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Should Christians smoke?

You make no sense to me rag4acrown and thiscrosshurts you want to blend with the world that's surely not right
I only posted scripture and not my will or opinion.
Whatever is not of faith is sin so if someone has faith that God allows them something then it would be sin for me to judge their faith because I don't have faith that I can judge another's faith before God.
 
You make no sense to me rag4acrown and thiscrosshurts you want to blend with the world that's surely not right

my thought is is that its wrong because its harmful...

Our very environment is harmful. Our friends and our families are harmful. Should we kill them all and commit suicide to remove ourselves from it? God forbid!

Jesus prayed these words:

"I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil." John 17:15

We are in the evil and also the evil is in us. We cannot remove the evil. Only God can do that... but we must allow it. Each person must walk the pathway that God has put before them. Each person must strive to avoid even the appearance of evil, but sometimes things are just as they seem to us. Sometimes we cannot pray as we should pray, but God will help us to do that as well.

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem 10:23

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26

"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you:.." Acts 1:8
 
My comment on gluttony was in response to whether smoking was a sin. In pointing at someone else's sin we must deal with our own and you're right gluttony is common and varied in origin that is why I used it as an example. It should though hopefully encourage self reflection as we are all guilty. Hence let yes be yes and no no. There was a Pastor I knew who wouldn't baptism a person if they smoked or drank etc. he had his reasons but I couldn't help but feel that he was filtering those who were being called on his terms.
Hi! 'Michele'
If I understood your Comment correctly, I think yer sayin' that no one is perfect as yet ... Christianity is a maturing process ... similar to growing children, one may accomplish walking faster than others ... or, master language more readily than others. Regardless of their individual progress (or perceived lack of progress), the children are nonetheless progressing at a pace determined by their own abilities and personalities.
If this is so, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
I'm acquainted with some Christians who had ceased smoking within hours and/or days of accepting the Gospel. I also know of others who struggled with the addiction for more than a few years.
I'm reminded of a married couple who I've known extremely well for many years. The husband suddenly lost his employment and immediately sank into a frenzied anxiety and suffocating depression. The husband became so distraught and desperate to provide for his family that he stupidly stole some property to hopefully exchange for rent payment and food.
The wife was unaware of the horrible depths of her husband's depression. Furthermore, she found herself incapable of dealing with her sullen 'couch-potato' husband's lack of affection and sought out extramarital affairs.
When the husband accidentally discovered the activities of his wife, it simply exaggerated the husband;s already precarious emotional posture.
To make a long story short, the amateur thief husband was arrested and, while he was awaiting trial in a local jail, his wife visited him.
These are near exactly the words which the husband told me about that visit:
The wife accusingly asked: "How could you decide to steal property from those closed stores?"
The husband replied: "How could you decide to screw the neighborhood?"
Neither one admitted their own sin ... but both were quick to expose the sin of the other.
I think that many Christians wrongly behave as this husband and wife ... they eagerly expose everyone's sin but their own.
Ummm, returning to the story about the husband and wife:
The husband repented and made every effort to heal his marriage. The wife continued to justify her sin, (through blaming her husband), and ended up stealing another married Christian's husband and marrying him ... even abandoning her four year old son to the Children's Aid to assist in the transition. (The husband eventually rescued the child and raised him alone).
 
the very foods we consume are very harmful to the body; you know, the food from your local grocery store, that has absorbed how many cancer causing pesticides. Think about it next can of corn or green beans you open or the fruits and produce you buy at the worldly grocery.

Instead of being so consumed by what is wrong, how about getting in touch with the Righteous ONE and focus on HIM; allow Him to show you what is wrong in you and you won't have so much time to point fingers at others but rather love them and tell them about Jesus. Praise God HE loves them good ole smokers. Jesus loves us ALL. He died for ALL mankind.

If ones heart condemns them, it is sin. From the heart God knows us and from the heart we shall know God.
Best to allow God to work inside the vessel, so the outside may be clean also.
 
Our very environment is harmful. Our friends and our families are harmful. Should we kill them all and commit suicide to remove ourselves from it?

I would change one word which makes all the difference in how the question is received :)
I would change "to" to "or" otherwise the conditions become the issue on how much control we have if any.
Love you brother!
C4E
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Greetings everyone

Please can we focus on the thread topic

The original poster is asking about smoking with particular reference to her children.

Thank you
 
I would change one word which makes all the difference in how the question is received :)
I would change "to" to "or" otherwise the conditions become the issue on how much control we have if any.
Love you brother!
C4E
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Amen!
 
Greetings everyone

Please can we focus on the thread topic

The original poster is asking about smoking with particular reference to her children.

Thank you
Yes, she made that reference but the title of the thread is a general question and some responses were apparently made only with reference to that question.
Nevertheless I would gladly limit any further response on my part to the limitation you have put on it.
 
if one feels in their own heart it is wrong then remove yourself and your children from the situation, but tell them why you can no longer be their friend.
 
For me.. it isn't just spiritual. I wouldn't want any of my kids to ever start smoking and I am thankful that none of them do.
As much for health reasons as much as anything else. Cigarettes aren't cheap. They were 50 cents a pack when I was a kid
now they are more ten times that high. To me, people who smoke have an odor. Usually their cars and houses do also.
I know people who think they have a lot of money... but in reality their money has them. They are a slave to their money.
It is much the same with smoking. I know people who go outside and smoke when it's 10 degrees outside. They go outside
and smoke when it's 110 degrees outside. In some cases it gives them common ground to socialize with other smokers, but
usually they hate the fact that they "have" to have a smoke when it's so cold or so hot outside. To me, this is a sign that smoking
is controlling them. I've known people in the past that don't have money for rent, or food, but they have money for cigarettes.
This is another sign that smoking controls them.

Finally....
1 Cor 3:16;
Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
17 If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.

As far as I am concerned.. smoking is destroying your body.
We can say things like... well if you aren't convicted by doing it, then it isn't sin. But it doesn't matter if we are convicted of it or not.
It's still sin. Maybe people who want to be homosexuals aren't convicted by it. They say it isn't sin... but they aren't the ones who define sin.
 
Matthew 15:11 What goes into someone's mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them."
Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
Luke 11:41 But now as for what is inside you--be generous to the poor, and everything will be clean for you.
Romans 14:14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean.
1 John 3:21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God
Like times ten!!!
 
Wow .. what a thread.

Thank you @Thiscrosshurts, the scriptures you posted are some of the ones I would have referenced.

SusieJW, is this man that is smelling like smoke around your children your husband/their father? I saw in another thread that you said as much (Deliverance). Is there more to this than the smoking issue? Are your true intentions to find fault /make accusations to alienate your husband from his children for smelling like smoke? It seems that if he was smoking around them you would have said so. Also is the JW in your name a reference to being a JW? I know that smoking is a big no no in the organization (cult).

Waggles, The passages you posted have nothing to do with consuming tobacco products. 1 Corinthians 6:19 is specifically about sexual sin...Tiz true.

I haven't been posting much on this site lately mainly because of folks that wack you around with the beems in their eyes.

Thank God you have no power to judge me.

I have asked God to deliver me from cigarette addiction thousands of times. I have gone cold turkey.. . I have done the patch a dozen times over the years.. The gum.....The pills... and I failed every time and found peace in some of the scriptures that This Cross hurts posted and especially NOTHING IN HEAVEN OR ON EARTH OR UNDER THE EARTH CAN SEPARATE ME FROM THE LOVE OF GOD IN CHRIST JESUS!!

My smoking does not undue what Jesus did on the cross and to belittle my testimony as worthless is tacky.

Strypes <=== FLAWLESS because of the cross of Jesus Christ!! Tiz true...
 
If your own heart convicts you of wrong doing (sin)... may want to put self in check and repent.
Those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth... with all thy heart, with all thy mind, with all thy BODY, with all thy strength.

Now, with that being said; who is doing it?
We are all hypocrites to some point; with ALL thy heart, mind, body and strength. ALL, very powerful, little bitty, word...ALL.
How many times a day are we double minded? in what we do, how we think, speak, act???

Worship Him in spirit and in truth.. (John 4:24)
: )

"And He said to him, 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind'". Matthew 22:37

Rag4acrown, The passage from Mathew above is from the New American Standard version.. I couldn't find one that says "body".. Might is strength not body.. anyway other than that I get your point. To nit pick other folk's thorns in the flesh should only be done once all the beams are removed from our own eyes. Otherwise we might give more splinters than thorns we remove.

Nicotine addiction has been my thorn for over thirty years. God does not love me less because of it. I am not in disobidence as The Holy Spirit has not instructed me to put myself through the torture of quiting.. on the contrary.. He HAS given me peace knowing that it is not an issue of the heart. And I am His child (free indeed John chapter 8)

Smoking around children.. bad idea.

Keeping children away from their loving father.. bad idea...

Accusing the brethern... bad idea


So in summery, to those of you who will dismiss me as an unrepentant sinner because I smoke, I say that I hope you will oneday understand God's mighty grace as I do and not allow the opinions of man to superceed the Word of God.
 
my husband is a Christian but he smokes.
He smells of smoke
He needs deliverance? yes right?

susieJW your profile says you are 46 years old.

How old are your kids? Are you talking about your adult children or teens or wee little ones smelling smoke on their Christian father?
 
I battle with smoking and am trying to give up using an elctronic cigarrette.
Smoking is indeed bad for you, but i have seen a video by a chrisitan who says maybe in moderation even tobacoo is ok, like alcohol in mederation is,

Anyway one thing i do know is that many medicines prescribed by doctors and which have an air of pureness in their acceptance as if they are good , are the most toxic poisonous things any men let alone a believer in christ could pollute their bodies with!
psychiatric drugs being chief of these destroyers and polluters of the minds and souls of men.
And do you hear any sermons on such drugs ever ? No.

But the church needs to research the truth of the junk science associated with these things.
Those drugs are created to address as so called chemical imbalance in the brain,
a chemical imbalance that the junk sceince of psychiatry readily admits never existed as a cause of any mental illness,!

and so , the only chemical imbalance in the brain of those suffereing from so called mental ilnnesses is being caused by the mind destroying and soul destroying psychiatric drugs psychiatrists keep prescribing their patients when they know full well there is no chemical imbalance needed to be re balanced!


Dr. Ronald Pies, the editor-in-chief emeritus of the Psychiatric Times, laid the theory to rest in the July 11, 2011, issue of the Times with this staggering admission:

“In truth, the ‘chemical imbalance’ notion was always a kind of urban legend — never a theory seriously propounded by well-informed psychiatrists.”



It is an absolute criminal total outrage and a hideous crime against humanity, that is an actual genocide, for it leads to suicides due to the hellish side affects of such poisonous toxic mind destroying drugs.
 
SusieJW, is this man that is smelling like smoke around your children your husband/their father? I saw in another thread that you said as much (Deliverance). Is there more to this than the smoking issue? Are your true intentions to find fault /make accusations to alienate your husband from his children for smelling like smoke? It seems that if he was smoking around them you would have said so. Also is the JW in your name a reference to being a JW? I know that smoking

This questioning judgmental attitude is not needed here.

Susiejw has simply asked a question about smoking regarding her children.

It does not matter what ages her children are. In another post you questioned her age @Strypes Plenty of women have babies in their 40's.

It is likely she is quietly confidentially seeking advice and thoughts from fellow Christians online....which may be easier than talking about it at home (my assumption )


Also the op has not posted anything that would suggest she is a jw.

Please all keep to topic
 
Warn your friend of the consequences of his sin!

"They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved."

2 Peter 2:19
 
This questioning judgmental attitude is not needed here.

Susiejw has simply asked a question about smoking regarding her children.

It does not matter what ages her children are. In another post you questioned her age @Strypes Plenty of women have babies in their 40's.

It is likely she is quietly confidentially seeking advice and thoughts from fellow Christians online....which may be easier than talking about it at home (my assumption )


Also the op has not posted anything that would suggest she is a jw.

Please all keep to topic

I am sorry you feel that I have a judgmental attitude.

My questions were to better understand where SusieJW was coming from. Your assumptions regarding SusieJW's intentions may be correct.

I know a wee bit about the JW (Jehovah witnesses) organization and their total ban on smoking (it will get you disfellowshipped if you are a baptized JW). Knowing if that is her background would be pertinent to the discussion.

Whether or not we are talking about a casual "friend" or her "Christian husband"/father of the children is also pertinent to the topic at hand.

As for the age of the children, teen /adult children have the power to remove themselves from smelling their father or their mother's casual friend. Wee little ones, not so much.

As she hasn't answered, those lines of discussion are a mute point.

I understand that I am on thin ice with you as we disagree that smoking is a sin so I will do my best not to offend you and rely on scripture to assert my position.




Warn your friend of the consequences of his sin!

"They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved."

2 Peter 2:19

Let's look at that passage in context...

2 Peter chapter 1 and 2...

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2 Peter 1 English Standard Version (ESV)
Greeting
1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,

To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

2 May grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.

Confirm Your Calling and Election
3 His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, 4 by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire. 5 For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, 6 and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, 7 and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. 8 For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For whoever lacks these qualities is so nearsighted that he is blind, having forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins. 10 Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall. 11 For in this way there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

12 Therefore I intend always to remind you of these qualities, though you know them and are established in the truth that you have. 13 I think it right, as long as I am in this body to stir you up by way of reminder, 14 since I know that the putting off of my body will be soon, as our Lord Jesus Christ made clear to me. 15 And I will make every effort so that after my departure you may be able at any time to recall these things.

Christ's Glory and the Prophetic Word
16 For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 For when he received honor and glory from God the Father, and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased,” 18 we ourselves heard this very voice borne from heaven, for we were with him on the holy mountain. 19 And we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, 20 knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. 21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

2 Peter 2 English Standard Version (ESV)
False Prophets and Teachers
2 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction, making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7 and if he rescued righteous Lot, greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of the wicked 8 (for as that righteous man lived among them day after day, he was tormenting his righteous soul over their lawless deeds that he saw and heard); 9 then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who indulge in the lust of defiling passion and despise authority.

Bold and willful, they do not tremble as they blaspheme the glorious ones, 11 whereas angels, though greater in might and power, do not pronounce a blasphemous judgment against them before the Lord. 12 But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant, will also be destroyed in their destruction, 13 suffering wrong as the wage for their wrongdoing. They count it pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, while they feast with you. 14 They have eyes full of adultery, insatiable for sin. They entice unsteady souls. They have hearts trained in greed. Accursed children! 15 Forsaking the right way, they have gone astray. They have followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved gain from wrongdoing, 16 but was rebuked for his own transgression; a speechless donkey spoke with human voice and restrained the prophet's madness.

17 These are waterless springs and mists driven by a storm. For them the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved. 18 For, speaking loud boasts of folly, they entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error. 19 They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved. 20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. 21 For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”



So what defiles a man (the defilements of the world)?

According to Jesus ...

Matthew 15
"So for the sake of your tradition you have made void the word of God. 7 You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said: 8 “‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me;
9 in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’”

10 And he called the people to him and said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.” 12 Then the disciples came and said to him, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?” 13 He answered, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be rooted up. 14 Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.” 15 But Peter said to him, “Explain the parable to us.” 16 And he said, “Are you also still without understanding? 17 Do you not see that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and is expelled? 18 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. 20 These are what defile a person."


Context and knowing to whom the passage is addressing is key to understanding.

I understand that you hold your position that smoking is a sin.

I will not allow the opinion of man to supersede the word of God.
 
Greetings @susiejw

You have received a lot of replies on this thread.

To summarize some of the points raised in this thread.

Let us look at your original post from a medical point of view

My friend smokes heavily and says its okay
He smells of smoke in front of my children

But surely this is damaging to the body and not good to do


Looking at smoking from a medical point of view. It is certainly not okay.
Tobacco is a poison that damages the body


Children should not be exposed to primary smoke or passive smoke
The toxic chemicals of smoking linger on the clothes

Dependent upon your circumstances/ability to do so you need to challenge this so that you and your children are not put at risk.
Not knowing the full situation I realize this may be a difficult situation

These days our children need protection against all sorts of environmental hazards smoking being one that we can more easily control


Now lets look at your post from a Christian point of view

You have a variety of viewpoints here.....both from smokers and non smokers.

The Bible doesn't say we shouldn't smoke or that we shouldn't take heroin or cocaine

However,just a few questions to ponder

The Lord made us and He loves us.
Would He want us to destroy ourselves and our children with a tobacco habit?
Does he want our children to have blackened lungs, asthma and other diseases
Does the Lord want us to have 'habits' and 'addictions' ?


What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20

Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
2 Corinthians 7:1


Some may defend smoking as not being an issue before the Lord with the verse

But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
Matthew 15:18
Read the whole chapter of Matthew 15 which concerns food laws and the pharisee's customs of washing their hands before eating.
Does smoking apply to this verse or is it a manipulation of scripture?

I am temporarily closing this thread to allow time for the original poster susiejw to ponder and respond if she would like to do so
(Please pm any of the mods Susiejw to reopen)

I have re-opened the thread now after a few days cooling off






 
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