even opinions. Now I don't want to argue anymore about this. I'm sick right now and I need to get better.

 

[Ophel]

Ophel, I really take a offense to that you would call it Satanic when it is not. I am not here to become a Christian. Did you not read what I said? Do not, I repeat do not tell me what religion I need to be a good person.

Umm....no. I'm not saying that we are a higher being. Other animals are more wild, besides pets, we have just evolved to where we are bit more intelligent. Now I don't feel the need to discuss about abortion with you anymore. I don't think people who have abortions enjoy doing it. I don't consider us human beings evil or truly good. We are both good and bad. Why would you shake your head at it??? The animals who do it do it for other reasons, like if theres a new dominant male a female will get rid of the unborn baby. Someone in the comment section said that they seen a zebra being chased by a lion and the zebra released the fetus allowing it to escape. But yeah, I read through the comments and one person said that abortion is acting on the human instinct as natural mothering instincts. But yeah, i don't feel the need to argue with you guys anymore about. Like last time about tattoos or gay marriage, i just felt that the conversation was getting nowhere, and i sometimes feel that what i say doesn't make sense.

Wicca is a Satanic religion! It is simply another form of paganism and includes witchcraft.

We are not evolved. We are different and a higher creation than animals because we alone are spiritual creatures. Why would it be OK to abort one's child, shutting off the life of another that came to exist because of one's behaviour? Of course it is a painful thing to do! (Some more depraved people consider it a mere birth control measure, however.) So, why would that be a good thing to do? Why? Just knowing how terrible a woman feels to do such a thing, and knowing the life of regret a woman is plagued with, is enough for anyone with that intelligence you so highly esteem to know that something is mighty wrong here! It is WRONG. It is murder! Everyone's conscience, if it is not completely seared, knows this.

If it is true that animals in the wild cut off their unborn, you can be assured it is the behaviour of a lower form of life! No intelligence required! About the Zebra---that is ridiculous. Extreme emotional distress can cause spontaneous abortion---MISCARRIAGE! There is no such thing as a conscious "release" of a fetus!

As for being a good person, no one is good, but God. We do not need any religion to become good. What we need is to be cleansed of all our sin---salvation---and that can only be gained by being forgiven by God. That forgiveness and that new life He offers us is only found in repentance and following the man, Jesus Christ, and living our lives according to how He shows us.