Prophetic Standards Statement

[Mayflower]

Being a prophet isnt limited to just visions etc. Being a prophet is one who helps others in the here and now. So your ministry of working with children is also that of a teacher/ prophet .

I just want to help others... Serve God. Just keeping my focus on Jesus can sometimes be hard. Easy to get distracted.

 

[Bill]

I just want to help others... Serve God. Just keeping my focus on Jesus can sometimes be hard. Easy to get distracted.

The darkness likes to distract us. Thier whole focus is separating you from God

A friend told me once, a good way to know you are on the right track, is by the amount of distraction thrown your way.

When you are distracted, just ask Jesus to protect you from it

and give thanks that He does!


Bless you ....><>

 

[Bob Carabbio]

What is five-fold ministry?

Eph 4:11
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

 

[Bob Carabbio]

WE REJECT the notion that a contemporary prophetic word is on the same level of inspiration or authority as Scripture or that God always speaks inerrantly through prophets today, since the Bible says we only know in part and prophesy in part (1 Cor. 13:9). It is the written Word alone that can lay claim to being “the Word of God” (2 Tim. 3:16); prophecies, at best, are “a word from the Lord,” to be tested by the Word of God.

This is a contradictory statement. Prophesy is God SPEAKING THROUGH a human to a selected audience. The Scriptures are, in fact, largely Prophetic utterances preserved in written form.

And since GOD'S WORD is whatever God SAYS, then there's no reason to denigrate HIS WORD to a second class position, WHEN PROPERLY JUDGED BY OTHERS (according to Paul's instruction).

The Bible promises that when two or three AGREE (i.e. have received the SAME WORD from God), then the Word is REAL. When somebody asks ME to "AGREE" with them in prayer I say "Sorry" I can't DO that sort of Agreement - unless I hear from God about it.

The "Contemporary prophetic Word", when properly manifested and judged Biblically, is every bit as authoritative as Scripture. OBVIOUSLY if "Contemporary Prophesy" DOES NOT AGREE with the Written WORD, then it's invalid,

HOWEVER, It may very well disagree with this or that Denominational Man-created Theology. The "Reformation" is an excellent example of this.

 

[Bill]

This is a contradictory statement. Prophesy is God SPEAKING THROUGH a human to a selected audience. The Scriptures are, in fact, largely Prophetic utterances preserved in written form.

And since GOD'S WORD is whatever God SAYS, then there's no reason to denigrate HIS WORD to a second class position, WHEN PROPERLY JUDGED BY OTHERS (according to Paul's instruction).

The Bible promises that when two or three AGREE (i.e. have received the SAME WORD from God), then the Word is REAL. When somebody asks ME to "AGREE" with them in prayer I say "Sorry" I can't DO that sort of Agreement - unless I hear from God about it.

The "Contemporary prophetic Word", when properly manifested and judged Biblically, is every bit as authoritative as Scripture. OBVIOUSLY if "Contemporary Prophesy" DOES NOT AGREE with the Written WORD, then it's invalid,

HOWEVER, It may very well disagree with this or that Denominational Man-created Theology. The "Reformation" is an excellent example of this.

But the question that comes to mind. When you read the scripture , you comprehend it at the level you are at. And when i read scripture i understand it where i am at.

So when i see " prophetic " words , i may not agree with it, and if you see the same , you might accept it.

So who can make that judgement ?
Based soley on the Bible.

This is why it is so important to keep building up that Gift of Discernment.

Its just like recognizing the urging of the Holy Spirit. If you never experienced it, how would you know what to look for.

Look at Elijah. With the storm, he knew God wasnt there, but he recognized the wispering wind

 

[Dave M]

This is why it is so important to keep building up that Gift of Discernment.

the way you do this is by reading Gods word and praying, these along with fasting are gifts from God , that many people lack to use.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

But the question that comes to mind. When you read the scripture , you comprehend it at the level you are at. And when i read scripture i understand it where i am at.

And NEITHER LEVEL is, in and of itself, a valid standard for ANYTHING. That's how "Educated Theologians" produce their religious confusion.

So when i see " prophetic " words , i may not agree with it, and if you see the same , you might accept it.

Although Jesus says the HIS SHEEP KNOW HIS VOICE - do you disagree?

So who can make that judgement ?[/quoite]

Paul commanded that PROPHETIC WORDS be subject to JUDGING by "Others" (other prophets). If a prophetic word" goes AGAINST the Biblical record, then it's easily discarded. If it goes against a "Denominational theology", then that wouldn't be a disqualification, and James 1 promises WISDOM abundantly - AS LONG AS ONE SEEKS IT SINGLE MINDEDLY. I believe that to be a TRUE PROMISE.

This is why it is so important to keep building up that Gift of Discernment.

It's the gift of "Discerning of SPIRITS", not "Discernment". Discerning of Spirits would illuminate the SOURCE of "prophetic pronouncements". The Charisma doesn't have to be "Built up" it only has to be recognized and acted on.

Its just like recognizing the urging of the Holy Spirit. If you never experienced it, how would you know what to look for.

So you don't believe that "We'll know His Voice" like He says we will?? I've never had a problem KNOWING when the Holy Spirit is speaking to me. Sometimes I haven't appreciated His Corrections when they HURT.

Look at Elijah. With the storm, he knew God wasnt there, but he recognized the wispering wind

And how do you suppose he did that?? How do you know when you're CONVICTED OF SIN, and of JUDGEMENT that it's God??

 

[Bill]

the way you do this is by reading Gods word and praying, these along with fasting are gifts from God , that many people lack to use.

tell me Dave can you recognize the movement of the Spirit even when you don't expect it ?

You can read a manual study books and learn everything there is to know about the human body and the mind. But even after all of that a person like doctor Patch Adams is the one that discovered laughter was actually the best medicine.

I'm telling you this because all the study in the world will not even compared to the reality of using the gifts of the Spirit.

And when we look at people like Elijah who recognized the Whispering Wind it's because of his experience with the spirit that he understood that.

 

[Bill]

And NEITHER LEVEL is, in and of itself, a valid standard for ANYTHING. That's how "Educated Theologians" produce their religious confusion.



Although Jesus says the HIS SHEEP KNOW HIS VOICE - do you disagree?

there is a difference between you and I and that is that I agree with denominations because that is important otherwise you have every individual person coming up with their own belief system and it turns into a a Schism for every single person out there.

Now if you call yourself a non-denominational it's kind of a funny statement to be honest because if you look up in the Webster's Dictionary what a denomination is you will find it reads two people having the same basic philosophical ideas. So basically you call yourself non denominational and in reality you are a denomination.

However if you think that you're thinking is singular and you're thinking is the right way then you caused a Schism within yourself which is a separation from everybody else.

The body of Christ which is one in Christ has the same basic ideas the same core thinking.

Now I can tell you but it doesn't matter if a person is Methodist Baptist Catholic Lutheran Presbyterian or any of the other Christian denominations it doesn't matter because they all have the same core thinking. Whether you wish to accept this or not is beside the point. And whether you wish to accept any of the ones listed or not is also beside the point.

Because it's not up to you to determine if a whole church or not is in the Lord. What Jesus stated was if they are with us they are not against us. And anyone who stands against that stands against God.

Now I hear it all the time that people say I follow the Bible I found the Bible I found the Bible the truth is you do not unless you can accept the fact athat Jesus stated here if they are with us they are not against us.

So I stand as a witness to the truth.

 

[Dave M]

tell me Dave can you recognize the movement of the Spirit even when you don't expect it ?

My brother if God wants my attention do you really think he can not get it?? If God has something to show me do you really think he is unable to get my attention? to answer your question directly YES the Holly spirit comes mostly at times when we do not expect him.

Quicky,,,,,, one time when I ignored his prompting, I ended up braking my collar bone, should of listened lesson learned, this was one of my first times realizing the Holly Spirit conviction.

Now its my turn to ask you a question Bill. Do you understand the the word of God is a gift from God to us?? Yet many do not use it.

Do you understand when I am talking about reading the word of God that we must be in the spirit to understand it ?? this is another gift from God.

Bill reading the word of God in the flesh will do us no good, it seems maybe that is what you are referring to maybe?? But your constant talk of the gifts over the word is alarming to me, maybe I have misunderstood you??

 

[Bill]

My brother if God wants my attention do you really think he can not get it?? If God has something to show me do you really think he is unable to get my attention? to answer your question directly YES the Holly spirit comes mostly at times when we do not expect him.

Quicky,,,,,, one time when I ignored his prompting, I ended up braking my collar bone, should of listened lesson learned, this was one of my first times realizing the Holly Spirit conviction.

Now its my turn to ask you a question Bill. Do you understand the the word of God is a gift from God to us?? Yet many do not use it.

Do you understand when I am talking about reading the word of God that we must be in the spirit to understand it ?? this is another gift from God.

Bill reading the word of God in the flesh will do us no good, it seems maybe that is what you are referring to maybe?? But your constant talk of the gifts over the word is alarming to me, maybe I have misunderstood you??

may God's love always fill us

Dave I do know your love for God and I know exactly where your heart is at. I just want you to know that in case you think that I'm coming down on you or something which I am not.

The Bible is God's love letter to us. And you're right to say that it is God's gift to us.

The Bible that is Jesus Among Us and Jesus tells us that he is the Cornerstone. It is Jesus who directs us to go to the Holy Spirit. And to learn from the Holy Spirit.

When we read or speak the word oh God it is the Holy Spirit that is speaking through us we may not recognize that but it is true. It is why Paul speaks about having a witness with him which is the spirit of God

Please forgive the text has its voice to text and it doesn't capitalize very well.

What I'm trying to point out about the gifts of the Holy Spirit is that the word should be living in US and the conviction of the Holy Spirit when it moves in us should be recognized.

Think of it like prayer. If you pray once a week it is like a challenge to do that because of distractions and all sorts of things. But if you build up a prayer life Warrior doing it every single day it becomes like breathing it's become second nature to who you are and you find that you are praying all the time.

The same is true with the discernment of the Holy Spirit. The more that is used the more that you experience it the more it becomes like second nature.

You could say the same thing is true with all the gifts of the Spirit that the more that they are used the more they become your second nature or your first nature with Jesus.

It could be said that you become the prayer

 

[Bill]

My brother if God wants my attention do you really think he can not get it?? If God has something to show me do you really think he is unable to get my attention? to answer your question directly YES the Holly spirit comes mostly at times when we do not expect him.

Quicky,,,,,, one time when I ignored his prompting, I ended up braking my collar bone, should of listened lesson learned, this was one of my first times realizing the Holly Spirit conviction.

Now its my turn to ask you a question Bill. Do you understand the the word of God is a gift from God to us?? Yet many do not use it.

Do you understand when I am talking about reading the word of God that we must be in the spirit to understand it ?? this is another gift from God.

Bill reading the word of God in the flesh will do us no good, it seems maybe that is what you are referring to maybe?? But your constant talk of the gifts over the word is alarming to me, maybe I have misunderstood you??

I just want you to know that reading the word anytime is a good thing. I know what you said about reading the word in the flesh. But you're missing something on a spiritual level, and that's basically anytime you read the Bible and it doesn't matter if you don't even believe in the Bible, the fact is that you're speaking the words of Jesus.

We may not ever see what takes place when you're quoting the words of Jesus, and I mean that as quoting the Bible. But there's always something good that comes from that

 

[Bob Carabbio]

there is a difference between you and I and that is that I agree with denominations because that is important otherwise you have every individual person coming up with their own belief system and it turns into a a Schism for every single person out there.

Instead of a shism bnetween every denominational group. Big improvement.

Now if you call yourself a non-denominational it's kind of a funny statement to be honest because if you look up in the Webster's Dictionary what a denomination is you will find it reads two people having the same basic philosophical ideas. So basically you call yourself non denominational and in reality you are a denomination.

But, of course, I'm not "Non-Denominational" as a member in good standing (for most of the last 58 years) of the Assemblies of God denomination.

The body of Christ which is one in Christ has the same basic ideas the same core thinking.

However NO DENOMINATIONAL BODY/Visible church accurately represents the TRUE "Body of Christ" on earth. Jesus' church is exclusively composed of Born Again folks from the beginning of the creation until the present, and until the end of the age.

So I stand as a witness to the truth.

And I trust you'll be very happy in your denomination, as I am in mine (except for the soft-rock music the play these days).

 

[Bill]

Instead of a shism bnetween every denominational group. Big improvement.



But, of course, I'm not "Non-Denominational" as a member in good standing (for most of the last 58 years) of the Assemblies of God denomination.



However NO DENOMINATIONAL BODY/Visible church accurately represents the TRUE "Body of Christ" on earth. Jesus' church is exclusively composed of Born Again folks from the beginning of the creation until the present, and until the end of the age.



And I trust you'll be very happy in your denomination, as I am in mine (except for the soft-rock music the play these days).

I think you miss my point . Core teaching is the same in all Christian churches , even the Catholics.

It is only when you get beyond Core teaching everything goes nuts.

For all the debating we do here, all denominations, all individual teaching and thinking, have no meaning in Heaven.

Its because we are all of one body is Jesus.

 

[Bill]

Instead of a shism bnetween every denominational group. Big improvement.



But, of course, I'm not "Non-Denominational" as a member in good standing (for most of the last 58 years) of the Assemblies of God denomination.



However NO DENOMINATIONAL BODY/Visible church accurately represents the TRUE "Body of Christ" on earth. Jesus' church is exclusively composed of Born Again folks from the beginning of the creation until the present, and until the end of the age.



And I trust you'll be very happy in your denomination, as I am in mine (except for the soft-rock music the play these days).

Im glad you have a good church, i have been to a few.

And i say this to everyone, you must learn to accept all that say they are a child of the Father. Whether Baptist, Assemblys Catholic any of the children. When i am saying children, they are all of you. The only truth that is real, comes from the heart. If you can not love your brothers and sisters , then how will you stand before the Father.

Jesus died on the cross for all, including the lost, even though He already knew they will remain lost. We too must follow Christ's example to love , unconditionally, with our hope in Jesus, that these lost may be found

 

[PloughBoy]

"Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."

Jeremiah 6:16
This is what the LORD says: "Stand at the crossroads and look. Ask for the ancient paths: 'Where is the good way?' Then walk in it, and you will find rest for your souls. But they said, 'We will not walk in it!'

"Then Jesus came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. As was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath. And when He stood up to read,THE scroll of the prophet Isaiah was HANDED to HIM. Unrolling it,.....HE found the place where it was written: ....“The Spirit of the Lord is on "ME", because "HE HAS" anointed "ME" to preach good news to the poor. "HE" has SENT ME to proclaim liberty to the captives AND recovery of sight to the blind, to release the oppressed,…"

(HEBREWS 1)BSB
"On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets. BUT IN THESE LAST DAYS,,,,,,,HE has spoken to us by His Son, whom HE appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.

The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature, upholding all things by His powerful word. After HE had provided purification for sins, HE ........sat down at the right hand of the MAJESTY ON HIGH. So HE Became as far superior to the angels as the name HE has inherited is excellent beyond theirs. For to which of the angels did God ever say:

“YOU ARE MY SON;"
today I have become Your Father”?

Or again:
“I will be His Father,
and He will be My Son”?

But so many christians claim they know JESUS, BUT by the words of many, I find many christians do not "KNOW" JESUS, they Know of HIM and some of the words HE has Spoken. BUT knowing JESUS,, THEY Don't know Him. MANY have been "BAPTIZE" by The SPIRIT of GOD and They know The Joy of The SPIRIT, But they Have FAILED to get to KNOW "The SON "and "The FATHER"! A lot are still running around like BUMBLE BEES, Boring a lot of HOLES and Never staying around LONG ENOUGH to Realize It is The HONEY and Not The "Buzzing" "MARTHA, MARTHA" you are "Trouble About Many Things"

"Prophetic Standards Statement"

Shame on all of YOU, Who wants or desire to Take "THE PLACE of JESUS" Before, even getting to KNOW HIM! There is nothing you can do For HIM and The Father, "But"
(ROMANS 12)BSB
"Therefore I urge you, brothers, on account of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as LIVING SACRIFICES, HOLY AND PLEASING TO GOD, which is YOUR SPIRITUAL SERVICE of WOSHIP. Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. THEN [THEN THEN] you will be able to test and approve what is the good, pleasing, and PERFECT WILL OF GOD.…"

JUST as soon as a lot of Christians decide to come back home from waddling in the WORLD and now they are trying to make up time and hurry up and try to do something for "JESUS," First thing they want to do is "PROPHESY" for JESUS, after they Speak in "TONGUES"

I got News for YOU, "IT IS FINISH"! And I am sorry, you do not understand that.

The Works of The FLESH WILL NEVER PLEASE GOD! And THE DESIRES OF THE FLESH can never SATISFY GOD!

(Corinthians 5)BSB
"We are confident, then, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. So we aspire to please Him, whether we are here in this body or away from it. ..For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive his due for the things done in the body, whether good or bad.…"

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I think you miss my point . Core teaching is the same in all Christian churches , even the Catholics.

Not true. The Catholic "Core teaching" is "Salvation by WORKS" which is heretical. That's what the "Reformation" was all about.

 

[Bill]

Not true. The Catholic "Core teaching" is "Salvation by WORKS" which is heretical. That's what the "Reformation" was all about.

We are talking core , not extended . The basics

Jesus only : Born of a Virgin . Both God and Man at same time . Died on the cross for the sins of all mankind , rose from the dead / grave . Arose into heaven . He is our Only salvation . With Him, In Him , By Him our Salvation. the Word ( Gospel of John 1.1 etc. ) the Cornerstone, the Living Water etc.

This is the very bottom core rule.

After that is where everyone has thier confusion, Catholics too.

Catholics are by no means innocent over the years, but niether are the Protestants. Everyone has a share in the stupidity. And we will all see this craziness in the near future with the One World Church coming into power.

They will preach a God of Love, and that God doesnt send people to Hell for eternity.

You will see people who were very strong Christians falling and taking the Mark of the Beast. Some very close to you , that you know well . I can see your heart breaking over it. Just dont do it , never take the Mark . Dont think to yourselves, its ok because i am saved. Judas thought that way to, and we know where he ended up

 

[Hekuran]

We are talking core , not extended . The basics

Jesus only : Born of a Virgin . Both God and Man at same time . Died on the cross for the sins of all mankind , rose from the dead / grave . Arose into heaven . He is our Only salvation . With Him, In Him , By Him our Salvation. the Word ( Gospel of John 1.1 etc. ) the Cornerstone, the Living Water etc.

This is the very bottom core rule.

After that is where everyone has thier confusion, Catholics too.

Catholics are by no means innocent over the years, but niether are the Protestants. Everyone has a share in the stupidity. And we will all see this craziness in the near future with the One World Church coming into power.

They will preach a God of Love, and that God doesnt send people to Hell for eternity.

You will see people who were very strong Christians falling and taking the Mark of the Beast. Some very close to you , that you know well . I can see your heart breaking over it. Just dont do it , never take the Mark . Dont think to yourselves, its ok because i am saved. Judas thought that way to, and we know where he ended up

Ok. Back to the central topic?

 

[Rhema]

Not true. The Catholic "Core teaching" is "Salvation by WORKS" which is heretical. That's what the "Reformation" was all about.

With all due respect, you have much to learn about Catholics. (I'm not one, but I am well studied, and your position is TBS (traditional baptist slander).)