Question for Christian's

[Rhema]

for it is written give a man a fish he will eat for a day teach a man to fish he can for the rest of His life..

And uh... just where is that written? What scripture?

 

[Rhema]

the Biblical statements of there being One God alone, yet existing as three Persons,

There are NO Biblical statements of there being One God alone yet existing as three Persons. No, not one.

All those book you have, and not one whit of wisdom and knowledge.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

How sane, self-respecting persons can believe the claims of those today who say they have the extraordinary gifts of the Holy Spirit is beyond me. The true miracles proving such claims are absent, and only seen in the claims of religious con-artists, the religious frauds; and the gullible who follow them blindly.

May you fall into the hands of the living God.

You see none, because you have no faith. Worse yet, you have Faith to Reject. Therefore, according to your faith so be it.

But I shall pray that God shall shake your faith to the roots of your core.

Rhema

 

[Christ4Ever]

Dear Brethren,

I find it interesting that some would be against being taught, or another way of saying it is receiving instruction. Our Lord told the Disciples what?

"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, "teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, [even] to the end of the age." Amen. Matthew 28:19-20 NKJV

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen. Matthew 28:19-20 KJV

Then Paul:

And the things that you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also. 2 Timothy 2:2 NKJV

Him we preach, warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus. Colossians 1:28 NKJV

Note: In a way, it is ironic that we can argue this point, as in doing so, are we not teaching, instructing, and engaging in discipleship, the very thing we say is unnecessary or don't need to engage in?

So, keep at it my dear Brothers & Sisters!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
<><
P.S. The Holy Spirit will help us be better ones than we could be by depending on our own wherewithal! \o/

 

[Rhema]

So, keep at it my dear Brothers & Sisters!

And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.​

(Acts 8:30-31 KJV)

@Christ4Ever ... those wish to be their own teachers, even liking posts from others who claim that God speaks to nobody except through their own personal understanding of the Bible.

(And you think me to be radical, merely having raised the dead?)

God's blessing,
Rhema

 

[Christ4Ever]

even liking posts from others who claim that God speaks to nobody except through their own personal understanding of the Bible.

Dear Brother,
It depends on why one likes another's post!
I usually like a post not because I necessarily agree with it, but usually because it is well presented!
Yeah, I'm an oddball in doing it that way! lol

Side note: I would like so many more of yours, until you add a final line or two at the end...kind of like a teacher of mine in the 4th grade who one day put her finger to her lips to quiet the class from making noise. Then went up to a sleeping child, bent down and tied his shoelaces together, then stood up and rapped his knuckles with a ruler...I have no idea what she was teaching that day, except you better not sleep in class.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
<><

 

[Twistie]

Yes, as it is written .It representing the unseen gospel understanding given to us the Spirt of faith the power of Christ's work or labor of love working in us

Three times Mathew 4) with three denoting the end of a matter the Father gave powerful words to His prophet Jesus the Son of man as it is writen again and again as it is written ,

The same it in the "let it be" and "it was good" you could call it the mystery of faith Christ's in us

Strike three Struck him out never saw the faith ball coming. lol


2 Corinthians 4:13We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

I been pondering quite a bit with Abba I'm a natural pest with Abba always asking questions wanting to know what I need to do with my everyday life situations.. I found my ways do not work frfr lol..

This is why I don't openly share with people when things are revealed n here is why n it kinda made me sad in a way too because i see so many people just throw The pearls He gave us out there like they were nothing..

This is where He took me


Hath a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? but my people have changed their glory for that which doth not profit.

Be astonished, O ye heavens, at this, and be horribly afraid, be ye very desolate, saith the Lord.

For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

And so I ask

Teach me, and I will hold my tongue: and cause me to understand wherein I have erred.


I used to ask myself have I become overly obsessed with the Word??

But now I don't think so I think Abba is allowing me to Just Love Him

Idk

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[Rhema]

until you add a final line or two at the end..

(Gal 1:10) For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

(Mat 13:13) Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

(Mat 7:7) Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

(Mat 13:46) Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

(Mat 11:6) And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.

 

[bowwow]

When you write that the Trinity is contradictory, do you mean you reject the Biblical statements of there being One God alone, yet existing as three Persons, namely the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit? Or, do you object to the teaching in the ecumenical Nicene Creed?

Both - but the Creed isn't as radical.

 

[bowwow]

There is an interesting translation of John 1:1, which I will quote and then give the NET Bible translation note explaining it.

"In the beginning the Word already was. The Word was in God’s presence, and what God was, the Word was." (John 1:1 REB)

"tn Or “and what God was the Word was.” Colwell’s Rule is often invoked to support the translation of θεός (theos) as definite (“God”) rather than indefinite (“a god”) here. However, Colwell’s Rule merely permits, but does not demand, that a predicate nominative ahead of an equative verb be translated as definite rather than indefinite. Furthermore, Colwell’s Rule did not deal with a third possibility, that the anarthrous predicate noun may have more of a qualitative nuance when placed ahead of the verb. A definite meaning for the term is reflected in the traditional rendering “the word was God.” From a technical standpoint, though, it is preferable to see a qualitative aspect to anarthrous θεός in John 1:1c (ExSyn 266-69). Translations like the NEB, REB, and Moffatt are helpful in capturing the sense in John 1:1c, that the Word was fully deity in essence (just as much God as God the Father). However, in contemporary English “the Word was divine” (Moffatt) does not quite catch the meaning since “divine” as a descriptive term is not used in contemporary English exclusively of God. The translation “what God was the Word was” is perhaps the most nuanced rendering, conveying that everything God was in essence, the Word was too. This points to unity of essence between the Father and the Son without equating the persons. However, in surveying a number of native speakers of English, some of whom had formal theological training and some of whom did not, the editors concluded that the fine distinctions indicated by “what God was the Word was” would not be understood by many contemporary readers. Thus the translation “the Word was fully God” was chosen because it is more likely to convey the meaning to the average English reader that the Logos (which “became flesh and took up residence among us” in John 1:14 and is thereafter identified in the Fourth Gospel as Jesus) is one in essence with God the Father. The previous phrase, “the Word was with God,” shows that the Logos is distinct in person from God the Father."

The REB is the Revised English Bible, 1989 a UK translation.

That is the way John 1:1 should be understood, or at least - very close to that. There are multiple ways of interpreting this, but I think that's the closest and about what I came up with...

The Textus receptus words it like this...

"In the origin was the saying word and the saying word and the saying word was toward the God and God this was in origin(al) toward the God."

 

[Dylan569]

On John 1:1, the latest NA28 Greek NT reads identical to the Textus Receptus, and the New Greek/English Interlinear New Testament with NRSV by Tyndale Publishing House has the English literally translated as:

IN [THE] BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND GOD WAS THE WORD the last four words are numbered to read in English "THE WORD WAS GOD"
**This NT translation is by Robert K. Brown and Philip W. Comfort

 

[Dylan569]

Both - but the Creed isn't as radical.

What is your belief, that Jesus the Christ is not Yahweh, the One God?

 

[bowwow]

When you write that the Trinity is contradictory, do you mean you reject the Biblical statements of there being One God alone, yet existing as three Persons, namely the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit? Or, do you object to the teaching in the ecumenical Nicene Creed?

What is your belief, that Jesus the Christ is not Yahweh, the One God?

How many times do I have to go through this? It's impossible for God to be a man. It only says so many times in the Old Testament. Trinity is one big blunder.

Numbers 23:19 KJV
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

1 Samuel 15:29 KJV
And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent

Hosea 11:9 KJV
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

Job 9:32 KJV
For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.

Hebrews 6:18
So that by two unchangeable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled for refuge might have strong encouragement to hold fast to the hope set before us.

Numbers 23:19 KJV
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

1 Samuel 15:29 KJV
And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent

Hosea 11:9 KJV
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

Job 9:32 KJV
For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.

Hebrews 6:18
So that by two unchangeable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled for refuge might have strong encouragement to hold fast to the hope set before us.

If they are equal, why did Jesus say in John 14:28

"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: FOR MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I."

Why did he say in John 10:29,

"My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."

And why did Jesus say in John 13:16

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him."

Why did the author of Hebrews say, "Hebrews 2:17 For this reason he had to be made like them,[k] FULLY HUMAN IN EVERY WAY, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. 18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted."

 

[bowwow]

John 1 is saying that in the beginning was God's speech - and that's all there was!

 

[MedicBravo]

Why is it that many feel as though they need a person to teach them the Word..

N why do so many try to memorize the Word??

I'm curious to the responses

TIA/⁠ᐠ⁠｡⁠ꞈ⁠｡⁠ᐟ⁠\

1. We (humans) learn best when we take in any information multiple ways and at the same time.
Ex: I've worked in Medicine and can teach the basics of CPR. If you showed up to class and I gave you a book and just told you to read it and nothing else you'd be mad. Cost of the class and book just to be told "Read it." and if you tried would probably not do it right and the odds of a person living would after needing it would be very low.
We need someone who's learned the standard and has experience; i.e. a teacher/pastor.
2. Everything has a beginning except God. If we want to know WHAT we should do as a Christian we must know what Jesus said and did.
On that, let's be realistic. No one has His power and authority.
The odds of de-escalating any violent person or situation rarely happens. Can anyone find a legit example of a murder,rapist, etc. stop what they're doing at the peaceful actions of another and mention of Jesus? No. In reality, Evil must be stopped by a good person and if it results in the death of the evil person, so be it. It's not a choice to be made so easily.
*Jesus used a whip of cords and flipped heavy wooden tables at one time so that is a choice.

The Bible is our instruction book to this mortal life.
Basic
Instructions
Before
Leaving
Earth

Given most of this world is evil, corrupt, and more dangerous than most people know being a Good (by God's guidance) and Helper is what we must do.
Christians and the rest must be reminded what we believe: Our existence does not stop at physical death.
God spoke and BANG, He created everything in 6 days.
There is a Heaven and Hell; no Purgatory.
There is no post-death repentance.
Grace by faith not works.
I'm not going to mention the mountainous evidence for God and the Bible but people should believe NOT based on evidence.
There is no party in Hell and Lucifer will not "rule" over it.
At one point, there will only be Christians left and no sadness b/c of those who aren't around anymore.

 

[Dylan569]

Yes, as it is written .It representing the unseen gospel understanding given to us the Spirt of faith the power of Christ's work or labor of love working in us

Three times Mathew 4) with three denoting the end of a matter the Father gave powerful words to His prophet Jesus the Son of man as it is writen again and again as it is written ,

The same it in the "let it be" and "it was good" you could call it the mystery of faith Christ's in us

Strike three Struck him out never saw the faith ball coming. lol


2 Corinthians 4:13We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

That is truly inventing things out of your own mind. You cannot get what you wrote about "it is written" in Matthew 4. Where did you find in that passage "It representing the unseen gospel understanding"?? Dear readers, the pronoun "it" in this passage is referring to the subject matter spoken of prior to "it is written", in the devil's test of Jesus! From the Oxford Learners Dictionary -

The pronoun "it" is used to refer to an animal or a thing that has already been mentioned or that is being talked about now

‘Where's your car?’ ‘It's in the garage.’

Did you see it?

The other room has two beds in it.

Look! It's going up that tree.

We have $500. Will it be enough for a deposit?

 

[Rhema]

That is the way John 1:1 should be understood, or at least - very close to that.​

I find it rather fascinating how translators (regardless of the century) choose to disregard the fact that the style of the book of "John" was written to the Greek philosopher in general, and as a refutation of Philo in specific.

When this is taken into account, and using the vocabulary as it would be understood by both the student of Greek philosphy and the student of Philo, we would read:

(John 1:1) The Pattern (λογος) was suffused throughout the cosmic protoplasm, and the Pattern was only of the Divine Good, and Sovereign is the Pattern.​

But as is the bent of man...

No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.​

(Luke 5:39 KJV)

Rhema

 

[Dylan569]

John 1 is saying that in the beginning was God's speech - and that's all there was!

Give us the recognized Greek scholar where you get that rendering of John 1:1. I've done a lot of reading concerning the Deity of Jesus Christ and I've never found a scholar of NT Greek who translates John 1:1 like that, or are you merely speaking as Dr. Bowwow.

I am NOT a NT Greek scholar, and do not pretend to be, so I refer to recognized source authorities who are real scholars.

 

[Twistie]

1. We (humans) learn best when we take in any information multiple ways and at the same time.
Ex: I've worked in Medicine and can teach the basics of CPR. If you showed up to class and I gave you a book and just told you to read it and nothing else you'd be mad. Cost of the class and book just to be told "Read it." and if you tried would probably not do it right and the odds of a person living would after needing it would be very low.
We need someone who's learned the standard and has experience; i.e. a teacher/pastor.
2. Everything has a beginning except God. If we want to know WHAT we should do as a Christian we must know what Jesus said and did.
On that, let's be realistic. No one has His power and authority.
The odds of de-escalating any violent person or situation rarely happens. Can anyone find a legit example of a murder,rapist, etc. stop what they're doing at the peaceful actions of another and mention of Jesus? No. In reality, Evil must be stopped by a good person and if it results in the death of the evil person, so be it. It's not a choice to be made so easily.
*Jesus used a whip of cords and flipped heavy wooden tables at one time so that is a choice.

The Bible is our instruction book to this mortal life.
Basic
Instructions
Before
Leaving
Earth

Given most of this world is evil, corrupt, and more dangerous than most people know being a Good (by God's guidance) and Helper is what we must do.
Christians and the rest must be reminded what we believe: Our existence does not stop at physical death.
God spoke and BANG, He created everything in 6 days.
There is a Heaven and Hell; no Purgatory.
There is no post-death repentance.
Grace by faith not works.
I'm not going to mention the mountainous evidence for God and the Bible but people should believe NOT based on evidence.
There is no party in Hell and Lucifer will not "rule" over it.
At one point, there will only be Christians left and no sadness b/c of those who aren't around anymore.

The Word is alot more then that.. The Word is Spirit and only Spirit can birth Spirit flesh gives birth to flesh you seem to only see the physical aspects of it

For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts
and turn,
So that I [should heal them.’

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Thus saith the Lord: “Cursed be the man that trusteth in man and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.

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[bowwow]

I find it rather fascinating how translators (regardless of the century) choose to disregard the fact that the style of the book of "John" was written to the Greek philosopher in general, and as a refutation of Philo in specific.

When this is taken into account, and using the vocabulary as it would be understood by both the student of Greek philosphy and the student of Philo, we would read:

(John 1:1) The Pattern (λογος) was suffused throughout the cosmic protoplasm, and the Pattern was only of the Divine Good, and Sovereign is the Pattern.​

But as is the bent of man...

No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.​

(Luke 5:39 KJV)

Rhema

That could be, but in some ways it's similar to saying in the beginning was 'God's Speech - and that's all there was. Your explanation is just more descriptive and probably correct.