Satan's Voice

[Coconut]

Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

Coconut, thank you for your wise response, you are very correct we should gain knowledge on our Lord Jesus Christ and learn about the attributes of the Lord. But we are not to be deceived by the darts of the devil, we should teach ourselves how to overcome the devil and Eph 6:10-18 tells us how. That is by arming yourself each day using Scripture in this passage, so I'm not wrong, maybe I mis-worded how I was trying to explain it, but the truth still implies that we need to have the full armour of God on so we are not deceived..

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Actually, the truth doesnt "imply" we need to have the full armour of God, it states it quite plainly. You are attemping to make the "full armour of God" include our needing knowledge of satanism, when the "full armour of God" does not include that piece of equipment , but I repeat myself.

1Jn 4:4 Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.
1Jn 4:5 They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them.
1Jn 4:6 We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

 

[rizen1]

Neil Anderson


SATAN'S VOICE

1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world


Paul warned us against the deception which comes through demonic influence (1 Timothy 4:1). John also cautioned us to test the spirits and to distinguish the spirit of truth from the spirit of error (1 John 4:1-6). Satan's demonic forces are at work attempting to pollute your mind with lies in order to keep you from walking in the truth. Hannah Whitehall Smith wrote:

There are the voices of evil and deceiving spirits, who lie in wait to entrap every traveler entering these higher regions of spiritual life. . . . These spiritual enemies, whoever or whatever they may be, must necessarily communicate with us by means of our spiritual faculties, and their voices, as the voice of God, are an inward impression made upon our spirit. Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit may tell us by impressions what the will of God is concerning us, so also will these spiritual enemies tell us by impression what is their will concerning us, though not, of course, giving it their name" (Quoted from Martin Wells Knapp, Impressions , Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishing, Inc., 1984, pp. 14-15).

Due to the deceptive nature of his impressions, Satan's voice may not always be detected objectively. You need to pray in order to disassociate yourself from deceiving spirits.

Prayer:

Heavenly Father, I commit myself unreservedly to Your will. If I have been deceived in any way, I pray that You will open my eyes to the deception. I command in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ that all deceiving spirits depart from me, and I renounce and reject all counterfeit gifts (or any other spiritual phenomena). Lord, if it is from You, bless it and cause it to grow that Your body may be blessed and edified through it.

"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves" - Mt 7:15

Mt.7:15-16, "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits…"

1 John 4:1-3
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try [test] the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God:


I just want to thank Atonement and Paganmystic for there contributions, unfortunately the topic is making others uncomfortable. I understand you both wanting to info us about " Satanism ",for how else do I convert a person or clean a stain without knowing where it came from.

I truly enjoy Neil Anderson's teachings on Spiritual Warfare, Occult and hearing the testimonies of those who have been set free.

For now let's just sound the alarm that, the Devil is a Liar and he wants us Dead. Just like we talk about Jehovah Witnesses, Satanism too is a cult that needs exposing. From my knowledge most satanist don't confess to worshipping the devil, its more about self and embracing good and evil etc. They need prayer, so God will remove the blindfolds.

I would suggest, you both write something on " Satanism " send it to Chad and get his permission to post it. ( With scripture included )

When going to war, no matter how powerful your army is, knowing your enemy's strength and weaknesses gives you the advantage.

I believe the devil has power ( I've seen it in action many times up close ), but because of the blood of Jesus he has no power over me.


Be blessed everyone.

 

[paganmystic]

Well Atonement you know what, LadyLoveJesus is absolutely right. The more we discuss the other one the more credibility we give him. The truth is Satan owes his existence to God as well (really no different than us). The closer we to Jesus the further we from the other, and the less accessible we are to him. This is what the Ministry of Christ was all about. The more love and trust we focus on God/Jesus the less there is on the other.

Please don't forget the Prayer Meeting today at 1 pacific time. I know there are many many people that need to be bathed in our combined Holy Spirit reached out and transplanted where we are. All power and glory to our Lord and Saviour

your brother in Christ

 

[rizen1]

The more we discuss the other one the more credibility we give him.
your brother in Christ

The other one ..who the Devil, Satan

That's true our discussions should always be on exposing him for who he is.

Titles and names
Of the Devil

Abaddon (Revelation 9:11).
Accuser of our brethren (Revelation 12:10).
Adversary (1 Peter 5:8).
Angel of Light (2 Corinthians 11:14).
Angel of the bottomless pit (Revelation 9:11).
Antichrist (1 John 4:3).
Apollyon (Revelation 9:11).
Beelzebub (Matthew 12:24).
Belial (2 Corinthians 6:15).
Crooked serpent (Isaiah 27:1).
Devil (Matthew 4:1).
Dragon (Isaiah 27:1; Revelation 12:3; 20:2).
Enemy (Matthew 13:39).
Father of lies (John 8:44).
God of this World (2 Corinthians 4:4).
Leviathan (Isaiah 27:1).
Liar (John 8:44).
Lucifer (Isaiah 14:12).
Lying spirit (1 Kings 22:22).
Murderer (John 8:44).
Old serpent (Revelation 12:9; 20:2).
Piercing serpent (Isaiah 27:1).
Power of darkness (Colossians 1:13).
Prince of the devils (Matthew 12:24).
Prince of the power of the air (Ephesians 2:2).
Prince of this world (John 14:30).
Roaring lion (1 Peter 5:8).
Ruler of this world (John 12:31; 16:11).
Satan (1 Chronicles 21:1; Job 1:6; John 13:27; Acts 5:3; 26:18; Romans 16:20).
Serpent (Genesis 3:4, 14; 2 Corinthians 11:3).
Son of the Morning (Isaiah 14:12).
Spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience (Ephesians 2:2).
Swine (Matthew 7:6).
Tempter (Matthew 4:3; 1 Thessalonians 3:5).
Unclean spirit (Matthew 12:43).
Wicked one (Matthew 13:19, 38).embassyofheaven.com

 

[paganmystic]

thank you Coconut. The Armour of God is automatic for all who, through faith defend the righteousness in life. Our faith, knowledge in The Word and its application through the Gospels, and our adherence to the truth. These 3 things are the Armour of God, I guess many people picture or visualize gear you actual strap on(figuratively). But it is not, what I push and push, it is all about the way we live day by day, the lifestyle we choose to lead. This is what makes us Christians and guarantees our salvation, not the man-made doctrine of the religious. Regardless of its inspiration man-made doctrine is still corruptible, therefore not based on the Truth of our Lord and Saviour. The Gospels were written during the life of Christ ... they are His words, His explanations and His definitions. They are not a man's perception of what they what us to believe. I know that was Jesus' intent with His statement, "Let the dead bury the dead, those that what Life follow me.". It goes hand in hand with Matthew 7:21>23, Some religious people will be lost. That's why our focus has to be on the truth of the Gospels and not man made rhetoric.

 

[Atonement]

I understand, and thank you all for your post. Since I deal with Satanist at least three times a month, because that is also apart of my ministry, I must equip myself to gain knowledge on this topic everyday, so I'm better prepaird to answer the hard questions from them. Just like if I were to go speak to a evolutionist or atheist, I must have the knowledge to answer such questions regarding evolution, or the proof of God.. I guess some people just don't understand this, and I don't expect everyone too.

Again, sorry that this topic was brought up, some have different opinions on matters like this. I just expressed mine which did not go over to well. I was hoping some would understand, maybe not.

God Bless you all brother and sisters

 

[rizen1]

God bless you Atonement, for the humble apology.

I too must be careful on what I post, neil Anderson's teachings are all about deliverance from the Occult and Spiritual Warfare. Demonic activity you name he covers it and I try to study it.

And also being in a ministry where I meet people in those situations all the time, I tend to go into it.

We serve a mighty God.

God bless you.

 

[Atonement]

God bless you Atonement, for the humble apology.

I too must be careful on what I post, neil Anderson's teachings are all about deliverance from the Occult and Spiritual Warfare. Demonic activity you name he covers it and I try to study it.

And also being in a ministry where I meet people in those situations all the time, I tend to go into it.

We serve a mighty God.

God bless you.

You are most welcome. It's very true what you just said. Each of us has a part in the Kingdom. My heart is for the youth and for Satanist because of my past with them. I can not help who I am in the Lord and where He has put me to help serve for His purpose in the Kingdom. All I can ask is that people respect it, even if they don't fully understand it. So far I see people don't fully understand so they want the door closed to it. I must test the waters here so I'm aware of what I am able to talk about!

Just taking mental notes along this travel path hehe

 

[paganmystic]

Atonement and rizen1 both of you have plenty of good things to say, with my own back ground, I too understand the need to remain both faithful and informed in todays world as we are also frontline soldiers we have been to the enemy's camps, the dark places in our world to light the torch to the Lord.(quite the drama speech EH!!!) It was difficult for me to make that reply in support of LLJ, but we have such a huge cross section here. I know many won't understand who we have to deal with in our Lord's name. Atonement I am really looking forward to talking to you more and as for rizen1... lol darlin' I love your posts as I have stated in the past. With these last posts by you 2 I know you also understand. I will be including a prayer today to give us the forum here to deal with our work. Others here in TJ have been in open and frank discussions with Islamic Muslims on Christianity as well. God bless them, they also need our support and guidance in these matters. All of our good works of faith have to continue and will according to the Lord's Will there is zero doubt there.

May the Lord bless us all with each step we take with Him in our journey with Jesus

 

[charrot551]

I've been a victim of this,,,,,but God help me to open my eyes and to see truth, i seek for his help and he helps me.Thank you Jesus thank you God!

 

[charrot551]

God is so powerful and so good i trust him! His my refuge and my rock!

 

[Atonement]

I've been a victim of this,,,,,but God help me to open my eyes and to see truth, i seek for his help and he helps me.Thank you Jesus thank you God!

You are no longer a victim..

Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

 

[Janette]

Got Jesus?

Woah horse!

I have to say I think this thread has gone way off the track from where Risen1 was taking it when it started. I am worried for where it may go next.

The point the original Scripture quoted makes pretty clearly is that some of the folks out there are (knowingly or unknowingly) allied with the spirit of the Antichrist. The verses also teach a way you can peg some of those people so you can avoid being deceived by them. It's good to know those people are out there, and good to know one of the ways God gave us to point them out. God gave us those verses of Scripture and that knowlege because we need it - especially today.

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But then somehow people posted quotes from the standpoint of those who are lost. And this seemed to lead to further curiousity -- about what *they* think, from *their* twisted and Satanically bound point of view. I don't need to see that. It shouldn't be on here. What if those quotes were demonically inspired? What influences could words scripted by the Devil himself have over an unsuspecting reader?

I understand how you think it exemplifies how "bad" or selfish those people are...but for every person who reads such diatribes and gets "ill" as a result, there may be one who reads it and gets "hooked" instead. We shouldn't be a vehicle for that...ever.

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Further, let us lay aside any attempt to twist scripture to give us license to study that which is evil. Studying paganism to "get a feel" for what they think and believe is about as good for you as licking an ashtray to get a better idea of a smoker's mentality. It's dirty, and even a five year old usually has the instincts not to want to touch it.

In human warfare one must become intimately acquainted with his enemy in order to learn enough to defeat him. The risk - as any study of history will show you - is that sometimes the enemy's ways start to have more appeal than your own. Every nation on Earth has lost at least one citizen to defection.

In spiritual warfare - the stakes are too high. You are not battling for lines on a map or control of mortal resources. You're battling for souls and the win (or loss) is forever in the end. That is why Christ battled the Devil for us. He offered Himself in single combat (and won!) so that *none* of us would have to be caught in the crossfire. If we then run behind enemy lines to see what they are doing, we willfully abdicate that protection He suffered and died to bring us.

I don't hide my history and I'm not asking others to do so. But it would *never* occur to me to quote any of the philosophical lies that held me in bondage when I was a pagan. I wish I could forget them, and I'd never inflict them on anyone else.

Let's not quote any more nonesense about unscriptural oxymorons like "responsible hedonism" and get back to glorifying God.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

You are attemping to make the "full armour of God" include our needing knowledge of satanism, when the "full armour of God" does not include that piece of equipment

Coconut, I respectfully disagree with you here. "Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes." (Eph 6:11).Doesn't Satanism qualify as one of his schemes? How can the "full armor" not include knowledge of how Satan operates and what he's up to?

What army does not make a strong effort to spy out its enemy's organizational structure, weaponry, and plans? Armies use highly sophisticated things like Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (aka drone airplanes) to spy on the enemy and gain the edge. They must do this in order to have any chance of victory.

Likewise, its critically important for us to have knowledge of Satan's tactics so that we can be effective in countering his moves.

SLE

 

[Atonement]

Coconut, I respectfully disagree with you here. "Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes." (Eph 6:11).Doesn't Satanism qualify as one of his schemes? How can the "full armor" not include knowledge of how Satan operates and what he's up to?

What army does not make a strong effort to spy out its enemy's organizational structure, weaponry, and plans? Armies use highly sophisticated things like Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (aka drone airplanes) to spy on the enemy and gain the edge. They must do this in order to have any chance of victory.

Likewise, its critically important for us to have knowledge of Satan's tactics so that we can be effective in countering his moves.

SLE

Thank you SpiritLedEd, not for taking any sides, but for telling the truth through Scripture as it's written. I was not going to battle back and forth with Coconut, she's my sister in Christ, And I'm just not here for that. I'm here to learn from others and teach others if possible;

Thanks again brother

 

[Coconut]

Coconut, I respectfully disagree with you here. "Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes." (Eph 6:11).Doesn't Satanism qualify as one of his schemes? How can the "full armor" not include knowledge of how Satan operates and what he's up to?

What army does not make a strong effort to spy out its enemy's organizational structure, weaponry, and plans? Armies use highly sophisticated things like Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (aka drone airplanes) to spy on the enemy and gain the edge. They must do this in order to have any chance of victory.

Likewise, its critically important for us to have knowledge of Satan's tactics so that we can be effective in countering his moves.

SLE

Ah SLE...you know I`d like to agree with you, but then we`d both be wrong

If we were battling flesh, perhaps you would have a valid point, but even then I would`nt be so sure, for isnt the knowing the enemys tactics the commanders job?


You ask "How can the "full armor" not include knowledge of how Satan operates and what he's up to?"

And I`m bound by the Book to answer, because its not showing up in the list of armor. I dont even see where it would fit in a sub-category.


Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual
forces of evil in the heavenly places.


Belt of Truth
Breastplate of Righteousness
Shield of Faith (with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one
Helmet of Salvation
Sword of the Spirit (which is the word of God)
and, [as] Shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace.
Praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm.



Heb 11:32 And what more shall I say? For time would fail me to tell of Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, of David and Samuel and the prophets--who through faith conquered kingdoms, enforced justice, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, were made strong out of weakness, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight.


1Co 2:2 For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness and in fear and much trembling, and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
1Co 2:6 Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory.

I sincerely do not see knowledge of "satanism" as being necessary armor for a Christian...if you want to know its one thing, to propose its necessary [to be front line soldiers, or to understand what we have to battle in the Lords name - what was that????] is not in accordance with the Word.

As Janette asked, do you have to know all about child molestation to know its evil? Is not knowing it is evil enough? We all have the knowledge of good and evil do we not? I propose anyone with an e-Sword do a word search of the NT word "knowledge" and see where it points to (or to Whom)


Joh 10:3 To Him [the Shepherd] the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
Joh 10:4 When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice.
Joh 10:5 A stranger they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers."

 

[Atonement]

I sincerely do not see knowledge of "satanism" as being necessary armor for a Christian...if you want to know its one thing, to propose its necessary [to be front line soldiers, or to understand what we have to battle in the Lords name - what was that????] is not in accordance with the Word.

Okay let's play it your way for a moment Coconut: Maybe this will help shed some light..

Here are some questions that I have answered from Satanist before, and these are usually asked and answered before I can even dig into the Word of God; which is the last thing you do with a Satanist because they will laugh and reject it (and you). You have such little knowledge on this topic.. It's sad because you must first have common ground with them. I think you would know this if God put you in that position...

Questions:

1) Polytheist cannot accept the idea that the Christian God is the true cosmic God. Can you tell me why?

2) Do you know the difference between Satanism and devil worship?

3) What do Satanist call themselves?

4) What is the first Satanic rule on earth?


You will not find a single verse in the Bible to answer these: Again Coconut a common ground is a MUST with them.. Once common ground is met, you can gradually bring the Word of God into the topic, once their guard is down..

Coconut you were not called by God to preach to Satanist, but 'others were'. Please tell me Coconut, how does one "know" something without researching, studing or digging into that topic? Again if I were to preach to an evolutionist, would'nt I walk in that place foolishly if I had no knowledge on the topic? Of course! So why would I even approach an evolutionist at all? Your position in the Lord is not my position in the Lord; seek the Lord and humble yourself to the job God has given to other brother and sisters. You can not understand this, because you don't live this everyday.. Others do.. So you have no knowledge on this topic at all.. At all!!


Coconut, this topic is about Satan's voice. And Satan's voice roars loud in Satanism, if you dislike this topic, maybe this topic you should leave alone? I would not respond to a thread I had little knowledge on.. I know nothing.. I repeat nothing about the Muslim faith, so I would not respond to a Muslim thread..

 

[Coconut]

2Ti 3:14 But as for you, continue in the truths that you were taught and firmly believe. You know who your teachers were,
2Ti 3:15 and you remember that ever since you were a child, you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching the truth, rebuking error, correcting faults, and giving instruction for right living,
2Ti 3:17 so that the person who serves God may be fully qualified and equipped to do every kind of good deed.


Jas 1:16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brothers.
Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.
Jas 1:18 Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
Jas 1:19 Know this, my beloved brothers: let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger;
Jas 1:20 for the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God.
Jas 1:21 Therefore put away all filthiness and rampant wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.

Act 4:8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, "Rulers of the people and elders,
Act 4:9 if we are being examined today concerning a good deed done to a crippled man, by what means this man has been healed,
Act 4:10 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead--by him this man is standing before you well.
Act 4:11 This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone.
Act 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."
Act 4:13 [/B]Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were uneducated, common men, they were astonished. And they recognized that they had been with Jesus.[/B]

That reminds me...a few weeks ago I was approached (private message)
by a professed High Priestess of the Coven of Witches...(I had neither previously ever talked to her or met her, apparently she sought me out) ...her message was "Please don`t try to save me, I am happy being a witch..."

I smiled...(glory to God!) and sent her the Word of the Lord, where He proclaims He alone is our only true PEACE...

Fellowservant had a similiar experience one day when he was out walking in his hometown, and a stranger (from out of town) hollered out, "this man is born again" for no 'apparent' reason.

Act 16:16 As we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit of divination and brought her owners much gain by fortune-telling.
Act 16:17 She followed Paul and us, crying out, "These men are servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to you the way of salvation."

Once common ground is met, you can gradually bring the Word of God into the topic, once their guard is down..

Who are you trying to fool...the "spirits" know who you are...and if you have been with Jesus...they also knows where you get your power...and that power does not depend on what you know, but WHO you know, amen.

Zec 4:6 Then he said to me, "This is the word of the LORD ...Not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit, says the LORD of hosts.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

If we were battling flesh, perhaps you would have a valid point, but even then I would`nt be so sure, for isnt the knowing the enemys tactics the commanders job?

Coconut: Knowing the enemy's plans is indeed the commander's job in spiritual warfare as well as in carnal warfare. But, the commander knowing the enemy's plans is futile if he keeps all the information to himself and does not make it available as needed down through the ranks.

We have to keep as up-to-date as possible on what Satan is doing because he is a cunning deceiver. 2 Cor 11:14-15 says. "...Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It's not surprising if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness..."

Also, you commented, I believe, that you didn't see knowledge of Satan's tactics on the "Full Armor of God" listed in Ephesians 6. Technically, you are correct. It isn't mentioned specifically. However, you mentioned verse 18 of that chapter: "And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. " Its not a stretch then, in my opinion, to see such requests including seeking help in keeping track of the devil's antics.

SLE

 

[rizen1]

As Janette asked, do you have to know all about child molestation to know its evil?

She's is right you don't have to know about it to label it evil.
The knowledge of " child molestation " is best used for counselling victims. Also during this study, you're able to identify who are potential child molesters, and most importantly for prevention.

You have to study drug addicts to get a better understanding on ways of prevention. Also when these cases are exposed to the public,then society gets the chance to see the downfalls of drug addiction, and what drives people to it.



As Christians the word of God comes first, its our manual -the sword needed to battle the devil's lies. I agree that researching/ studing the occult can be stressful spiritually and to the weaker Christian can bring confusion/curiosity ( if the study is without scripture ).
I've never witnessed a study where the bible was not included,... how do you expose lies if the truth (bible) is not present?

Most people who are in cults don't know the history or where the beliefs came from. That's why membership is high, sadly because the packaging is so pretty they don't even realise the bottle of poison inside. The fear of ruining the outside, distracts them from looking inside.

I remember once talking to a Jehovah Witness, I acted like I knew nothing about the bible letting her talk. When she was done, I started asking her about the history of JW, she had no clue about some of the stuff I said, because its not in her JW bible and there was no way for her to call me a liar, because I had names and dates and references. I got her attention and to her surprise I pulled out my bible from my bag. The discussion went on for a bit. Carefully and with love I was removing the " pretty gift paper " to expose the poison inside the package.


The Holy Spirit leads everyone differently in their methods of witnessing, because environment and culture varies.

We don't have to study Satanism ( not talking about studying the devil, satanism is a religion/cult/ way of thinking ),because it would be unhealthy to focus on the occult ( any cult ) daily, unless you're currently witnessing to someone in a cult and you want to expose the poison inside...

We serve a mighty God who uses those with knowledge and those without to preach the gospel and expose the devil's lies. The only time I discourage people from studying cults are when their beliefs in God and the bible are not solid. You can be curious but if you don't know what you believe in, that's the only time deception/confusion can win.

Its all about being led by the spirit. Case closed. If God didn't send you there, don't go. I'm not called to cast out demons, so you wouldn't find me researching on it or praying for insight.

I didn't even realise this thread was still going..lol

Everyone be blessed, I love these discussion..I learn stuff all the time, its good to hear from elders, I'm still growing and have a lot to learn.

I want to thank everyone for commenting.


A lie must be present for truth to have value.
And the only way for "truth'' to become a fact a " lie " must be exposed.
Then again truth can be anything we choose to believe.....rizen1