Rapture event - Poll

[twcstp]

Satan the false prophet fell he could no longer deceive all the nations of the world that God is a dying Jewish man as King of kings. The timeline in the parable below

What do you mean by this? Jesus is God in the flesh, and the Son of God, the Christ.

When the Veil tore, something else happened that never before had been; we, being afar off, were given access to God through Jesus His Son, and are given access through Jesus into the Holy of Holies, where God dwells, whom Jesus lives for ever to make intercession for us, reconciling us to our Heavenly Father.

Acts 2:39​

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Hebrews 9:24​

“For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:”

Hebrews 10:19-22
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19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

 

[KingJ]

Now you are either adding text to my statement that is not nor shall ever be expressed as long as I live or you have had a terrible nightmare. There is no scale for graduating sin. Sin is sin and all sin is mortal sin.

You have lost me. You said no, Paul did not continue in raping, pillaging and murder after he was saved and mentioned what he did in Rom 7:15. Now you jumping around? Why do you think Paul did not continue in murdering Christians? Any ideas? Sin is sin....

 

[twcstp]

spec·u·la·tive
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adjective

1. 1.
   engaged in, expressing, or based on conjecture rather than knowledge.
   
   
   
   
   
   
   con·jec·ture
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   noun
   
   1. an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

 

[Garee]

What do you mean by this? Jesus is God in the flesh, and the Son of God, the Christ.

When the Veil tore, something else happened that never before had been; we, being afar off, were given access to God through Jesus His Son, and are given access through Jesus into the Holy of Holies, where God dwells, whom Jesus lives for ever to make intercession for us, reconciling us to our Heavenly Father.

Acts 2:39​

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Hebrews 9:24​

“For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:”

Hebrews 10:19-22​

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19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Jesus is God as Emanuel. His Holy Spirit works in and with the flesh of dying mankind.

Born again son of men become the son of God, Christian.

Any man born of woman must be born again

The only other alternative is to keep wondering, wondering after the lying signs as wonders of the father of lies .

He is working overtime today.

Lo is Christ I saw him in the desert. . I had a dream or a supposed out of the body experience


God is no longer bringing any new prophecy. no need to wonder, wonder . . . . . . .(

Need more than the perfect the sky is the limit . . .just keep wonder, wonder, wonder.

 

[twcstp]

Jesus is God as Emanuel. His Holy Spirit works in and with the flesh of dying mankind.

Born again son of men become the son of God, Christian.

Any man born of woman must be born again

The only other alternative is to keep wondering, wondering after the lying signs as wonders of the father of lies .

He is working overtime today.

Lo is Christ I saw him in the desert. . I had a dream or a supposed out of the body experience


God is no longer bringing any new prophecy. no need to wonder, wonder . . . . . . .(

Need more than the perfect the sky is the limit . . .just keep wonder, wonder, wonder.

What you're saying isn't making sense. Jesus is God's Son in the flesh, all together He is God the Son Jesus The Christ.

It's one thing if someone is telling you that they are Christ. It's a lie.
It's another if they are teaching you about Christ, but are not pointing you to Jesus Christ in the Gospel, but their own ways & laws. That is a false prophet and a teacher of lies, satan.

If someone is doing according to God's Word, following His Will, and teaching, the Lord Jesus has given us teaching for discernment, both by which we may learn & be edified, and also that we may see and know and hear and discern what is truth and what is not truth and who is false and who is true.

Matthew 5:19​

“Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”


We have teachers, who are faithful. When I began learning, I could not discern well because of the overwhelming amount of lies (satan) in the church. But GOD gave us HIS Word, to guide us for this reason.

So, would you clarify what you're referring to? I am sorry to say this, but what you are saying is not making sense.

 

[Garee]

What you're saying isn't making sense. Jesus is God's Son in the flesh, all together He is God the Son Jesus The Christ.

It's one thing if someone is telling you that they are Christ. It's a lie.
It's another if they are teaching you about Christ, but are not pointing you to Jesus Christ in the Gospel, but their own ways & laws. That is a false prophet and a teacher of lies, satan.

If someone is doing according to God's Word, following His Will, and teaching, the Lord Jesus has given us teaching for discernment, both by which we may learn & be edified, and also that we may see and know and hear and discern what is truth and what is not truth and who is false and who is true.

Matthew 5:19​

“Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”


We have teachers, who are faithful. When I began learning, I could not discern well because of the overwhelming amount of lies (satan) in the church. But GOD gave us HIS Word, to guide us for this reason.

So, would you clarify what you're referring to? I am sorry to say this, but what you are saying is not making sense.

Hi thanks

I would agree with Mathew. Beware of false apostles. Brining the oral traditions of dying mankind .

We have one faithful a true good teaching master as Lord not seen the Son of man Jesus seen demonstrated the power of the Holy father

Apostles sent messengers (UPS, Fed X, Pony Express , Amazon can preach. . the powerful Father working in us He the does all the teaching

Worship God not dying mankind apostles

 

[twcstp]

Yes, Jesus points us to Him, and we have access to the Father our Father through & in Jesus. Jesus worship is 100% acceptable.

 

[th1bill]

You have lost me. You said no, Paul did not continue in raping, pillaging and murder after he was saved and mentioned what he did in Rom 7:15. Now you jumping around? Why do you think Paul did not continue in murdering Christians? Any ideas? Sin is sin....

Paul was filled with Ruah.

 

[Bill]

The rapture is a lie and a false doctrine never even mentioned in the scripture in any way and it's best to stop feeding the delusion and stick to the wisdom and truth the Word is teaching us through Jesus' Holy Spirit.

I typically call it the rapture theory. But you are right , it is a false teaching - it's only purpose is to focus more on the rapture than God.

For those of you that disagree. I consider the Rapture a very selfish teaching. It only focuses a single person to receive the rapture as individuals, and not as a whole community for a whole group because you don't know who's going to be left behind. Another problem is is that you're not preparing those who may be left behind, and how do you deem a person to be unworthy? I mean are we God? Are we the ones that are going to make the decision whether this person's going to go or not go. And based on the scripture that has been posted as reference to those who are left behind there is one little problem to all of that, it doesn't specifically say which person walks in the Lord or doesn't walk in the Lord. It could very well be that both people walk in the Lord, and one taken and one left behind and the one left behind is the one that God chooses to leave behind so that they can help those other people that are left behind has that ever even occurred to anyone

 

[Bill]

Everyone is so fixated on jumping up and escaping the madhouse of the tribulation. The Great Escape LOL. That you're forgetting that God can choose for those who are born again to stick around whether you want to or not because it's his purpose not ours, it's his plan not ours.

 

[twcstp]

I typically call it the rapture theory. But you are right , it is a false teaching - it's only purpose is to focus more on the rapture than God.

For those of you that disagree. I consider the Rapture a very selfish teaching. It only focuses a single person to receive the rapture as individuals, and not as a whole community for a whole group because you don't know who's going to be left behind. Another problem is is that you're not preparing those who may be left behind, and how do you deem a person to be unworthy? I mean are we God? Are we the ones that are going to make the decision whether this person's going to go or not go. And based on the scripture that has been posted as reference to those who are left behind there is one little problem to all of that, it doesn't specifically say which person walks in the Lord or doesn't walk in the Lord. It could very well be that both people walk in the Lord, and one taken and one left behind and the one left behind is the one that God chooses to leave behind so that they can help those other people that are left behind has that ever even occurred to anyone

Everyone is so fixated on jumping up and escaping the madhouse of the tribulation. The Great Escape LOL. That you're forgetting that God can choose for those who are born again to stick around whether you want to or not because it's his purpose not ours, it's his plan not ours.

As I was reading over your post I was writing something and had to stop myself because I realized that what I had wrote was smug, and repented; but then as I was cooking, and fixing my dinner plate, the Holy Spirit dropped it in my spirit that the way the Lord would have us to live & think would mirror the teachings of Christ, and ALSO the way that the Apostle and the Body of Christ lived in the book of Acts! Whenever the Apostles were delivered from their imprisonments, the Lord Jesus brought them out, and they went back to boldly ministered the Word of Jesus Life' and live according to His teachings; this is how the Lord is directing us through His Word. But know this, God is protecting all of you in the Name of Jesus.

 

[KingJ]

Paul was filled with Ruah.

Yes, and with 'Ruah', he still sinned.

Meaning sin is not the problem. The love of sin is. This love is manifested in the degree of sin we commit. Continuing in in mortal sins is a clear sign you do not have the Holy Spirit, are not a true Christian and will most certainly miss the rapture.

If Paul continued in or committed simply one, mortal sin, his preaching would have come to abrupt end. Why do you think that is?

 

[twcstp]

Yes, and with 'Ruah', he still sinned.

Meaning sin is not the problem. The love of sin is. This love is manifested in the degree of sin we commit. Continuing in in mortal sins is a clear sign you do not have the Holy Spirit, are not a true Christian and will most certainly miss the rapture.

If Paul continued in or committed simply one, mortal sin, his preaching would have come to abrupt end. Why do you think that is?

I won't speak on things I don't understand, but this rapture thing is still not true doctrine.

From what I can see, the rapture is a worldly doctrine. I think you're missing the most important thing of all, which is being BORN AGAIN.

Once you are born again, through faith in Christ and Christ alone, you become a LIVING CHILD of GOD THE FATHER. This is the most significant thing that can & ever will happen in anyone's life; that is, receiving JESUS CHRIST, THE CHRIST, as LORD & SAVIOR!

You are already a citizen in Heaven, seated with Christ in Heavenly places. Now this is not a worldly doctrine, but the Gospel's teachings. God's Word. Once again, the rapture doctrine is a worldly doctrine, detracting from the truth of the Gospel of Christ.

How can you be raptured to Heaven, when your spirit is dwelling with God already? You're a bearer of the Name of Jesus, and a child of God, and Heaven is in you, and Jesus reigns through you. You're walking with Heaven on Earth in you, the Holy Spirit. This is far greater and so much more important than being taken up, so to speak. You're already taken up.



rap·ture
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noun

1. 1.
   a feeling of intense pleasure or joy.
   "Leonora listened with rapture"
   
   Similar:
   
   
2. 2.
   North American
   (according to some millenarian teaching) the transporting of believers to heaven at the Second Coming of Christ.

 

[KingJ]

Everyone is so fixated on jumping up and escaping the madhouse of the tribulation. The Great Escape LOL. That you're forgetting that God can choose for those who are born again to stick around whether you want to or not because it's his purpose not ours, it's his plan not ours.

Well, that sounds correct, but it is not.

If God did that it would be evil of Him and He is not evil. According to scripture He is good Psalm 136:1.

Psalm 136:1 Give thanks for the Lord is good.

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Think on the example of a great policeman. You are the police chief. You want your policeman to arrest as many criminals as possible. Keep the streets safe, Do their job well. 15% of your police force does this. The rest do not. They take bribes. They steal drug money. They work with the criminals.

As a solution to this mass corruption within your department you decide to A. Throw them all into prison or B. Throw the 85% that are not performing into prison.

If you did A, you have betrayed your good policeman by placing them with the enemy.

If you did B, you are now only trying to rehabilitate the bad policeman.

Conclusion:

You are good police chief if prison turns your bad cops into good cops. You are an evil and completely mad police chief if you place your good cops in prison and completely abandon them.

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Rev 2:10 says the devil will test us for ten days and then put us to death. If you think:

1. The devil has to test someone like Jimmy Swaggart, Mother Theresa, or any other clearly true Christian, I would say your mind is not on the topic.

2. The devil will hold them for 'only' ten days, I would say your mind is not on the topic.

It is fine for God to leave us with wicked people. People can be changed. God needs us to testify of Him to them. Even if we die as martyrs. The devil, however, is a different story. The devil was removed from heaven because he is sold out to a love of what is evil. There is no need for us to witness to him. And it is the fact that it is the actual devil we will be dealing with that many do not grasp.

Many say we deal with the devil now. No, we don't. Not like what is to come. There is a world of difference between having the devil in your ear telling you to eat a forbidden fruit over God abandoning you and leaving you at his complete mercy. That would be a complete betrayal of God to His people.

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The only case in the entirety of scripture that even remotely supports this idea of God abandoning us with the devil, is the story of Job. But there is a lot to unpack on this. Job was a man unlike any of us. Not a single one of us can endure what he did. That is why God has only tested him at that level. Of all the prophets in scripture, only Job endured that level of testing from the devil. Meditate on that fact.

 

[KingJ]

I won't speak on things I don't understand, but this rapture thing is still not true doctrine.

From what I can see, the rapture is a worldly doctrine.

You say that but provide absolutely no scripture or rebuttal.

Please read post # 1 and post # 86. A very strong case exists for a pretribulation rapture. Certainly, stronger than for a mid or post.

I think you're missing the most important thing of all, which is being BORN AGAIN.

Once you are born again, through faith in Christ and Christ alone, you become a LIVING CHILD of GOD THE FATHER. This is the most significant thing that can & ever will happen in anyone's life; that is, receiving JESUS CHRIST, THE CHRIST, as LORD & SAVIOR!

You are already a citizen in Heaven, seated with Christ in Heavenly places.

Agree 100%

Now this is not a worldly doctrine, but the Gospel's teachings. God's Word. Once again, the rapture doctrine is a worldly doctrine, detracting from the truth of the Gospel of Christ.

Again, you make a statement with no scriptural support or rebuttal of what has been posted.

How can you be raptured to Heaven, when your spirit is dwelling with God already?

For the same reason God told and helped Noah build an ark.

You're a bearer of the Name of Jesus, and a child of God, and Heaven is in you, and Jesus reigns through you. You're walking with Heaven on Earth in you, the Holy Spirit. This is far greater and so much more important than being taken up, so to speak. You're already taken up.

Scripture says the Holy Spirit leaves. So, no, you would be walking with nothing in you. As explained in my OP.

rap·ture
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noun

1. 1.
   a feeling of intense pleasure or joy.
   "Leonora listened with rapture"
   
   Similar:
   
   
2. 2.
   North American
   (according to some millenarian teaching) the transporting of believers to heaven at the Second Coming of Christ.

Why are you quoting the dictionary and not scripture?

 

[twcstp]

What makes you think the Holy Spirit would leave you, a born again believer?

Here's what's happening...

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

then...

2 Timothy 3​

3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.


The Holy Spirit will never leave you, nor forsake you.

In 2 timothy 3, we are given the clearest insight into what godlessness pushes the restrainer, the Holy Spirit away, through the works of iniquity. In this is the spirit of error, rather than the Spirit of Truth.

Remember, we walk by faith, not by sight.

When I first heard of the term rapture, and saw what it represented, the thought came to me that it must be when someone believes & is born again. I could not come to God our Father except through Jesus, and by faith; not that of my own, but of God's Will.

Ephesians 2:8-9​

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.


I was saved by His grace, not that of my own; I was delivered from the kingdom of darkness, and translated into the Kingdom of our Beloved:

Colossians 1:13-20​

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

2 Corinthians 5:7​

7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight


Lastly,
the scripture is for:

2 Timothy 3:16-17​

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.


I am born again, delivered from the kingdom of darkness, translated into the Kingdom of our Beloved Savior and Lord Jesus, the Son of God, and am being thoroughly equipped and furnished for all good works in & for Jesus Christ our Lord & the Body of Christ & for the lost to be found, and likewise saved; I am already dwelling in Heaven, though I am living out an earthly life, and am being fully equipped to faithfully carry out God's Will with all manners of good works.

... I don't want to be raptured. I'm in the perfect position for Christ to work through me for the salvation of men. All of the scripture points to our salvation, through reconciliation with our Father, and then Jesus Himself equips us for all good works so that we can carry out God's Will on Earth, bringing reconciliation (Heaven) to Earth as God intended from day 1 of Jesus' ascension into Heaven. We're not here to be removed from the earth before it's destroyed... but to do good works in the faith, that it doesn't get destroyed through wickedness..

 

[twcstp]

As for my own opinion, I don't want to be raptured. The more time Father gives me here, the more hope of salvation for as many as possible; He saved me by His grace & divine mercy, and there's no way I could look at His face without giving all that I have for others' as I live out my earthly life in Jesus Name. Amen.

 

[KingJ]

What makes you think the Holy Spirit would leave you, a born again believer?

He won't. Thats why we are raptured.

Here's what's happening...

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Not sure of relevance.

then...

2 Timothy 3​

3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Speaking to the last days. Those prior to the tribulation. Last days = pretribulation and tribulation.

The Holy Spirit will never leave you, nor forsake you.

In 2 timothy 3, we are given the clearest insight into what godlessness pushes the restrainer, the Holy Spirit away, through the works of iniquity. In this is the spirit of error, rather than the Spirit of Truth.

Remember, we walk by faith, not by sight.

When I first heard of the term rapture, and saw what it represented, the thought came to me that it must be when someone believes & is born again. I could not come to God our Father except through Jesus, and by faith; not that of my own, but of God's Will.

Ephesians 2:8-9​

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.


I was saved by His grace, not that of my own; I was delivered from the kingdom of darkness, and translated into the Kingdom of our Beloved:

Colossians 1:13-20​

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

2 Corinthians 5:7​

7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight

In the tribulation you can have all the faith you want. If you get the mark of the beast = hell. If you do not endure ten days of torment and death = hell. You will go to hell with all your ''walk by faith not by sight'' thoughts.

Lastly,
the scripture is for:

2 Timothy 3:16-17​

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.


I am born again, delivered from the kingdom of darkness, translated into the Kingdom of our Beloved Savior and Lord Jesus, the Son of God, and am being thoroughly equipped and furnished for all good works in & for Jesus Christ our Lord & the Body of Christ & for the lost to be found, and likewise saved; I am already dwelling in Heaven, though I am living out an earthly life, and am being fully equipped to faithfully carry out God's Will with all manners of good works.

... I don't want to be raptured. I'm in the perfect position for Christ to work through me for the salvation of men. All of the scripture points to our salvation, through reconciliation with our Father, and then Jesus Himself equips us for all good works so that we can carry out God's Will on Earth, bringing reconciliation (Heaven) to Earth as God intended from day 1 of Jesus' ascension into Heaven. We're not here to be removed from the earth before it's destroyed... but to do good works in the faith, that it doesn't get destroyed through wickedness..

I mean this in the nicest way possible. You are not dealing with arguments raised and scripture already presented. You seem to innocently be creating a rabbit trail.

Please would you mind, rather than posting random scriptures, quote my post #1 and post # 86. Explain in point form why you disagree.

 

[KingJ]

As for my own opinion, I don't want to be raptured. The more time Father gives me here, the more hope of salvation for as many as possible; He saved me by His grace & divine mercy, and there's no way I could look at His face without giving all that I have for others' as I live out my earthly life in Jesus Name. Amen.

Yes, that is good. We should all think like this.

The problem is that those who go into the tribulation cannot be converted by us. That is the very reason for the tribulation.

There are many good people and so-called Christians on the fence. No amount of preaching, witnessing Jesus or good works will make them deal with the reality of heaven and hell.

This is why the next step is to get the devil to give them an ultimatum. Thereafter for God to rain down His plagues that increase in severity.

There are currently a lot of people on the earth. God has planned the tribulation process as a final and necessary stage of filtering the righteous from the wicked from day one. Much like the flood.

 

[Garee]

How can you be raptured to Heaven, when your spirit is dwelling with God already? You're a bearer of the Name of Jesus, and a child of God, and Heaven is in you, and Jesus reigns through you. You're walking with Heaven on Earth in you, the Holy Spirit. This is far greater and so much more important than being taken up, so to speak. You're already taken up.

The rapture raising up it is two-fold labor working as one .

The wakeup call on the last day under the Sun. Born again saint no longer here mixed with those here. In the twinkling of the eye new incorruptible body the wife of Christ named her Christian .

The first century reformation (Hebrew 9) the restoring of Christ reigning in the hearts of his born gain children

1 Samuael 8 The lord had given over the Atheist Jews do that which they should not." No invisible God reigning from heaven.

In their jealousy of the surrounding pagan nations, they demanded of Samuael the apostle. the Pagan foundation "out of sight out of mind" God calls fools .

Kings in Iseral the abomination of desolation. God alone is the Invisible King of visible kings

Hebrew 9 the time of restoration of Christ reigning in the hearts of his born gain children.

A time of great tribulation for the Jew that was hoping dying flesh could profit. A great time of tribulation for the Jewish men's only ceremonial club . A tribulation like none before or ever again

The high wall that separated the Jewish women from men only club and another high wall that separated the Gentiles from the Jews .

Both fell .A gospel explosion like never before or ever again. Jew and gentile men and women come together as one new nation Christain the nation of nations

No signs were given to wonder, wonder, wonder after as if true prophecy. We have the perfect sealed till the last day under the Sun no need to wonder,wonder ,wonder????? ,.