Pre-trib Rapture: A popular but false doctrine

[Jonathan_Gale]

John 17:15 ...'I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.'

Is the Rapture in the Bible? Biblical Truth or False?

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[Sue D.]

The rapture is very biblical. Look at 1st Thessalonians 4: 16-18. And it will take place before the 7 yr tribulation.

 

[Sue D.]

And also there will be one rapture and it won't be secret but it Will take place quickly . In the twinkling of an eye. All born-again believers will be taken up to meet Jesus Christ in the air. And they will be with Him forever.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

The rapture is very biblical. Look at 1st Thessalonians 4: 16-18. And it will take place before the 7 yr tribulation.

No it's NOT. It's a heresy invented by John Nelson Darby. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 is talking about mass RESURRECTION - when Christ returns as the Bridegroom AND the King of Kings, same as 1 Cor. 15:50-58, that's our real blessed hope, not raptured into heaven. Yeshua compared it to the days of Lot and the days of Noah, check out the reference in Genesis, Lot was delivered to Zoar (Gen. 19:20-23), Noah and his family went into the Ark (Gen. 7:1), neither went to heaven or ascended into the sky.

And also there will be one rapture and it won't be secret but it Will take place quickly . In the twinkling of an eye. All born-again believers will be taken up to meet Jesus Christ in the air. And they will be with Him forever.

Sorry, brother, biblical definition for that "air" is NOT high up in the sky as most people think, but a general reference of this fallen world. This definition is given in Ephesians 2:2 - Satan is the prince of the air. Therefore when we meet Yeshua, that's when He came to this world to establish His kingdom - in THIS WORLD.

 

[Sue D.]

John Darby simply found the passages that were in scripture. And the two passages you mentioned are both describing the rapture witch is the up-gathering of the Church / the mass resurrection of first the dead saints and then all born-again believers. And that happens in a split second of time.

And then you're referring to later when Jesus Christ does come back to this earth to rule for the next 1,000 yrs.

And I'm not a 'brother' in Christ but a 'sister' in Christ. And that depends on whether you're a born-again believer.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

John Darby simply found the passages that were in scripture. And the two passages you mentioned are both describing the rapture witch is the up-gathering of the Church / the mass resurrection of first the dead saints and then all born-again believers. And that happens in a split second of time.

And then you're referring to later when Jesus Christ does come back to this earth to rule for the next 1,000 yrs.

And I'm not a 'brother' in Christ but a 'sister' in Christ. And that depends on whether you're a born-again believer.

OK sister, my bad, sorry. But those are set at the END of the tribulation, not the beginning, according to Rev. 20:4-6:

"And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years."

This is THE resurrection, and 1 Thess. 4:16 clearly states that it will take place and ONLY take place when Christ descends from heaven as described in Rev. 19:11-16. Nobody gets to resurrected before that. And if the dead don't rise first before the tribulation, then neither will there be any "upcatching" or "upgathering" before the tribulation. Also, the wording "those who are still alive" in 1 Thess. 4:17 indicates SURVIVORS of a catastrophic event. You don't call folks in the pews or watching live-stream "those who are still alive".

 

[Brother Paul]

The question had never been IF there will be a rapture but rather WHEN will it occur. The Bible is everywhere s[ecific thuis will happen at the Parousia or Coming. It will not be in secret for every eye shall see Him. TGhere is no half coming return to heaven and then a second coming, just one. The dead in christ rise we are all caught up together and the AntiChrist is consumed (he is here until then)

 

[Dave M]

The issue I have with a pre-trib theory is it is not stated in the bible anywhere, and the bible says Jesus only comes back one more time, not two more times.

Now when I was taught the pre-trib theory they would say Jesus coming in the clouds does not count as his second coming he has to touch the ground for that to count. I personally have an issue with it and would not believe it. Since when does being in the earth's atmosphere not count as being on earth??

The Bible clearly says Jesus' return is after the tribulation, anyone stating anything different is speculating at best, with no scripture to back it up. There is NO scripture that says Jesus returns prior to the tribulation to remove the church NON at all. Yes, people take verses out of context and read into them and base their opinion on that. For example, many claims that the blessed hope is the rapture of the church, yet my blessed hope is Jesus whenever he comes.

 

[MaryB08]

No kidding, this really happened: I once heard a preacher (Calvary Chapel) claim that the rapture is pre-trib because if it wasn't pre-trib then that makes Jesus a wife-beater. You heard it here first. It's funny, but it's not.

 

[Brother Paul]

No kidding, this really happened: I once heard a preacher (Calvary Chapel) claim that the rapture is pre-trib because if it wasn't pre-trib then that makes Jesus a wife-beater. You heard it here first. It's funny, but it's not.

Especially since he was never married!

 

[Sue D.]

The issue I have with a pre-trib theory is it is not stated in the bible anywhere, and the bible says Jesus only comes back one more time, not two more times.

Now when I was taught the pre-trib theory they would say Jesus coming in the clouds does not count as his second coming he has to touch the ground for that to count. I personally have an issue with it and would not believe it. Since when does being in the earth's atmosphere not count as being on earth??

The Bible clearly says Jesus' return is after the tribulation, anyone stating anything different is speculating at best, with no scripture to back it up. There is NO scripture that says Jesus returns prior to the tribulation to remove the church NON at all. Yes, people take verses out of context and read into them and base their opinion on that. For example, many claims that the blessed hope is the rapture of the church, yet my blessed hope is Jesus whenever he comes.

Dave just realized that this was from last year. But will take a moment to respond now anyway.

The rapture of the church will be all born-again believers being caught up to join Jesus christ in the air.

HIS next coming will be all the way to the earth on Mt.of Olives and thst will begin His 1000 yrs of earthly reign right here.

Why would God be pouring out His wrath on born-again believers. It's those who've rejected Him and particularly the non- accepting Jews. The Messianic Jews have accepted Him as their promised Messiah. The others haven't yet.

 

[Dave M]

Why would God be pouring out His wrath on born-again believers

why do you think the tribulation is All Gods wrath?? when is Gods wrath mentioned in the book of revelation?? we are to face the devils wrath and that is for our own good to purify us we are promised we might have to die for Christ all through out the bible. God can easily protect us from his wrath as he always does

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

why do you think the tribulation is All Gods wrath?? when is Gods wrath mentioned in the book of revelation?? we are to face the devils wrath and that is for our own good to purify us we are promised we might have to die for Christ all through out the bible. God can easily protect us from his wrath as he always does

God’s wrath is the seven bowl judgements which only target the marked earth dwellers, while the souls of the church was reaped previously!

 

[Twistie]

No it's NOT. It's a heresy invented by John Nelson Darby. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 is talking about mass RESURRECTION - when Christ returns as the Bridegroom AND the King of Kings, same as 1 Cor. 15:50-58, that's our real blessed hope, not raptured into heaven. Yeshua compared it to the days of Lot and the days of Noah, check out the reference in Genesis, Lot was delivered to Zoar (Gen. 19:20-23), Noah and his family went into the Ark (Gen. 7:1), neither went to heaven or ascended into the sky.


Sorry, brother, biblical definition for that "air" is NOT high up in the sky as most people think, but a general reference of this fallen world. This definition is given in Ephesians 2:2 - Satan is the prince of the air. Therefore when we meet Yeshua, that's when He came to this world to establish His kingdom - in THIS WORLD.

have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble (some bibles say Tribulation). But take heart! I have overcome the world.”

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

So r u saying that u will not b one who is raised up incorruptible??


trib·u·la·tion
/ˌtribyəˈlāSH(ə)n/
noun
a cause of great trouble or suffering
a state of great trouble or suffering.
"his time of tribulation was just beginning


Twistie

 

[Sue D.]

why do you think the tribulation is All Gods wrath?? when is Gods wrath mentioned in the book of revelation?? we are to face the devils wrath and that is for our own good to purify us we are promised we might have to die for Christ all through out the bible. God can easily protect us from his wrath as he always does

Dave. Why do born-again believers need purification. Are you getting some of rcc belief in purgatory into it.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

So r u saying that u will not b one who is raised up incorruptible??

John 12:24 Truly, truly, I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a seed; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.

One cannot be raised up incorruptible unless they dies first.

 

[Twistie]

John 12:24 Truly, truly, I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a seed; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.

One cannot be raised up incorruptible unless they dies first.

I believe the Word ova man u may not think YH means what He says but I know He does...

Perhaps the god u follow have limitations my Father has none

I see we follow two different gods it seems..


Some pick n choose what to believe I believe every Word YH speaks

Man doesn't live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of YH..



Twistie

 

[Twistie]

John 12:24 Truly, truly, I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a seed; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.

One cannot be raised up incorruptible unless they dies first.

Should I assume u don't believe

And as they still went on and talked, behold, chariots of fire and horses of fire separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

And.

Enoch walked with God, and he was not, for God took him.


Is this moot to u too??

Twistie

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

I believe the Word ova man u may not think YH means what He says but I know He does...

Perhaps the god u follow have limitations my Father has none

I see we follow two different gods it seems..


Some pick n choose what to believe I believe every Word YH speaks

Man doesn't live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of YH..



Twistie

The God I follow taught salvation through Jesus and Jesus alone, not alien abduction style "rapture".

 

[Twistie]

The God I follow taught salvation through Jesus and Jesus alone, not alien abduction style "rapture".

Ok gotcha ur god has limits mine is limitless

Those who r taken will not b the first to b taken without tasting death as the world knows it


Twistie