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Rockets and Missiles lights up the Skies in "Israel," Bloodshed, Violence and Children cry, buildings crumbles

Hekuran said:
A few comments in response. The Palestinians do not have the military capacity to destroy Israel. They can fire rockets into Israel, yes, but the Iron Shield deals with most of them. The rockets are not very accurate. Israel's military strength is greatly superior to the Palestinians.

For the vast, vast majority of Palestinians, the problem is not that Jews are in the land, the problem is that they are not able to live peaceful, prosperous and secure lives in their own homeland.

I would like to see far more international pressure on both the Israeli Government and Hamas to seek a peaceful resolution. It's surely obvious to everyone that the violence on both sides is a dead end.
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I do appreciate and totaly agree that Hamas hasn't got the technology, the fire power or the skills. They are a voice for satan.

The issues have been running for over 100 years, from at least the first World War. Lord Balfour prepared a treaty for the News to return to their home land, the land given to them by God through Abraham.

Balfour had problems getting it together and ended up with a consortium including France and other countries.

Meanwhile the arabs were given incentive to move and live there.

The Balfour Treaty was unsuccessful in getting Jews to return, God controls when the Jews return, not man

Meanwhile the number of Palatinians increased in the area. Looking back if the Jews had returned, Hitler would have wiped out even more Jews, God knows best, he is in total control.

It wasn't until after WW2 that the Jews started to flood back, slow at first but continued to gather pace.

As we know Israel was declared a state again on 14 May 1948. Praise the Lord.

The Palestinians still claimed the land as theirs, and Yasser Arafat paid people to go and live in Israel, increasing the number of Muslims in the country.

The land is not theirs, the land was given to Abraham for all generations from him.

The Palestinians live in fear for many reasons, one being they are placed in areas to act as human shields.

The issue is not Hamas vs Israel, no, it is satan trying to fight God, satan trying to fight against Jesus, in the land our Lord will return on Glory to.
 
B-A-C said:
Except it isn't really their own homeland. It's the land God promised to the Jews.

Israel is protecting themselves. Hamas is attacking.
Israel uses weapons to protect civilians. Hamas uses civilians to protect their weapons.

Hamas is anything but peaceful.
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Stating "its' the land God promised to the Jews" is what we call Israel today really the land God promised to the Jews. And Did he promise the land to the Jews or to Abraham?
 
Reba1 said:
Stating "its' the land God promised to the Jews" is what we call Israel today really the land God promised to the Jews. And Did he promise the land to the Jews or to Abraham?
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Hi Reba1

Did he not give it to Abraham and all his descendants, which would be as the grains of the sand?

God promised to give possession of the land to Abraham and his descendants, even though he did not yet have a child. at that time.

Gen 12:7
Then the LORD appeared to Abram and said, “To your descendants I will give this land.” And there he built an altar to the LORD, who had appeared to him.

Gen 13:15
for all the land which you see I give to you and your descendants forever.

Gen 17:8
Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
 
Reba1 said:
Stating "its' the land God promised to the Jews" is what we call Israel today really the land God promised to the Jews. And Did he promise the land to the Jews or to Abraham?
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He promised the all the land between the sea and the Euphrates to his descendents, that would include Iran, Iraq, Syria, perhaps part of Egypt.
He specifically promised Canaan (Israel) to the descendants of Isaac.
 
Brother-Paul said:
Hi Reba1

Did he not give it to Abraham and all his descendants, which would be as the grains of the sand?

God promised to give possession of the land to Abraham and his descendants, even though he did not yet have a child. at that time.

Gen 12:7
Then the LORD appeared to Abram and said, “To your descendants I will give this land.” And there he built an altar to the LORD, who had appeared to him.

Gen 13:15
for all the land which you see I give to you and your descendants forever.

Gen 17:8
Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
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It was conditional

Gen 17:9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
Gen 17:10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
Gen 17:11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
Gen 17:12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
Gen 17:13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
Gen 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
Isaac's Birth Promised
Gen 17:15 And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be.

Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Lev 26:40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
Lev 26:41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:
Lev 26:42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.

Deu 7:11 Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.
Deu 7:12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:
Deu 7:13 And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
 
B-A-C said:
He promised the all the land between the sea and the Euphrates to his descendents, that would include Iran, Iraq, Syria, perhaps part of Egypt.
He specifically promised Canaan (Israel) to the descendants of Isaac.
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Is what you are calling Canaan todays boundaries of Israel?

Jos 21:41 All the cities of the Levites within the possession of the children of Israel were forty and eight cities with their suburbs.
Jos 21:42 These cities were every one with their suburbs round about them: thus were all these cities.
Jos 21:43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
Jos 21:44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
Jos 21:45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.
 
Reba1 said:
Is what you are calling Canaan todays boundaries of Israel?

Jos 21:41 All the cities of the Levites within the possession of the children of Israel were forty and eight cities with their suburbs.
Jos 21:42 These cities were every one with their suburbs round about them: thus were all these cities.
Jos 21:43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
Jos 21:44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
Jos 21:45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.
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Well spoken. somebody knows their "Book".
 
Reba1 said:
Jos 21:41 All the cities of the Levites within the possession of the children of Israel were forty and eight cities with their suburbs.
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The Levites, are not all the Jews.

Exo 6:4 "I also established My covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land in which they sojourned.
Exo 6:5 "Furthermore I have heard the groaning of the sons of Israel, because the Egyptians are holding them in bondage, and I have remembered My covenant.
Exo 6:6 "Say, therefore, to the sons of Israel, 'I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will deliver you from their bondage. I will also redeem you with an outstretched arm and with great judgments.
Exo 6:7 'Then I will take you for My people, and I will be your God; and you shall know that I am the LORD your God, who brought you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians.
Exo 6:8 'I will bring you to the land which I swore to give to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and I will give it to you for a possession; I am the LORD.'"
 
B-A-C said:
en.wikipedia.org

Canaan - Wikipedia

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The Levites are not all of Israel.



Canaan, was promised to the sons of Israel, not "all" the sons of Abraham.
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Jos 21:43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
Jos 21:44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
Jos 21:45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.

Does the house of Israel include or exclude the Levites ?
 
Brother-Paul said:
The land is not theirs, the land was given to Abraham for all generations from him.
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It is complicated - there are a lot of issues involved in all of this.
This conflict is the continuing enmity between Ishmael (the Arabs) and Isaac (the Jews). They are half-brothers and are both Semites (Semitic peoples)
The Arabs lay claim to Jerusalem through Ismael as the first-born and the false claims written in the Quran that Abraham took Ishmael to Mount Moriah to sacrifice.

In 70 AD God divorced Judah and their temple and the priesthood along with both Jerusalem and the nation of Judah were burned and destroyed.
They Jews became slaves and were dispersed through the nations; and became in Europe a people to be despised.
The return of the Jews after 1917 and the subsequent year of jubilee, 1967, when all the land was restored to the Jews, including Jerusalem, is prophecy in action - the fulfillment of promises to a 'remnant' that would return.

But just because God upholds His word and his promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob does not mean that the Jews of today - Judah the southern kingdom - are grafted back into the vine, for they are still a stiff-necked and
rebellious people, still denying Yeshua as their Messiah and as for the ultra-orthodox Jews they openly blaspheme and mock Jesus and Christians.
But they are the children of promise whereas Ishmael is not.
 
Downunder said:
It is complicated - there are a lot of issues involved in all of this.
This conflict is the continuing enmity between Ishmael (the Arabs) and Isaac (the Jews). They are half-brothers and are both Semites (Semitic peoples)
The Arabs lay claim to Jerusalem through Ismael as the first-born and the false claims written in the Quran that Abraham took Ishmael to Mount Moriah to sacrifice.

In 70 AD God divorced Judah and their temple and the priesthood along with both Jerusalem and the nation of Judah were burned and destroyed.
They Jews became slaves and were dispersed through the nations; and became in Europe a people to be despised.
The return of the Jews after 1917 and the subsequent year of jubilee, 1967, when all the land was restored to the Jews, including Jerusalem, is prophecy in action - the fulfillment of promises to a 'remnant' that would return.

But just because God upholds His word and his promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob does not mean that the Jews of today - Judah the southern kingdom - are grafted back into the vine, for they are still a stiff-necked and
rebellious people, still denying Yeshua as their Messiah and as for the ultra-orthodox Jews they openly blaspheme and mock Jesus and Christians.
But they are the children of promise whereas Ishmael is not.
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"They Jews became slaves and were dispersed through the nations; and became in Europe a people to be despised.
The return of the Jews after 1917 and the subsequent year of jubilee, 1967, when all the land was restored to the Jews, including Jerusalem, is prophecy in action - the fulfillment of promises to a 'remnant' that would return."

All the land ? Nope not all the land.
Gen 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
Gen 15:19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
Gen 15:20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
Gen 15:21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.
Th covenant with Abram was conditional according to Scripture
Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my law

Lev 26:40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
Lev 26:41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:
Lev 26:42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.
 
Downunder said:
It is complicated - there are a lot of issues involved in all of this.
This conflict is the continuing enmity between Ishmael (the Arabs) and Isaac (the Jews). They are half-brothers and are both Semites (Semitic peoples)
The Arabs lay claim to Jerusalem through Ismael as the first-born and the false claims written in the Quran that Abraham took Ishmael to Mount Moriah to sacrifice.

In 70 AD God divorced Judah and their temple and the priesthood along with both Jerusalem and the nation of Judah were burned and destroyed.
They Jews became slaves and were dispersed through the nations; and became in Europe a people to be despised.
The return of the Jews after 1917 and the subsequent year of jubilee, 1967, when all the land was restored to the Jews, including Jerusalem, is prophecy in action - the fulfillment of promises to a 'remnant' that would return.

But just because God upholds His word and his promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob does not mean that the Jews of today - Judah the southern kingdom - are grafted back into the vine, for they are still a stiff-necked and
rebellious people, still denying Yeshua as their Messiah and as for the ultra-orthodox Jews they openly blaspheme and mock Jesus and Christians.
But they are the children of promise whereas Ishmael is not.
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I think it is time for many to read the Old Testament over again as "a BOOK" with the concentration on the covenants. in a short span of reading time. Now that is my opinion. :eyes: so please do not grow "horns" on top of your heads.
 
What is happening now in the Middle east happened because of the current administration . Disgusting
 
Reba1 said:
"They Jews became slaves and were dispersed through the nations; and became in Europe a people to be despised.
The return of the Jews after 1917 and the subsequent year of jubilee, 1967, when all the land was restored to the Jews, including Jerusalem, is prophecy in action - the fulfillment of promises to a 'remnant' that would return."

All the land ? Nope not all the land.
Gen 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
Gen 15:19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
Gen 15:20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
Gen 15:21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.
Th covenant with Abram was conditional according to Scripture
Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my law

Lev 26:40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
Lev 26:41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:
Lev 26:42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.
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you said: " and the subsequent year of jubilee, 1967, when all the land was restored to the Jews, including Jerusalem,"

I say: "Restored By who in 1967? :eyes:
 
The next telling event is whether the USA (Biden admin) continues funding Israel's ability to effectively continue using the Iron Dome.
 
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