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So, where do you stand on the question, about how old is the earth.

I will say, Ploughboy, that I'm coming off as mean and unloving..I can see it....I do apIogize for it...My health has a large influence on my behavior... Do I think you're a fake? Yes. Do I have bad feelings toward you? No... Do I think that you are unloving and judgmental? Yes...Would I reccommend your teaching to anybody? No. But I do not condemn you, or pass any kind of judgment on you. You do enough of that for the entire body.... I do have cognition problems so its possible that I entirely misunderstand you. I don't know... I also have no emotion left so there are no bad feelings toward you...No feelings at all.
 
PS well you chose to be a slave of Christ. Ok, but many of us had no choice we where sold and purchased from one slave owner to another, paid for by a new owner, purchased by HIS Blood.

Now since you have become Jesus slave by choice, are you sure, you are not a running away slave?
There is NO WAY Jesus would force you to be saved. NO WAY Jesus would force you into serving Him....Read the Word. Its in there.
 
I will say, Ploughboy, that I'm coming off as mean and unloving..I can see it....I do apIogize for it...My health has a large influence on my behavior... Do I think you're a fake? Yes. Do I have bad feelings toward you? No... Do I think that you are unloving and judgmental? Yes...Would I reccommend your teaching to anybody? No. But I do not condemn you, or pass any kind of judgment on you. You do enough of that for the entire body.... I do have cognition problems so its possible that I entirely misunderstand you. I don't know... I also have no emotion left so there are no bad feelings toward you...No feelings at all.
I understand, no hard feelings, I am going to work on you, you are going to think, a little at a time. I am not going to convince you, By your own research will. You might not like what you find , but you cannot deny "The TRUTH" for It will not let you have peace. :pensive: before i get through with you, you are going to have "Nightmares" and "Beatific Visions". and Hopefully you will thank me in silence or in open air, that I press on and kept pushing to "The Mark".
 
I understand, no hard feelings, I am going to work on you, you are going to think, a little at a time. I am not going to convince you, By your own research will. You might not like what you find , but you cannot deny "The TRUTH" for It will not let you have peace. :pensive: before i get through with you, you are going to have "Nightmares" and "Beatific Visions". and Hopefully you will thank me in silence or in open air, that I press on and kept pushing to "The Mark".
No...I do not want you to "Work on me" Do not pray for me or anything...Thanks but no thanks. As I said above.....
 
There is NO WAY Jesus would force you to be saved. NO WAY Jesus would force you into serving Him....Read the Word. Its in there.
It is not called "force". it is called "IRRESISTIBLE Grace" .

(John 6)NIV
"Jesus answered. “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me
draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me."

The
draw is Like a "wooing"
 
It is not called "force". it is called "IRRESISTIBLE Grace" .

(John 6)NIV
"Jesus answered. “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me
draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me."

The
draw is Like a "wooing"
So He called and you Chose to follow....That's not by force
 
No...I do not want you to "Work on me" Do not pray for me or anything...Thanks but no thanks. As I said above.....
No i am not praying for you, i am just being my self. The same as i have been since !977, 26 years old and I have not let up, on Fire for JESUS, from coast to coast. except for about 3 or 4 states. and 4 Providences in Canada.
 
Christians? calling a plain simple reading of Scriptures nonsense . so very sad .
 
So He called and you Chose to follow....That's not by force
"IRRESISTIBLE GRACE" HE WAS BETTER THAN ANYTHING ELSE, I WOULD NOT EVEN GO TO BED WITH MY WIFE! The HOLY GHOST is way far better than SEX! SEX cannot touch this! Weed , trips, cars homes, alcohol, Blonds, Brunettes, Red Heads, when he pour That HOLY OIL on Me! I must have been given a "DOUBLE PORTION" an "Orgasm" can't touch this!

I been on Fire since 1977, I be full of the HOLY GHOST in my Dreams, I wake up on fire I go to bed on fire! since 1977. The more i talk about HIM, The fuller I get.. You can ask anybody about me. I talk about Jesus so much they hate me in my own house and i don;t have to say nothing, but read, And i don't demand christianity on no body! even my own household.
 
My wife told me one time, clear out of no where. You always talk around here, like you are the only ONE going to Heaven, BUT I GOT NEWS for YOU I'M going TOO!

I look her, and wonder wow, what happen to you. I didn't say a word, I kept my month shut, I'm scared of them.:eyes: they will team up on me.
 
My wife told me one time, clear out of no where. You always talk around here, like you are the only ONE going to Heaven, BUT I GOT NEWS for YOU I'M going TOO!

I look her, and wonder wow, what happen to you. I didn't say a word, I kept my month shut, I'm scared of them.:eyes: they will team up on me.
You're scared of what? Women or words?
 
So He called and you Chose to follow....That's not by force
No i never called him he chose me! He called me out by my NAME and He was looking dead at me! Sad, blood running down HIS face, his head and the crack of his eyes, face scarred the most saddest anything a man could see. JESUS dying in your place, and telling you so. You become Broken and undone and beyond repair. And then it happen! "Born of GOD" Born of Heaven, " BORN from ABOVE", your reply "What is THIS" what has happen to me! Only thing you know it is GOD! And nothing else matter.
 
No i never called him he chose me! He called me out by my NAME and He was looking dead at me! Sad, blood running down HIS face, his head and the crack of his eyes, face scarred the most saddest anything a man could see. JESUS dying in your place, and telling you so. You become Broken and undone and beyond repair. And then it happen! "Born of GOD" Born of Heaven, " BORN from ABOVE", your reply "What is THIS" what has happen to me! Only thing you know it is GOD! And nothing else matter.
Not against your will...You chose to follow Him....No other way
 
Not against your will...You chose to follow Him....No other way
NO! maybe you did! Not me. And he reminded me, with these words.

New King James Version
You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you.

I heard those words before i read the bible, I did not belong to nobody church. And that "HOLY GHOST" had me on FIRE! I had to go see my mother, and ask her what is wrong, i cannot stop talking about JESUS! I am on Fire. She called up her Pastor, He told her to tell me to come see him right now! I got to his HOUSE, I was on Fire, HE said Talk, I start talking about JESUS and could n't stop, He had to tell me to STOP and Breathe. His eyes turn red, he got drunk on The Holy Spirit Staggering Like a drunk man, I am new to all of this! LOL! I am high in The HOLY GHOST! I am saying words that is in the BIBLE and I don't know It! He weaving back and forth! And I can't stop! LOL,

I am laughing now but back then I was not Laughing, I was on Fire! He told me go ahead, telling me what i was and going to be. I thought he was crazy, telling me what i was going to be. He said you will see, just go ahead. "GOD is GOING to teach you, can nobody else do it. And that GOD had sent me to the Right man to tell me. And he told my mother and father the same a thing and told them to watch and see. :eyes:

And I have never wanted to GO! But that FIRE! I can feel it, still, feels like a wind "pneumatic" as if it is going to burn hot! My mother and my father and others, they have said, "you don't know it" you can go, when you start warming up! They have always said this, you don't know it. When you warm up , it is coming! even little kids and children! Get quiet, children and adult have night mares and come back and tell me. When I sleep at night sometimes I still "carrying the mail" the message, not real mail.

Many of people like to :preach, give biblical Lectures, teach bible classes, Sunday Schools, any type of Bible studies. Or try to do something in regards to help God's Kingdom" Far as i am concern that is between them and GOD. I'm just to be about My business. and what is that, I don't know, and I am "Content" and if there is an "unction" from "The SPIRIT of GOD" that is a different matter.

I am retired, I have been on this "Theological Journey" for over 44 years and i am winding down. I gave my best strength when i was young, "Ploughing my way through the fields and trying to make sure, my foot is sure footed on The Path" Doing my Best! One foot in front of the other.
I cannot wait to sit down at that table.

I am reminded of an "Old Negro Spiritual":

"Why Don't you sit down, sit down ......Servant ...just for a Little While, I know you have had a HARD Time" "SIT DOWN, I know you had a hard time Sit Down" Sit Down " SERVANT" and Rest a Little While, Sit Down. Servant for just Little while."

All true Children of GOD can sing that song.
 
Explain please
People take the written Word and put their own spin on it.

The Creation of the World
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Gen 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Men rip up the written Word as they please ..searching for anything they believe will encroach on the Almighty. Saying and suggesting mans will has power over that of God .. Man liberalizes words so they, think, they will say what man wants them to say . Do we believe the Word as written our do we force it to fit our human standards? I read in the above passage God created everything , also in John
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
yet i read in this thread someone believes in another creator.
Do we really believe it? or do we find ways to lesson the plain and clear meaning?

How simple are the Ten Commandants. Wouldn't the world be a better place if men lived by them...
 
People take the written Word and put their own spin on it.

The Creation of the World
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Gen 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Men rip up the written Word as they please ..searching for anything they believe will encroach on the Almighty. Saying and suggesting mans will has power over that of God .. Man liberalizes words so they, think, they will say what man wants them to say . Do we believe the Word as written our do we force it to fit our human standards? I read in the above passage God created everything , also in John
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
yet i read in this thread someone believes in another creator.
Do we really believe it? or do we find ways to lesson the plain and clear meaning?

How simple are the Ten Commandants. Wouldn't the world be a better place if men lived by them...
Ok I think I understand what you are saying.....So let me ask you....Do you believe what you read? Or do you read what you believe? Did God create the Earth at the beginning? Of course He did..Genesis 1:1 So then...Did God create the Earth as a pile of rubble..without form and void (dead)? That's not a completed creation... Yet the verse says God created Earth...that's past tense which says the job was complete... So then what happened...Why did the Earth become without form and dead? All the dry land was under water...but Reba! It was there! In vs 9 God commanded the waters to be divided and for the dry land to appear...It was already there...
Read Genesis 1 carefully and taking the punctuation into account...you'll see that after vs 1 God did not create anything until vs 14...What God was doing in those six days was restoration! Not creation. Now Reba...check me...
 
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