Praying in the Spirit Romans 8: 26 -30

[Curtis]

2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

1Jn 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God

 

[Waggles]

Praying in the Spirit Romans 8: 26-30​

Scripture teaches us truth about God and salvation
1Corinthians 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.

simple. straightforward. uncomplicated.

 

[Twistie]

No doubt this is true sometimes. But now, who is judging who?

We know by their fruits I have seen and I have heard n witnessed it for myself.. I was out there for a long time.. is it an unrighteous judgement when we see one let's say steal cars is it an unrighteous judgement to say he is a theif.. one must see ones walk to make a righteous judgement...

Twistie

 

[Garee]

Even Satan believes he just didn't wanna follow YHs ways frfr...

Twistie

There is nothing to believe . Satan is not subject to salvation He would not know what it was. As a murderer from the being. He hates all flesh .

 

[Garee]

Praying in the Spirit Romans 8: 26-30​

Scripture teaches us truth about God and salvation
1Corinthians 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.

simple. straightforward. uncomplicated.

What simply is praying in the spirit?

What is the opposing way if not communing with God in the Spirit .

Making a sound without meaning?

 

[Waggles]

What simply is praying in the spirit?
What is the opposing way if not communing with God in the Spirit .
Making a sound without meaning?

1Cor 14:2 For who speaketh in a tongue speaketh not to men, but to God; for no one heareth; but in spirit he speaketh mysteries. [NENT]
1Cor 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. [ESV]

1Cor 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my *spirit prayeth, but my *understanding is unfruitful. [NENT]
1Cor 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful. [ESV]

simple. straightforward. uncomplicated.

 

[Garee]

1Cor 14:2 For who speaketh in a tongue speaketh not to men, but to God; for no one heareth; but in spirit he speaketh mysteries. [NENT]
1Cor 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. [ESV]

1Cor 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my *spirit prayeth, but my *understanding is unfruitful. [NENT]
1Cor 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful. [ESV]

simple. straightforward. uncomplicated.

I agree uncomplicated. Tongues is simply prophecy of God not an oral traditions of men as something to wonder and marvel after. There is no reason why a intelligent sounds become evidence of the gospel .

What gospel the gospel of numerology?

Simply look to the law spoken of in 1 Corinthians 14 foundation found in Isaiah 28 .Unbelieving Jews mocking the interpretation of God making senceless baby noises (“Saw lasaw saw lasaw.Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw) and falling backward slain in the Spirit . God mocks them hiding his understanding from them in the spirit of judgment they fall backward .

Like David said destroy the foundations of a doctrine . . .what can the believer that is trusting it do ?

1 Corinthians 14:21-22 In the law (Isaiah 28) it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips (languages) will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Isaiah 28:9-13 The people say, “Who does he think he is trying to teach and explain his message to? Does he think we are babies who were at their mother’s breast only a very short time ago? He speaks to us as though we were babies:“Saw lasaw saw lasaw
Qaw laqaw qaw laqawZe’er sham ze’er sham.So God will use this strange way of talking, and he will use other languages to speak to these people. In the past he spoke to them and said, “Here is a resting place. Let those who are tired come and rest. This is the place of peace.”But they would not listen to him. So the Lord’s words will be senseless sounds to them:“Saw lasaw saw lasaw.
Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw.Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”When the people try to walk, they will fall backwards. They will be defeated, trapped, and captured.

 

[Waggles]

Tongues is simply prophecy of God not an oral traditions of men as something to wonder and marvel after.

NO - praying in tongues is praying in the Holy Spirit.
That is what scripture teaches us.
And scripture rules.

 

[Garee]

NO - praying in tongues is praying in the Holy Spirit.
That is what scripture teaches us.
And scripture rules.

Well of course prophecy "God's tongue" is praying in the power of the Spirit. Its not a work of our dying flesh. He knows what we need before we ask .lovingly moving us to seek his desire .

There is no power coming from false prophecy that some call tongues "words that have no meaning. . . baby sounds".

The foundation found in Isaiah 28 is the doctrine of tongues. God mocking those taking away his understanding of those who mock his word. . . as a law it must be compared to 1 Corinthians 14 all together as one interpretation.

1 Corinthians 14:21King James Version In the law it is written, (Isaiah 28 )With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

Yes scripture as it is written rules. . . . baby sounds. . . for those who drool.

 

[Waggles]

There is no power coming from false prophecy that some call tongues "words that have no meaning. . . baby sounds".

This is exactly why we should believe in scripture as opposed to the teachings of people.
Let us simplify the English and use the Weymouth version -
1Cor 14:2 For he who speaks in an unknown tongue is not speaking to men, but to God; for no one understands him. Yet in the Spirit he is speaking secret truths.
So other people cannot understand the content of speaking (praying) in tongues, but God does understand - which is why Pentecostal Christians enjoy so many more
miracles, healings, blessing and much answered prayer.
1Cor 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is barren.
15 How then does the matter stand? I will pray in spirit, and I will pray with my understanding also. I will praise God in spirit, and I will praise Him with my understanding also.
Here Paul teaches us that praying in tongues is spiritual and not of the natural mind, which again is why our natural minds cannot understand this language.
Again Paul is teaching us that a Spirit-filled Pentecostal Christian can pray in the tongues of angels and also in one's natural language. Which we do.

Jude 1:18 how they declared to you, "In the last times there shall be scoffers, obeying only their own ungodly passions."
19 These are those who cause divisions. They are men of the world, wholly unspiritual.
20 But you, my dearly-loved friends, building yourselves up on the basis of your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit,
So then what is the difference between those who are baptized in the Holy Spirit and those who are not - praying in tongues.

 

[Garee]

This is exactly why we should believe in scripture as opposed to the teachings of people.
Let us simplify the English and use the Weymouth version -
1Cor 14:2 For he who speaks in an unknown tongue is not speaking to men, but to God; for no one understands him. Yet in the Spirit he is speaking secret truths.
So other people cannot understand the content of speaking (praying) in tongues, but God does understand - which is why Pentecostal Christians enjoy so many more
miracles, healings, blessing and much answered prayer.
1Cor 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is barren.
15 How then does the matter stand? I will pray in spirit, and I will pray with my understanding also. I will praise God in spirit, and I will praise Him with my understanding also.
Here Paul teaches us that praying in tongues is spiritual and not of the natural mind, which again is why our natural minds cannot understand this language.
Again Paul is teaching us that a Spirit-filled Pentecostal Christian can pray in the tongues of angels and also in one's natural language. Which we do.

Jude 1:18 how they declared to you, "In the last times there shall be scoffers, obeying only their own ungodly passions."
19 These are those who cause divisions. They are men of the world, wholly unspiritual.
20 But you, my dearly-loved friends, building yourselves up on the basis of your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit,
So then what is the difference between those who are baptized in the Holy Spirit and those who are not - praying in tongues.

The whole understand in so much that we can read prophecy informs us the prophecy can be understood. Words have meaning ".Let there be" and "it was good." Sounds without meaning no substance appears . (dead works)

It's unreal to say because a person believes in sounds without meaning and falls back slain in the Spirit . . it is why Pentecostal sign seekers enjoy so many more miracles and answered prayer .God doesn't heal with the will or hand of dying mankind

How can prayer be answered if its simply baby noises that God sent back to those that mock him.

Again you refuse to look to the foundation of the law spoken of in 1 Corinthian 14 found in isaiah 28

1 Corinthians 14 :20-22 Brothers and sisters, don’t think like children. In evil things be like babies, but in your thinking you should be like full-grown adults. As the Scriptures say,“Using those who speak a different language
and using the lips of foreigners,I will speak to these people.But even then, they will not obey me.”
This is what the Lord says. And from this we see that the use of different languages shows how God deals with those who don’t believe, not with those who believe. And prophecy shows how God works through those who believe, not through unbelievers.

Isaiah 28: 9 -12The people say, “Who does he think he is trying to teach and explain his message to? Does he think we are babies who were at their mother’s breast only a very short time ago? He speaks to us as though we were babies:

“Saw lasaw saw lasaw
Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw
Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”

So God will use this strange way of talking, and he will use other languages to speak to these people

Words shows how, Prophecy the tongue of God does not offer baby sounds without instruction. . How would that work out in the end?

 

[Garee]

NO - praying in tongues is praying in the Holy Spirit.
That is what scripture teaches us.
And scripture rules.

What do these so called non words teach seeing no one can understand? Is God a God of confusion? Anything goes ?

 

[Twistie]

What do these so called non words teach seeing no one can understand? Is God a God of confusion? Anything goes ?

Oh give thanks to the Lord; call upon his name; make known his deeds among the peoples! Sing to him, sing praises to him; tell of all his wondrous works! Glory in his holy name; let the hearts of those who seek the Lord rejoice!

Oh sing to the Lord a new song, for he has done marvelous things! His right hand and his holy arm have worked salvation for him. The Lord has made known his salvation; he has revealed his righteousness in the sight of the nations.

He has remembered his steadfast love and faithfulness to the house of Israel. All the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God. Make a joyful noise to the Lord, all the earth; break forth into joyous song and sing praises!

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Men were scorched with fierce heat; and they blasphemed the name of God who has the power over these plagues, and they did not repent so as to give Him glory.

Twistie