Pretribulation Rapture?

[Curtis]

 

[PloughBoy]

Words means a lot in biblical truth, but many people and bible teachers do not think so by their actions.

“the little foxes spoils the vines”

“A little leaven leavens the whole lump”

The person in the video, started right off and said many people believe God will put the church through the “Tribulation hour”.

The People of God has always experience “Tribulations” always!

But what he is referring to is what the Bible says is “Great Tribulation” that The World has Never Seen or Will ever see again”

And that is the way it is supposed to be express!

And not express as “Tribulation” for period. Or Hour.

People and a lot instructors do not understand that simple common biblical truth.

I thank GOD in 1977 a Old Pastor Explain That Truth to me upon Conversion. That is one of the 1st. Thing I learn concerning “The Art of Biblical Interpretation”!

Repeat what exactly the bible says, don’t add to it and not take free it as the bible expresses it less you far into error just by the slight of The Pen.

It is called “Great Tribulation”

It is called “aGreat White Shark”

It is called a “Shark”

Believe me The Two are Different!

The Shark and “The Great White Shark” are two entirely different creatures, jump out there in that water and see!

 

[PloughBoy]

With “Holy Scripture” one must take their time and Execute it rightly.

New King James Version
For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

New American Standard Bible
For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will again.

You just can’t just say “Tribulation period”

You must complete the whole Statement when addressing this “Bibical Truth”:

“a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will again.”

You must fit it into your statement when referring to it.
AND NOT BE LAZY!

 

[Dave M]

One scripture that I believe gives 100% proof that Jesus did not teach the pre-trib rapture,

John 17:15
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil

this is exactly what God has done through the bible with Noah, Lot, and,, Isreal at Passover


Nor did Peter or the apostle Paul ever preach of an immanent return of Christ, THe reason I believe this is because Jesus Told Peter of his death and that it would happen at an old age, Peter knew he was going to die for Christ he had no hope for an early escape, as a matter of fact, I am pretty sure he thought it was an honor to die for Christ, not to escape.

The Apostle Paul also knew he was going to die, he never mentions that he might escape through some secrete Rapture, and he warns people who thought Jesus was going to return early not to believe these rumors, for he does not return until certain things happen, like the man of lawlessness comes first.

Unfortunately, there is not one verse in the bible that speaks plainly about the pe-tribulation rapture.

 

[Curtis]

One scripture that I believe gives 100% proof that Jesus did not teach the pre-trib rapture,

John 17:15
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil

this is exactly what God has done through the bible with Noah, Lot, and,, Isreal at Passover


Nor did Peter or the apostle Paul ever preach of an immanent return of Christ, THe reason I believe this is because Jesus Told Peter of his death and that it would happen at an old age, Peter knew he was going to die for Christ he had no hope for an early escape, as a matter of fact, I am pretty sure he thought it was an honor to die for Christ, not to escape.

The Apostle Paul also knew he was going to die, he never mentions that he might escape through some secrete Rapture, and he warns people who thought Jesus was going to return early not to believe these rumors, for he does not return until certain things happen, like the man of lawlessness comes first.

Unfortunately, there is not one verse in the bible that speaks plainly about the pe-tribulation rapture.

Just curious, did you listen to the whole video?

 

[PloughBoy]

One scripture that I believe gives 100% proof that Jesus did not teach the pre-trib rapture,

John 17:15
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil

this is exactly what God has done through the bible with Noah, Lot, and,, Isreal at Passover


Nor did Peter or the apostle Paul ever preach of an immanent return of Christ, THe reason I believe this is because Jesus Told Peter of his death and that it would happen at an old age, Peter knew he was going to die for Christ he had no hope for an early escape, as a matter of fact, I am pretty sure he thought it was an honor to die for Christ, not to escape.

The Apostle Paul also knew he was going to die, he never mentions that he might escape through some secrete Rapture, and he warns people who thought Jesus was going to return early not to believe these rumors, for he does not return until certain things happen, like the man of lawlessness comes first.

Unfortunately, there is not one verse in the bible that speaks plainly about the pe-tribulation rapture.

John 17:15
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil”

I do not even have to recheck this copy of a sentence you posted.

“keep them from the evil”

The correct translation is “
“keep Them From “The Evil One”.

It makes a difference when you “Know The Holy Scripture”

Content content content.

All of The “Apostles” suffered from “Much evil and most suffered evil deaths. Very evil deaths.

Words words words.

And you know that.

 

[Dave M]

Just curious, did you listen to the whole video?

just about 25 minutes in, Barnette has been one of my favorites, I have listened to him for years.

 

[Curtis]

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

When the Jews finally acknowledge Jesus as their Lord and Savior, then Jesus will return.

Matt. 23:39 "You shall see me no more till you say, "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!"

 

[Bill]

I have a question for the pretribbers. What significant thing will happen after that moment , " the rapture ". Will it be the breaking of the Seals? Will it be the Breaking of the Sixth Seal ( Great Day of the Lord ) . Will it be the Mark of the Antichrist?

Which one thing, the first thing that i can attest to in scripture, will come after?

 

[PloughBoy]

I have a question for the pretribbers. What significant thing will happen after that moment , " the rapture ". Will it be the breaking of the Seals? Will it be the Breaking of the Sixth Seal ( Great Day of the Lord ) . Will it be the Mark of the Antichrist?

Which one thing, the first thing that i can attest to in scripture, will come after?

After we have been “Caught into the sky to be with JESUS just like He had proclaim He Takes us back like he promise. The Celebration in Heaven begins,
1. The Bema Seat, rewards.

2. The CORONATIONS CEREMONIES

3. Then The Speech Given by The FATHER TO INFORM US all at that time, All Heaven will become “SILENT” not a sound will be “Heard”. He is going to tell us everything and the reason In a Heavenly Language you have never heard. And a name.

And then;

3. We will Mount up On HEAVEN’S “WHITE HORSES” [SPECIAL HORSES THAT THE FATHER HAS SPECIALLY PROVIDED for This Occasion] similar liken The Fish That “GOD”Had prepared for “JONAH”]

HE have prepared a Special White Horse for Each Rider concerning All” “THE ARMIES of HEAVEN” For We will “”APPEAR, IN GREAT GLORY, RIDING “WHITE HORSES”!

A Grand Entrance into The Throws of Mankind! In The Mist of “CHAOS”! “HOSANNA HOSANNA Here Comes “THE KING”!

So essence, when we are caught up into The sky, Who cares what is Happening on Planet Earth!

But During The CEREMONY Speech By “GOD THE FATHER” unveiling His Plans and we as one are “RECEIVING Our COMMANDS” each One. In The Mist of “SILENCE” each person Hearing The VOICE of GOD in His Own Language!

Each Receiving Their Personal Commands, and we are Going to “MOUNT UP”. And Ride Coming Out of ETERNITY INTO The Universe and Cross The Stars In The Sky!

We are Going To be riding White Glorious Horses!

And When we Appear The World are Going To Know Who we are. THEN “THE NEW JERUSALEM “ WILL also Descend from “HEAVEN” which is Our Home ForEVER and Ever! And It Will have 12 Gates where We can go out And Come in.

For it is Our Place Of RESIDENCE. No Matter where we go Through All “”ETERNITY” we can go and come out anytime we get ready, For it is Our Home And City prepare By “GOD”.

Now, dwell or that for a while. “ Kemosabe”

 

[Bill]

After we have been “Caught into the sky to be with JESUS just like He had proclaim He Takes us back like he promise. The Celebration in Heaven begins,
1. The Bema Seat, rewards.

2. The CORONATIONS CEREMONIES

3. Then The Speech Given by The FATHER TO INFORM US all at that time, All Heaven will become “SILENT” not a sound will be “Heard”. He is going to tell us everything and the reason In a Heavenly Language you have never heard. And a name.

And then;

3. We will Mount up On HEAVEN’S “WHITE HORSES” [SPECIAL HORSES THAT THE FATHER HAS SPECIALLY PROVIDED for This Occasion] similar liken The Fish That “GOD”Had prepared for “JONAH”]

HE have prepared a Special White Horse for Each Rider concerning All” “THE ARMIES of HEAVEN” For We will “”APPEAR, IN GREAT GLORY, RIDING “WHITE HORSES”!

A Grand Entrance into The Throws of Mankind! In The Mist of “CHAOS”! “HOSANNA HOSANNA Here Comes “THE KING”!

So essence, when we are caught up into The sky, Who cares what is Happening on Planet Earth!

But During The CEREMONY Speech By “GOD THE FATHER” unveiling His Plans and we as one are “RECEIVING Our COMMANDS” each One. In The Mist of “SILENCE” each person Hearing The VOICE of GOD in His Own Language!

Each Receiving Their Personal Commands, and we are Going to “MOUNT UP”. And Ride Coming Out of ETERNITY INTO The Universe and Cross The Stars In The Sky!

We are Going To be riding White Glorious Horses!

And When we Appear The World are Going To Know Who we are. THEN “THE NEW JERUSALEM “ WILL also Descend from “HEAVEN” which is Our Home ForEVER and Ever! And It Will have 12 Gates where We can go out And Come in.

For it is Our Place Of RESIDENCE. No Matter where we go Through All “”ETERNITY” we can go and come out anytime we get ready, For it is Our Home And City prepare By “GOD”.

Now, dwell or that for a while. “ Kemosabe”

That's kind of amazing I kind of thought that I would be worshiping God when I got to heaven not myself

 

[Bill]

After we have been “Caught into the sky to be with JESUS just like He had proclaim He Takes us back like he promise. The Celebration in Heaven begins,
1. The Bema Seat, rewards.

2. The CORONATIONS CEREMONIES

3. Then The Speech Given by The FATHER TO INFORM US all at that time, All Heaven will become “SILENT” not a sound will be “Heard”. He is going to tell us everything and the reason In a Heavenly Language you have never heard. And a name.

And then;

3. We will Mount up On HEAVEN’S “WHITE HORSES” [SPECIAL HORSES THAT THE FATHER HAS SPECIALLY PROVIDED for This Occasion] similar liken The Fish That “GOD”Had prepared for “JONAH”]

HE have prepared a Special White Horse for Each Rider concerning All” “THE ARMIES of HEAVEN” For We will “”APPEAR, IN GREAT GLORY, RIDING “WHITE HORSES”!

A Grand Entrance into The Throws of Mankind! In The Mist of “CHAOS”! “HOSANNA HOSANNA Here Comes “THE KING”!

So essence, when we are caught up into The sky, Who cares what is Happening on Planet Earth!

But During The CEREMONY Speech By “GOD THE FATHER” unveiling His Plans and we as one are “RECEIVING Our COMMANDS” each One. In The Mist of “SILENCE” each person Hearing The VOICE of GOD in His Own Language!

Each Receiving Their Personal Commands, and we are Going to “MOUNT UP”. And Ride Coming Out of ETERNITY INTO The Universe and Cross The Stars In The Sky!

We are Going To be riding White Glorious Horses!

And When we Appear The World are Going To Know Who we are. THEN “THE NEW JERUSALEM “ WILL also Descend from “HEAVEN” which is Our Home ForEVER and Ever! And It Will have 12 Gates where We can go out And Come in.

For it is Our Place Of RESIDENCE. No Matter where we go Through All “”ETERNITY” we can go and come out anytime we get ready, For it is Our Home And City prepare By “GOD”.

Now, dwell or that for a while. “ Kemosabe”

Can you show me where in scripture a Rapture has happened before to prove that it will happen again.

How about in the history of the church let's look at the history of the church and see if there was a rapture for all those who suffered or even the history of the Jewish people for all those who suffered let's find some history that proves that it has happened once before I'm waiting anywhere in the scripture that shows where the people have been caught up from all the terrible things that were done to them.

Well let me look let's see a lot okay the Lord removed a lot from Sodom and Gomorrah all right so they ran with their shirt on their back out of Sodom and Gomorrah Lot's wife turned around turned into a pillar of salt because she saw the wrath of God Unleashed on Sodom and Gomorrah and they ran into the Wilderness with no where to go that was it maybe they want to see Abram you know to start over a whole new life all over again

Okay so that wasn't the Rapture how about let's go to Moses now I can guarantee you that the people of Israel that lived in Egypt had it much worse than anything that we in America have ever experienced and the only people in the planet right now that could say that they might be having a worse experience than the people of Israel in the time of Egypt would be those living in China or maybe in Africa and maybe in the Middle East but that's about it everybody else they're living fat off the hog all right so but God separated them he helped them escape from the land of Egypt but they went into the desert for 40 years

Okay so no Rapture there oh let's go look at the early Christians the ones that were getting fed to the Lions I know they had a rough time much rougher than I've ever had and yet they were willing to go to the lions in fact they were singing praise be to Jesus Christ going to the Lions but they didn't receive any Escape other than losing their life and going to heaven as martyrs well there was no Rapture there either I mean no no escape from the turmoil and everything else

Okay so let's look at something a little bit more modern the Jews the apple of God's eye in fact the World War II Auschwitz now that was a rough time for anyone that was a Christian or a Jew and they went through the fire of Auschwitz to be with God everybody that went through Auschwitz died of murder did you or Christian it doesn't matter they died a martyr they stuck to their belief in God that's all that mattered if you don't believe that then you guys are more lost than anybody

But no Rapture there either sorry guys I just don't see it

Just show me one time it's all I ask just one time that God takes you out of the fire and takes you to Paradise instead. Even the thief on the cross had to go through his fire hanging there on the cross suffering before he went to his Paradise With Jesus

 

[Bill]

May the lord always be with you plowboy.

My brother you will be with me in heaven. I could tell you so much. I really love the brick in the courtyard of the city of God. It's almost like glass you can see the clouds through it, yet the bricks themselves have different colors some of which I don't even know what the colors are. But if you look at the bricks overall it's like a golden hue that glows off of them.

But before I can return I have to finish the task that I was sent to do in the first place, and that task leads me to Jerusalem.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Pretribulation Rapture?​

Since "Eschatology" is just a religious word for "Rank Speculation", and in the final analysis it's all totally unimportant, I'll go along with the "official" Assembly of God Denominational version which is "Pre-Trib".
I couldn't care less. God's plan for the age is ON Schedule, and IN Budget, regardless of man's unimportant "Religious theories".

 

[Bill]

Since "Eschatology" is just a religious word for "Rank Speculation", and in the final analysis it's all totally unimportant, I'll go along with the "official" Assembly of God Denominational version which is "Pre-Trib".
I couldn't care less. God's plan for the age is ON Schedule, and IN Budget, regardless of man's unimportant "Religious theories".

There is only one problem with what you just said, " I couldn't care less " .

I'm not referring to you directly on this it's just a common phrase that comes from a lot of Christians when they're thinking about other people. Anyone that is not Christian.

What has ever happened to reaching out to everyone else. What has happened to being missionaries to the world. Being your brother's keeper.

Doesn't Jesus tell us to go out to the world the whole world? Who are we to think it's finished.

This is yet another reason why I complain so diligently against the pre-tribulation rapture people because their focus is nearly 100% on the pre-tribulation Rapture nowadays versus actually doing what God has asked us to do. They are more concerned about their own selves and their own salvation then being concerned about the other person.

Does any one of you have the faith to believe that God will take care of you while still on Earth through the Great Tribulation

 

[PloughBoy]

Can you show me where in scripture a Rapture has happened before to prove that it will happen again.

How about in the history of the church let's look at the history of the church and see if there was a rapture for all those who suffered or even the history of the Jewish people for all those who suffered let's find some history that proves that it has happened once before I'm waiting anywhere in the scripture that shows where the people have been caught up from all the terrible things that were done to them.

Well let me look let's see a lot okay the Lord removed a lot from Sodom and Gomorrah all right so they ran with their shirt on their back out of Sodom and Gomorrah Lot's wife turned around turned into a pillar of salt because she saw the wrath of God Unleashed on Sodom and Gomorrah and they ran into the Wilderness with no where to go that was it maybe they want to see Abram you know to start over a whole new life all over again

Okay so that wasn't the Rapture how about let's go to Moses now I can guarantee you that the people of Israel that lived in Egypt had it much worse than anything that we in America have ever experienced and the only people in the planet right now that could say that they might be having a worse experience than the people of Israel in the time of Egypt would be those living in China or maybe in Africa and maybe in the Middle East but that's about it everybody else they're living fat off the hog all right so but God separated them he helped them escape from the land of Egypt but they went into the desert for 40 years

Okay so no Rapture there oh let's go look at the early Christians the ones that were getting fed to the Lions I know they had a rough time much rougher than I've ever had and yet they were willing to go to the lions in fact they were singing praise be to Jesus Christ going to the Lions but they didn't receive any Escape other than losing their life and going to heaven as martyrs well there was no Rapture there either I mean no no escape from the turmoil and everything else

Okay so let's look at something a little bit more modern the Jews the apple of God's eye in fact the World War II Auschwitz now that was a rough time for anyone that was a Christian or a Jew and they went through the fire of Auschwitz to be with God everybody that went through Auschwitz died of murder did you or Christian it doesn't matter they died a martyr they stuck to their belief in God that's all that mattered if you don't believe that then you guys are more lost than anybody

But no Rapture there either sorry guys I just don't see it

Just show me one time it's all I ask just one time that God takes you out of the fire and takes you to Paradise instead. Even the thief on the cross had to go through his fire hanging there on the cross suffering before he went to his Paradise With Jesus

I don’t like the English word rapture it is not in “The Original Copied Manuscript” neither is the word “church”!

But our religious leaders has place a lot of words that is not in the “ORIGINAL TEXT” into Translations. [ I understand why].

But in my case, I try to stick withe The meaning of The “Original Text” meaning.

I am not Persuaded. by such terms as “Rapture, church, Christianity” and there definitions.

It only produce more confusion, separates divides, and make No Distinguish between The Righteous and The Unrighteous.


I just read my Bible and I study how to read my Bible so I can know the TRUTH for myself.

I do not about care mankind, my soul is important to me. The world and mankind is not going to tell me the truth about this life and neither do any care for me.
The Bible makes that clear, but mankind will say differently .

I believe if I do not get it right and I do not present it right when questioned about my “FAITH” concerning my understanding what has been written, I am in Great Trouble with GOD in this Life and The Life to Come GOD will Judge Me!

Not Mary Ann, Billy Bob, not Jody, “Me”!

And done of my words will be, “well my pastor told me this, my teacher told me that, Hal Rapture told me this, Jill predestination said this, Johnny Postdestination said this, Johnny boy said that.

I did not study and read my Bible to teach others Or to write a book, all these years. I did not study English,writing,and speech again to teach others, I did it, to teach myself and myself only!
Not to teach others not to preach, not to lecture, not to be a outstanding person in the community!
I didn’t.

I don’t want to have anything to do with such practices and if I did and when I did it is was against my Will! And I am not lying I wouldn’t wish this “Curse” [blessing] on nobody!

JOB said: [“I wish my mama would have left her legs closed that I would not have saw the light of Day”!]


So I can see the great Controversy within Christianity and it is very understandable.

Especially about many teachings concerning Eschatology.

But until Jesus comes back, and His mission is completely unfolded, and all Speculations, assumptions, and religious and Theological teaches will come to an end and The Real will be revealed and known.

So here we are at the Fork in The Road waiting. For The Truth be Known.

PS. The over all picture is this:

From Genesis to Reveleation, is “Creation”. Creating what? Answer is a”Cake”.

All The Ingredients to Make This cake is in “Genesis to Revelation”. Which is The End. The Alpha And Omega.

All the events of Creation comes to an end. Now The Cake is Presented.

It looks nothing like creation. It is The “FINISH product” design by GOD. He is The Baker. the universes is The Oven and The Mixing bowl, When you make a cake, The outside Ingredients you throw away. You do not put egg shells in The Mix, you Throw That Away. We do not eat the pan or the oven.

What GOD is Making He knows what he is going to throw away.

And I do not think he will need The Oven or The mixing bowl anymore.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

There is only one problem with what you just said, " I couldn't care less " .

I'm not referring to you directly on this it's just a common phrase that comes from a lot of Christians when they're thinking about other people. Anyone that is not Christian.

What has ever happened to reaching out to everyone else. What has happened to being missionaries to the world. Being your brother's keeper.

Doesn't Jesus tell us to go out to the world the whole world? Who are we to think it's finished.

Missionary efforts are on-going, and supported. What are YOU doing about it (besides writing posts on an obscure web site)?

Does any one of you have the faith to believe that God will take care of you while still on Earth through the Great Tribulation

And if we DIE - so what. We'll all die anyway, some more comfortably than others. How would the starving and oppressed masses in other countries even know when the "Tribulation" began????

 

[PloughBoy]

If Jesus does not keep HIS promise to us! the Bible is a lie!

And he did not raise up from the grave
and we are still in our sins!

He promise to come back and Get us And Take us Back with him!

And so far as Prescribe by The Bible No man has been to Heaven but Jesus who came down from there and went by up as men stood gazing in the Sky and The Angels said; why are you Gazing In The Sky?

The Same Jesus will come back in such manner!

And No one here, rightly can Testify That they saw Jesus Christ The Son of GOD Walked on planet earth! No one here, have ever saw him in the flesh!

If you believe He Walked The Earth and you didn’t see him!

We can Believe He is Coming Back And Take us Where he is at!

“We Can Believe in The Rapture”!


Like how you know he died and rose from the grave, you was not there!

You read it in a book or somebody else read it in a book and they told you!

Because they was not there either!


So the same way you believe that he die for your sins is the same way we believe he is coming to get us and take us to heaven!

Same book you believe from!

And not the dime store collection of comics books, written for profit.

Example:

“I been to Heaven”
“this is what heaven looks like”

“I saw Jesus in Heaven he had blue eyes, blond hair”

“Number One Seller on The NewYork Exchange” 2002!


“not one dull moment in The World of Christianity”

Jesus
Paul
Polycarb
ATHANAIUS
CONSTANTINE
Augustine fall of Rome
Luther
Calvin
Huss
Whitefield
Edwards
John Colet
G.Compell Morgan
A mean what a ride!
Huguenots
Methodist
Ana-Baptist
Presbyterian
Pentecostalism
Holy Rollers
Word of faith
And the list goes on.

Everybody got a doctrine everybody got their own Jesus.

I am telling the truth just ask them about their Jesus I Guarantee he is different from the one in the bible. The One That Created All creation even The Devil and Came down here and walked in The Flesh whose “FATHER” Is Greater Than He!

I Guarantee they are not talking about the same one and they are “Christians”

And Do you wonder why we are looking up at the sky!

And Hoping For Him to come and gets us!

Away from these folks!

We are not trying to get away from the planet now it is the people!

“come out From Among Them’

Warning Will Robinson, “DANGER” “Danger” Will Robinson Danger”

They will contaminate your thinking, they will pollute your very soul.

They will Make you Think Jesus is Not coming back to get you! they will make you think there is do such thing as “Sanctification and holiness”!

“you are own your own”. Your living is in vain!

You better live to be happy now because this is it!

Get me out of here!


If he don’t come back soon ain’t nobody going to get saved!

Because these faith killers today , they have automatic weapons, Benny Hinn; Said He had A “Spiritual machine hum”!

New American Standard Bible
And if the Lord had not shortened those days, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days.


You see The devil do not bother a lot of Christians he likes keeping them around for they are Beneficial to him.
They only have problems with their flesh and they love the things of The World. He is not even concern with them they are not A threat to his mission he loves them.

And he is so Thrill and tickle when they so call rebuke him in the name of Jesus. And they think he has ran away and he was no where in the Vicinity. His imps report back what is going on with you.

The devil might say ok, leave him or her alone they are entrap in love with their lusts. Just keep a eye on them just n case they want to repent and turn from their wicked ways. If they do, fire one of those Cupid darts at them and fed them some lies about their spouse, and fuel some escape clauses.

 

[Mister]

I do not have my hope on the rapture. I have my hope in the Lord. If I die before this rapture my hope remains in the Lord. And I establish my heart for Jesus is on His way. Jesus will raise me up either way, dead or alive.

I do not know which position I take but a question is in the back of my mind always: Noah wasn't excused from the last world wide judgment but prepared and went thru it then why should I expect any different?

Edit: removed "if" for Noah DID go thru lollll