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Prophetic Standards Statement

I think part of it is some, people like me, are being awakened to it. I was born and raised differently... So then it was a leap of faith this last year changing churches after 8 years to one who does teach more about these things as more of a pentecostal/charismatic church. So instead of speaking, just important to listen and learn. Rules and structure like this are so important along with good teaching on the scripture mentioned. Unsure if I quite understand that part completely.

But like sharing dreams and my insights on that at times, is that wise? I always did them privately, but have decided not to pm/have dreams interpreted online anymore since I go to a church I can ask my pastor and others moving in the gifts. Well, I guess I can go ask them. LOL. So different having people face to face to ask. It is hard to balance between gaining spiritual discernment and following/asking for wise counsel.
That sounds smart to me. I'd only ever go to someone I knew and trusted well with for help with interpretation of a dream or discernment about a prophecy. Someone who has demonstrated wisdom and integrity. And here on TalkJesus, in the main we don't know each other so well.

I believe that one reason God gives a word of revelation to one person and an interpretation of the same revelation to another is to encourgage us to work together and to consider prophecies corporately. All the more reason for sharing with brothers and sisters in your own fellowship.
 
False prophets are everywhere and have been for millennium. Christians need to look no further than the Bible, which provides all the prophetic words from God needed for every follower of Jesus Christ. People claiming to have the gift of prophecy are intentionally lying or are themselves deceived. Look at all the cults that follow false prophets: LDS, SDA, JW's, etc. Follow Jesus only.
 
False prophets are everywhere and have been for millennium. Christians need to look no further than the Bible, which provides all the prophetic words from God needed for every follower of Jesus Christ. People claiming to have the gift of prophecy are intentionally lying or are themselves deceived. Look at all the cults that follow false prophets: LDS, SDA, JW's, etc. Follow Jesus only.
I fully agree that there have been false prophets down throughout the history of Israel and the church. But if the answer to the problem, was to trust only scripture and ignore all prophetic speaking, you would be taking away from the word of God. Most of scripture is prophetic utterances that were listened to and written down so that many down through the centuries can feel out the validity of it. To think that the "gift" of prophecy which was given to us by the Lord, should be shunned and be treated as unworthy would only lead to being as the pharisees, ignoring or belittling or even killing those who dared to utter prophecies that we disagree with.
Sometimes I think that if Christ came back (the true Christ) and started speaking (which would be the word of God), many christians would tell him to either use scripture or to shut up. The answer to the problem is not to ignore prophetic utterances, but to be "filled" with the Holy Spirit, which is God's desire anyways, to know the truth of something or the falsehood found in it. And if God doesnt make it clear one way or the other right away, simply wait until God makes it clear to us through the venue of listening for the voice of the Spirit, even if it takes days or weeks.
So if someone makes such an utterance, simply say, "Perhaps, we shall see." instead of assuming the worst of it. And to also understand the specific words of the prophecy and whether someone paraphrased what they supposedly "heard" in the spirit.
 
I fully agree that there have been false prophets down throughout the history of Israel and the church. But if the answer to the problem, was to trust only scripture and ignore all prophetic speaking, you would be taking away from the word of God. Most of scripture is prophetic utterances that were listened to and written down so that many down through the centuries can feel out the validity of it. To think that the "gift" of prophecy which was given to us by the Lord, should be shunned and be treated as unworthy would only lead to being as the pharisees, ignoring or belittling or even killing those who dared to utter prophecies that we disagree with.
Sometimes I think that if Christ came back (the true Christ) and started speaking (which would be the word of God), many christians would tell him to either use scripture or to shut up. The answer to the problem is not to ignore prophetic utterances, but to be "filled" with the Holy Spirit, which is God's desire anyways, to know the truth of something or the falsehood found in it. And if God doesnt make it clear one way or the other right away, simply wait until God makes it clear to us through the venue of listening for the voice of the Spirit, even if it takes days or weeks.
So if someone makes such an utterance, simply say, "Perhaps, we shall see." instead of assuming the worst of it. And to also understand the specific words of the prophecy and whether someone paraphrased what they supposedly "heard" in the spirit.
To the extent that self-claimed prophets utter words they claim come from God that have no affect on doctrine, I agree to say "we shall see." However, if their words alter or amend established Biblical doctrine or informs of a different GOSPEL MESSAGE in any way, I will say to them "anathema."
 
Accepting the words of man as prophesy from God IMO, is one of the ways the Gospel has been tempered to lukewarm to the ears/hearts of many.

A simple example Pro_13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

we have accepted spare the rod spoil the child
 
To the extent that self-claimed prophets utter words they claim come from God that have no affect on doctrine, I agree to say "we shall see." However, if their words alter or amend established Biblical doctrine or informs of a different GOSPEL MESSAGE in any way, I will say to them "anathema."
Jesus said things, that the respected scholars of Judaism, were of a different message than what they believed with all their hearts to be the truth. Who would have you have sided with then do you think?
 
Jesus said things, that the respected scholars of Judaism, were of a different message than what they believed with all their hearts to be the truth. Who would have you have sided with then do you think?
The common man was more likely to believe Jesus than the learned. What does that tell you? What it tells me is that we tend to assume things and cant see the truth sometimes if its staring us right in the face.
 
Jesus said things, that the respected scholars of Judaism, were of a different message than what they believed with all their hearts to be the truth. Who would have you have sided with then do you think?
Brad, I can't say I haven't thought of what It'd been like had I been a Jew and lived in Judea 2,000 years ago. But, by God's magnificent grace, I'm alive for such a time as this (thank you Esther and Pete James). I also used to wonder being a black in America during my youth, having lived through the horrors of brutal anti-black sentiments and forced busing protests. Alas, I am here today for such a time as this, and I thank my Lord and my God for saving me from the wretched man and place I once was. Thank you Lord Jesus. Follow Jesus, brother, and don't look back.
 
I think part of it is some, people like me, are being awakened to it. I was born and raised differently... So then it was a leap of faith this last year changing churches after 8 years to one who does teach more about these things as more of a pentecostal/charismatic church. So instead of speaking, just important to listen and learn. Rules and structure like this are so important along with good teaching on the scripture mentioned. Unsure if I quite understand that part completely.
There are nine gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed upon the body of Christ - 1Co 12:7 But to each is given the manifestation of the Spirit to profit [of all].

1Cor 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then powers, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, kinds of tongues.
12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all power workers?
12:30 have all gifts of healings? speak all in tongues? do all interpret?

So even though everybody can pray in tongues by the Spirit not everybody in the assembly operates the voice gifts - personally I have never operated tongues, interpretation or prophecy.
But I have certainly operated and been blessed with other gifts such as discerning, faith, healing, and working of miracles.
I have asked Dianne, who is able to speak both interpretations and prophecies, how do you do it. She replies that she prays to be used by the Lord for this to his glory not hers.
The pastors talk about just step out in faith - here am I Lord, use me.
If the you the desire to pray for your gifts and ministry in your new church do that and let God move upon you.
 
Brad, I can't say I haven't thought of what It'd been like had I been a Jew and lived in Judea 2,000 years ago. But, by God's magnificent grace, I'm alive for such a time as this (thank you Esther and Pete James). I also used to wonder being a black in America during my youth, having lived through the horrors of brutal anti-black sentiments and forced busing protests. Alas, I am here today for such a time as this, and I thank my Lord and my God for saving me from the wretched man and place I once was. Thank you Lord Jesus. Follow Jesus, brother, and don't look back.
There is no other than Jesus for us. You are not at fault in being afraid, it takes great faith to trust in the Holy Spirit, and most christians are indeed the "sheep" of His pasture. He knows our every weakness, and being sheep is one of them. He loves us anyway. I was very fearful when I was younger, fearful of nearly everything, a prime candidate for the evil one to manipulate. A true sheep. Not all evil that befell me came from evil spirits though, mankind is filled with darkness of its own making. When I was just a child, evil spirits came to me shortly after I turned 10 years old, and I was soooo scared, they seemed happy and went away just after a few minutes. But it shook me to the core. And they did leave their mark on me, the fear only increased from that time onward till the Lord helped me to overcome those fears.

I was a deep deep pacifist. The Lord directed me into the military, how could He do such a thing? But while in service, I meet people of great faith and knowledge of scripture, they helped me more than any pastor had before or after. So He had a purpose, even though I could not see it, and I didnt like having to do it, but it was like a burning in my soul, either accept the Lords will for me or be lost. So I trusted the Lord more than my fears, though they were great. He allowed me to leave military service after 8 1/2 years.

Many other amazing things has happened to me, some amazingly great, some very hard. Once the Lord wanted to rebuke 2 people and although I was willing to do so to the man (it was a man and a woman), the woman was a great encourager of others, and at least seemed to be very loving of all (on another christian msg board). I told the Lord to get someone else (pretty rebellious, huh), because I didnt want to hurt her. My thoughts were that there were always plenty of people that like to find fault, He could use them. I felt a pressure upon me for about 1 1/2 weeks that I needed to do it, sort of like Jonah was to do so. A miracle happened to me that made me realize I needed to do it, and I told the Lord I would do it, and it worked out for the best. God knows best even when we dont. I came up with reasoning that scripturally speaking, I shouldnt have rebuked her, and did the same about not joining the military. But guess what... the Holy Spirit is a burning fire that cannot be quenched. And its a good thing. Even today, I ask the Lord at least weekly to treat me like a good son, and discipline me when needed, to show me the way to go.

Scripture can lead you to water, but it cant make you drink. You must be thirsty to drink. You must see the water as good for you or you will always fear of the water and find reasons, even biblical reasons to not drink. Why do you think Jesus talked about leaving the earth and giving the Holy Spirit to guide them in all things? They were afraid that without Jesus, without the word of God made flesh before them, they would fail miserably. So Jesus told us about the guide the Holy Spirit was to be for us in all things.

Scripture is very very very important. It is the "Word of God", but it does not record all words that God has spoken or will speak. When he speaks to you or to me, if it is the Holy Spirit, then it also is the Word of God. Indeed if scripture clearly goes against what spiritual msg is given, its not from God, and mans fear is.... its better to just not trust in any spirit. So they dont learn to see the differences between a lying spirit and one from the Lord. I would teach no man if it were left up to me. They truly dont want to learn from me, and I dont "want" them to learn from me, I just want them to learn to trust the Holy Spirit.
 
I do remember one prophecy in particular - in fact I was so moved and affected by this that I wrote it down afterwards to remember it
Sunday 17th April 2011
Ask not God what can you do for me? but rather pray for this:
How can I serve you Lord? and also for this:
How can I serve my brethren?

God (the Father) went on to explain how the whole ministry of his Son was service and sacrifice for the welfare and benefit of others, and that we needed to learn of this too.
Our Father was admonishing us that most of our prayers were for just ourselves, I want, I need, give me and so on.
God went on to talk about Paul and how he dedicated his life to serve the gospel and his fellow saints.

Col 1:9 And so, from the day we heard, we have not ceased to pray for you, asking that you may be filled with the knowledge of his will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding,
1Thess 5:25 Brothers, pray for us.
2Thess 1:11 To this end we always pray for you, that our God may make you worthy of his calling and may fulfill every resolve for good and every work of faith by his power,
2Thess 3:1 Finally, brothers, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may speed ahead and be honoured, as happened among you,

Romans 15:26 For Macedonia and Achaia have been pleased to make some contribution for the poor among the saints at Jerusalem.
15:27 For they were pleased to do it, and indeed they owe it to them. For if the Gentiles have come to share in their spiritual blessings, they ought also to be of service to them in material blessings.
 
There is no other than Jesus for us. You are not at fault in being afraid, it takes great faith to trust in the Holy Spirit, and most christians are indeed the "sheep" of His pasture. He knows our every weakness, and being sheep is one of them. He loves us anyway. I was very fearful when I was younger, fearful of nearly everything, a prime candidate for the evil one to manipulate. A true sheep. Not all evil that befell me came from evil spirits though, mankind is filled with darkness of its own making. When I was just a child, evil spirits came to me shortly after I turned 10 years old, and I was soooo scared, they seemed happy and went away just after a few minutes. But it shook me to the core. And they did leave their mark on me, the fear only increased from that time onward till the Lord helped me to overcome those fears.

I was a deep deep pacifist. The Lord directed me into the military, how could He do such a thing? But while in service, I meet people of great faith and knowledge of scripture, they helped me more than any pastor had before or after. So He had a purpose, even though I could not see it, and I didnt like having to do it, but it was like a burning in my soul, either accept the Lords will for me or be lost. So I trusted the Lord more than my fears, though they were great. He allowed me to leave military service after 8 1/2 years.

Many other amazing things has happened to me, some amazingly great, some very hard. Once the Lord wanted to rebuke 2 people and although I was willing to do so to the man (it was a man and a woman), the woman was a great encourager of others, and at least seemed to be very loving of all (on another christian msg board). I told the Lord to get someone else (pretty rebellious, huh), because I didnt want to hurt her. My thoughts were that there were always plenty of people that like to find fault, He could use them. I felt a pressure upon me for about 1 1/2 weeks that I needed to do it, sort of like Jonah was to do so. A miracle happened to me that made me realize I needed to do it, and I told the Lord I would do it, and it worked out for the best. God knows best even when we dont. I came up with reasoning that scripturally speaking, I shouldnt have rebuked her, and did the same about not joining the military. But guess what... the Holy Spirit is a burning fire that cannot be quenched. And its a good thing. Even today, I ask the Lord at least weekly to treat me like a good son, and discipline me when needed, to show me the way to go.

Scripture can lead you to water, but it cant make you drink. You must be thirsty to drink. You must see the water as good for you or you will always fear of the water and find reasons, even biblical reasons to not drink. Why do you think Jesus talked about leaving the earth and giving the Holy Spirit to guide them in all things? They were afraid that without Jesus, without the word of God made flesh before them, they would fail miserably. So Jesus told us about the guide the Holy Spirit was to be for us in all things.

Scripture is very very very important. It is the "Word of God", but it does not record all words that God has spoken or will speak. When he speaks to you or to me, if it is the Holy Spirit, then it also is the Word of God. Indeed if scripture clearly goes against what spiritual msg is given, its not from God, and mans fear is.... its better to just not trust in any spirit. So they dont learn to see the differences between a lying spirit and one from the Lord. I would teach no man if it were left up to me. They truly dont want to learn from me, and I dont "want" them to learn from me, I just want them to learn to trust the Holy Spirit.
And guess what? Those 2 people I rebuked, the woman that I didnt want to rebuke the most, she ended up being the one who needed the rebuking the most, she still resides in darkness and I continue to pray that God do whatever it takes to convince her to come into the light. Although I am not positive about the man, I think the rebuke did help some with him. They were both christians who were part of some organization with ulterior motives, but were living lies to forward their agenda. They believed their organization was important, they loved God, I felt their zeal, but they thought it was okay to deceive others as they were. I know they had scripture that pointed to how it was okay in some situations.
 
I can observe that there is a lot of confusion about the ministries given by Jesus (Ephesians 4:11-16) through the Holy Spirit to the Spirit-filled church.
Now Paul the apostle in the epistles writes much to give clarity and discipline to the conduct of the churches and the lives of disciples.
Thus in 1Corinthians 12 Paul elaborates on how these ministries are to work through the giving of nine gifts of the Holy Spirit to the body of Christ.
Prophets and prophesying are for those who are filled (baptised) in the Holy Spirit and can all speak in tongues.
1Corinthians 14 lays out how to operate the gift of prophecy decently and in order for the exhorting and edifying of the body of believers present at a service meeting.

1Corinthians 14:26 What is it then, brethren? When ye come together, each hath a psalm, hath a teaching, hath a revelation, hath a tongue, hath an interpretation. Let all things be unto edifying.
14:27 If any speaks in a tongue, let it be by two, or at the most three, and in turn; and let one interpret:
14:28 but if there be no interpreter, let him be silent in church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
14:29 And let prophets speak by two or three, and let the others discern.
14:30 But if a revelation be made to another sitting by, let the first be silent.
14:31 For ye all can prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be exhorted;
14:32 (and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets;
14:33 for God is not a God of confusion, but of peace), as in all the churches of the saints.

The gifts of prophecy are for use in a church meeting after the operating of the gifts of tongues and interpretation; and this is how we do it according to scripture, in The Revival Fellowship.
Prophecy is certainly not fortune-telling, but rather Godly advice about our walk and our faith and what we need to do that is not up to standard.
Of late though there have been many warnings about strengthening ourselves and holding fast to what we have because the days are short.
Listening to the voice gifts of the Holy Spirit for the first time some 26 years ago convicted me of the presence and truth of God in the Pentecostal church that I attended to check them out.
Fantastic, You nail it!,
Ephesians 4: 11-16).
11And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherdsc and teachers,d 12to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, 13UNTIL we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood,e to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, 14so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes. 15Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, 16from whom the whole body, joined and held together by every joint with which it is equipped, when each part is working properly, makes the body grow so that it builds itself up in love.

Finally Now we all have a New Testament Manuscript to Read! And this is accomplish, BY the "Written Word" that also became flesh. [ For our Generation have, "The Written Word", "The Revealed WORD" and "The Living WORD"! But still , most think JESUS is not enough, and need to be "Improved"!
(Mark 12)BSB
"Finally, having one beloved son, he sent him to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said. But the tenants said to one another, ‘This is the heir.Come, let us kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.’ So they seized the son, killed him, and threw him out of the vineyard"
[and set up their own "standard].

PS What brings unity of the faith and knowledge of the Son of GOD to mature manhood? The Written WORD of GOD!
 
And guess what? Those 2 people I rebuked, the woman that I didnt want to rebuke the most, she ended up being the one who needed the rebuking the most, she still resides in darkness and I continue to pray that God do whatever it takes to convince her to come into the light. Although I am not positive about the man, I think the rebuke did help some with him. They were both christians who were part of some organization with ulterior motives, but were living lies to forward their agenda. They believed their organization was important, they loved God, I felt their zeal, but they thought it was okay to deceive others as they were. I know they had scripture that pointed to how it was okay in some situations.
Deception might be okay under certain circumstances, but those must be rare occurrences. Take Rahab when she deceived those looking for the Israeli spies, or the midwives when they refused to kill the Jews newborn males, or the family of Corrie ten Boom during the Nazi holocaust of European Jews.

I know some seventh day adventists who pass out literature on healthy vegan eating along with invitations to monthly meetings that claim to be for the sole purpose of introducing people to the vegan lifestyle. They never identify themselves as SDA or let people know that their ultimate goal is to convince you to join their assembly. Once the meetings begin, they quickly turn to SDA propaganda and the teachings of Ellen G. White, and always claim that if you aren't SDA, you aren't part of the one true remnant church.

I prefer to be whacked over the head with absolute truth than to be lulled in by seductive niceties that lead to outright heresy.
 
Deception might be okay under certain circumstances, but those must be rare occurrences. Take Rahab when she deceived those looking for the Israeli spies, or the midwives when they refused to kill the Jews newborn males, or the family of Corrie ten Boom during the Nazi holocaust of European Jews.

I know some seventh day adventists who pass out literature on healthy vegan eating along with invitations to monthly meetings that claim to be for the sole purpose of introducing people to the vegan lifestyle. They never identify themselves as SDA or let people know that their ultimate goal is to convince you to join their assembly. Once the meetings begin, they quickly turn to SDA propaganda and the teachings of Ellen G. White, and always claim that if you aren't SDA, you aren't part of the one true remnant church.

I prefer to be whacked over the head with absolute truth than to be lulled in by seductive niceties that lead to outright heresy.
Yep, sometimes deception is allowed by God, but people can use situations like that to forward an agenda that only darkens the heart of the deceiver, and the Holy Spirit is the one who told me. Never told me "what" the deception was, just that it wasnt healthy.
 
A statement on standards in prophecy was released on Friday. It has a lot to say about how the ministry of a prophet relates to other ministries in the church, on accountability, inerrancy and repentance. It's long, so I'll copy it in full in the next post. Interested in reflections on the issues it raises.


To prophesy is to declare the will of God as it is written called prophecy therefore we are lovingly comanded not to add to the perfect or complete or taking away from it as it is written .

It is sealed with 7 seven until the end of time. There are no laws missing by which we could know our God more intimately.

The father of lies or god of this world system is still bring with all lying power new lies as experiences to wonders after .

2 Thessalonians 2:8-10 King James Version (KJV) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:


We are warned before the last book was written what we had in part , Today for the last 2000 plus years we have in whole or perfect, face to face .

Mathew 24:22-26 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.


In that way because we have the perfect any claim after the last book was written we can simply ignore. . . as it is writen will cause the father of lies to flee.
 
PROPHETIC STANDARDS STATEMENT

At a time when there are many questions in the Body concerning the gift of prophecy and the ministry of the prophet, and in light of the needs of local pastors as well as individual believers to have practical guidelines for processing prophetic words, as Pentecostal and Charismatic leaders, we felt that now was the opportune moment to produce this current document.

It is not the purpose of this statement to condemn or accuse. Instead, our purpose is to help provide scriptural guidelines for the operation of the gift of prophecy and the functioning of the ministry of the prophet, while at the same time affirming the importance of these gifts and ministries.


WE BELIEVE that the gifts of the Holy Spirit, including the gift of prophecy and the ministry of the prophet, are essential for the edification of the Body of Christ and the work of the ministry, which is why Scripture exhorts us to earnestly desire spiritual gifts, especially that we may prophesy (see 1 Cor. 14:1, 39). Prophetic ministry is of great importance to the Church and must be encouraged, welcomed, and nurtured.

WE BELIEVE it is essential to create an environment in which prophecy can flourish, side by side with the other gifts of the Spirit and together with apostolic, evangelistic, pastoral, and teaching ministries. To create this environment, we need to encourage freedom in the Spirit in a faith-filled atmosphere, making room for spontaneous utterances as the Spirit wills. But all this must be done with proper accountability and oversight.

WE BELIEVE that the general function of the gift of prophecy, as it relates to the church, has to do with edification, exhortation, and comfort (see 1 Cor. 14:3). As this gift relates to unbelievers, it can reveal the secrets of their hearts and bring them to repentance, demonstrating God’s reality to them (see 1 Cor. 14:24-25).

WE BELIEVE that the essence of the spirit of prophecy is the testimony of Jesus, hence the ultimate goal of prophetic ministry is to exalt the lordship of Jesus Christ, even though we recognize that not every prophetic word will specifically point to Him (see Rev. 19:10; 1 Cor. 12:3).

WE BELIEVE in the five-fold ministry of the prophet, recognizing that such prophets will also be used to bring correction, instruction, and directional clarity to the Body, but not independent of other leaders, and therefore different from the model of the independent Old Testament prophet.

WE RECOGNIZE that prophets do not serve as spiritual fortune tellers or prognosticators, nor is their role to satisfy our curiosity about the future or reveal abstract information. God’s purpose in prophecy is redemptive, calling for repentance, giving supernatural guidance, bringing comfort, deliverance, restoration, and glorifying Jesus as Lord.

WE RECOGNIZE that, due to the nature of prophetic ministry, some prophetic words can be submitted for evaluation before they are delivered while other words will be evaluated after they are delivered. But in all situations, those claiming to speak for God should welcome the godly evaluation of their prophecies.

WE BELIEVE that prophecies should first be tested by the Word, then if the prophetic word is not contrary to the Scriptures, it should be evaluated by other mature leaders. If a prophecy is given in the context of a local church, then mature leaders in that setting should evaluate it. If a prophecy is given in the context of a region or nation, then mature regional or national leaders should be invited to evaluate the word (see 1 Cor. 14:29; 1 Thes. 5:19-21). Those who refuse to have their words tested should not be given a platform.

WE RECOGNIZE that prophets receive supernatural revelation from God, but they are also dependent on other five-fold ministry leaders for the interpretation and application of the revelations they receive. It is the Lord’s will that all these various ministry gifts, including the ministry of the prophet, work in harmony rather than independently. Only then will the Body come into full health and maturity.

WE RECOGNIZE the unique challenges posed by the internet and social media, as anyone claiming to be a prophet can release a word to the general public without any accountability or even responsibility. While it is not possible to stop the flood of such words online, we urge all believers to check the lives and fruit of those they follow online and also see if they are part of a local church body and have true accountability for their public ministries and personal lives. We also urge prophetic ministers posting unfiltered and untested words purportedly from the Lord to first submit those words to peer leaders for evaluation.

WE AGREE that Scripture instructs us not to despise prophecies but to examine prophetic utterances carefully and to hold fast to that which is good (1 Thes. 5:19-21). This also means that we should cultivate honor and respect for true prophetic ministries rather than an attitude of skepticism or scorn.

WE BELIEVE that all spiritual leaders, including those serving as prophetic ministers, should be vetted and qualified by their respective churches, networks, or movements based on the standards of leadership set forth by Paul the apostle as found in 1 Timothy 3:1-8; Titus 1:5-9.

WE BELIEVE that all spiritual leaders, including five-fold ministry prophets, should be above reproach and should live a life worthy of their calling (see Eph. 4:1-3). Consequently, we believe that prophetic leaders whose lives violate the moral and ethical standards of the Word disqualify themselves from the ministry irrespective of how much influence or anointing they have.

WE ALSO AGREE that the greatest requirement for all leaders in the church, including prophetic leaders, is to endeavor to reflect the character of Christ and to utilize their gifts out of love for God, His people, and the lost (1 Cor. 13:2; Rom. 8:29).

WE VALUE humility, integrity, and accuracy in prophetic ministry in order to protect the faith and trust of those who hear a word that is stated to be from God. It is a sacred thing to claim to speak for the Lord and, in keeping with the words of Jesus, to whom much is given, much is required (see Luke 12:48). And just as those who teach are held to a higher standard of accountability (see Jam. 3:1), so also those who prophesy should be held to a higher standard. They can have a powerful influence over people’s lives for better or worse, because of which we urge sobriety and circumspection together with faith and boldness.

WE UNDERSTAND that prophecies can be conditional and that many prophecies will take time to come to pass. We also recognize that prophetic language is often mysterious and symbolic, requiring interpretation and insight. This means that prophecies that do not contradict the Bible or that are not contrary to fact should be evaluated over time and not immediately rejected.

On the other hand, if a prophetic word is delivered containing specific details and dates in which the stated prophetic word will come to pass and that prophecy contains no conditions to be met in order to be fulfilled, and that word does not come to pass as prophesied, then the one who delivered the word must be willing to take full responsibility, demonstrating genuine contrition before God and people.

Any statement of apology and/or explanation/clarification should be delivered to the audience to whom the erroneous word was given. For example, if it was given to an individual, the apology (and/or explanation/clarification) should be delivered to the individual. If the word was delivered publicly, then a public apology (and/or explanation/clarification) should be presented. This is not meant to be a punishment but rather a mature act of love to protect the honor of the Lord, the integrity of prophetic ministry, and the faith of those to whom the word was given.

WE BELIEVE it is essential that all spiritual leaders, including prophetic leaders, have a presbytery of peers and seasoned spiritual leaders who can hold them accountable regarding their life and ministry. In keeping with this, we reject the notion that to judge a prophet’s words is a violation of Psalm 105:15 (where God exhorted the ancient nations not to touch the patriarchs or harm His prophets). Prophets who err must be willing to receive correction from peer leaders with whom they are in accountable relationship. Those refusing such accountability should not be welcomed for ministry.

WE RECOGNIZE that true prophetic words can be faith-building and can sometimes call for a faith-filled response, but we reject the idea that prophets can use Old Testament texts about believing the prophets in order to gain blanket support for their words, as if everything a prophet utters today must be believed. To the contrary, we can only believe the prophetic word if it is not contrary to Scripture, it is not factually in error, and our own spirits bear witness with it. Only then can we add our faith to that word coming to pass (see 1 Tim. 1:18).

Those wanting to use Old Testament prophetic texts to exercise influence or authority over their followers should remember that inaccurate prophecy under that same Old Testament standard was punishable by death. New Testament prophets, along with other New Testament ministry leaders, do not lord it over their people or demand submission and faith. Instead, in humility, they serve the flock (see 1 Pet. 5:1-4).

WE REJECT any threatening words from prophets today, warning their followers that judgment will fall on them if they fail to obey the prophet’s words. We see this as a dangerous form of spiritual manipulation.

WE REJECT the spiritual manipulation of the prophetic gift for the personal benefit of the prophet or of his or her ministry, whether to garner favor, power, or financial gain. And under no circumstances can a prophet charge money to deliver a prophetic word. This is spiritual abuse of the worst kind and is detestable in God’s sight.

WE REJECT the notion that a contemporary prophetic word is on the same level of inspiration or authority as Scripture or that God always speaks inerrantly through prophets today, since the Bible says we only know in part and prophesy in part (1 Cor. 13:9). It is the written Word alone that can lay claim to being “the Word of God” (2 Tim. 3:16); prophecies, at best, are “a word from the Lord,” to be tested by the Word of God.

Finally, while we believe in holding prophets accountable for their words, in accordance with the Scriptures, we do not believe that a sincere prophet who delivers an inaccurate message is therefore a false prophet. Instead, as Jesus explained, and as the Old Testament emphasized, false prophets are wolves in sheep’s clothing, in contrast to true believers who might speak inaccurately (see Matt. 7:15-20; Jer. 23:9-40; Ezek. 13:23). Thus a false prophet is someone who operates under a false spirit masquerading as the Holy Spirit.

WE THEREFORE RECOGNIZE distinctions between a believer who gives an inaccurate prophecy (in which case they should acknowledge their error), a believer who consistently prophesies inaccurately (in which case we recognize that this person is not a prophet and we urge them to stop prophesying), and a false prophet (whom we recognize as a false believer, a lost soul, calling them to repent and be saved).

Because God’s gifts and calling are irrevocable (see Rom. 11:29), we understand that a person who has been prophetically gifted might be able to function in that gifting even though they are no longer in right relationship with God. That is why it is imperative that we judge a prophet by the fruit of their life and ministry rather than by their gift, also recognizing that there are some who started right but will be rejected in the end (see Matt. 7:21-23)
The only problem i see in this is the limiting of God . Setting God into a box and thinking that is all there is .

Prophets of God are all over the place , from the Extreem of Sampson to the other Extreem of Elijah, and the future extreem of the Two Witnesses.

If you can not acknowledge and accept the Holy Spirit confirming my special gift to all . The snow block on your roof. It is only that you lack the faith to recognize when the Holy Spirit speaks to you.
Because it will come when you most need it.

Whether you keep it will be up to you. While on the roof, it can not be explained. It will not melt, it will not hurt your roof, it will deify logic.

But you can scrape off the snow and melt it on the stove.

To keep it, you have to share it. If you do not share it, it will be gone in 24 hrs. Just like the plant in Jonah , it grew up in a day to shade Jonah from the hot sun, and to sooth his ill humor.
 
To prophesy is to declare the will of God as it is written called prophecy therefore we are lovingly comanded not to add to the perfect or complete or taking away from it as it is written .

It is sealed with 7 seven until the end of time. There are no laws missing by which we could know our God more intimately.

The father of lies or god of this world system is still bring with all lying power new lies as experiences to wonders after .

2 Thessalonians 2:8-10 King James Version (KJV) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:


We are warned before the last book was written what we had in part , Today for the last 2000 plus years we have in whole or perfect, face to face .

Mathew 24:22-26 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.


In that way because we have the perfect any claim after the last book was written we can simply ignore. . . as it is writen will cause the father of lies to flee.
It is true that the devil will cause strong delusions. It is why you all must work on learning how to use the Gift of Discernment. And to recognize God's peace in your heart
 
Yep, sometimes deception is allowed by God, but people can use situations like that to forward an agenda that only darkens the heart of the deceiver, and the Holy Spirit is the one who told me. Never told me "what" the deception was, just that it wasnt healthy.
You will recognize it, because in your love for God, it will make you sick
 
PROPHETIC STANDARDS STATEMENT

At a time when there are many questions in the Body concerning the gift of prophecy and the ministry of the prophet, and in light of the needs of local pastors as well as individual believers to have practical guidelines for processing prophetic words, as Pentecostal and Charismatic leaders, we felt that now was the opportune moment to produce this current document.

It is not the purpose of this statement to condemn or accuse. Instead, our purpose is to help provide scriptural guidelines for the operation of the gift of prophecy and the functioning of the ministry of the prophet, while at the same time affirming the importance of these gifts and ministries.


WE BELIEVE that the gifts of the Holy Spirit, including the gift of prophecy and the ministry of the prophet, are essential for the edification of the Body of Christ and the work of the ministry, which is why Scripture exhorts us to earnestly desire spiritual gifts, especially that we may prophesy (see 1 Cor. 14:1, 39). Prophetic ministry is of great importance to the Church and must be encouraged, welcomed, and nurtured.

WE BELIEVE it is essential to create an environment in which prophecy can flourish, side by side with the other gifts of the Spirit and together with apostolic, evangelistic, pastoral, and teaching ministries. To create this environment, we need to encourage freedom in the Spirit in a faith-filled atmosphere, making room for spontaneous utterances as the Spirit wills. But all this must be done with proper accountability and oversight.

WE BELIEVE that the general function of the gift of prophecy, as it relates to the church, has to do with edification, exhortation, and comfort (see 1 Cor. 14:3). As this gift relates to unbelievers, it can reveal the secrets of their hearts and bring them to repentance, demonstrating God’s reality to them (see 1 Cor. 14:24-25).

WE BELIEVE that the essence of the spirit of prophecy is the testimony of Jesus, hence the ultimate goal of prophetic ministry is to exalt the lordship of Jesus Christ, even though we recognize that not every prophetic word will specifically point to Him (see Rev. 19:10; 1 Cor. 12:3).

WE BELIEVE in the five-fold ministry of the prophet, recognizing that such prophets will also be used to bring correction, instruction, and directional clarity to the Body, but not independent of other leaders, and therefore different from the model of the independent Old Testament prophet.

WE RECOGNIZE that prophets do not serve as spiritual fortune tellers or prognosticators, nor is their role to satisfy our curiosity about the future or reveal abstract information. God’s purpose in prophecy is redemptive, calling for repentance, giving supernatural guidance, bringing comfort, deliverance, restoration, and glorifying Jesus as Lord.

WE RECOGNIZE that, due to the nature of prophetic ministry, some prophetic words can be submitted for evaluation before they are delivered while other words will be evaluated after they are delivered. But in all situations, those claiming to speak for God should welcome the godly evaluation of their prophecies.

WE BELIEVE that prophecies should first be tested by the Word, then if the prophetic word is not contrary to the Scriptures, it should be evaluated by other mature leaders. If a prophecy is given in the context of a local church, then mature leaders in that setting should evaluate it. If a prophecy is given in the context of a region or nation, then mature regional or national leaders should be invited to evaluate the word (see 1 Cor. 14:29; 1 Thes. 5:19-21). Those who refuse to have their words tested should not be given a platform.

WE RECOGNIZE that prophets receive supernatural revelation from God, but they are also dependent on other five-fold ministry leaders for the interpretation and application of the revelations they receive. It is the Lord’s will that all these various ministry gifts, including the ministry of the prophet, work in harmony rather than independently. Only then will the Body come into full health and maturity.

WE RECOGNIZE the unique challenges posed by the internet and social media, as anyone claiming to be a prophet can release a word to the general public without any accountability or even responsibility. While it is not possible to stop the flood of such words online, we urge all believers to check the lives and fruit of those they follow online and also see if they are part of a local church body and have true accountability for their public ministries and personal lives. We also urge prophetic ministers posting unfiltered and untested words purportedly from the Lord to first submit those words to peer leaders for evaluation.

WE AGREE that Scripture instructs us not to despise prophecies but to examine prophetic utterances carefully and to hold fast to that which is good (1 Thes. 5:19-21). This also means that we should cultivate honor and respect for true prophetic ministries rather than an attitude of skepticism or scorn.

WE BELIEVE that all spiritual leaders, including those serving as prophetic ministers, should be vetted and qualified by their respective churches, networks, or movements based on the standards of leadership set forth by Paul the apostle as found in 1 Timothy 3:1-8; Titus 1:5-9.

WE BELIEVE that all spiritual leaders, including five-fold ministry prophets, should be above reproach and should live a life worthy of their calling (see Eph. 4:1-3). Consequently, we believe that prophetic leaders whose lives violate the moral and ethical standards of the Word disqualify themselves from the ministry irrespective of how much influence or anointing they have.

WE ALSO AGREE that the greatest requirement for all leaders in the church, including prophetic leaders, is to endeavor to reflect the character of Christ and to utilize their gifts out of love for God, His people, and the lost (1 Cor. 13:2; Rom. 8:29).

WE VALUE humility, integrity, and accuracy in prophetic ministry in order to protect the faith and trust of those who hear a word that is stated to be from God. It is a sacred thing to claim to speak for the Lord and, in keeping with the words of Jesus, to whom much is given, much is required (see Luke 12:48). And just as those who teach are held to a higher standard of accountability (see Jam. 3:1), so also those who prophesy should be held to a higher standard. They can have a powerful influence over people’s lives for better or worse, because of which we urge sobriety and circumspection together with faith and boldness.

WE UNDERSTAND that prophecies can be conditional and that many prophecies will take time to come to pass. We also recognize that prophetic language is often mysterious and symbolic, requiring interpretation and insight. This means that prophecies that do not contradict the Bible or that are not contrary to fact should be evaluated over time and not immediately rejected.

On the other hand, if a prophetic word is delivered containing specific details and dates in which the stated prophetic word will come to pass and that prophecy contains no conditions to be met in order to be fulfilled, and that word does not come to pass as prophesied, then the one who delivered the word must be willing to take full responsibility, demonstrating genuine contrition before God and people.

Any statement of apology and/or explanation/clarification should be delivered to the audience to whom the erroneous word was given. For example, if it was given to an individual, the apology (and/or explanation/clarification) should be delivered to the individual. If the word was delivered publicly, then a public apology (and/or explanation/clarification) should be presented. This is not meant to be a punishment but rather a mature act of love to protect the honor of the Lord, the integrity of prophetic ministry, and the faith of those to whom the word was given.

WE BELIEVE it is essential that all spiritual leaders, including prophetic leaders, have a presbytery of peers and seasoned spiritual leaders who can hold them accountable regarding their life and ministry. In keeping with this, we reject the notion that to judge a prophet’s words is a violation of Psalm 105:15 (where God exhorted the ancient nations not to touch the patriarchs or harm His prophets). Prophets who err must be willing to receive correction from peer leaders with whom they are in accountable relationship. Those refusing such accountability should not be welcomed for ministry.

WE RECOGNIZE that true prophetic words can be faith-building and can sometimes call for a faith-filled response, but we reject the idea that prophets can use Old Testament texts about believing the prophets in order to gain blanket support for their words, as if everything a prophet utters today must be believed. To the contrary, we can only believe the prophetic word if it is not contrary to Scripture, it is not factually in error, and our own spirits bear witness with it. Only then can we add our faith to that word coming to pass (see 1 Tim. 1:18).

Those wanting to use Old Testament prophetic texts to exercise influence or authority over their followers should remember that inaccurate prophecy under that same Old Testament standard was punishable by death. New Testament prophets, along with other New Testament ministry leaders, do not lord it over their people or demand submission and faith. Instead, in humility, they serve the flock (see 1 Pet. 5:1-4).

WE REJECT any threatening words from prophets today, warning their followers that judgment will fall on them if they fail to obey the prophet’s words. We see this as a dangerous form of spiritual manipulation.

WE REJECT the spiritual manipulation of the prophetic gift for the personal benefit of the prophet or of his or her ministry, whether to garner favor, power, or financial gain. And under no circumstances can a prophet charge money to deliver a prophetic word. This is spiritual abuse of the worst kind and is detestable in God’s sight.

WE REJECT the notion that a contemporary prophetic word is on the same level of inspiration or authority as Scripture or that God always speaks inerrantly through prophets today, since the Bible says we only know in part and prophesy in part (1 Cor. 13:9). It is the written Word alone that can lay claim to being “the Word of God” (2 Tim. 3:16); prophecies, at best, are “a word from the Lord,” to be tested by the Word of God.

Finally, while we believe in holding prophets accountable for their words, in accordance with the Scriptures, we do not believe that a sincere prophet who delivers an inaccurate message is therefore a false prophet. Instead, as Jesus explained, and as the Old Testament emphasized, false prophets are wolves in sheep’s clothing, in contrast to true believers who might speak inaccurately (see Matt. 7:15-20; Jer. 23:9-40; Ezek. 13:23). Thus a false prophet is someone who operates under a false spirit masquerading as the Holy Spirit.

WE THEREFORE RECOGNIZE distinctions between a believer who gives an inaccurate prophecy (in which case they should acknowledge their error), a believer who consistently prophesies inaccurately (in which case we recognize that this person is not a prophet and we urge them to stop prophesying), and a false prophet (whom we recognize as a false believer, a lost soul, calling them to repent and be saved).

Because God’s gifts and calling are irrevocable (see Rom. 11:29), we understand that a person who has been prophetically gifted might be able to function in that gifting even though they are no longer in right relationship with God. That is why it is imperative that we judge a prophet by the fruit of their life and ministry rather than by their gift, also recognizing that there are some who started right but will be rejected in the end (see Matt. 7:21-23)
What happens when the Prophet does not conform to the idealistic reality of the above form. As in the Two Witnesses, who Are God's Prophets.

As scripture states , they will be hated .

And as there will be no run away train to Heaven, or excape plan to Heaven prior to the poop hitting the fan . With the only exception that Christian who are humble and walk in the Lord, will not get God's Just Anger. ( Christians , i. E. Follower's of Jesus, who are not humble an do not follow in Jesus footsteps, will be punished worse than the pagens and the rest of the world. Because they know better )

Im interested in your responce to this.
 
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