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Not folding to when jesus returns to destroy it ; Is what scripture says of the man of sin; the beast and its king; and the ***** That rides it is judged with fire; the ***** that has the beast With its seven pagan kings and its 8 th ( the beast king) as its foundation for it is what she rides.
The seven kings are not called beast kings
Only the 8th king is named as the BEAST KING.For it was to be become ruled by the beast king until The end of time, when it will be destroyed by Jesus, it was not to be ruled the the five fallen of the other two, but by the 8th.
Scripture tells us one of the seven kings Is for a reason.
It is telling us One Was in Johns Day at the time of his writing down the prophecy
That one was Emperor Domitian.

We show what the revelation says in order for them to come our of her.


I will add that in the time of writing of the book of revelation
THE GREAT CITY THAT RULES OVER THE KINGS OF THE EARTH WAS ROME
The prophecy of the seven kings shows the spiritual Evil authorities Opposed to the true God that were the foundations of that great city and that part of the prophecy shows what was to become of that great city Which is the babylon city of power ruling over the kings of the earth entwined with all spiritual rebellion of babylon against the true God , and the prophecy of the seven kings which are part of its history and foundation tells what throughout world history The great city will become;
that is ; It was to be ruled by a beast king That at one point in history seems to have fallen as if dead by a wound by the sword , it Is described as the beast that wasIS NOT and goes goes to perdition
It is then helped by another beast that sets up an image to it , a second beast that looks like a lamb but speaks like a dragon( satan) and deceives men on earth until the return of jesus who will destroy it and its beast king and its lamb Devil beast- that second beast that comes out of the earth, which is the means by which the Fist beast is worshipped After its total world dictatorship Over the saints and all men seemed to have been destroyed)
 
This seems to follow exactly what I am saying- there is what is written and what is spoken by mouth.

The only "tradition" that is good is what the Apostle Paul wrote in letter form, or what he spoke to his brothers in Christ directly.

2Th 2:15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter. (ESV)
 
Not sure how this supports that you can only believe in what was written, or that what was written was the only thing revealed?
The Apostle Paul was given a task to "lay the foundation" in which all Christianity would be built upon. He received this foundation not from man, but by "revelation" of Jesus Christ.
There is no other "foundation" that any man can lay except what has already been laid!!!

1Co 3:10 According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master builder I laid a foundation, and someone else is building upon it. Let each one take care how he builds upon it.
1Co 3:11 For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Any time we start believing another Gospel that is not contained within the Bible we have fallen off the road and into the ditch, which leads not to life.
 
Like you said, the mother of harlots, is headed by popes, and presides over daughter churches,
Iran etc has nothing to do with What are said to be christian churches connected to a MOTHER CHURCH
Who's foundation in ROME seven hills with its pagan kings and then an 8th king THE BEAST KING.
THE FOUNDATION OF THE ***** IS THAT WHICH SHE RIDES;
Ancient babylon is destroyed and no longer exists.

LOL I'm sorry. Your reference to the seven hills may be a little off. Seattle has seven hills, as does Albany, New York, [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athens,_Texas']Athens, Texas, [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati']Cincinnati, Ohio,Ellicott City, Maryland, and about fifty others world wide. [/URL][/URL]
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When it comes to Mystery Babylon, the common tendency amongst many Protestant theologians is to liken it to Rome. According to them, Rome is the city of seven hills. Others even equate it with Iraq, since this was home to the original Babylon. Years ago, many books were written about Saddam Hussein, who was allegedly hard at work, rebuilding Babylon. Christians gobbled up the books without truly examining the evidence. Saddam was simply rebuilding a tourist attraction where Nineveh once stood, the project was later abandoned and Saddam died on the gallows along with the prophecy books that included his name.

But when presenting a multitude of biblical evidence, people still angrily deny this interpretation because they have etched in their minds a verse or two insisting it’s still Rome, while adhering to a centuries-old theory initiated by Martin Luther. That plus today’s Catholics do not bite. In fact, a clue to the real Babylon was just presented in an article by Aaron Klein when he stated recently

“Forces in the Persian Gulf and Arab intelligence services have noted the establishment of Iranian missile launch sites aimed in the direction of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, according to Egyptian and Jordanian intelligence officials speaking to WND.”

Yet, no one in the prophecy arena has even raised a single red flag about the significance of this report; Iran (biblical Elam) must destroy Arabia. In Isaiah 21:9, Isaiah levels a prophetic oracle against Babylon using the same announcement in Revelation 18:1-2 and Revelation 14:8: “Babylon is fallen, is fallen”:

“The burden against Dumah” (Isaiah 21:11)
“The burden against Arabia” (Isaiah 21:13)
“All the glory of Kedar will fail” (Isaiah 21:16)

These are all in Arabia, which is destroyed by Iran “Elam” (Isaiah 21:2)

There has been an immense oversight by many in the field of biblical eschatology; that when it comes to the destruction of end-days Babylon, Scripture makes no mention of any of the ancient Babylonian cities: Nineveh, Ur, Babel, Erech, Accad, Sumer, Assur, Calneh, Mari, Karana, Ellpi, Eridu, Kish, or Tikrit. All of the literal references in Scripture are in Arabia.

The use “MOTHER OF HARLOTS”, while it is commonly attributed to the Vatican’s Mariology with the worship of Ishtar, history records that the worship of Ishtar “Kilili”, or “Queen of Harlots” [1] originated from Arabia, not Rome. In fact, when Muslims roam roundabout the black stone, it is a throwback to the worship of Ishtar, whom they called Athtar and Allat.

When it comes to the Harlot woman, the Kaaba is a perfect match. The black tarp is considered by Muslims to be a woman’s dress (Kiswa) as Edward Gibbons elaborated:

“…the kuswa of the magnificent Kaaba, is what is used for clothing of a [virtuous] covering, on top of it, it is written, the Kaaba’s dressing, meaning ‘we have dressed her her dress.” [2]

Everything that the harlot is described it fits the Ka’ba; dress, pearls, jewels, gold, silver and even the blasphemies etched in silver threads with golden inlays across her attire. Just the doors of the Ka’ba alone has 280 kilograms of pure gold.

The reference to a prostitute in Revelation 17 regarding the “***** of Babylon” is no coincidence:

“And the woman (*****) was arrayed in purple and scarlet color” (v. 17)…

…resembles the near copulating with the Ka’ba’s Black Stone, which historically was dedicated to Aphrodite, the prostitute goddess that was called “Aphrodite Porne” (Aphrodite the Prostitute), “the goddess adorned in purple”, similar to the depictions given in Revelation 17:4, which the Ka’ba has a scarlet-colored inner garment. John of Damascus notes:

“After the Hajj was preformed by Muhammad, the ‘rubbing and kissing the [of the Black Stone]…was extremely passionate.’”

Muslim tradition even perpetuates the blasphemy that:

“Abraham had sexual intercourse with Hagar on it” (Sahas. Heresy, Pages 88-89).

Francis Burton writes regarding the Ka’ba:

“the part of the cover (Kiswa), covering the door, is called [a Burka] just like the veil the Arabic women are wearing in front of their face…in fact, Arab mystics even compare the Ka’ba to a virgin, adorned with her finest wedding dress.” (Vol 3, page 295)

Even today during their Hajj pilgrimage, Muslims kiss, rub and caress the Black Rock.

Furthermore, it is impossible to even consider that Isaiah 21 was referring to an historic battle between Persia and ancient Babylon since the multiple references throughout are not connected to ancient Iraq but to Kedar, Tema, Dedan and Dumah, which are all in Saudi Arabia near Yathrib (Medina), and today is known as “Dumat el-Jandal.” Dumah, one of the sons of Ishmael, is also associated with Edom and Seir in Isaiah 21:11. It is believed by many that Kedar, Ishmael’s son, is the line from which Muhammad descended.

Even Muslims recognize when they read Isaiah 21, they see Isaiah 21:14-15 as the story of Muhammad when the Muslims emigrated from Mecca to Medina (Tema) in which they were fed and rescued from the sword. No westerner was able to interpret:

“The inhabitants of the land of Tema brought water to him that was thirsty, they prevented with their bread him that fled. For they fled from the swords, from the drawn sword, and from the bent bow, and from the grievousness of war.” (Isaiah 21:14-15)

The Bible depicts that in this time, it will not be like the time when Muhammad fled; all Arabia – including the Glory of Kedar (Mecca) – will be destroyed. How else can anyone interpret:

“No Arab will pitch his tent there, no shepherd will rest his flocks there” (Isaiah 13:20)

Arabs pitch tents in Arabia, not Rome. The ultimate fulfillment of this verse is the destruction of the Last-Days Babylon. We know this because the passage speaks about: “the day of the Lord” (v. 9) with the “heavens not giving light” (v. 10). This is not historical, but End-Times related.

Then we have the Red Sea:

“The earth is moved at the noise of their fall, at the cry the noise thereof was heard in the Red sea.” (Jeremiah 49:21)

The Red Sea is a geographic indicator as to where the Last-Days Babylon will be located. Look at Mecca on any map and you will see that it sits near the Red Sea. Some may object, saying that Jeremiah 49 is speaking about Edom, which was primarily located in modern day Jordan. Yet, in Ezekiel 25, “Edom” stretches from Teman (Yemen) to Dedan (Saudi Arabia)” (v. 13). Greater Edom included all of the west coast of the Arabian Peninsula.

Notice the description of her destruction:

“‘As Sodom and Gomorrah were overthrown, along with their neighboring towns,’ says the LORD, ‘so no one will live there; no man will dwell in it,’” (Jeremiah 49:18).

It is no surprise that Iran is focused on Saudi Arabia, since the Bible predicted that the harlot is destroyed by the beast she rides, that is, the nations she deceived with her spiritual harlotry—Islam.



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I do not doubt the judgment of the nations you mention
But no serious biblical scholar doubts the identity of the great city that rules over the kings of the earth as meaning ROME.
For it did and still does to some extent via the working of the man of sin; the pope.
If anybody doubts calling yourself the very title of God and his christ ; Holy Father and supreme High Priest of the universal church is NOT showing oneself To Be God, then i doubt they believe or know who God is.

The identifying of the beast; its beast king and the woman that rides it , were given in symbolic form for purposes of identification by those who worship the True God and his son Jesus Christ.
The Prophecies were not given to those blinded by satan and idols.

How many christIans in mecca or saudi Arabia has God That he commands
"come out of her my People!

Sorry i cannot help but laugh at the vatican's recent attempts to cover up what it IS
By its Dopey agents that have the ears of the world.
 
I do not doubt the judgment of the nations you mention
But no serious biblical scholar doubts the identity of the great city that rules over the kings of the earth as meaning ROME.
For it did and still does to some extent via the working of the man of sin; the pope.
If anybody doubts calling yourself the very title of God and his christ ; Holy Father and supreme High Priest of the universal church is NOT showing oneself To Be God, then i doubt they believe or know who God is.

The identifying of the beast; its beast king and the woman that rides it , were given in symbolic form for purposes of identification by those who worship the True God and his son Jesus Christ.
The Prophecies were not given to those blinded by satan and idols.

How many christIans in mecca or saudi Arabia has God That he commands
"come out of her my People!

Sorry i cannot help but laugh at the vatican's recent attempts to cover up what it IS
By its Dopey agents that have the ears of the world.

Well my brother, I'm not going to argue with you. Not all of the serious bible scholars believe what you are saying. HBUY.
 
I suppose the answer would depend on how one defines "a Christian". James Fox played both sides of the fence depending on who was in power at the time.

Cheers,
John
 
Well my brother, I'm not going to argue with you. Not all of the serious bible scholars believe what you are saying. HBUY.
I don't take them as serious

Again how many people does God have in Saudi
That he says come out of her MY People?
And when did SAUDI ever rule the kings of the earth?
Oil deals is not rule It may be good business but its not actual Ruling over the kings of the earth.
But so are Tulips if you rule the market in them

OT Babylon fell long ago ; it shall never rise from the desert You have God's own assurance in his word that is ; so it wont.
No matter how much the vatican May want it to.
They bless the koran you know?

It will be amUsing to hear of a change in saudi policy to christians.
Lets watch out for it in the news. I would not be surprised you know, the vatican are desperate to get all Their wally shabbat nonsense heard.
 
I suppose the answer would depend on how one defines "a Christian". James Fox played both sides of the fence depending on who was in power at the time.

Cheers,
John
Jesus is in power always
It is a more a question of who people followed Believed in And obeyed.
Man or God
 
Leaders come, and leaders go. Some are better role models than others. If I were to split hairs, Gay people would not be allowed to become members of a church, let alone be ordained. But then, falling short of the mark would disqualify many more if not everyone. Other than a conscience, there is nothing to stop one from starting their own church organization. Hypocrisy is the chink in the armour which gives Evil the opportunity to gain and nurture a presence. Sadly, many come to the Lord in a conditional surrender. The Antichrist is not interested in a conditional surrender; he isn't surrendering anything except in total defeat. Leadership is about understanding your followers, too. As long as they believe their leader has their best interests in mind, they can be manipulated like a marionet.
 
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