Refuting The Cessationism Doctrine: Spiritual Gifts, Tongues, Miracles Haven’t Ceased Since Pentecost!!

[Samson2020]

If you will notice that God says of himself I am the first and the last. As the only True God he is the first and the last.
Jesus in Revelation says that he is the alpha and the omega, first and last. In the sense that he was the first begotten and only begotten of the Father he is first and last.
Both are first and last if you see what they are first and last of.

There will never be another True God, and there will never be another begotten Son of God.

 

[Dave L]

There’s a doctrine going around called Cessationism which teaches dat spiritual gifts such as speaking in tongues, prophecy and healing have ceased since pentecost. This is completely bogous and asinine and unbiblical, even I speak in tongues sometimes and after I was born again I started seeing visions which were prophetic and actually came true aswell.



just like the bible says in Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:


the only thing dat has ceased is peoples faith in Gods power as the bible says in 2 timothy 3:5 they have a form of godlyness but they deny the power off.



Lets go 2 the scriptures where there were many miracles done with the power of the holy spirit and where the holy spirit was poured out onto people after pentecost.



Also just 2 mention a prophecy from david in pslams Acts 1:16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.



Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 5:12 And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch.

Acts 5:15 Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them.

16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.

Acts 6:5 And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:


Acts 6:8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people.


Acts 8:5 Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.


6 And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did.


Acts 9:40 peter raised a woman from the dead.


Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.


44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.


45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.


46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,


Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,


2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.


3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.


4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.


5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.


6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.


So u see hear folks, many works and miracles and out poring of the holy spirit after Pentecost in acts.


Don’t be fooled by these silly erroneous doctrines which go totally against the bible which are purposely made by the enemy 2 deceive you and turn u away from the truth and 2 destroy ur faith.


Take authority against the demons God has given it 2 his children and don’t be fearful, don’t be weary, Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Paul says that understanding what is said = edification. And tongue speakers edified only themselves = they understood. But needed to interpret for others so they could understand and be edified too.

Soooooooo. Tongue speakers knew what they were saying. No tongue speaker today understands what they are saying. = not biblical tongues.

 

[B-A-C]

Soooooooo. Tongue speakers knew what they were saying. No tongue speaker today understands what they are saying. = not biblical tongues.

1Cor 14:8; For if the bugle produces an indistinct sound, who will prepare himself for battle?
1Cor 14:9; So also you, unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air.
1Cor 14:10; There are, perhaps, a great many kinds of languages in the world, and no kind is without meaning.
1Cor 14:11; If then I do not know the meaning of the language, I will be to the one who speaks a barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a barbarian to me.

Paul also mentions a language of Angels

1Cor 13:1; If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

 

[Dave L]

1Cor 14:8; For if the bugle produces an indistinct sound, who will prepare himself for battle?
1Cor 14:9; So also you, unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air.
1Cor 14:10; There are, perhaps, a great many kinds of languages in the world, and no kind is without meaning.
1Cor 14:11; If then I do not know the meaning of the language, I will be to the one who speaks a barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a barbarian to me.

Paul also mentions a language of Angels

1Cor 13:1; If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

The problem is, real tongues edified the speaker because they knew what they were saying. Today's tongue speakers do not know what they are saying. Paul says understanding tongues is what edifies. So the original speakers knew what they were saying and were edified.

 

[PloughBoy]

Paul says that understanding what is said = edification. And tongue speakers edified only themselves = they understood. But needed to interpret for others so they could understand and be edified too.

Soooooooo. Tongue speakers knew what they were saying. No tongue speaker today understands what they are saying. = not biblical tongues.

And i don't either!!!! for all a know, he might be selling snake oil.

"Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me."

"Then if there is a interpreter there, how do you know they are not in cahoots" and take your money and calling it planting seed. Yeh, right, planting it in his and her's field. It will grow alright! You do not have to be a "prophet' to see that.

 

[Samson2020]

The problem is, real tongues edified the speaker because they knew what they were saying. Today's tongue speakers do not know what they are saying. Paul says understanding tongues is what edifies. So the original speakers knew what they were saying and were edified.

Not necessarily, as the speaker was not to interpret their own word, someone else should be the interpreter. Though the one who spoke in tongues was
told to pray for the ability to interpret it would seem odd to interpret their own word as opposed to interpreting anothers word.
NLT
1Co 14:26 " Well, my brothers and sisters, lets summarize. When you meet together, one will sing, another will teach, another will tell some special revelation that
God has given, one will speak in tongues, and another will interpret what is said. But everything that is done must strengthen all of you."
1Co 14:27 " No more than 2 or 3 should speak in tongues, They must speak one at a time, and someone must interpret what they say."
1Co 14:28 " But if no one is present who can interpret, they must be silent in the church meeting and SPEAK IN TONGUES TO GOD PRIVATELY."

IMO no more, nor less, than praying in the spirit with the spirit using your vocal cords to say what you either won't, can't or simply do not understand you
have a need for, but the spirit within you does and makes its request, and giving of thanks, for you.

1Co 14:18 " I thank God that I speak in tongues more than any of you." Doesn't say whether in public or private.
1Co 14:14 " For if I pray in tongues my spirit is praying, but I don't understand what I am saying."
1Co 14:15 " Well then, what shall I do? I will pray in the spirit, and I will also pray in words that I understand............."
1Co 14:17 " You will be giving thanks very well, but it won't strengthen the people who hear you."

I personally have heard someone praying in another tongue within a meeting with no interpretation and it was just gibberish to me. But I do pray in languages I do not understand when alone, as what had happened when that person was praying in tongues sort of left me bewildered and I wouldn't want to have someone else feel
that way. My niece has once asked me to pray that way and after maybe 5 seconds she was thats enough as though it bothered her as it probably would all
unbelievers and believers alike.
So for me this is a private issue between my spirit and God, maybe someday I will hear a tongue in a meeting but I'm pretty sure I will be extremely skeptical of
the Interpretation. If it doesn't line up with scripture then I would reject what was said.

 

[Butch5]

There’s a doctrine going around called Cessationism which teaches dat spiritual gifts such as speaking in tongues, prophecy and healing have ceased since pentecost. This is completely bogous and asinine and unbiblical, even I speak in tongues sometimes and after I was born again I started seeing visions which were prophetic and actually came true aswell.



just like the bible says in Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:


the only thing dat has ceased is peoples faith in Gods power as the bible says in 2 timothy 3:5 they have a form of godlyness but they deny the power off.



Lets go 2 the scriptures where there were many miracles done with the power of the holy spirit and where the holy spirit was poured out onto people after pentecost.



Also just 2 mention a prophecy from david in pslams Acts 1:16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.



Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 5:12 And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch.

Acts 5:15 Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them.

16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.

Acts 6:5 And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:


Acts 6:8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people.


Acts 8:5 Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.


6 And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did.


Acts 9:40 peter raised a woman from the dead.


Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.


44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.


45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.


46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,


Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,


2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.


3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.


4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.


5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.


6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.


So u see hear folks, many works and miracles and out poring of the holy spirit after Pentecost in acts.


Don’t be fooled by these silly erroneous doctrines which go totally against the bible which are purposely made by the enemy 2 deceive you and turn u away from the truth and 2 destroy ur faith.


Take authority against the demons God has given it 2 his children and don’t be fearful, don’t be weary, Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Do you realize these passage don't tell what happens today?

 

[Dave L]

Not necessarily, as the speaker was not to interpret their own word, someone else should be the interpreter. Though the one who spoke in tongues was
told to pray for the ability to interpret it would seem odd to interpret their own word as opposed to interpreting anothers word.
NLT
1Co 14:26 " Well, my brothers and sisters, lets summarize. When you meet together, one will sing, another will teach, another will tell some special revelation that
God has given, one will speak in tongues, and another will interpret what is said. But everything that is done must strengthen all of you."
1Co 14:27 " No more than 2 or 3 should speak in tongues, They must speak one at a time, and someone must interpret what they say."
1Co 14:28 " But if no one is present who can interpret, they must be silent in the church meeting and SPEAK IN TONGUES TO GOD PRIVATELY."

IMO no more, nor less, than praying in the spirit with the spirit using your vocal cords to say what you either won't, can't or simply do not understand you
have a need for, but the spirit within you does and makes its request, and giving of thanks, for you.

1Co 14:18 " I thank God that I speak in tongues more than any of you." Doesn't say whether in public or private.
1Co 14:14 " For if I pray in tongues my spirit is praying, but I don't understand what I am saying."
1Co 14:15 " Well then, what shall I do? I will pray in the spirit, and I will also pray in words that I understand............."
1Co 14:17 " You will be giving thanks very well, but it won't strengthen the people who hear you."

I personally have heard someone praying in another tongue within a meeting with no interpretation and it was just gibberish to me. But I do pray in languages I do not understand when alone, as what had happened when that person was praying in tongues sort of left me bewildered and I wouldn't want to have someone else feel
that way. My niece has once asked me to pray that way and after maybe 5 seconds she was thats enough as though it bothered her as it probably would all
unbelievers and believers alike.
So for me this is a private issue between my spirit and God, maybe someday I will hear a tongue in a meeting but I'm pretty sure I will be extremely skeptical of
the Interpretation. If it doesn't line up with scripture then I would reject what was said.

Here's what you need to disprove. The main reason you are wrong is that Paul said those who speak in tongues EDIFY themselves.
“He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.” 1 Corinthians 14:4 (KJV 1900)

He also said they need to interpret so the whole church could UNDERSTAND and become EDIFIED.
“I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.” 1 Corinthians 14:5 (KJV 1900)

Thus, those EDIFIED understood what they were saying. This is not true with today's "knock-off" gifts. They know not what they say.

διερμηνεύωa: to translate from one language to another—‘to translate, to interpret.’

Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition., Vol. 1, p. 404). New York: United Bible Societies.

 

[Samson2020]

Here's what you need to disprove. The main reason you are wrong is that Paul said those who speak in tongues EDIFY themselves.
“He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.” 1 Corinthians 14:4 (KJV 1900)

He also said they need to interpret so the whole church could UNDERSTAND and become EDIFIED.
“I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.” 1 Corinthians 14:5 (KJV 1900)

Thus, those EDIFIED understood what they were saying. This is not true with today's "knock-off" gifts. They know not what they say.

διερμηνεύωa: to translate from one language to another—‘to translate, to interpret.’

Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition., Vol. 1, p. 404). New York: United Bible Societies.

I can agree with you if the one speaking in an unknown tongue was able to interpret, even privately, then he/she would be edified because they understood what
was said. But if the one speaking did not have the ability to interpret then they did not understand either so they were themselves not edified. And Paul addressed
that when he said I will pray in tongues and pray with words that I understand. He didn't even understand what he said when praying in tongues but still did it,
mostly privately I would have to assume.
In the 1 Co 14:4 the speaker only edifies himself in that he is praying in his/her most holy faith even though they probably do not understand what was said,
but they took it on faith that they were giving thanks to God and laying their soul bare before the Lord and disclosing everything even though he already knows.

This is a subject that doesn't really mean much today as I believe all are skeptical even if they themselves speak in other tongues. We who believe we are nearing
the time of the end have been warned of false everything so we are always skeptical of everything except our own personal relationship.

I will leave this discussion with a short story involving the subject. Only heard this so can't prove nor disprove it. There was a service in which a S Korean woman was attending in the US and someone in the congregation was moved to speak in another tongue, the S Korean woman was the one being spoken to by God in her
native tongue which the American did not know. The S Korean woman was not born again but was spoken to directly through the American and did become born
again that day if memory serves. In that case it would have been more along the lines of Pentecost as the other tongues were those spoken by the people that heard
them, though all around did not understand them all, as they spoke in many different tongues. Needless to say I can't say that the whole congregation was
edified by that, but for sure the S Korean woman was.

Enjoy your day,

 

[Dave L]

I can agree with you if the one speaking in an unknown tongue was able to interpret, even privately, then he/she would be edified because they understood what
was said. But if the one speaking did not have the ability to interpret then they did not understand either so they were themselves not edified. And Paul addressed
that when he said I will pray in tongues and pray with words that I understand. He didn't even understand what he said when praying in tongues but still did it,
mostly privately I would have to assume.
In the 1 Co 14:4 the speaker only edifies himself in that he is praying in his/her most holy faith even though they probably do not understand what was said,
but they took it on faith that they were giving thanks to God and laying their soul bare before the Lord and disclosing everything even though he already knows.

This is a subject that doesn't really mean much today as I believe all are skeptical even if they themselves speak in other tongues. We who believe we are nearing
the time of the end have been warned of false everything so we are always skeptical of everything except our own personal relationship.

I will leave this discussion with a short story involving the subject. Only heard this so can't prove nor disprove it. There was a service in which a S Korean woman was attending in the US and someone in the congregation was moved to speak in another tongue, the S Korean woman was the one being spoken to by God in her
native tongue which the American did not know. The S Korean woman was not born again but was spoken to directly through the American and did become born
again that day if memory serves. In that case it would have been more along the lines of Pentecost as the other tongues were those spoken by the people that heard
them, though all around did not understand them all, as they spoke in many different tongues. Needless to say I can't say that the whole congregation was
edified by that, but for sure the S Korean woman was.

Enjoy your day,

Interpret = preach or teach. They understood what they said, but people remained unedified unless they taught them the meaning. It this sense Paul said their understanding remained unfruitful. It would bear fruit when shared.

 

[B-A-C]

Interpret = preach or teach.

Interpret means interpret, teach means teach. They are listed as two separate items.

1Cor 12:29; All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they?
1Cor 12:30; All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they?

 

[Dave L]

Interpret means interpret, teach means teach. They are listed as two separate items.

1Cor 12:29; All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they?
1Cor 12:30; All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they?

Interpret = explain.


διερμηνεύω 1 aor. διερμήνευσα (B-D-F §67, 2)
① to translate from one language to another, translate (Polyb. 3, 22, 3; UPZ 162 V, 4 [117 B.C.]; 2 Macc 1:36; EpArist 15, 308; 310; Philo, Poster. Cai. 1, Deus Imm. 144, Migr. Abr. 12; 73) Ταβιθά, ἣ διερμηνευομένη λέγεται Δορκάς T. which, translated, means Dorcas [=gazelle] Ac 9:36.
② to clarify someth. so as to make it understandable, explain, interpret (Philod., Rhet. I 84 S. as διερμηνεῖσθαι; Philo, Op. M. 31; GrBar 11:7) τὶ someth. ecstatic speech 1 Cor 12:30; 14:5, 13, 27 (mng. 1 is also prob. here); the mng. of prophecies Lk 24:27. Pass., of the holy scriptures Ac 18:6 D.—DELG s.v. ἑρμηνεύς. M-M. TW. Spicq.


Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed., p. 244). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.