Satan’s Prime Target and focus….Israel? Or the Church??

[NoHype]

The thing is NoHype that there is no scripture anywhere prophesying specifically of a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem, unless you transfer the first rebuild to a future date.

Sorry, you are completely wrong about that.

Those early Church fathers well knew Apostle Paul was speaking directly of a literal temple in Jerusalem in the 2 Thess.2:3-4 Scripture. I well know today some try to make that temple there out to be the spiritual temple idea of Ephesians but that's hype, simply because the spiritual temple idea of Ephesians 2 involves Christ, the prophets, and Apostles as its foundation, a foundation which can never... be corrupted by any false one.

There will be a new temple built in Jerusalem for the end, and the group of orthodox Jews called the Temple Mount Faithful And Land Of Israel movement already have the cornerstones of the new temple cut, and has tried more than once to set the cornerstone in place upon the Temple Mount. Chas here on this Forum has even pointed to those with his coverage of end time prophecy markers.

Furthermore, when Jesus warned His servants about seeing the "abomination of desolation" from the Book of Daniel standing in the holy place, that was about the temple at Jerusalem. The main difference was He did not mean that physical temple that was standing at His first coming, for He was pointing to future events way past 70 A.D. Moreover, that 2nd temple of the Apostle's days burned down before the Roman army could get control of it in 70 A.D., so there was no placing of the abomination of desolation in that temple, showing that parameter was never fulfilled from the Daniel 8-12 prophecies.

Even in Rev.11:1-2 the Scripture is pointing directly to a literal temple in Jerusalem for the end, and it's shown within the 6th Trumpet 2nd Woe timing of Revelation, which is the timing when the Antichrist is to appear in Jerusalem.

Something that's also remarkable that Hippolytus said in his Discourse On The End Of The World is that the Antichrist will build that final temple in Jerusalem.

Hippolytus (217 A.D.)
"Above all, moreover, he will love the nation of the Jews. And with all these [Jews] he will work signs and terrible wonders, false wonders and not true, in order to deceive his impious equals. . . . And after that he will build the temple in Jerusalem and will restore it again speedily and give it over to the Jews" (Discourse on the End of the World 23-25 [A.D. 217]).

How would Hippolytus in 217 A.D. come to that conclusion? It's because he obviously read and understood that the Antichrist in the end is going to try to mimic our Lord Jesus' coming, for Christ is Who is to build the Millennial temple of Ezekiel 40 forward (per Zech.6).

So I don't know who all you are listening to, but you might want to open up your Bible more instead of just heeding the popular doctrines of the men you're listening to, because you obviously have missed a lot of Scripture.

 

[NoHype]

Who is true Israel? Is it the physical nation fighting for its existence in the Middle East, or is it the spiritual entity we know as the church. And if its the church, which one?

So those you're listening to think they can trump what God has already said about the nation of Israel being established forever?

Jer 31:35-37
35 Thus saith the LORD, Which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, Which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is His name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before Me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before Me for ever.
37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.
(KJV)

Can those men you listen to give the sun as a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and stars as a light by night, divide the sea when the waves roar? If not, then why do they go against what God said there with trying to do away with the literal seed of Israel in God's Plan of Salvation?

I say these things and I'm not even Jewish!

Indeed all those like Abraham that have believed have become the "children of Abraham" like Apostle Paul said. But does that do away with God's promises to the seed of Israel whom He chose? No, absolutely not. I can tell you with 100% confidence that you would not have had chance to hear and believe The Gospel if God had cut off all the seed of Israel. Have you even forgotten about the Israelite remnant, a seed according to the election of grace that Apostle Paul proclaimed in Romans 11:1-5?

Don't confuse today's unbelieving Jews within this, because Paul also showed in Romans 11 that they will be saved once God removes the blindness He put upon that part of Israel.

Rom 11:25-29
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is My covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
(KJV)

If God blinded those unbelieving Jews like Paul says there, then how can they 'hear' The Gospel in order to believe? We as believers on Christ Jesus are to understand this mystery, lest we become wise in our own conceits like Paul says. This is why I don't listen to men's doctrines today that seem to have the majority's ear. I could care less what the majority believe from those men because they are not following God's Holy Writ regarding many things written.

 

[NoHype]

the reference to the "son of perdition". Only in one other place is there such a title used, and that is in direct reference to Judas.. Now it is interesting that Paul is here comparing the character of Antichrist to that of Judas. Judas was a traitor. He was an insider who who professed loyalty to the truth, did all the right religious stuff, hung with the right crowd (for the most part), was utterly sincere in his beliefs, but throughout the whole span of his relationship with the Lord, did not know Him!!! Now the same characteristics are not attributed to the Antichrist in modern thinking, yet this is precisely what Paul was suggesting. Antichrist therefore is a religious, even Christian, entity. One that professes the truth, says all the right things, does a heap of good stuff, gives to the poor etc, but bottom line is it is bereft of truth. It is a counterfiet. Like Judas, looks like, sounds like, the real thing. Deception folks. What Jesus and Paul warned us repeatedly of throughout scripture. Deception. False prophets, false Christs.

All that sounds... good and is partially true with the "many antichrists" and "mystery of iniquity" idea from Apostles John and Paul.

But have you never read...

John 6:70-71
70 Jesus answered them, "Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?"
71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray Him, being one of the twelve.
(KJV)

How does that point to the title "son of perdition" being applied to Judas? Better yet, how could our Lord Jesus call Judas "a devil" when we know Judas is not the Devil?

It's simple, while some men constantly are trying to get away from the association of the "son of perdition" directly with Satan the Devil, they keep trying to put up roadblocks that point away from its direct association with Satan and the idea of a singular Antichrist figure.

What's especially important about the meaning of that title "son of perdition", and being applied to Judas Iscariot?

Firstly, that word "perdition" is from Greek apollumi which means to perish fully. One of Satan's titles in Rev.9:11 just so happens to be "Apollyon", a title derived from that Greek apollumi. Why? Because we KNOW Satan and his have already... been judged and sentenced to perish in the future lake of fire.

Secondly, why is that title "son of perdition" applied to Judas Iscariot whom we also KNOW as of today has NOT been judged and sentenced to perish in the lake of fire? No flesh man has been judged and sentenced just yet today, not even Judas!

That "son of perdition" title is being applied BOTH to the idea of false men that follow the Devil, AND... to directly to the Devil himself, Satan.

Thus once again, we have the evidence of yet more Scripture that there is a singular Antichrist figure (the Devil himself), and those who follow him and do his work (the "many antichrists"). That's was Apostle John's message in 1 John 2:18, it was Christ's Message in Matthew 24:5 compared to Matthew 24:23-26, and it was Apostle Paul's message in 2 Thess.2:3-4 compared to 2 Thess.2:7. One can go to our Lord's Book of Revelation and find even more direct associations of that singular Antichrist idea with the dragon and "another beast" roles.

Has not our Lord Jesus been good to us with revealing to us who the coming Antichrist that will sit in a temple in Jerusalem will actually be, i.e., the Devil himself? I think He has, that is for those who truly listen to Him in His Word instead heeding pop Christianity like it's some game.

 

[brakelite]

So I don't know who all you are listening to, but you might want to open up your Bible more instead of just heeding the popular doctrines of the men you're listening to, because you obviously have missed a lot of Scripture

C'mon nohype, stop trying to intimidate people. Your evidence for a future temple is based on just one verse in Thess. which can be interpreted in at least 3 ways. Your other evidence is one church member of early ages who happens to agree with you. Hardly the stuff of certainty. And by the way, for all your frothy protestations, it is your view that is the most popular today, just read the "Left Behind" series.
There is absolutely no Biblical conclusive evidence for a third temple. Regardless of what preparations are being made. Of course, maybe one day a third temple will be built. But it will not be because God has for-ordained it through the prophetic word.

 

[brakelite]

Has not our Lord Jesus been good to us with revealing to us who the coming Antichrist that will sit in a temple in Jerusalem will actually be, i.e., the Devil himself? I think He has, that is for those who truly listen to Him in His Word instead heeding pop Christianity like it's some game.

Lol, again you are trying to intimidate. I am not wearing it. Much of what you say is true. But you are still confused over an important matter. The Antichrist is not Satan himself, the Antichrist is his religious counterfeit of Christ, the entity that displaces Christ from the hearts and minds of the world, the same entity to which all the reformers gave witness, and to which all the Biblical evidence gives testimony, the RCC. He/she/it will be a part of Babylon the Great which will be destroyed by the kings of the earth. Satan himself however will then take control personally and will appear as Christ, impersonating Him all over the world, perhaps in a temple in Jerusalem, perhaps not. But the 7 year tribulation often spoken of nohype is a myth. The last week of Daniel's 70 week prophecy has been and gone. The 1260 days, the 42 months, and the times time and half a time, all prophetic time periods to be understood symbolically, have also been and gone.

So many Christians today are grossly deceived. They have little idea how short time is. While they await the sign of the beginning of a seven year countdown that gives them time to repent and get right with God, there is no prophetic time to be yet fulfilled, the only thing not yet evident is the future global authority to cause all the world to worship/follow/ obey/receive mark of the beast that now is. The deadly wound is already healed, and it is just a matter of convenience as to when and how she will again come to civil and religious power.

Nohype, take a look at the table below. This is how Satan has counterfeited the trinity. Note particularly how the sea beast counterfeits Christ, the sea-beast being the Antichrist, anti meaning in place of/instead of. Or vicar.

Dragon/Satan.

1. His place in heaven (Rev 12:3,7,8.)
   
2. He has a throne. (Rev 13:2, 2:13)
3. Gives throne, power, and authority to sea-beast. (13:2,4.)
4. He is worshipped. (13:4a)
5. Destroyed forever. (20:9,10)

Now compare:
God the Father

1. He has a throne. (4:5; 7:9-15; 19:4)
   
2. Gives throne, power and authority to Jesus. (Math 28:18 Rev 2:27; 3:21; chapters 4,5.)
3. Is worshipped. (Rev 4:10; 15:4)
4. Lives and reign forever. (4:9; 5:13; 11:15)
5. Dwelling in heaven (Rev 4,5)

The Land-beast or false prophet.

1. Called the false prophet because he decieves people with regards to religious matters. (16:13; 19:20; 20:10)
   
2. Lamb-like. (13:11)
3. Exercises all authority of sea-beast. (13:12a)
4. Directs worship to sea-beast. (13:12b,15)
5. Performs signs. (13:13; 19:20)
6. Brings fire down from heaven (13:13)
7. Gives breath/life to beasts image (13:15)
8. Applies mark of beast. (13:16)

Now compare:
The Holy Spirit

1. Called the Spirit of truth guiding people. (Jn 16:13 Rev 22:17)
   
2. Christ-like. (Jn 1426; 16:14)
3. Exercises authority of Christ (Jn 16:13,14)
4. Directs worship to Christ (Acts 5:29-32)
5. Grants gifts..gift of miracles eg.(1 Cor. 12:8-11)
6. Fire from heaven at Pentecost (Acts 2)
7. Instills life to us, the image of Christ. (Romans8:11,29)
8. Applies seal of God. (2 Cor 1:22 Eph 1:13 4:30 Rev 7:3,4.)

The sea-beast or antichrist.

1. Comes from water to begin activity. (13:1)
2. Resembles dragon. (12:13 13:1)
   
3. Ten diadems. (13:1)
4. Ten horns (13:1)
5. Receives power throne and authority from dragon/Satan. (13:2,4)
6. 42 months of activity in first phase. (13:5)
7. Was slain (13:3)
8. Resurrected (13:3)
9. Receives worship after healing (13:3,4,8)

Now compare:

Jesus Christ

1. Comes from water to begin ministry (Luke 3:21-23)
   
2. Resembles Father (Jn 14:19)
3. Many diadems (Rev 19:12)
4. Lamb has 7 horns (5:6)
5. Receives power throne and authority from His Father (Math 28:18 Rev 2:27 Chapters 4,5)
6. 42 months of ministry in initial phase. (Gospel of John)
7. Was slain (Rev 5:6)
8. Was resurrected (Rev1:18)
9. Received worship after resurrection (Math 28:17)

Note how very similar the prophetic characteristics of antichrist are to Jesus.

So does the above attributes match any entity or individual in the world today? How does the above sea-beast or antichrist counterfeit the threefold ministry of the true Christ, as Priest, Prophet and King? Is there an entity in the world today who claims to do just this? Is there one like Judas who is betraying the Master with a kiss, all the while claiming to be a friend? Is there in the world today a religious system or religious ruler who claims to be the earthly representative of Christ as His priest, claiming to be a mediator between God and man? Claiming to forgive sin even, which is the sole prerogative of God?
Does this entity also claim the prerogatives of a prophet? Does it claim to speak for God in spiritual matters? Does it claim to stand as God’s spokesman on earth and claim that only through it’s authority can salvation be found?
And finally, does this entity also claim to be a king? Does it claim authority as a secular power? Does it exercise authority and power within the auspices of a church/state relationship?
The answer my friends to all the above questions is a firm yes.There is an entity in the world today who claims all the above Godly prerogatives which belong only to Jesus Christ. Priest, prophet and king.This entity has set itself up as counterfeit and thus can be affirmatively identified as the antichrist, the impostor and impersonator of the true. And this entity can be found in the Roman Catholic church system.

 

[Eric E Stahl]

Revelation 12:
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


(((Now the church)))


10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

(((Then Israel)))


13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

[NoHype]

C'mon nohype, stop trying to intimidate people. Your evidence for a future temple is based on just one verse in Thess. which can be interpreted in at least 3 ways. Your other evidence is one church member of early ages who happens to agree with you. Hardly the stuff of certainty. And by the way, for all your frothy protestations, it is your view that is the most popular today, just read the "Left Behind" series.
There is absolutely no Biblical conclusive evidence for a third temple. Regardless of what preparations are being made. Of course, maybe one day a third temple will be built. But it will not be because God has for-ordained it through the prophetic word.

What Christ forewarned His in Matt.24:15-28 about a pseudo-Christ coming to not be deceived when they shall say he is Christ, and the placing of the abomination idol from the Book of Daniel He also mentioned there, that is plenty enough proof of another physical temple built in Jerusalem for the end of this world prior to Christ's return.

What Apostle Paul warned in 2 Thess.2:3-4 about that is yet another proof. The picture of a temple in Jerusalem given at the first of Rev.11 with the Gentiles treading its outer court for 42 months (last 1260 days of Daniel's final "one week") is also enough Biblical proof for me.

So I don't have to question why Hippolytus of the 2nd-3rd century A.D. wrote the following about that event, for I well know where and how he came to that conclusion.

Hippolytus (217 A.D.)
"Above all, moreover, he will love the nation of the Jews. And with all these [Jews] he will work signs and terrible wonders, false wonders and not true, in order to deceive his impious equals. . . . And after that he will build the temple in Jerusalem and will restore it again speedily and give it over to the Jews" (Discourse on the End of the World 23-25 [A.D. 217]).

Hippolytus was a disciple of Irenaeus who was a disciple of Polycarp who was a disciple of Apostle John.

 

[rawprawn]

I think it is important to note that Israel was a man, a very special man originally named Jacob. The descendants of that man became known as Israel, and that did not mean they would all walk with God. Christianity is a nation in the same way that Israel was, is. A descendant of Christ is someone who has been born again into the family of Jesus. That does not mean that all Christians walk with God. True Israel was spiritual, just as the true church is spiritual. When Jesus said the gentile Christians had been grafted into Israel, he was not saying that they were all now Jews. Christians from every nation are still members of spiritual Israel today. Jacob was renamed "Israel" because of his behavior. At the end of the day, how we respond to the law of Jesus is what really matters. I think Satan's target is to be god of this planet whatever that takes.
Prophecy is interesting to discuss, and I think it is important to keep in mind that the purpose of prophecy is to serve as a witness after an event has taken place. Prophecy is a testimony after an event. We can speculate about what prophecy means, and we need to, we need to keep watch. It is also very important to keep our minds and eyes opened. I think a lot of Christians may be denying Islam's role in prophecy. Someone discussed the temple in Jerusalem being rebuilt in the posts above. The Dome of the Rock, a Muslim mosque already stands on the site of the old temple. I consider that to be a desecration of the Holy Place. Islam is certainly anti Christ and they try very hard to hide it.

 

[NoHype]

I think it is important to note that Israel was a man, a very special man originally named Jacob. The descendants of that man became known as Israel, and that did not mean they would all walk with God. Christianity is a nation in the same way that Israel was, is. A descendant of Christ is someone who has been born again into the family of Jesus. That does not mean that all Christians walk with God. True Israel was spiritual, just as the true church is spiritual. When Jesus said the gentile Christians had been grafted into Israel, he was not saying that they were all now Jews. Christians from every nation are still members of spiritual Israel today. Jacob was renamed "Israel" because of his behavior. At the end of the day, how we respond to the law of Jesus is what really matters. I think Satan's target is to be god of this planet whatever that takes.
Prophecy is interesting to discuss, and I think it is important to keep in mind that the purpose of prophecy is to serve as a witness after an event has taken place. Prophecy is a testimony after an event. We can speculate about what prophecy means, and we need to, we need to keep watch. It is also very important to keep our minds and eyes opened. I think a lot of Christians may be denying Islam's role in prophecy. Someone discussed the temple in Jerusalem being rebuilt in the posts above. The Dome of the Rock, a Muslim mosque already stands on the site of the old temple. I consider that to be a desecration of the Holy Place. Islam is certainly anti Christ and they try very hard to hide it.

I grasp your overall point, but... our Heavenly Father said He tells of us things before they happen (Isaiah 42:9), and that is actually what defines prophecy, meaning He tells us before an event comes to pass. The reason many don't know what a prophecy means before it comes to pass is mainly because of not staying in God's Word with listening to Him. Many instead heed men's doctrines instead for various reasons.

Those in Jerusalem today have been working out a place to build the next temple that won't conflict with Islam's Dome of The Rock. Those like Hippolytus in the 2nd century weighed the Scriptures carefully on the existence of a temple in Jerusalem that the false one will come to sit in, and most likely had that leading from Christ's Apostle John, via Irenaeus and Polycarp.

And if Apostle Paul's Epistle of 2 Thess.2 is read carefully, that's the obvious conclusion also. So it's not like that is a mystery no one really can determine. The 2 Thess.2:3-4 Scripture is open, revealed, not closed.

 

[rawprawn]

"Behold the former things (those prophesied) have come to pass". Now I tell you new things. Prophecy is of no value until the event has passed.

 

[NoHype]

"Behold the former things (those prophesied) have come to pass". Now I tell you new things. Prophecy is of no value until the event has passed.

Isa 42:9
9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
(KJV)

You left out that phrase that's underlined.

The whole point of God's prophecies is as a warning to His people. That's the idea of that verse. That's why Jesus told us to be on 'watch'.


Matt 24:42-43
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
(KJV)

 

[rawprawn]

NoHype I think both to warn and as a testimony.Revelation 19:10 And I fell down before his feet to worship him. And he saith unto me, See thou do it not: I am a fellow-servant with thee and with thy brethren that hold the testimony of Jesus: worship God; for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Prophecy is certainly to warn, I don't deny that. It also serves as a testimony after the fact, a witness. It is the prophecies in the OT about Jesus that testified that he was the Messiah once he arrived. The thing with prophecy as a warning is that it is never so clear. If the OT prophecies about the Messiah were clear I do not think the Jews would have missed the Messiah. Some however seemed to have those prophecies explained to them by the Holy Spirit. They could see that Jesus was the Messiah. Really, I think anyone who really knows what a prophecy means has to be inspired by the Holy Spirit to do so. It was the Spirit of prophecy that testified to those in Jesus time that He was the Messiah, regardless of what was written by the prophets ahead of Him. I have in the past spent countless hours pouring over the Bible trying to work out what various prophecies mean today. I now believe these things will all be revealed to those whom God chooses in His time. They are interesting, and not what really matters. I think trying to live by the Law Jesus set down is the key focus for everyone.

 

[farout]

Satan wants most of all is YOU. Just a little doubting, like was creation actually one as he Bible says in 6 real days. Did a huge fish really swallow a ma? Was Jesus Christ born of a virgin? Was Jesus really sinless? Did Jesus really rise from the dead? Was Jesus really GOD? Is the Bible true and trustworthy from cover to cover

Are those who reject Jesus really going to Hell? If you doubt any of these things Satan has you in his aim and a trap is waiting for you to step on in.

Any thoughts

 

[NoHype]

NoHype I think both to warn and as a testimony.Revelation 19:10 And I fell down before his feet to worship him. And he saith unto me, See thou do it not: I am a fellow-servant with thee and with thy brethren that hold the testimony of Jesus: worship God; for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Prophecy is certainly to warn, I don't deny that. It also serves as a testimony after the fact, a witness. It is the prophecies in the OT about Jesus that testified that he was the Messiah once he arrived. The thing with prophecy as a warning is that it is never so clear. If the OT prophecies about the Messiah were clear I do not think the Jews would have missed the Messiah. Some however seemed to have those prophecies explained to them by the Holy Spirit. They could see that Jesus was the Messiah. Really, I think anyone who really knows what a prophecy means has to be inspired by the Holy Spirit to do so. It was the Spirit of prophecy that testified to those in Jesus time that He was the Messiah, regardless of what was written by the prophets ahead of Him.

Yes, I definitely agree with that. Not all prophecy is simply about a warning, but a Testimony of things to come also, i.e., good things too.

I have in the past spent countless hours pouring over the Bible trying to work out what various prophecies mean today. I now believe these things will all be revealed to those whom God chooses in His time. They are interesting, and not what really matters. I think trying to live by the Law Jesus set down is the key focus for everyone.

With some of that I strongly disagree. I believe today more than ever before, our Lord's Book of Revelation is fully opened up to this present generation of believers like never before, and that because the end of this world is that close. But I also believe God has closed it off to some in the Church because of their not listening to Him, but to men instead.

 

[brakelite]

"Behold the former things (those prophesied) have come to pass". Now I tell you new things. Prophecy is of no value until the event has passed.

John 14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

"Behold the former things (those prophesied) have come to pass". Now I tell you new things. Prophecy is of no value until the event has passed.

There is more to prophesy than merely predicting the future. Biblically , prophesy is speaking the word/will of God into a situation; "Let him who has ears to hear hear."

SLE