Speaking in Tongues: Required for Regeneration?.

[Shaolin]

There is Holy Spirit "in" you at salvation and there is Holy Spirit "on" you as the Holy Spirit came upon Jesus. He was saved, but He had Holy Spirit on Him. The 120 in the upper room (not just 12 disciples) had Holy Spirit "on" them. Not a requirement for salvation, but surely believe it is the will for every believer to have. The only initial requirement for tongues IS salvation. So it isn't required for salvation, but only believers speak in tongues.

The Holy Spirit isn't a thing, He is God. According to Scripture, one gets saved from their sins and regenerated by the Spirit that comes to indwell the saved believer, and then I think you go on to say that those who receive the baptism of the Spirit is when He comes upon a person. If that is what you are trying to say, then you are correct. BUT...Jesus was not saved, He had NOTHING to be saved from.

The baptism in the Spirit is not something that automatically comes when a person gets saved, and from Scripture and church history, the only ones who apparently receive the baptism in the Spirit are those who are called to witness and evangelize, because not everyone receives the baptism.

Blessings

 

[Shaolin]

Sorry @Mayflower but this is just plain wrong ...
praying in tongues is the Bible evidence given as the sign of receiving the Holy Spirit - the Spirit of truth, the Comforter indwelling a disciple.

Sorry, Waggles, but this is not what Scripture teaches...at all...anywhere. When you go beyond what Scripture teaches, according to Scripture you do not have the teachings of Christ and do not have God ( John 1:9). Scripture does not teach that every believer receives the baptism in the Spirit when they get saved - that is false calvinistic doctrine that Scripture does not support. The believer receives the indwelling and regenerating Spirit upon salvation, not the baptism in the Spirit. There are false pentecostal churches in the States that teach that nonsense, but again, you will find no evidence for such an ideology in Scripture (unless you read it into the text).

And most definitely required, in fact commanded by Jesus himself.

"In fact" no. Where do you get that Christ commanded people to receive the baptism in the Spirit? That is actually a ludicrous statement...Jesus cannot command a human being to receive the baptism in the Spirit, it is 100% God's doing, just like salvation is. YOU have no choice - if the Holy Spirit comes upon you, then He does, you cannot stop it (and why would you?). But neither can you become baptized by the Spirit upon your own doing.

Joh 3:3

Jesus answered and said to him, Amen, Amen, I say unto thee, Except one be born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born being an old man? can he enter a second time into the womb of his mother, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Amen, Amen, I say unto thee, Except one be born of water and Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 What is born of the flesh is flesh; and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said to thee, Ye must be born from above.
8 The Spirit breatheth where he willeth, and thou hearest his voice, but knowest not whence he cometh, and whither he goeth: so is every one born of the Spirit.

If this is the text that you give as reference for the "command" that you claim Jesus gave to be baptized in the Spirit, you are way off base. There is no command here anywhere in this passage, not one. Jesus here is teaching, not commanding. There is absolutely NOTHING in this passage that even talks about the baptism in the Spirit. Verse 3 says "born from above" which is not a reference to baptism in the Spirit. In verse 5 He says "unless one is born of water (water baptism) and the Spirit..." which is a reference to regeneration by the indwelling Spirit, NOT the baptism of the Spirit. Nothing in this passage supports your claim.

 

[Shaolin]

As in almost every other case, it comes down to what the Bible says vs what people think about it.

This is covered in the liberal Christianity vs fundamentalism thread.

ABSOLUTELY!!! We can take five different people (even from the same church), take them into a room where we have a verse or passage written on the chalk board, give them a piece of paper and pen and ask them to write down how they interpret that text, and will usually get up to 5 different answers.

This is directly due to the fact that pastors fail to teach their congregations how to read, study, and interpret the Scriptures...and that is also why we have so many false ideologies, teachings, and doctrines floating around the church landscape today. Here's the hard point - Scripture says we get saved and walk with God according to the truth, not every wind of thought or doctrine. The mormon is sincere in his beliefs, but sincerity does not take anyone to heaven if what they believe is not what Scripture says. This is why we all need to be truth seekers, not bias defenders...there will not be too many bias defenders in heaven.

Blessings!

 

[PloughBoy]

The Holy Spirit isn't a thing, He is God. According to Scripture, one gets saved from their sins and regenerated by the Spirit that comes to indwell the saved believer, and then I think you go on to say that those who receive the baptism of the Spirit is when He comes upon a person. If that is what you are trying to say, then you are correct. BUT...Jesus was not saved, He had NOTHING to be saved from.

The baptism in the Spirit is not something that automatically comes when a person gets saved, and from Scripture and church history, the only ones who apparently receive the baptism in the Spirit are those who are called to witness and evangelize, because not everyone receives the baptism.

Blessings

Correction You calling a translation "Scripture" that could somewhat be true but The Quran is Scripture too. and All Religion writings is scripture.
And for information. The Original Copied MANUSCRIPT of The WORD of GOD. Has Referred in many cases The "Holy Thing of GOD" referring to the "HOLY GHOST" The term "Holy SPIRIT" is a johnny come lately.

Geneva Bible of 1587
And the Angel answered, & said vnto her, The holy Ghost shall come vpon thee, and the power of the most High shall ouer shadowe thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall bee borne of thee,[ referring to Jesus] shall be called the Sonne of God.

Bishops' Bible of 1568
And the Angel aunswered, & saide vnto her: The holy ghost shall come vpon thee, & the power of the hyest shall ouer shadowe thee. Therefore also that holy thyng whiche shalbe borne, shalbe called the sonne of God.

Coverdale Bible of 1535
The angell answered, & sayde vnto her: The holy goost shal come vpon the, & the power of the Hyest shal ouershadowe the. Therfore that Holy also which shalbe borne (of the) shalbe called the sonne of God.

Tyndale Bible of 1526
And ye angell answered and sayd vnto her: The holy goost shall come apon the and ye power of ye hyest shall over shaddowe ye. Therfore also yt holy thinge which shalbe borne shal be called ye sonne of God

So be kind, a translation is not "The WORD of GOD" but a "translation" of the "WORD of GOD" one translate of one language reads different from another and syntax is different. And translations of language are not word for word and patterns are different. thoughts patterns are different most of the times.

So According to The Original Biblical Text of the "Written WORD of GOD" JESUS is a "HOLY THING"

Now in kindness you should apologize to our "Sister MayFlower" concerning "That Holy Thing" unless your pride is in the way. Now i am going to leave the rest of y'all comments alone. and "MayFlower" feel free to engage him. Your argument is just as good as his. Because The mark, has not been Hit.

I am stepping out of the way.

There is a major difference between The Bible and Scripture. The Bible is the translated work of SOME Scripture, but not all. Scripture is the full inspired word of God written by holy prophets. ..

 

[Shaolin]

I do not doubt the Lord healing any one . Man does not do the healing God does. For me even the doctors heal at the hand of the Lord.

According to Scripture, if one is abiding in the New Covenant of Christ, then he has been given power and authority to heal. Acts 28:8 says that Paul healed the father of Publius, not God.

Now, we know that it is by God's power that a believer walking with Him does these things. Jesus Himself said in John 14:12 that the believer who abides in Him "will also do the works that I do," and what was He doing? He was raising the dead, making the lame to walk again, opening blind eyes, unstopping deaf ears, casting out demons, etc... He said that we who are in Him can also do these things.

Again, we know that it is by God's power that we can do these things, but Scripture doesn't say that only God does these things. I have healed a coworker who was in the last stage of breast cancer...by God's power, of course. She was completely and instantly healed...and that over the phone, she wasn't present for me to lay hands upon her.

Blessings.

 

[Shaolin]

Correction You calling a translation "Scripture" that could somewhat be true but The Quran is Scripture too. and All Religion writings is scripture.
And for information. The Original Copied MANUSCRIPT of The WORD of GOD. Has Referred in many cases The "Holy Thing of GOD" referring to the "HOLY GHOST" The term "Holy SPIRIT" is a johnny come lately.

Geneva Bible of 1587
And the Angel answered, & said vnto her, The holy Ghost shall come vpon thee, and the power of the most High shall ouer shadowe thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall bee borne of thee,[ referring to Jesus] shall be called the Sonne of God.

Bishops' Bible of 1568
And the Angel aunswered, & saide vnto her: The holy ghost shall come vpon thee, & the power of the hyest shall ouer shadowe thee. Therefore also that holy thyng whiche shalbe borne, shalbe called the sonne of God.

Coverdale Bible of 1535
The angell answered, & sayde vnto her: The holy goost shal come vpon the, & the power of the Hyest shal ouershadowe the. Therfore that Holy also which shalbe borne (of the) shalbe called the sonne of God.

Tyndale Bible of 1526
And ye angell answered and sayd vnto her: The holy goost shall come apon the and ye power of ye hyest shall over shaddowe ye. Therfore also yt holy thinge which shalbe borne shal be called ye sonne of God

So be kind, a translation is not "The WORD of GOD" but a "translation" of the "WORD of GOD" one translate of one language reads different from another and syntax is different. And translations of language are not word for word and patterns are different. thoughts patterns are different most of the times.

So According to The Original Biblical Text of the "Written WORD of GOD" JESUS is a "HOLY THING"

Now in kindness you should apologize to our "Sister MayFlower" concerning "That Holy Thing" unless your pride is in the way. Now i am going to leave the rest of y'all comments alone. and "MayFlower" feel free to engage him. Your argument is just as good as his. Because The mark, has not been Hit.

I am stepping out of the way.

For information, it matters little what translations say. Every instance of the appearance of the words "Holy Spirit" (86 times) are the words "Πνεύματος ῾Αγίου" directly translated - Spirit Holy. The word "Πνεύματος" does not mean "ghost," it means breath, which is used for the Spirit of God. In the two cases where the disciples thought they saw a "ghost" as translated in Mat. 14:26 and Mark 6:49, it is a different word "phantasma" and it doesn't mean ghost either. A ghost is supposed to be the spirit of a dead person still wandering the earth - but since we know that people's spirits either go to heaven or hell the moment they die, and do not stick around down here...there is no such things as ghosts.

Every translation that says "holy ghost" has mistranslated Greek. As for your comments on translations, I agree to a certain point. That is why I learned Greek so that I could read the Word of God as it is originally written - and that skill has allowed me to see all of the gross abominations in translations, for whatever reason they were done.

Translation boards are going to answer to God for how they treated His Word when they stand before Him on judgment day.

 

[MrBear]

John 3
Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council.He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi,we knowthat you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signsyou are doing if God were not with him.”

Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.

I saw you guys talking about this and my take on this teaching is about the end of days, your new body after the resurrection

John the Baptist said “ I baptize with water but the one that comes will baptize with the spirit
Jesus also said
Revelation 21:6-8
Then He said to me, “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost.
My take is that we cannot see god or be in his presence because we are earth and spirit
Adam was made of dirt and got have him the spirit by blowing the breath of life into him
I think the spiritual beings are water and spirit
John 19
33 But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.

So my take was Jesus was saying until I give you a new body in the resurrection you cannot see the kingdom of god

SHALOM

 

[Shaolin]

John 3
Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council.He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi,we knowthat you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signsyou are doing if God were not with him.”

Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.

I saw you guys talking about this and my take on this teaching is about the end of days, your new body after the resurrection

John the Baptist said “ I baptize with water but the one that comes will baptize with the spirit
Jesus also said
Revelation 21:6-8
Then He said to me, “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost.
My take is that we cannot see god or be in his presence because we are earth and spirit
Adam was made of dirt and got have him the spirit by blowing the breath of life into him
I think the spiritual beings are water and spirit
John 19
33 But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.

So my take was Jesus was saying until I give you a new body in the resurrection you cannot see the kingdom of god

SHALOM

This is a prime example of what I was saying earlier...people don't know how to read Scripture, so we can get numerous different opinions on what a text or passage says in people's minds. Jesus was not talking about the future, He was telling Nichodemas how men get saved under the new era of the New Covenant. If He was talking about the future, then no one could get saved until they stand before God, and that doesn't make any sense. There is nothing about a new body in the text, at all.

Blessings.

 

[PloughBoy]

For information, it matters little what translations say. Every instance of the appearance of the words "Holy Spirit" (86 times) are the words "Πνεύματος ῾Αγίου" directly translated - Spirit Holy. The word "Πνεύματος" does not mean "ghost," it means breath, which is used for the Spirit of God. In the two cases where the disciples thought they saw a "ghost" as translated in Mat. 14:26 and Mark 6:49, it is a different word "phantasma" and it doesn't mean ghost either. A ghost is supposed to be the spirit of a dead person still wandering the earth - but since we know that people's spirits either go to heaven or hell the moment they die, and do not stick around down here...there is no such things as ghosts.

Every translation that says "holy ghost" has mistranslated Greek. As for your comments on translations, I agree to a certain point. That is why I learned Greek so that I could read the Word of God as it is originally written - and that skill has allowed me to see all of the gross abominations in translations, for whatever reason they were done.

Translation boards are going to answer to God for how they treated His Word when they stand before Him on judgment day.

I am not going to argue about "Bible introduction 101" , Or "Why are There So many Version" and "The Greek and And Hebrew Language" .what i took up in Bible College" over 40 Years, ago. I had those classes. And I am not looking back. And all of my friends the Pastors and The "THEOLOGIANS" over 300 of us. Want no part of 'Elementary Biblical materials. and do not want to bring them up. Why would we? What did "Thomas Aquinas"say? Since you are a educator. And How dare you bring up a greek word without all of the definitions. You might think i am a junk yard DOG. You only deceiving your own self.
"And the fool has said in his heart there is no GOD" Now interpret that in "Hebrew". Bye, i wasting my time and becoming a fool.

 

[MrBear]

This is a prime example of what I was saying earlier...people don't know how to read Scripture, so we can get numerous different opinions on what a text or passage says in people's minds. Jesus was not talking about the future, He was telling Nichodemas how men get saved under the new era of the New Covenant. If He was talking about the future, then no one could get saved until they stand before God, and that doesn't make any sense. There is nothing about a new body in the text, at all.

Blessings.

Thank you for your opinions brother

Luke 18 :9-14
To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
SHALOM

 

[Waggles]

are you a "true Child of GOD"? Does God and Jesus understand you Whether you talk or not? Is the "Advocate" The Paraclete live in you?

Yes, yes and yes.

 

[Waggles]

This is a prime example of what I was saying earlier...people don't know how to read Scripture, so we can get numerous different opinions on what a text or passage says in people's minds.

That would also include you and your incorrect deductions as to what scripture teaches.

 

[Garee]

Prove to me and others that praying in tongues are "senseless sounds."

Prove it to your self by comparing everything the Bible says pertaining to the tongue of God prophecy . The idea of cherry picking is common .

The Bible, the law of God it is self proving "senseless sounds." prove nothing

To the law or foundation of any doctrine as its testimony, if mankind speaks according to that word with actual understanding (not "senseless sounds.") then there is no light in their path .

Its the law of faith .Let there be the law (Isaiah 28) and there it was the testimony .(1 Corinthians 14: 21)

What the testimony of senseless sounds? Where is the foundation of the doctrines of tongue ?

Isaiah 28:12 But they would not listen to him So the Lord’s words will be senseless sounds to them:
“Saw lasaw saw lasaw.Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw.Ze’er sham ze’er sham.” When the people try to walk, they will fall backwards. They will be defeated, trapped, and captured.

Simply God mocking those who mock the spirit of judgment taking away their senseless sounds ? I did it, it proves it.

The testimony below

1 Corinthians 14: 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues (languages words " and other lips ( nations)will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues (prophecy ) are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying (not senseless noises) serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Prove that the law as it is written spoken of above is not that founded on in Isaiah 28 .

The making senseless sounds is no different then the theology of Catholicism “transubstantiation” simply use your own imagination .

 

[Shaolin]

That would also include you and your incorrect deductions as to what scripture teaches.

LOL, sorry waggles, but you are just waggling your tongue again with no intelligent insertions to make. I don't make incorrect deductions, I study...S-T-U-D-Y...Scripture according to a complete Biblical principles of interpretation, and you just give your two cents worth. There is a huge difference. I don't speak about anything that I have not fully studied as a professional theologian, and if I have not studied a topic that comes up, I will let you know that I am only giving my opinion. Unlike others here who give their opinions and believe they are facts, I don't do that.

 

[Shaolin]

Thank you for your opinions brother

Luke 18 :9-14
To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
SHALOM

It wasn't an opinion, it is fact. Also, your passage is misplaced, I don't look down upon others because I think I am more righteous than they are...I don't look down upon anyone (unless they claim to be Christian yet voted for democrats who uphold the murder of the innocent, because obviously they are not Christians, but just caught up in religion).

I am, however, as a professional theologian, only for the truth. If it isn't the truth of God's Word, but false ideologies, then I will point them out every time. Again, we don't get saved and walk with God according to false ideologies, Scripture says we only get saved and can walk with God according to the Truth. By pointing out that what you believe is false, have I then become your enemy? If so, then you are only a bias defender and not a truth seeker...and, again, heaven will not be populated by bias defenders. Love in the Lord.

Blessings.

 

[Shaolin]

I am not going to argue about "Bible introduction 101" , Or "Why are There So many Version" and "The Greek and And Hebrew Language" .what i took up in Bible College" over 40 Years, ago. I had those classes. And I am not looking back. And all of my friends the Pastors and The "THEOLOGIANS" over 300 of us. Want no part of 'Elementary Biblical materials. and do not want to bring them up. Why would we? What did "Thomas Aquinas"say? Since you are a educator. And How dare you bring up a greek word without all of the definitions. You might think i am a junk yard DOG. You only deceiving your own self.
"And the fool has said in his heart there is no GOD" Now interpret that in "Hebrew". Bye, i wasting my time and becoming a fool.

Yes...you certainly are...wasting your time...

And I don't need to bring up all of the meanings of a word in this case, all I needed to bring up was that it does NOT mean "ghost." Not because I say so, but because that is just the facts.

 

[MrBear]

It wasn't an opinion, it is fact. Also, your passage is misplaced, I don't look down upon others because I think I am more righteous than they are...I don't look down upon anyone (unless they claim to be Christian yet voted for democrats who uphold the murder of the innocent, because obviously they are not Christians, but just caught up in religion).

I am, however, as a professional theologian, only for the truth. If it isn't the truth of God's Word, but false ideologies, then I will point them out every time. Again, we don't get saved and walk with God according to false ideologies, Scripture says we only get saved and can walk with God according to the Truth. By pointing out that what you believe is false, have I then become your enemy? If so, then you are only a bias defender and not a truth seeker...and, again, heaven will not be populated by bias defenders. Love in the Lord.

Blessings.

Ty again brother
SHALOM

 

[Garee]

I do not doubt the Lord healing any one . Man does not do the healing God does. For me even the doctors heal at the hand of the Lord.

Amen God is not served by the corrupted hands of dying mankind . If he was then Paul and Barnabas would be a drop in the bucket for legion of the Greek gods coming down in the likeness of men , And therefore not the likeness of our invisible God who works in those who do believe his understanding .

The power of the gospel attributed to the hands of a dying creation. . . gods coming down to us in the likeness of men.

Acts 14:7-12 And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked: The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.

There are Spiritual gifts (unseen,) yes. But sign gifts (what the eyes see the temporal to wonder after?) I would think believers have no need to wonder or marvel .

In Hebrews 6 God promised he will not forget the good works we can perform according to the power of the gospel. . His name. He calls it the better thing that acompanies salvation . . .the power to believe, comfort, teach and joyfully bringing to our memory the precious things he has taught his children of faith

 

[Reba1]

According to Scripture, if one is abiding in the New Covenant of Christ, then he has been given power and authority to heal. Acts 28:8 says that Paul healed the father of Publius, not God.

Now, we know that it is by God's power that a believer walking with Him does these things. Jesus Himself said in John 14:12 that the believer who abides in Him "will also do the works that I do," and what was He doing? He was raising the dead, making the lame to walk again, opening blind eyes, unstopping deaf ears, casting out demons, etc... He said that we who are in Him can also do these things.

Again, we know that it is by God's power that we can do these things, but Scripture doesn't say that only God does these things. I have healed a coworker who was in the last stage of breast cancer...by God's power, of course. She was completely and instantly healed...and that over the phone, she wasn't present for me to lay hands upon her.

Blessings.

Some where I remember reading something about giving God all the glory.

 

[B-A-C]

Amen God is not served by the corrupted hands of dying mankind . If he was then Paul and Barnabas would be a drop in the bucket for legion of the Greek gods coming down in the likeness of men , And therefore not the likeness of our invisible God who works in those who do believe his understanding .

Are you corrupted? Are you dying? I have been redeemed, sanctified, washed by the blood. Death ahas no power over me.

There are Spiritual gifts (unseen,) yes. But sign gifts (what the eyes see the temporal to wonder after?) I would think believers have no need to wonder or marvel .

It isn't about signs or marveling most of the time. It's about the power of God.

Mark 16:15; And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.
Mark 16:16; "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
Mark 16:17; "These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues;
Mark 16:18; they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."

"these signs" (will accompany) those who have believed in my name. If these things aren't accompanying you now, maybe you should check your belief.
Can people cast out demons by their own power? No, only thorough the power of God. Have you ever cast out a demon? (Yes, I have)
Have you ever drank poison? Have you ever healed the sick? Have you ever picked up a poisonous snake? Have you ever healed the sick?

In this context these are miraculous things. Certainly people (even non-Christians) can learn new languages (eventually) , certainly doctors (even non-Christians) can (eventually) heal (some) people.
These people weren't multi-lingual, they weren't doctors, (Luke was, but he wasn't an apostle). Casting out demons, not dying when you drink poison, healing to sick by simply laying hands of them.
These are miraculous things, things that non-believers can't do. The tongues spoken of here is equally miraculous, it is isn't something they learned from other men.

1Cor 12:8; For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit;
1Cor 12:9; to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit,
1Cor 12:10; and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues.
1Cor 12:11; But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.

Some non-Christains have wisdom and knowledge in a fashion, but not the wisdom and knowledge that comes from God.
Some doctors can heal some people some times, slowly over period of time, with surgery or medicine (drugs). But Christians can miraculously heal.
There are fortune tellers and palm readers, who can seemingly guess the future. - But Christians can prophecy by the power of God.
There are non-believers who can speak foreign tongues hey have learned from men. - But Christians can speak tongues they didn't learn from men.

This is the supernatural, this is the power of God, and it's missing from many who call themselves Christians. Stephen wasn't called an apostle but...
Acts 6:8; And Stephen, full of grace and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people.

Acts 1:8; but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth."

Rom 15:18; For I will not presume to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me, resulting in the obedience of the Gentiles by word and deed,
Rom 15:19; in the power of signs and wonders, in the power of the Spirit; so that from Jerusalem and round about as far as Illyricum I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.

1Cor 4:20; For the kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power.

1Thes 1:5; for our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit and with full conviction; just as you know what kind of men we proved to be among you for your sake.

The Bible talks about people who deny the power.

In the last times, some men will be...
2Tim 3:5; holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.

Also I would be very very careful about saying something isn't from the Holy Spirit if it truly is.

Mark 3:28; "Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;
Mark 3:29; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin"—