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The Beast Revelation

michael777

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The Beast Revelation

This letter is dedicated to all Christians.

The following letter is a summary of Revelation 13. Its purpose is to show the method used in finding the conclusions which have been stated. Nothing new has been added from my previous letters. It is more of a compilation of them all. This writing is the same material in different words. The Bible uses this same method of explanation. There are four Gospels. In each you see a different view of the same material. This can be beneficial because the meaning becomes more exact. Although, if this is a first time reader, then this will all be news to you. With that in mind, here we go.

The first thing that should be addressed when doing any study of Bible prophecy is what questions do I intend to answer. Some of these questions can seem a little simplistic, but their answers are much more complicated. In my studies there were only a few questions that I saw as needing an answer. My questions were very simple. First, who is this individual who is identified by the number 666? Second, who is the false prophet and how does he make the whole world worship the beast whose number is 666. Another question has to do with these same individuals. Could these two individuals be the same person, or for that matter Satan himself? Where is Satan during all this? That last question is very important. It actually goes straight to the answer of all the questions. Finally, when would someone expect to see these individuals on the Earth? Literally, what time frame should I see them? Those are the questions. The answers are much more involved.

This narrative will attempt to show how the answers are figured out. These answers can be seen from events that happen in the nightly news. This leads me to a key, which most of us know, but most of us forget. The Bible is a history book. Some events have happened, while some are waiting to happen. It is the ones that have not happened that we are most concerned with. Here is another key. By the way, these keys I speak of are keys to understanding. The Lord spoke in parables. The reason he gave was that it was for some to know the mysteries of God, while it was for some to know not. In hearing, they do not hear. In seeing, they do not see. I compare it to telling the truth, while hiding it at the same time. Many of the parables that the Lord spoke he immediately gave an answer to. He showed how he used certain symbols and words to describe subjects and then gave their meanings. Now for the punch line. The Lord also spoke in parables that he did not identify. These parables go straight to the hidden meaning of these end times. Another key is word substitution. An example of this is a pretty well-known item from Revelation. This word substitution deals with Revelation 13:1. The beast has seven heads and ten horns. In Revelation 17 those heads and horns are defined. The heads are identified as mountains, while the horns are identified as kings. This changes the whole picture of what the beast is symbolically to what it is literally. Now Rev.13:1 can be read as follows with just the items discussed thus far. And I saw a beast rise up out of the sea having seven mountains and ten kings. That is a simple and easy word substitution. Know that this will happen many times throughout the Bible.

Now, getting back to the questions. The question is, where is Satan? If this question can be answered, you will have eliminated some others. Some prophecy teachers believe that Satan is the beast, or that Satan is the false prophet, which is misleading and puts a stumbling block square in the road to a proper interpretation. I almost always get this question. How can you know who the beast is when he cannot be revealed? 2nd Thess. Chapter 2 states that he cannot be revealed, until something is removed first. Most scholars have this part right. That is a picture of the Rapture. What they have wrong is that Satan and the beast are not the same individual. Satan cannot be revealed until after the rapture, but he is not the beast. Therefore, I can identify the beast and his false prophet. People say prove it. So I did. I told them how to understand using the keys that I have mentioned. Revelation 13 is a parable, but God is not giving the definition, or the explanation. This one is for us to figure out. Ok, so where is Satan? In the book of Job, we get a view of Satan's abilities. In one scene, he is discussing with God about Job. Question, where is God? He is in heaven. Also, in his conversation with God Satan is talking as if he knows and has seen Job. God declares that he can do whatever he wants to Job, but he was not allowed to kill him. Now we know something else about Satan. He also has access to the Earth, and can affect peoples lives. So, it appears that Satan can be everywhere he wants to be, on Earth or in heaven. We know Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven as per Revelation 12. This would further the idea that he is now in heaven. We also see Satan one other time, when he tempted Christ during his time on Earth. It says that he was taken to the wilderness to be tempted of Satan? Most people, and rightly so, have thought the wilderness to be a place on Earth, but this is a parable I believe. The Lord was in the wilderness and was tempted by Satan, but the wilderness is in heaven. This parable is read in Isaiah 35. It is the wilderness and the solitary place where the redeemed of the Lord walk. So, this last item being the most hard to prove, suffice it to say, that when Rev.12 says Satan will be cast out, he must be there in heaven to be cast out. Alright, now we can answer a couple questions. One, Satan is himself, and he is in heaven. Therefore, he is not the beast or the false prophet. These three work together, but each has his own identity.

Now to dissect Revelation 13. As I have already stated, Revelation 13 is a word substitution parable. The seven heads are seven mountains and the ten horns are ten kings. Ok, we know from this description that the beast as described is a group of possibly ten countries. This brings me to another point. There are three definitions for the beast in Revelation 13. The first is a group of countries rising up out of the sea. The second is in Rev.13:11 and is a beast with two horns (kings). Remember horns are kings as per Rev. 17. Finally, there is a beast who is identified by the number 666. It is this last beast that causes all to recieve a mark and that no man can buy and sell save he who has the mark, his number, or his name. There are three items here. Nowhere does it say that the mark is the number 666. This might have been a good guess 20 yrs. ago , but it is pretty hard to believe. Imagine people running around with a mark of 666 on their right hands. It sounds like a cartoon, but this is what the prophecy teachers want you to believe. Ok, another problem that sounds like a cartoon is the interpretation of the word "all." They want you to believe that no man could buy or sell if they did not worship the beast and take his mark. Interpreting the word "all" to mean everyone in the world. This is not the case. For one, we know that the beast is made up of only possibly ten countries. Everyone in this world lives in roughly 190 countries. I don't think we could possibly mean everyone. How about, all of those people concerned with the mark. Also, how do you cause all people concerned to receive a mark, and why? The most obvious way to mark everyone is at the voting booth. All people, rich and poor, small and great, or free and bond are potential voters. So, Mahmoud Abbas was elected president of the Palestinian Authority, and in the process all voters received an indelible ink mark on their right hands. This mark was to prevent double voting and corruption in the election. Ok, we have a mark. It is not 666. At this point he fits the part, but not completely. Still, there is no ready identification of 666 concerning him. This election was in January 2005.

Back to Rev.13. We have seven mountains and ten kings. Prophecy teachers want us to believe that a city with seven mountains is the seat of the antichrist and he rules with ten nations. Their logical conclusion was the Europe Union and the Vatican. This started the revived Roman empire theory. This theory has been around since the reformation. It is hard to believe this charade has gone on so long. Teachers are still preaching the Revived Roman Empire. This theory had some validity before the twentieth century and now has to be eliminated. None of these teachers could have predicted the fall of the Ottoman Empire and its division into so many separate sovereign nations. Back to our word substitution. There is an interesting item here concerning the word mountains in scripture. The word mountains can have two meanings. It can be either a mountain range, or a nation. This is the hardest part of this whole exercise, trying to figure out what mountains are describing. Teachers will have you believe it is a city with seven mountains. In actual fact, mountains here are referring to nations. This also pertains to the head wound. The wound was not a literal head wound at all, but was a nation that was wounded. The beast's head or nation was wounded and was healed. This is the Palestinian Authority after the beginning of the Oslo Accords. The land that Israel possessed was now being given back to the Palestinians and the beast's nation is being healed. Ok, so now I have seven nations and ten kings, Rev.13:1. Why do I have three more kings than nations? It seems I have a king for each nation, but three left over. In Daniel in says the beast subdued three kings. These three kings don't necessarily have to be from different countries. It seems so, but is not expressly mentioned. It is another parable. The three kings who were subdued by the beast were Israeli Prime Ministers. These three Prime Ministers all served during the seven years of the Oslo Accords and were voted out of office because of terror perpetrated during Yasser Arafat's rule. Now, I am down to seven nations. These seven nations will wage war. I can easily see seven nations that will wage war here very soon; Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Iran and the Palestinian Authority or Iraq, and there opponent Israel. This is exactly the same beast that is presented in Rev.17:10, just in a slightly different appearance. There are seven kings, five are fallen. This means five kings were defeated in war. Israel is referred to the "one that is," and the one that came later is the Palestinian Authority. This is a description of Israel's war for Independence. Literally, this was the beast being born. The war in 1967 is the beast rising up out of the sea in Rev.13:1. It was the unresolved issues of this conflict that resulted in the Oslo Accords of 1993. This seven year peace treaty was confirmed by Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat.

Now, there is another beast in Rev.13:11. This beast has two horns or kings. This is a picture of the Palestinian Authority after the elections of January 2006. This is when Hamas ran in the elections and won a majority in parliament. Now the P.A. was a country with two kings. Abbas was the President and Ismail Haniyeh was the Prime Minister. Here is where the problem with money came about. Western Nations did not want to donate money to a known terrorist organization so looked for a way they could still fund Abbas's P.A., but not let any money get to Hamas. This is when the number 666 identified an individual. The temporary international mechanism was adopted on June 16, 2006. This program allowed Western Nations to donate funds directly to Abbas, while bypassing Hamas. If you were a member of Fatah, or on Abbas's payroll you got paid. This is how the people were allowed to buy and sell. They received salaries, whereas before the mechanism, they had no way of getting paid from the Govenment. Hamas did not recieve salaries. Also, Hamas did not recieve the mark of the beast. They boycotted the elections for President in Jan. 2005.
It is more obvious who is being talked about the closer you get to the end.

In conclusion, to my three beast definitions. Mahmoud Abbas fits all three definitions. He was a member of the P.A. when it was formed. He took over from Yasser Arafat after his death. He was one of the two kings of the second beast in Rev.13:11. Lastly, he is the one identified by the number 666, which could have been Arafat had he lived.

Now, concerning the the false prophet. The following four verses below all refer to the false prophet, Ishmail Haniyeh.

Rev.13:11- and I beheld another beast coming up out of the Earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev.13:12- And he exercises all the power of the first beast before him, and causes the earth and them which dwell therein, to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev.13:13- "And he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on the Earth in the sight of men".
Rev.13:15- And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast, should be killed.


Hamas exercised all the power of the first beast (Abbas's P.A.) because they were now an equal partner in the Government. Also, the leader of Hamas caused them to worship or honor the first beast because Hamas would not honor the first beast. The first beast was the PA without Hamas as a member. The image of the beast is what the Government of Mahmoud Abbas represented. Verse 12 does not mention the image yet, we are just informed that the false prophet caused them to worship the first beast. Verse 14 and 15 gives the details of how that worshipping or honor was to commence. An image was created of the first beast that he (the false prophet) caused to be honored. This image of the beast is three items; the recognition of Israel, the honoring of all prior Palestinian agreements, and a renunciation of terror.

The last question I think that needs addressed is how do you know the timing is right? Meaning, there have been so many translations, how do you know that this one is correct? This is a question I always get asked. The answer, in my mind, is sort of a mix between two different prophecies. The first is the seven day prophecy as recorded in Genesis. It is a similtude between this and the amount of recorded time that has already happened on Earth. In the book of Peter, God says one day to him is as a thousand years. If that idea is applied to the Genesis creation, everyday that God created something one thousand years passed. Finally, on the last day he rested from his work, and his rest was one thousand years or one of God's days. This was one full week or 7000 years. After God's rest he started his work again, and he created Adam. Starting with Adam, it was approximately 4000 years to the time of Christ. Also, we know that Christ was here roughly 2000 years ago. If God was to be consistant with his one week schedule, then we could expect his day of rest to fall somewhere after the year two thousand. 4000 plus 2000 is six days and on the seventh he rested for one thousand years. This is not an exact estimate, but it can put you in the right ballpark when searching for the correct timing of Revelation. This is the estimate. The next item is more exact. Daniel 9:27 says that he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. Many in Hebrew is Rab. This was a covenant confirmed with Yitzhak Rabin. It was the beginning of land for peace, or the Oslo Accords. When you see this agreement happen you should be aware that this prophecy will last seven years. There is only one problem with this item. Prior to it happening, everyone thought that the end of the seventh year of the agreement God would return and begin his rest. Well, that did not happen. The reason was a logical misinterpretation. It just mentions that this agreement must occur along with the prophecies mentioned, not that they would all happen and end on the last day of the seventh year. This has thrown everyone watching offtrack for a time. Although, this was not such a terrible mistake if the watcher could see the right answer and get his, or her perspective back. When you have these two items coinciding at the expected time, then you know Revelation can be interpreted with accuracy. The events should start happening, as they have, as I have recorded in this letter.

May God bless all who read this letter.

Michae1
 
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I am one of those nuts that thinks that we are past the millennial reign and during the time when Satan is loosed on the earth. Which means that Christ could come at anytime.
 
Michael, I was once where you are now. Standing at the gate watching the end of the street for the Antichrist to appear and come down the road slaughtering Christians left right and centre.
I have since discovered he is already in residence right next door, and was there before I was even thought of.
You really do need to free yourself from your 'futurist' (an invention of Antichrist to divert attention away from himself) mindset. The threat you are looking to the horizon for is behind you and is about to run you over.
 
Michael, I was once where you are now. Standing at the gate watching the end of the street for the Antichrist to appear and come down the road slaughtering Christians left right and centre.
I have since discovered he is already in residence right next door, and was there before I was even thought of.
You really do need to free yourself from your 'futurist' (an invention of Antichrist to divert attention away from himself) mindset. The threat you are looking to the horizon for is behind you and is about to run you over.

Speak for yourself. My writings are not about being scared or worried, they are the truth. If you are content with your theology, which I disagree with, by all means continue. There are lots of beliefs which center around Christianity, and I don't believe them all. I disagree completely with preterism. Actually, when I first heard it, I thought it was a joke, until I realized the people were serious. Michael
 
Speak for yourself. My writings are not about being scared or worried, they are the truth. If you are content with your theology, which I disagree with, by all means continue. There are lots of beliefs which center around Christianity, and I don't believe them all. I disagree completely with preterism. Actually, when I first heard it, I thought it was a joke, until I realized the people were serious. Michael
I am no preterist either. I follow the same methodology as the early church fathers and the reformers, that is historicism. Might I suggest you take a look at the thread :Were they right?" As you read through that thread, don't miss the point that it isn't about a 'revived Roman empire' but rather a continuation of the Roman Empire...an empire that has never gone away since its inception, it merely has changed its form, from pagan to counterfeit Christianity. Like the statue in Daniel 2, there is no gap between the fourth metal that represents Rome, and the second coming. And the little horn that grows out of the 10 horns before it, it also was still alive and well at the second coming. More on that however on the other thread, You are welcome to comment there.

If what you propose in your post is the truth, then it must comply with every single aspect of prophecy, without exception. If it deviates in just one small point, it isn't the fulfillment of the prophecy.
 
"I follow the same methodology as the early church fathers and the reformers, that is historicism."

Don't know who you're reading that told you the early church believed this theory, but they did not. You can always find a scholar somewhere who will tell you what you want to hear, which you clearly have found.

The early church recognized this as prophecy, which anyone can see. It does contain elements of symbolism but it also contains many rock solid objective statements too.

Jesus often taught in parables, but in Matthew 24 He was obviously telling them of "things to come," which He said outright. Jesus was not a historist, as evidenced by His statement to look for these things, clearly referring to future events.
 
The Beast from the Sea Rev 13:1

<abbr class="published" title="2011-12-29T17:13:41+00:00"></abbr> Copied from America's Last Warning by Eric E Stahl

Revelation 13:1
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. <acronym title="King James Version of the Bible">KJV</acronym>

AT THE TIME of the tribulation period, the revived Roman Empire will again emerge as a dominant world power. It will be an alliance of ten kings or dictators and their kingdoms. Their common denominator will be the apostate Christian church, or what is left of the church after the rapture of the born-again Christians. This ecumenical church will be centered in the city of Rome on seven mountains. In the Scriptures, God calls the apostate church “harlot Babylon” because harlot Babylon takes the place of the proper church as a harlot takes the place of a wife.
Daniel saw in a vision of the future that four world empires would come to power over a period of thousands of years. The Babylonian Empire of his time was the first of the four. In Daniel 7:7, he describes the last empire, which is evolving in our time. The new Roman Empire will morph into ten separate areas and leaders as indicated by Daniel’s fourth beast having ten horns and ten crowns. We call the Western part of the alliance the European Union.

Daniel 7:7–8 <acronym title="King James Version of the Bible">KJV</acronym>
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it;
and it had ten horns.
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

When we come to the end of time before Jesus comes to take owner- ship of the earth, an eleventh horn, (nation) will come from the ten horns. It is a colony or offspring of the Roman Empire people. The Antichrist, who speaks very persuasively, will come to power in this young country, or little horn. The Antichrist will not come from Europe, which is the original western part of the original ten horns (kingdoms). The Antichrist will not come from the Middle Eastern or the North African parts of the former Roman Empire either, because he will not come from one of the ten areas of the revived Roman Empire.
 
<abbr class="published" title="2011-12-29T17:13:41+00:00"></abbr> Copied from America's Last Warning by Eric E Stahl

Revelation 13:1
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. <acronym title="King James Version of the Bible">KJV</acronym>

AT THE TIME of the tribulation period, the revived Roman Empire will again emerge as a dominant world power. It will be an alliance of ten kings or dictators and their kingdoms. Their common denominator will be the apostate Christian church, or what is left of the church after the rapture of the born-again Christians. This ecumenical church will be centered in the city of Rome on seven mountains. In the Scriptures, God calls the apostate church “harlot Babylon” because harlot Babylon takes the place of the proper church as a harlot takes the place of a wife.
Daniel saw in a vision of the future that four world empires would come to power over a period of thousands of years. The Babylonian Empire of his time was the first of the four. In Daniel 7:7, he describes the last empire, which is evolving in our time. The new Roman Empire will morph into ten separate areas and leaders as indicated by Daniel’s fourth beast having ten horns and ten crowns. We call the Western part of the alliance the European Union.

Daniel 7:7–8 <acronym title="King James Version of the Bible">KJV</acronym>
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it;
and it had ten horns.
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

When we come to the end of time before Jesus comes to take owner- ship of the earth, an eleventh horn, (nation) will come from the ten horns. It is a colony or offspring of the Roman Empire people. The Antichrist, who speaks very persuasively, will come to power in this young country, or little horn. The Antichrist will not come from Europe, which is the original western part of the original ten horns (kingdoms). The Antichrist will not come from the Middle Eastern or the North African parts of the former Roman Empire either, because he will not come from one of the ten areas of the revived Roman Empire.


You have done everything right, except one thing. You forgot to Watch. You've interpreted and read, but it means nothing if you can't see. Watching and interpreting go hand-in-hand. They cannot be separated. Once separated, you have your interpretation. I promise you it will not happen as you say. Michael
 
Michael,
When Jesus comes to take back earth, it will be the powers of the west lead by the antichrist that will control earth.

Isaiah 59:14–60:2 KJV
17 For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.
18 According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence.
19 So shall they fear the name of the Lord from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him.
20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from
transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord.
21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed’s seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever.
60 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee.
2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

As we come to the end of the tribulation, the time will come when the Lord has had enough. The world is full of evil. There is little justice. Any who try to do good are attacked. Israel will have been purged, and the Jewish people will have repented after seeing the nuclear fires and the burning up of the ozone layer as a scroll.
Verse eighteen and nineteen are very important. Isaiah warns that the enemy whom Jesus is coming to attack and who is in control of earth is the Western powers. But who are the Western powers?
Today, Israel is back in the land and we are at the end of time. Now the military arm of the Western powers is known as NATO It is already fighting Islamic terrorism. America, who is the major power in NATO, is the primary ally of Israel.
In the future, the Russian alliance from the north will attack Israel when the Jewish people feel safe. However, America will come from the other side of the earth to fight the Russian alliance. This battle is prophesied in Jeremiah 6:21–22, Ezekiel 38:1–13, 39:1–8, Jeremiah 25:14–38, Daniel 11:36–45, etc. .
 
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The Beast Revelation

First, who is this individual who is identified by the number 666?

There is much debate as to whose name actually equals 666.

Is it the first Beast or the second Beast?


My personal belief is that both Beast's names will equal 666. Before the Rapture we can determine who the False Prophet is by calculating his name according to the Hebrew gematria and the Greek symbolism - after the Rapture, those who are left behind can determine who the Antichrist is by calculating his name according to the Greek/Hebrew gematria after he becomes king and takes on a different title.


Irenaeus agrees that the name [or title] of the Antichrist which equals 666 will not be known until the middle of the 70th week of Daniel, when he becomes king and takes the kingdom for himself:

"Moreover, another danger, by no means trifling, shall overtake those who falsely presume that they know the name of Antichrist... But, knowing the sure number declared by Scripture, that is, six hundred sixty and six, let them await, in the first place, the division of the kingdom into ten; then, in the next place, when these kings are reigning, and beginning to set their affairs in order, and advance their kingdom, [let them learn] to acknowledge that he who shall come claiming the kingdom for himself, and shall terrify those men of whom we have been speaking, having a name containing the aforesaid number, is truly the abomination of desolation... for if it were necessary that his name should be distinctly revealed in this present time, it would have been announced by him who beheld the apocalyptic vision... But he indicates the number of the name now, that when this man comes we may avoid him, being aware who he is: the name, however, is suppressed, because it is not worthy of being proclaimed by the Holy Spirit." - (Irenaeus Against Heresies)

We do not proclaim to know the name [or title] of the Antichrist which will equal 666.

However, it too will be revealed.

These ten kings "advance their kingdom" by giving their power and strength unto the beast in the middle of the 70th week of Daniel. (Revelation 17:12-13)


Here are some Bible commentaries that teach it is the False Prophet's name who equals 666:

"But which of the two beasts it is which God has numbered has been not a little contested. That it is the first beast which is numbered has been the prevailing opinion. On this side are Lord Napier, Whiston, Bishop Newton, Faber, and others. Among those that have supposed the second beast to be the one which is numbered are, Dr. Henry More, Pyle, Kershaw, Galloway, Bicheno, Dr. Hales, and Reader assert that both beasts have the same number... it is the second beast which is numbered is evident... It can therefore be no other than the two-horned beast" - Adam Clark (commentary)

"This mystical number, 666, intended, apparently, to designate, in some way or other, the name of the power described under the similitude of the two-horned beast." - John Abbott and Jacob Abbott (commentary)

"the theories of what it means are almost unlimited. This writer is not at all certain of what it means, beyond the cautious conclusion given under the preceding verse. Its identification with the second beast is certain, and probably also with the first beast as represented in his "image." - James Burton Coffman's (commentary)


Here is one and a possible that teaches both Beast's name will equal 666:


"Not only in the above description of the two beasts, but in what follows as to the number of the beast, these two now coalescing in one, and have one and the same number;" - John Gill (commentary)

"It has been doubted by some writers to which of the two Beasts the name and number belonged... the phrase "The Beast" used distinctively of the first Beast... considering that the second Beast is subordinate... as Irenaeus calls it, to the first his Principal. Subordinately, indeed... the appelation might be regarded as attaching to the second Beast also:- but only so, and subordinately." - Edward Bishop Elliott (Horae Apocalypticae Vol. 3, pg. 207)

In Islam, Isa is subordinate to Muhammad and the Mahdi.


Here is one that doesn't know:


"A man's number." But what man and what name?" - Archibald Thomas Robertson (commentary)


If this all sounds foreign, or if you are one who has been taught that no one can know the identity of the Antichrist because it is the Holy Spirit who restrains the knowledge of such information, just remember what the Holy Spirit through Daniel said: "knowledge shall be increased." (Daniel 12:4)

"The identity of the Antichrist will be revealed on two occasions. The first revelation will occur before the Tribulation and will be for believers. But the second revelation will occur in the middle of the Tribulation and this revelation will be to the nation of Israel that has been deceived by him until this revelation. The key passage that speaks of this first revelation is II Thessalonians 2:1-3:... In verse 3, Paul writes that the Tribulation could not have come yet because two events must precede the Tribulation itself: first the apostasy of the Church; secondly, the revelation of the man of sin..., the son of perdition. There is to be a revelation of the identity of the Antichrist that precedes the Tribulation, and it is for the believers living at that time... The text does not state exactly how this revelation will come... it is also possible that believers will deduce who he is by the numerical value of the Antichrist's name, 666." (The Rise and Fall of the Antichrist .pdf pg. 6-7 - Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum)


Would you be surprised to find this revelation in the form of two of God's childrens testimony?

Do you truly believe the God of the universe would leave you without the truth?

God always has His witnesses to tell the Word and be a watchmen on the tower sounding the trumpet. Before the flood, He took Enoch and gave the witnessing Word through Noah and his family. God sent angels unto Abraham and Lot to urgently get their family out of Sodom. He sent two witnesses to Jericho unto Rahab and her family to warn them of impending destruction. God gave Israel Moses and the prophets to tell them the Word from the Lord. He told a gentile king what his dream was and the interpretation of it without the king telling anyone. He gave the exact day when Jesus would allow Himself to be hailed as King; ad infinitum...

Why would God change His plan of telling His creation the specific future and who to avoid?



For I am the Lord, I do not change" (Malachi 3:6)







For further study, visit: theunholygodhead.com/Pages/FalseProphetsnameequals666.aspx



Second, who is the false prophet... Could these two individuals be the same person, or for that matter Satan himself?

What is the biblical relationship between the False Prophet and the Antichrist?


This royal relationship is reserved for a gentile "father" and firstborn "son" that rise from within the boundaries of the "Roman Empire". At the appointed time, this Sea Beast will rise "out of" the waters of the Mediterranean Sea. The Antichrist will have a special scar on his forehead and will rule for 7 years (3 1/2 years as a prince - 3 1/2 years as a king). Both Beasts will have the "likeness" of a "body of a leopard, feet of a bear, and a mouth of a lion". Both Beast's name will equal 666 in Greek/Hebrew. They will unite the world through their pantheistic religious philosophy and economic establishment.



For further study, visit: theunholygodhead.com/Pages/TheBeastsRelationship.aspx



Where is Satan during all this?

He is the puppet master controlling this "father" and "son" diabolical duo.

Finally, when would someone expect to see these individuals on the Earth?


First I will start by saying that absolutely no one knows the date of the rapture or the second coming of Christ except God. Second, the only place that Scripture would record it is in Daniel 9:25. This would be in accordance with the dual prophetic or cyclical fulfillment of Scripture as recorded in (Ecclesiastes 1:9) "What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again".

(verse 25) - Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

The word "know" (yada - H3045) means: To know by observation and reflection.

The word "understand" (sakal - H7919) means: To give attention to, to look at, consider, ponder.

We are told that we will know by observation and reflection if we give attention to and consider.

The word "commandment" (dabar - H1697) means: A word. It refers to what is said, the actual "word" itself.

The word "restore" (shuwb - H7725) means: To return or go back.

The 1st occurrence of this word is when God told Adam and Eve that, "In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. (Genesis 3:19)

The word "build" (banah - H1129) means: To build, rebuild, establish, construct.


On December 13, 1949 Israel's 1st Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion gave a commandment (the actual "word" itself) that they would "restore" and "rebuild" Jerusalem as the new capital of Israel.

En route to: The Jerusalem Day

Using the prophetic 360 day year calculation: 2017


For a full study visit: theunholygodhead.<wbr>com/Pages/<wbr>The1Jesuscouldntanswer.aspx


So they are alive today and Jesus will receive His bride very soon.

Jesus bless.
 
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Don’t worry about the number of the antichrist or who he is because God will not put him in power till we are called up to heaven.


2 Thessalonians 2:6–12 KJV
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in
his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Paul explains that someone is restraining the Antichrist. When that someone is removed from the scene, the Antichrist will come to power. The Christians who have the Holy Spirit in them are the salt of the earth and the light of the world (Matthew 5:13–16). This means that we, with the influence of the Holy Spirit in us, are presently preventing worldwide corruption the same way that the proper amount of salt preserves country ham. When God calls the Christians up in the air to go to heaven (during the rapture), He will also remove the restraining influence of the Holy Spirit. At that time, the Antichrist will be revealed
and come to power after the Christians have gone to heaven. Paul also explains that God will cause everyone who has heard and rejected the truth of the gospel to believe the lie of the Antichrist. Do
you understand what that means? It means there will be no second chance to be saved (become a
spiritually born-again Christian) during the tribulation period for those who rejected Christ before the tribulation period started.
Next, contemplate this question.
Now that we know it is the end of the last days because the Jews have returned to Israel, what country has heard the gospel of Christ more than any other?
America is the most evangelized country in the world. Therefore, after the calling up to heaven of the Christians, America will be the most deceived nation in the world because God will cause everyone who heard and rejected

AMERICA, THE LAST BABYLON 39

the truth of the gospel of Jesus to believe the lie of the Antichrist. That is why America will follow the Antichrist and will become the last-days’ Babylon. It is sad to say that all of the other Western powers who are in NATO, that are so-called Christian nations will also follow the Antichrist, in addition to South America, Canada, and Australia. One day, there will be Antichrist followers wherever there are now Christian missionaries.
 
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Don’t worry about the number of the antichrist or who he is because God will not put him in power till we are called up to heaven.

I'm not worried about the number or who they are, for I know who they both are, God has already showed us that. I'm explaining the how God showed us that.

That is why America will follow the Antichrist and will become the last-days’ Babylon.

I can see America becoming a part of the "last-days’ Babylon" in a sense, but not Babylon itself.

"Therefore, just like the phrases daughter of Zion and daughter of Jerusalem (Zechariah 9:9) both refer to the Jewish people, daughter of Babylon in the Psalms, Isaiah, and Jeremiah is a reference to the Babylonian people. There is no Biblical support for the opinion that the prophets had the United States in view when using this phrase." - (gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/who-is-the-daughter-of-babylon/ - Jack Kelley)
 
I'm not worried about the number or who they are, for I know who they both are, God has already showed us that. I'm explaining the how God showed us that.



I can see America becoming a part of the "last-days’ Babylon" in a sense, but not Babylon itself.

"Therefore, just like the phrases daughter of Zion and daughter of Jerusalem (Zechariah 9:9) both refer to the Jewish people, daughter of Babylon in the Psalms, Isaiah, and Jeremiah is a reference to the Babylonian people. There is no Biblical support for the opinion that the prophets had the United States in view when using this phrase." - (gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/who-is-the-daughter-of-babylon/ - Jack Kelley)

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Zechariah 2:6–7
KJV

6 Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the Lord: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the Lord.
7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon.

Now that over one and a quarter million Jews have returned to Israel from Russia, we know that Russia is the land of the north spoken of by the prophets. In verse seven, Zechariah warned another group of Jews to go home to Israel when the Russian Jews return. It is the six million Jews in America that Zechariah is telling to go home from the daughter of Babylon. Why? The American Jews are the last large population of Jews outside of Israel. The presence of the Jews in America indicates that America is the daughter of Babylon.
 
I'm not worried about the number or who they are, for I know who they both are, God has already showed us that. I'm explaining the how God showed us that.



I can see America becoming a part of the "last-days’ Babylon" in a sense, but not Babylon itself.

"Therefore, just like the phrases daughter of Zion and daughter of Jerusalem (Zechariah 9:9) both refer to the Jewish people, daughter of Babylon in the Psalms, Isaiah, and Jeremiah is a reference to the Babylonian people. There is no Biblical support for the opinion that the prophets had the United States in view when using this phrase." - (gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/who-is-the-daughter-of-babylon/ - Jack Kelley)
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Warped Warriors,



Zechariah 2:6–7 KJV
6 Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the Lord: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the Lord.
7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon.

Now that over one and a quarter million Jews have returned to Israel from Russia, we know that Russia is the land of the north spoken of by the prophets. In verse seven, Zechariah warned another group of Jews to go home to Israel when the Russian Jews return. It is the six million Jews in America that Zechariah is telling to go home from the daughter of Babylon. Why? The American Jews are the last large population of Jews outside of Israel. The presence of the Jews in America indicates that America is the daughter of Babylon.
 
The presence of the Jews in America indicates that America is the daughter of Babylon.
Do you differentiate between the daughter of Babylon of Zechariah 2:7 being "America", and "Babylon the great" of Revelation 18:2, 4 and "the great city Babylon" of Revelation 18:10 being "Babylon"?

Or do you teach that these are all one and the same, = America?

If you differentiate, I could possibly see this interpretation. If you don't, then you do not truly understand "consistent literalism" of hermeneutics as taught in dispensational theology.
 
Warped Warriors,

I believe America is the daughter of Babylon now and will be the Political Babylon destroyed at the end of the tribulation in Revelation 16:19. Harlot Babylon is the religion of political Babylon which will be spread over the whole world as it is captured by the western nations and the antichrist.
 
Eric,
"During the seven years of the Tribulation, there will be two distinct political systems; one for each half of the Tribulation. The political system of the first half of the Tribulation is that the entire world will be sub-divided into ten, distinct nations ruled by ten kings. If Daniel's words in chapter seven are taken literally, one cannot limit these ten nations merely to western Europe; they will have to cover the entire world. Perhaps the European Union may someday become one of these ten, but it could never, biblically speaking, become all ten. During the first half of the Tribulation, ten men will rule the political affairs of the world co-equally. But in the middle of the Tribulation, the Antichrist will declare war against these ten kings. In the course of this war, he will succeed in killing three of them, and the other seven will submit to his authority. At that point the Antichrist will institute the second political system of the second half of the Tribulation; that of him being the one-world political ruler.

There will also be two distinct religious systems; one for each half of the Tribulation. The religious system of the first half of the Tribulation is what is described in Revelation 17 in terms of "ecclesiastical" Babylon. There will be a unification of all false denominations and all false religions into a one-world super-religious system. This one-world super-religious system will control the religious affairs of the world during the first half of the Tribulation.

Those who do not submit to its religious authority will suffer persecution. But in the middle of the Tribulation and after the Antichrist takes over political control, he will himself destroy this one-world religious system. He will then take over the Jewish Temple; seat himself in the Holy of Holies of the Jewish Temple; and declare himself to be the one true god. Thus, the religious system of the second half of the Tribulation will be the worship of the Antichrist." - (Dr. Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum - The Campaign of Armageddon - raptureready.com/rr-armageddon.html)

Harlot Babylon is the religion of political Babylon

I understand what you mean; however, in your estimation, what is the specific religion that will be instituted in the last 3 1/2 years of the 70th week of Daniel?

In regards to the "spiritualization" or "allegorization" of Babylon being America:

"The ultimate identity of Babylon in Revelation 17-18 depends on John's use of
Jeremiah's prophecy. Was John describing the same event or simply using "biblical
language" to describe a different event? It was shown earlier that Jeremiah 50-51
describes a still-future destruction of the literal city of Babylon
. Jeremiah directed his
prophecy against "Babylon and the land of the Babylonians" (50:1). As noted earlier in
this paper, several key elements of Jeremiah's prophecy have never been fulfilled
literally. John predicted the destruction of a city with the same name as the city in
Jeremiah's prophecy, having the same physical characteristics as the city in Jeremiah's
prophecy, and destroyed in the same manner as the city in Jeremiah's prophecy.
In addition to Jeremiah 50-51, John also seems to be borrowing imagery from
Zechariah 5:5-11. Zechariah saw wickedness personified as a woman. John views a
woman who "held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth
of her adulteries" (Rev. 17:4). Zechariah predicted that wickedness would one day dwell
again in Shinar, and John identifies a city named "Babylon the Great" that he describes
as "the mother of prostitutes and of the abominations of the earth" (Rev. 17:5).
Zechariah's vision implies that God will someday allow wickedness to become
reestablished in Babylon. John pictures Babylon back in existence and describes the
woman as the source of all wickedness that has been on earth.
These parallels lead to the conclusion that John, Jeremiah, and Zechariah are
pointing to the future destruction of the same city. John so identified his prophecy with
the unfulfilled prophecies of Jeremiah that the association is unmistakable. Therefore
the identity of the Babylon in Revelation 17-18 is the future rebuilt city of Babylon on
the Euphrates River in present-day Iraq. Babylon will once again be restored and will
achieve a place of worldwide influence only to be destroyed by the Antichrist in his
thirst for power.
" (Dr. Charles H. Dyer - The Biblical Argument for the Rebuilding of Babylon - pg. 38 - pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Dyer-TheBiblicalArgumentf.pdf)

If America (which is a country and not a "city") is Babylon, then what "city" in America is Babylon?
 
Eric,

Quoting Dr. David Reagan:
"Let me give you a quick summary of how our experts responded to the question concerning whether or not the headquarters of the Antichrist could be located here in the United States.

All of them without exception answered no. In the process of giving their answers 7 of them stated that they think the Antichrist headquarters will be located in the ancient city of Babylon rebuilt. Five did not express their view about the location. One, Ed Hindson, said he thought the Headquarters would be in Rome.

I personally agree with the experts when they say there is no possibility that the Antichrist headquarters could be located in the United States. And I happen to agree with Ed Hindson’s view that the headquarters will be located in Rome. For more detailed information about why I believe that, go to our website at lamblion.com and search for my article entitled, "Mystery Babylon.""
(Dr. David Reagan - pg. 9 - lamblion.com/files/multimedia/television/transcript_PreTrib19.pdf)
 
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