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Praying for the Dead?

Dear Brothers & Sisters in Christ Jesus,
Does anyone thing it has benefit to pray for the dead?


With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Nope - the dead are GONE to whichever eternity their spiritual choices during their life have dictated, so they're utterly beyond reach.

Maybe some people who are still alive can make themselves "Feel better" by visiting graves, and doing their little ceremonies, but that's the extent of it.

There's a little grave up in St.Marys, Ohio, where we buried Angeline 52 years ago - our firstborn Daughter, who came to early and couldn't make it. But there's actually nothing there besides a little Styrofoam box (that they bury infants in), and a headstone with a copper plaque my Father made, identifying the remains in it. And when we get to the other side, then we'll meet her as she is -
 
Dear Brothers & Sisters in Christ Jesus,
Does anyone thing it has benefit to pray for the dead?


With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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<><
When we cross That Creek, Game over, like

"B-A-C" said. "Game Over, No prayers can help you, when you get over there. You got to "Git-R-Done" Here!:eyes:

The Rich man did not tell Father Abraham to send somebody back and tell them to Pray for him. He said go tell My brothers, don't come here.

New King James Version
for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’
New American Standard Bible
for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not come to this place of torment as well.’

Some People think, they are going to defend themselves when they get there. And I bet, they are going to try. "I am sorry, please forgive me, I repent, everybody is going to try, get out of that Place. I don't blame them.:( Hey, you can't lie, but i bet they will try. I believe That place will Make YOU LIE TO "GOD" TO get Out of there.:eyes: What you got to lose? You got to go for The GOLD! You will tell a GOOD LIE, to get out of there, A Nobel Peace, Academy OSCAR Lie, to get out of there" Adam said: "It was That WOMAN YOU :eyes: GAVE ME!~!!!! THAT IS WHY YOU LET GOD PICK HER,:sob:

…"See to it that no one is sexually immoral, or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his birthright. For you know that afterward,when he wanted to inherit the blessing, he was rejected. He could find no ground for repentance, though he sought the blessing with tears".
 
  • That's what the Catholics do. No biblical support for it.
  • There is no Limbo. They believe that too. "Pay us more MONEY and we can get Grandma out of Limbo (or Hell) faster! You wouldn't want your "poor" grandma to suffer. More money!!"
  • There is no post-death repentance. Get right or get gone b/c once you're dead, your ticket is punched.
 
Greetings Brother @Christ4Ever ,

valid question.
There is a verse that mentions such but usually close to nobody has any idea what to do with it and make up a scenario to fit the vacuum in their understanding, or else copy+paste, either on technology or verbally.

My thoughts are taken to the fact that we should pray for the dead.

any idea why?

Much love to you and yours Brother


Bless you ....><>

ps.. others may answer if they would like, but please... prayerfully
 
Greetings Brother @Christ4Ever ,

valid question.
There is a verse that mentions such but usually close to nobody has any idea what to do with it and make up a scenario to fit the vacuum in their understanding, or else copy+paste, either on technology or verbally.

My thoughts are taken to the fact that we should pray for the dead.

any idea why?

Much love to you and yours Brother


Bless you ....><>

ps.. others may answer if they would like, but please... prayerfully
I've read no such verse nor has any pastor taught we should "pray for the dead".
Why?
There's no post death repentance so their status isn't going to change. I know this is a "hot" topic but sadly many believe the suicides can go to heaven.
 
There's no post death repentance
Iirc this is actually plainly explained in Clements book.

Ch 8 --THE NECESSITY OF REPENTANCE WHILE WE ARE ON EARTH.
As long, therefore, as we are upon earth, let us practise repentance, for we are as clay in the
hand of the artificer. For as the potter, if he make a vessel, and it be distorted or broken in his
hands, fashions it over again; but if he have before this cast it into the furnace of fire, can no
longer find any help for it: so let us also, while we are in this world, repent with our whole heart
of the evil deeds we have done in the flesh, that we may be saved by the Lord, while we have
yet an opportunity of repentance. For after we have gone out of the world, no further power of
confessing or repenting will there belong to us. Wherefore, brethren, by doing the will of the
Father, and keeping the flesh holy, and observing the commandments of the Lord, we shall
obtain eternal life. For the Lord saith in the Gospel, "If ye have not kept that which was small,
who will commit to you the great? For I say unto you, that he that is faithful in that which is
least, is faithful also in much." This, then, is what He means: "Keep the flesh holy and the seal
undefiled, that ye may receive eternal life.”
Ch 9 --WE SHALL RE JUDGED IN THE FLESH.
And let no one of you say that this very flesh shall not be judged, nor rise again. Consider ye in
what [state] ye were saved, in what ye received sight, if not while ye were in this flesh. We must
therefore preserve the flesh as the temple of God. For as ye were called in the flesh, ye shall
also come [to be judged] in the flesh. As Christ the Lord who saved us, though He was first a
Spirit became flesh, and thus called us, so shall we also receive the reward in this flesh. Let us
therefore love one another, that we may all attain to the kingdom of God. While we have an
opportunity of being healed, let us yield ourselves to God that healeth us, and give to Him a
recompense. Of what sort? Repentance out of a sincere heart; for He knows all things
beforehand, and is acquainted with what is in our hearts. Let us therefore give Him praise, not
with the mouth only, but also with the heart, that tie may accept us as sons. For the Lord has
said, "Those are my brethren who do the will of my Father.”
Ch 10 --VICE IS TO BE FORSAKEN, AND VIRTUE FOLLOWED.
Wherefore, my brethren, let us do the will of the Father who called us, that we may live; and let
us earnestly follow after virtue, but forsake every wicked tendency which would lead us into
transgression; and flee from ungodliness, lest evils overtake us. For if we are diligent in doing
good, peace will follow us. On this account, such men cannot find it [i.e. peace] as are
influenced by human terrors, and prefer rather present enjoyment to the promise which shall
afterwards be fulfilled. For they know not what torment present enjoyment recurs, or what
felicity is involved in the future promise. And if, indeed, they themselves only aid such things, it
would be [the more] tolerable; but now they persist in imbuing innocent souls with their
pernicious doctrines, not knowing that they shall receive a double condemnation, both they
and those that hear them.
Ch 11 --WE OUGHT TO SERVE GOD, TRUSTING IN HIS PROMISES.
Let us therefore serve God with a pure heart, and we shall be righteous; but if we do not serve
Him, because we believe not the promise of God, we shall be miserable. For the prophetic
word also declares, "Wretched are those of a double mind, and who doubt in their heart, who
say, All these things have we heard even in the times of our fathers; but though we have waited
day by day, we have seen none of them [accomplished]. Ye fools! compare yourselves to a
tree; take, for instance, the vine. First of all it sheds its leaves, then the bud appears; after that
the sour grape, and then the fully-ripened fruit. So, likewise, my people have borne
disturbances and afflictions, but afterwards shall they receive their good things." Wherefore
 
I suspect you mean 1Cor 15:29; but that doesn't mention prayer or praying.

Which is another another controversial subject/verse.
1 Cor 15 deals with The Resurrection of Jesus and our resurrection.
15:29
a. Otherwise, what will they do who are baptized for the dead, if the dead do not rise at all? What was being baptized for the dead? It is a mysterious passage, and there have been more than thirty different attempts to interpret it.

i. The plain meaning of the original language is that some people are being baptized on behalf of those who have died. Paul’s point is “If there is no resurrection, why are they doing this? What is the point if there is no life after death?”

ii. Significantly, Paul did not say, “we baptize for the dead,” but asked, “what will they do who are baptized for the dead,” and “why then are they baptized for the dead?” Therefore, Paul refers to a pagan custom of vicarious baptism for the dead. “Paul simply mentions the superstitious custom without approving it and uses it to fortify his argument that there is a resurrection from the dead.” (Mare)

iii. Paul certainly does not approve of the practice; he merely says that if there were no resurrection, why would the custom exist? The Mormon practice of baptism for the dead – erroneously based on this passage – is neither Scriptural nor sensible.

iv. Paul’s point is plain: “The pagans even believe in the resurrection because they baptize for the dead. The pagans have the sense to believe in resurrection, but some of you Corinthian Christians do not!”

There is no post-death repentance. If there were, what would be the point of trying to stop sinning if we can simply do it after we die? That makes no sense.
 
Many confuse this topic with the Baptism for the Dead. Yet, in a certain way they do overlap.
Praying, in many cases for the dead, is an extension derived from mourning, grief and the loss of a loved one. The Hope we have in Jesus, naturally extends through our very spirit that can and does receive comfort from a loss that lacks the words to express the pain we are going through.
Is this praying beneficial to those who are dead, or more for those who are still alive and live with the burden of "what ifs"?
If you have read my words then you can see this is not as if I'm saying this is doctrinal which for Catholicism are the ties that bind, and I'm sure other religions as well, but rather an expression/extension of the desire that those we have been separated from are taken care of by our God. Regardless of the circumstances surrounding their passing.

Is it as Brother @MedicBravo has stated that "sadly many believe the suicides can go to heaven" or is this also between our Judge and each person or written in stone?
However, that is not the subject of this thread, though it can as almost any subject brought up here and elsewhere can overlap, since it all comes together in Him.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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<><
 
Many confuse this topic with the Baptism for the Dead. Yet, in a certain way they do overlap.
Praying, in many cases for the dead, is an extension derived from mourning, grief and the loss of a loved one. The Hope we have in Jesus, naturally extends through our very spirit that can and does receive comfort from a loss that lacks the words to express the pain we are going through.
Is this praying beneficial to those who are dead, or more for those who are still alive and live with the burden of "what ifs"?
If you have read my words then you can see this is not as if I'm saying this is doctrinal which for Catholicism are the ties that bind, and I'm sure other religions as well, but rather an expression/extension of the desire that those we have been separated from are taken care of by our God. Regardless of the circumstances surrounding their passing.

Is it as Brother @MedicBravo has stated that "sadly many believe the suicides can go to heaven" or is this also between our Judge and each person or written in stone?
However, that is not the subject of this thread, though it can as almost any subject brought up here and elsewhere can overlap, since it all comes together in Him.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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<><
  • Ok. People grieve in their own way. It's a normal part of Loss and Grief. I lost my maternal grandpa when I was a teen and his wife/my grandma while I was in CA doing military training after a deployment. They did not let me fly home for it. I did not pray to either of them.
    "All prayers are to be God alone OR to Jesus for God." As God/Jesus is our Father and IMO, Best Friend I'm sure he wouldn't turn a deaf ear to us in this. No one knows their status after death.
  • Asking anyone for help in Loss and Grief is normal. Not asking is problematic. Praying to is one thing. Praying for help for the Loss and Grief is different.
  • I'm not quoting you. I'm simply clarifying.
  • No one has provided scripture for support of "post-death repentance" and Limbo. God does not hide info from us. Again, deceit is the say of Satan.
  • People can "believe" all they want but without scripture to back it, then that belief is false. Easy.
 
  • Ok. People grieve in their own way. It's a normal part of Loss and Grief. I lost my maternal grandpa when I was a teen and his wife/my grandma while I was in CA doing military training after a deployment. They did not let me fly home for it. I did not pray to either of them.
    "All prayers are to be God alone OR to Jesus for God." As God/Jesus is our Father and IMO, Best Friend I'm sure he wouldn't turn a deaf ear to us in this. No one knows their status after death.
  • Asking anyone for help in Loss and Grief is normal. Not asking is problematic. Praying to is one thing. Praying for help for the Loss and Grief is different.
  • I'm not quoting you. I'm simply clarifying.
  • No one has provided scripture for support of "post-death repentance" and Limbo. God does not hide info from us. Again, deceit is the say of Satan.
  • People can "believe" all they want but without scripture to back it, then that belief is false. Easy.
Except for those in the article on the subject, I don't think anyone here is promoting praying to anyone but God.
What motivates a person to "pray" is multi-faceted. It can come from those things I mentioned, i.e., mourning, grief, but can also be for other reasons as well, and not all of them put man in the best of light.
Now as far as "post-death repentance" I agree. Can one stand in the gap for one already passed? I don't believe so. Still "pre-death repentance" speaks for itself. For we are saved by grace, and not works.

As far as your last bullet. It has always been the case for those wanting their way, and not His.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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<><
 
Except for those in the article on the subject, I don't think anyone here is promoting praying to anyone but God.
What motivates a person to "pray" is multi-faceted. It can come from those things I mentioned, i.e., mourning, grief, but can also be for other reasons as well, and not all of them put man in the best of light.
Now as far as "post-death repentance" I agree. Can one stand in the gap for one already passed? I don't believe so. Still "pre-death repentance" speaks for itself. For we are saved by grace, and not works.

As far as your last bullet. It has always been the case for those wanting their way, and not His.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Most of the time, Loss and Grief regardless of cause can be so great a person has an emotional break. I've had three and they are horrible.
IMO, prayer is what is called when we talk to God regardless of the reason.
This might "hurt" some but there's no indication of anyone's status post death. Most people "assume" their loved on is in Heaven be them a stand-fast Christian or a weak, lukewarm one. They never think that the inference is their "loved one" didn't leave such a Christian life and will be "down there screaming up at us".
This might be a bit off topic but Dante's Inferno is based off of the Bible. It's depiction of Hell via The Inferno shows that Suicides are in a deep level of Hell. Was Alleghri inspired in some way? I believe he was. I'm not going to gamble my soul or anyone else's on the chance of suicide being "ok".
There is no way a person can pray "God forgive me. I'm going to kill myself." makes any logical or common sense. That is a very dangerous area suggesting that. The rest of us struggle as well and the thought of it never enters our mind.
 
I suspect you mean 1Cor 15:29; but that doesn't mention prayer or praying.

Which is another another controversial subject/verse.

Thank you Brother @B-A-C , may I call you Iron?

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I think I hid it too deep so I will try again....

Are we to pray at all either for the unconverted, the non-believing, the lost or that we might be of service to them with God's power and boldness? [which is a bit non direct form of praying for them.]

I recall a verse [or two] about our condition before we believed.

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I realise that might not be in line with the OP but thought it worth adding to the thought of the OP @Christ4Ever

if this goes over your head, let me know and i shall cut to the chase but I wanted some searching as it is by searching that we find.

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has anyone ever considered if Jesus simple stops intercession for us when our body packs it in? I find it hard to imagine He says to Himself, "oh well, that's the end of them, next..." Do you think He continues to intercede for anyone and if so, what is the purpose of His intercession?

Is there something stronger than death?

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In the meantime, while it is still today, while there is still time, let us press on and do whatever we are led to do by the Lord, to bring the gospel to those who He knows need it. A word in season, fitly spoken.... in His time... that the dead may live!

don't cover your light.


Bless you ....><>
 
Dear Brothers & Sisters in Christ Jesus,
Does anyone think it has benefit to pray for the dead?


With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
<><


No. It is macabre and unnecessary. We can remember and respect those gone but all is in God's hands.
 
Most of the time, Loss and Grief regardless of cause can be so great a person has an emotional break. I've had three and they are horrible.
IMO, prayer is what is called when we talk to God regardless of the reason.
This might "hurt" some but there's no indication of anyone's status post death. Most people "assume" their loved on is in Heaven be them a stand-fast Christian or a weak, lukewarm one. They never think that the inference is their "loved one" didn't leave such a Christian life and will be "down there screaming up at us".
This might be a bit off topic but Dante's Inferno is based off of the Bible. It's depiction of Hell via The Inferno shows that Suicides are in a deep level of Hell. Was Alleghri inspired in some way? I believe he was. I'm not going to gamble my soul or anyone else's on the chance of suicide being "ok".
There is no way a person can pray "God forgive me. I'm going to kill myself." makes any logical or common sense. That is a very dangerous area suggesting that. The rest of us struggle as well and the thought of it never enters our mind.


Basically I agree, suicide is wrong. However, what about if someone is in intolerable pain and misery, through disease or injury? I believe God is merciful and loving. It is not an easy question, nor answer.
 
Is there something stronger than death?
Death and entropy are the same thing.


God has to allow us to die up until the end of the 1000 years at which point something happens regarding the laws of physics which govern this universe. It's not going to be as simple as new heaven and new earth show up and the old one evaporates slowly in a black hole.

Anyhow when God extends a person's life he is doing work to restore order in the person's body so that damage is reversed. I'm sure you are somewhat familiar with the biological processes of death, but in some sense it is no different than any other process. Chaos and entropy slowly accumulate until there is a cascading systemic failure. (This time it may be the whole world at once, rather than just one empire or three)
 
Note "priest". That's all Catholic. They tend to do a lot of things you don't see scriptural support.

I tend to agree with you, but Episcopals/Anglican's/CoE have priests, but consider themselves Protestant.
Some Lutheran churches (mostly ELCA) also have priests. They also consider themselves Protestant.
 
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