So is Honoring our Mother and Father and Elders is only A Conditional of Earning That Respect as being taught today through “Christianity” if so why

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'For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God,
but not according to knowledge.
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness,
and going about to establish their own righteousness,
have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.'
(Rom 10:2-4)

Hello @PloughBoy,

Thank you for your response, it is good to consider what the state of mankind would be like without the law of God. It does not bear thinking of.

Yet, speaking concerning his own countrymen, Paul spoke the words above: and stipulated that where God's righteousness is concerned, 'Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth'. Praise God! God's righteousness has been imputed to the believer in Christ Jesus, so the necessity to keep the law for righteousness is no longer a requirement for the Jews among those believers in Rome to whom Paul wrote. To the Gentiles among them: not ever having been under law given at Sinai, this would have no application, except that there were at that time Judaisers who sought to place the Gentile under law, so it was a necessary corrective even for them, as it is for us today. For we are not under law, but under grace. Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hello @PloughBoy,

Considering the above entry of mine, I would ask you a question, please.:- In relation to what I said concerning the Jew, and the keeping of the law for righteousness, as referenced in Romans 10:2-4: was the believing Jew, under the terms of the old covenant, still obliged to keep the law? For though Christ had died, and the blood of the New Covenant shed, the New Covenant still awaits inauguration as per Jeremiah 31:31, yes?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[GodB4Us]

was Jesus wrong?

4For God said, Honor thy father and thy mother: and, He that speaketh evil of father or mother, let him die the death. 5But ye say, whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, That wherewith thou mightest have been profited by me is given to God ; 6he shall not honor his father. And ye have made void the word of God because of your tradition.

Did Jesus change His Mind?

Jesus did not change His mind.

Matthew 15:1Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.....
....18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

The people have changed their minds because of the evil that springs forth from their hearts.

 

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I. Going to say this with Sincerity, The Majority of Those that go under the Title of a”Christian” do not Know The Difference kinds of Laws Given at “Mount Sinai” neither do they care to know them and understand why they where given. And they do not even have The desirer to even engage what was given in “The Book”. But many Parade and gloat and mock as to Condemn those who go at great lengths of details and years of Intensified study of Divine truths forsaking all, that “God” May manifest The Truth to their souls, pertaining to Redemption.

“But Happy is The Man, His delight is in “the Law of The LORD, and in His Law, doth he mediates day and night” and he shall be….ff.

“It will accomplish its regards to where it was sent”

If you did not receive this particular kind of Letter or memo, then it was not sent to you. And it did not have your name and Your address on the Envelope.
Because if it was sent to you, you would have gotten the instructions and The instructions would have accomplished for inwhich it was sent. And this conversation, would not have happen.But since it did;

“The Moral Law of GOD” have not past away, neither is it in a “Coffin”.

Heaven and Earth will pass away…ff.

“Think not that I came to destroy The Law, or the prophets; I came not to destroy but to fulfill.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass , one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from The Law, till ALL be fulfilled.
AND WhoSoEver, Therefore shall break one of these least commandments, AND TEACH MEN SO, he shall be called “THE LEAST” in The Kingdom of God BUT WHOSOEVER SHALL DO AND TEACH THEM THE SAME SHALL BE CALLED GREAT IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN!

Now, do you so believe therefore you may teach whatsoever you believe.

But for me I delight in The Law of GOD.

'And He said unto them,
These are the words which I spake unto you,
while I was yet with you,
that all things must be fulfilled,
which were written in the law of Moses,
and in the prophets,
and in the psalms,
concerning Me.'
Then opened He their understanding,
that they might understand the scriptures,'
(Luke 24:44-45)

Hello @PloughBoy,

I know that the Word of God is very precious to you, and that you have read it avidly many times. I also know that I have much to learn. If anything that I say is offensive to you, and deemed to be wrong, I hope you will tell me.

The Lord divides the Old Testament Scriptures into three, in the Scriptures quoted above:- 'the law of Moses', 'the prophets', and, 'the psalms', yes? He also tells us that He is the subject of each and that He came to fulfill them. I believe I am right in thinking that the division - 'the law of Moses' - encompasses Genesis to Deuteronomy, though much is historic detail, showing God's dealings with Israel.

The law and the prophets are linked together by our Lord several time, as in (Mat 7:12) ' Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.' and (Mat 22:36-40) 'Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

* What I am trying to say is that there is so much more in the term, 'The Law', than just the 10 commandments of Exodus 20, and that the children of Israel were bound by covenant to keep the whole of it. This was a burden that the disciples themselves expressed was hard to bear:-

'Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples,
which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ
we shall be saved, even as they.'
(Act 15:10-11)

* How glad the disciples were to acknowledge that it was through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ they would be saved, even as the Gentiles were. Paul also said in
(Gal 2:21) 'I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.' and:-

' For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse:
for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not
in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident:
for, The just shall live by faith.
And the law is not of faith:
but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law,
being made a curse for us:
for it is written, - Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: ... '
(Gal 3:10-13)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Garee]

Hello @Garee,

Would you please explain what you mean when you say, 'We are under that law in Christ'?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Thanks . I would offer. Christ meaning anointed teacher . Christians I beleive are under his loving law as it is written . The word it points to the unseen storeroom of the faith or belief of God revealing the mind of God . as it is written makes the devil flee . . .powerful words of life and death

 

[God's Truth]

' ... ... For whosever shall do the will of My Father which is in heaven,
the same is My Brother, and Sister, and Mother'
(Matthew 12:50)

Hello there, @PloughBoy and Co.,

* What is the will of the Father?

'Then said they unto Him,
"What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?"
Jesus answered and said unto them,
"This is the work of God,
that ye believe on Him Whom He hath sent."'
(John 6:28-29)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

We have to believe that we have to obey this man named Jesus.

The Jews used to only know of God the Father, and now they are told they have to go through Jesus, the Son of God.

All the Jews know they had to obey God the Father, and now they had to believe that they have to obey the Son to remain the Father's.

John 17:6 “I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.

 

[God's Truth]

My God, God should had used you to write the Bible it seems you have more in understanding to convey God’s truth than he does!

For, scripture makes it clear, his parents where right, he had to obey his parents if He did not obey them,he broke the law of God his FATHER!

And by breaking the Law of God He cannot be The Perfect sacrifice, but a lamb with a spot and we are still in our sins! So says The Law of GOD!

But as The Bible says, He Went back Home, and Did what ever his parents told him to do! But I will not offend The “Emily Posts” males and females by using The Vernular of The “Ghetto” Hebrew language of The ignorant people of The city called “Nazareth” to insult modern day Christianity.

“children obey your parents in everything” this is fit in the LORD!

But those who puts Christianity over The words of The LORD GOD ALMIGHTY ! Will tell you to do differently with a multitude of Explanations. “Wells without Water”, “Untempered Mortar”, “Whitewash” and when the wind blows, and The Rains come, “That Dog Ain’t going To Hunt”!

The writer said: “I been young I been Old, I have never Seen The Righteous forsaken not His seed Begging for bread”
“Begging begging begging!

Using:
[Hebrew Emphasis]

I SAID, The Writer Said

18Wives, be subject to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.19Husbands, love your wives and do not become bitter against them.20Children, obey your parents in everything, for this is pleasing [t]to the Lord. 21Fathers, do not Colossians 3 New American Standard
Antagonise your children, so thatthey will not become discouraged.

I do declare, Modern Day Christianity acts like “GOD” of The Bible Does Not Exists!

That HIS WORD do not carry Out HIS Commands! That GOD does Not Watch Over HIS Own! And Jesus Prayers Of And By Divine Authority has No Effects Period!

Since 1977, I still believe The Same Then as I Believe, When I Hear many Christian speak and how they Think, “We Cannot Be Reading The Same Book! We CANNOT be! Or many are just plain Lying, Claiming They Have Read the Book in its entirety, many times in a orderly fashion.

For GOD is A GOD of Order.

Our parents aren't flawless like God the Father!
Honoring your mother and father is about not speaking back to them in a disrespectful manner and obeying their commands that are reasonable.

 

[God's Truth]

Ok,I will ask this did Jesus not fulfil the law?? Do you know what was on that cross besides Jesus?? THE LAW!!!!! ( Col 2:14) Now if Jesus did not fulfil the law, then we are as you say bound by it, but I believe he did fulfil it, therefore I am not bound by a law which was not ever written to me, as I am not a Jew! The LAW was written for the lost!! And unfortunaly many jews are still lost because they follow after the Law, rather than Jesus. With some 48 years in the Lord, we elders do not expect a rebuke, in fact the Scripture warn against it. ( 1 Tim 5:1) So I hope PAL you can learn, rather than hurt my fellow brothers and sisters with your lies.

Jesus fulfilled the law means he is the Temple, the High Priest, the Circumcision, the Washing, the Special Days, and the Special Diet, and the Lamb.

That means we don't have to do the works to purify ourselves anymore, but we still have to obey his teachings to get saved and to stay saved.

It means when Jesus says YOU WILL NEVER ENTER UNLESS you CHANGE and come to God as a little child who has to do EVERYTHING He says, to humble yourself and REPENT OF YOUR SINS.

That is HOW to get saved.

After being saved, we still have to keep obeying.

 

[God's Truth]

You do remember they could not keep the law of God, and that was revealed by GOD in The Old Testament “Grace and Mercy” was given there too.

Where do you get that no one could keep the law?

 

[God's Truth]

Hello @Garee,

Would you please explain what you mean when you say, 'We are under that law in Christ'?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

I would like to reply to this question too.

Jesus came and fulfilled the works of the law, which are the purification works.

Jesus paid our debt, and that means we go through him and obey his commands.

He came and gave a new testament on how EVERYONE and ANYONE can be an heir---a child of God's,

and then he explained what we will receive what the inheritance is.

Now instead of being cut off and put to death for breaking a commandment, we can find forgiveness and mercy.

We have a better purification and law and testament/covenant through Jesus.

It by no means mean we do not have a law or that we don't have to obey.

It means we are purified by Jesus and reconciled to God by obeying Jesus' commandments.

 

[God's Truth]

Hello @PloughBoy,

As a believing Gentile, I was never under the law given at Sinai, so am not subject to it:

That means you were an ENEMY of God's and unclean.

Ephesians 2:11 Therefore remember that formerly you who are Gentiles in the flesh and called uncircumcised by the so-called circumcision (that done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world.

Though I am subject to the law of conscience as are all mankind. However, as a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ I have been delivered from the law of sin and death - Praise God - being now under the law of the spirit of life which is in Christ Jesus, by God's grace.

The law of the Spirit has commands and rules.

 

[God's Truth]

'For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God,
but not according to knowledge.
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness,
and going about to establish their own righteousness,
have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.'
(Rom 10:2-4)

Hello @PloughBoy,

Thank you for your response, it is good to consider what the state of mankind would be like without the law of God. It does not bear thinking of.

Yet, speaking concerning his own countrymen, Paul spoke the words above: and stipulated that where God's righteousness is concerned, 'Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth'. Praise God! God's righteousness has been imputed to the believer in Christ Jesus, so the necessity to keep the law for righteousness is no longer a requirement for the Jews among those believers in Rome to whom Paul wrote. To the Gentiles among them: not ever having been under law given at Sinai, this would have no application, except that there were at that time Judaisers who sought to place the Gentile under law, so it was a necessary corrective even for them, as it is for us today. For we are not under law, but under grace. Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

The purification works is what made one righteous/justified/sanctified before God.

Many of the Jews did not want to stop doing those works.

They didn't want to believe that Jesus purifies us now.

 

[God's Truth]

Hello @PloughBoy,

Considering the above entry of mine, I would ask you a question, please.:- In relation to what I said concerning the Jew, and the keeping of the law for righteousness, as referenced in Romans 10:2-4: was the believing Jew, under the terms of the old covenant, still obliged to keep the law? For though Christ had died, and the blood of the New Covenant shed, the New Covenant still awaits inauguration as per Jeremiah 31:31, yes?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

The Jews have to be saved by going through Jesus, just like the Gentiles.

There is no other way or time they have to be saved.

They have to go through Jesus before Jesus comes again, or it will be too late, because when he comes again it will NOT be to bear sins.

We are saved by Jesus bearing our sins and our obeying Jesus.

Since Jesus dying for us---ALL have to be saved the same way.

Many of the Jews to this day do NOT believe Jesus is the one we are to go through and obey.

They want to keep to the old law's purification works.

The Jews were the ones who used to have prophets in whom God spoke through, but since Jesus, they have no more prophets from God.

This should make them wonder.

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus came and gave a law to obey.

If anyone wants to be saved they have to obey Jesus who says a lot more than just believe.

 

[PloughBoy]

'And He said unto them,
These are the words which I spake unto you,
while I was yet with you,
that all things must be fulfilled,
which were written in the law of Moses,
and in the prophets,
and in the psalms,
concerning Me.'
Then opened He their understanding,
that they might understand the scriptures,'
(Luke 24:44-45)

Hello @PloughBoy,

I know that the Word of God is very precious to you, and that you have read it avidly many times. I also know that I have much to learn. If anything that I say is offensive to you, and deemed to be wrong, I hope you will tell me.

The Lord divides the Old Testament Scriptures into three, in the Scriptures quoted above:- 'the law of Moses', 'the prophets', and, 'the psalms', yes? He also tells us that He is the subject of each and that He came to fulfill them. I believe I am right in thinking that the division - 'the law of Moses' - encompasses Genesis to Deuteronomy, though much is historic detail, showing God's dealings with Israel.

The law and the prophets are linked together by our Lord several time, as in (Mat 7:12) ' Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.' and (Mat 22:36-40) 'Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

* What I am trying to say is that there is so much more in the term, 'The Law', than just the 10 commandments of Exodus 20, and that the children of Israel were bound by covenant to keep the whole of it. This was a burden that the disciples themselves expressed was hard to bear:-

'Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples,
which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ
we shall be saved, even as they.'
(Act 15:10-11)

* How glad the disciples were to acknowledge that it was through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ they would be saved, even as the Gentiles were. Paul also said in
(Gal 2:21) 'I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.' and:-

' For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse:
for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not
in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident:
for, The just shall live by faith.
And the law is not of faith:
but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law,
being made a curse for us:
for it is written, - Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: ... '
(Gal 3:10-13)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

I do understand everything you are saying and in the Capacities of the believeths, because I can remember clearly how I thought in the late 1970’s and very early 1980’s I thought exactly the same way. Mainly it was not how I studied but It was because of my “peers”.

But, I decided, to no longer walk beside or so I would not entertain their thoughts. And they all laugh at me, because how deeply I studied, and learned words, the church laugh and ministers laugh at me and Pastors. But I cried a lot, they turn my wife against me, but I Kept it moving!

Their Quotes:

“You don’t need all of that” you studied to much!” My mother and my Aunt and those “Old Church praying in long dress wearing church mothers” would encourage me” you could see it in their eyes. “We are praying for you” with tears and their Whispers “Keep doing What You Are doing”!

The others who laugh and talk about me, before it was all over. They were seeking me out! The young , the Peers, The Pastors, and I am not going Backwards. Every Day is A New Day, In Christ JESUS, much Better Than The Day it was Before! And it has Absolutely nothing to do with this life.

I am not going backwards, not to all This worldly Religious matter” I am keeping it moving, if some can’not keep up, I will leave “Bread Crumbs” in “The Path” letting many know I pass That Way!

I do remember as a kid, some could not run that fast, so if you was in front of them they would grap your coat or shirt or sweater so you would pull them along, but in the process they would slow you down! You tried your best to break that crip, so you could make it to the finish line.

“All Things work together for the good to Those who love GOD and are called according to His Purpose”


So, if it is your lot, to grap the front runner by his coat tail and hang on, so be it!

So if it is your Lot, to break the Grip, So be it, and leave bread crumbs

“All Things, Work together for those who love…ff.”

I am kinda of Tickle right now, and this is why, I am reminded of The Life of “Thomas Aquinas” I cannot remember right now The Authors, over 700 page work “Biography” about his life.

It all falls in place. And it makes me smile.

Through out my “Theological lifestyle” many have came to me saying how they have tried to prove me wrong on many of times, and everyone has said after lengths of study, investigations, you was right! And we would laugh.

And many have said ; you said this, and I didn’t say that. I thank GOD He Taught me “The Hebrew Tense”

And I do understand my brothers and sisters in “Christ” inwhich they stand.

And many do not understand “My Brothers and Sisters in Christ” “The Term” for inwhich there are no human words can explain. Words cannot tell me who they are.

Note:
These are my “Beliefs” the Bible teaches, and I force not my beliefs upon another.

And I would rather take That chance of going to Hell than to trust another man or women's belief.
To each man his own.

My mother’s only brother use to say: “every man, is going to have to, sit on his own bottom”

And we knew what that meant without a Explanation. Even As little kids.

“Train up A Child in “The Way” it should go and when it gets old it will not depart” from it”

It did not say to be a nice little good Christian. And have good manners .

For Todays Society have replace,
“THE WAY” with “the term “Christianity” how to be a good little Christian.

And The Religious World and the world, have no idea what we are talking about.

“This Arrow, is Beyond Them”

 

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@God'sTruth
@Gregoryp
@WhiteisFam1
@brighthouse98
@Christ4Ever
@GodB4Us
@Garee
@PloughBoy,


Hello there,

Thank you all for your input. I will leave them stand alone, individually,
for there is only one measure by which they can be assessed.
and that is in the light of God's Word, yes?

May God's will be done.
In each one of us,
for His Name and glory's sake.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[PloughBoy]

@God'sTruth
@Gregoryp
@WhiteisFam1
@brighthouse98
@Christ4Ever
@GodB4Us
@Garee
@PloughBoy,


Hello there,

Thank you all for your input, I will let it rest there I think.

May God's will be done.
In each one of us,
for His Name and glory's sake.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Complete, when the pot gets warm, stay in there, no matter if you get burnt. Stay in there! The more you grow the harder it gets, to mold you. The Hotter the fire the beauty The “Porcelain” The Shine is beyond “Fine China”. The more you Endurer the Beautythe aroma that you produce.and we all fall that we may be made pure.

 

[PloughBoy]

Where do you get that no one could keep the law?

Sorry, but I cannot help it, for I am to reply in relating to this matter in an unorthodox manner.

For There are over “5 Billion copies of The Bible in the World”!
And I do believe the text in question is copied in All “5+ Billion copies” and I do believe it is your “Book” too, if you ain’t “Tore it Out”

Because you sure act like you know “”The Book”!
And Quess what? I am not, a “Librarian”



You sure know how to make me laugh, you have the gift to do so, you make sure you stay around, you spice up my life in a unique way.

Now tell me, how much, do you love me.

 

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Subject Heading:- So is Honoring our Mother and Father and Elders is only A Conditional of Earning That Respect as being taught today through “Christianity” if so why​

The word 'honour' and it's derivatives make a good study, eg., :-

'How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another,
and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?'
(Joh 5:44)

'Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God?
Shall the thing formed say to Him that formed it,
Why hast thou made me thus?
Hath not the potter power over the clay,
of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour,
and another unto dishonour?
(Rom 9:20-21)

 

[PloughBoy]

Subject Heading:- So is Honoring our Mother and Father and Elders is only A Conditional of Earning That Respect as being taught today through “Christianity” if so why​

'How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another,
and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?'
(Joh 5:44)

By Honoring our Mothers and Fathers by “The WaY”the Bible expresses it, by its “Bibical Characters” that are in it. We “Honor GOD” by Honoring we honor our parents.

The “Mark” is Honoring “GOD”.

By you doing this to the least of these, you have done it to me”

And for you “Complete” I know You See “The Path” For The “Light is in you”

 

[God's Truth]

Complete, when the pot gets warm, stay in there, no matter if you get burnt. Stay in there! The more you grow the harder it gets, to mold you. The Hotter the fire the beauty The “Porcelain” The Shine is beyond “Fine China”. The more you Endurer the Beautythe aroma that you produce.and we all fall that we may be made pure.

Hahahahaha You say that to her but you don't do what you say. You always run from discussion.