Pretribulation Rapture?

[Dave M]

Rom 11:26 And this is how all Israel will be saved. As the scripture says, "The Savior will come from Zion and remove all wickedness from the descendants of Jacob.

This is a very interesting verse, and if we use scripture to help us understand it maybe I can make more sense of it...

all Isreal will be saved WOW how in the world is that possible?? does that mean the Pharisees of Jesus' Time will be saved?? Jesus said to some of them that their father was the devil, so they can not be part of ALL Isreal. When I read ALL I think ALL not some but ALL From the very beginning. So who is Isreal,, Paul says "But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel;" wait a minute Paul is saying just because you are Jewish you do not Belong to Isreal, at least that's the way I take it. Paul puts it another way also "For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical."

If I use scripture to help me understand scripture I can only come to one conclusion and that is you do not belong to Isreal just because you are a Jew!!

So who belongs to Isreal that they ALL will be saved?? Well, who do we know that all will be saved? that's pretty easy for anyone in Christ, and from the OT it was anyone in faith. So could it be possible that the called out the remnant the chosen one are all Isreal that is saved, both Gentile and Jew who have faith and are in Christ?

What makes me think that some of the gentiles could possibly be part of the Isreal that will get saved?? because certain gentiles get grafted into the olive tree, I always thought the olive tree represented Isreal. Matter of fact some of the natural branches of the olive tree get broken off.

The only way I can understand the Isreal that the bible is speaking of is to identify it by what scripture says, many people claim all of Isreal are descendants of Abraham and that if you are a Jew you are Abraham's offspring,, but scripture tells us diffenty. Scripture tells us it is the children of faith that are Abrahams's offspring therefore I would think are part of Isreal.

Romans 9
6. It is not as though God’s word has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are Abraham’s descendants are they all his children. On the contrary, “Through Isaac your offspring will be reckoned.”b 8 So it is not the children of the flesh who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as offspring

Galatians 3:29​

And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.

Galatians 3:7​

7 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham.

 

[Curtis]

I don't think "all of Israel will be saved" means every Jew that has lived will be saved. I think all meaning all who the Lord knew according to his foreknowledge of who he knew from the foundation of the world would call upon him.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

I have heard that theory before. Perhaps it could be. But consider the entire population of Jerusalem was 200,000 in 70ad. (that's being generous).
How many Jews were killed in World War II? Indeed, how many people of all races were killed in World War II? Which would you say is a greater tribulation?

Now I myself don't believe World War II was the great tribulation, but I imagine many people during that time thought so.

That’s not a theory. Jesus predicted destruction of the second temple and Jerusalem in the previous chapter - “not a stone will be left upon another”, disciples asked HOW and WHEN, and Jesus answered! That’s the broader context which you have ignored.

 

[B-A-C]

“not a stone will be left upon another”,

... and yet, an entire wall is still standing.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

... and yet, an entire wall is still standing.

The temple building was burned down, that wall was just a memorial and a reminder of that history. It is necessary to have some remnant preserved, so if any skeptic questions the existence of this second temple and argues that it's just a myth, that wall would serve as archeological evidence. I didn't make up this line, it's in the gospel. When the disciples marveled at the splendor of the temple, Jesus predicted its fall. If you have a problem with the fulfillment of that, then that's your unbelief and misunderstanding.