The Beast Revelation

[Eric E Stahl]

Eric,

Quoting Dr. David Reagan:
"Let me give you a quick summary of how our experts responded to the question concerning whether or not the headquarters of the Antichrist could be located here in the United States.

All of them without exception answered no. In the process of giving their answers 7 of them stated that they think the Antichrist headquarters will be located in the ancient city of Babylon rebuilt. Five did not express their view about the location. One, Ed Hindson, said he thought the Headquarters would be in Rome.

I personally agree with the experts when they say there is no possibility that the Antichrist headquarters could be located in the United States. And I happen to agree with Ed Hindson’s view that the headquarters will be located in Rome. For more detailed information about why I believe that, go to our website at lamblion.com and search for my article entitled, "Mystery Babylon.""
(Dr. David Reagan - pg. 9 - lamblion.com/files/multimedia/television/transcript_PreTrib19.pdf)

Read in the king James to understand!!!!!!!!!

Warped Warriors you are about to more informed then those experts. Before Armageddon God will judge the homeland of the antichrist with darkness.

Revelation 16:10 KJV
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

Habakkuk 3:11–15 KJV ((( In Israel)))
11 The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear.
12 Thou didst march through the land in indignation, thou didst thresh the heathen in anger.
13 Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah.
14 Thou didst strike through with his staves the head of his villages: they came out as a whirlwind to scatter me: their rejoicing was as to devour the poor secretly.
15 Thou didst walk through the sea with thine horses, through the heap of great waters.

Notice the sun and moon standing still over Israel in such a way that they will go dark before the battle of Armageddon. This is another clue to the cause and location of the darkness mentioned in Revelation 16:10 that says there will be darkness on the seat of the Beast (the Antichrist) and on his kingdom or homeland.

10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
—Revelation 16:10 KJV

Habakkuk saw a permanent solar eclipse form over Jerusalem during which you can’t see the sun, moon, or stars. This condition is described by the prophets in Joel 2:10, Isaiah 59:10, Isaiah 60:1–2, 19–20, Isaiah 16:3, Isaiah 24:23, Amos 8:9, Jeremiah 13:16, and Job 38:13,15 and the apostle John in Revelation 16:10. When the two-hundred-mile-diameter shadow of the solar eclipse is on Israel, which is the seat of the Beast (Daniel 12:45), where else is it dark? Revelation 16:10 says that it will be dark on the kingdom or homeland of the Antichrist. Get a globe of the earth and look on the opposite side of the earth from Israel. North America will be in darkness. America is the strongest nation (Daniel 11:39) now that Israel has gathered at the end of time (Zephaniah 1:14–2:3). America will be the most deluded by God (2 Thessalonians 2:7–12), and will be the homeland of the Antichrist called Babylon (Zechariah 2:6–7).

 

[Warped Warriors]

Eric,

Quoting Dr. David Reagan:
"The speculation that the end time "Babylon the Great" of Revelation 18 will be ancient Babylon rebuilt is biblically based. This is the reason that Tim LaHaye, in his "Left Behind" series of books, presents Babylon as the capital city of the Antichrist's world kingdom. Let's take a look at the biblical basis of this assumption. It begins in the Hebrew Scriptures in Isaiah 13 where the prophet says that Babylon will be destroyed in "the day of the Lord" (Isaiah 13:6, 9). This terminology is a clear reference to the end times and, of course, Babylon can not be destroyed unless it is rebuilt."
(Dr. David Reagan - lamblion.com/articles/articles_issues19.php)

Not only is Babylon being rebuilt, in the False Prophet's book, he shows the "ideal" or "masterplan" for this city. He is currently building the "prototype" for "rebuilt Babylon" and has been since 1990. (poundbury.org.uk/)

The full "blueprint" for "rebuilt Babylon" can be found in our book preview: theunholygodhead.com/Documents/Harmony%20-%20from%20-%20Bliss%20-%20to%20-%20Bondage%20-%20Seeing%20things%20differently%20-%20preview%20-%20updated%20August%202012.pdf

Prophecy is best understood from a literal interpretation. God says what He means and means what He says. If God intended "code" words to mean something else, then we can twist them and apply it to whatever our fancy. Let's let God speak for Himself.

 

[Warped Warriors]

America is the strongest nation

Currently, but not after Obama gets his way. You can see his policies of diminshing our nukes will devastate our international influence.

 

[Eric E Stahl]

10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
—Revelation 16:10 KJV

When the permanent solar eclipse forms over Israel, the shadow will be about 200 miles. Old Babylon will be in the light so it can't be the kingdom of antichrist.

 

[michael777]

Do you agree with my interpretation?

 

[DHC]

Do you agree with my interpretation?

Hello Michael777.

I have always found eschatology to be the hardest of subjects Michael777.

2 Thessalonians 2
3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first,
and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts
himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God,
displaying himself as being God.

If you can explain the scripture above and how it fits into you interpretation
I would appreciate that.

 

[michael777]

Hello Michael777.

I have always found eschatology to be the hardest of subjects Michael777.

2 Thessalonians 2
3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first,
and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts
himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God,
displaying himself as being God.

If you can explain the scripture above and how it fits into you interpretation
I would appreciate that.

The apostasy is the literal falling away of Satan as he is cast out of Heaven. This is described in Revelation 12. The man of sin can only be revealed after the rapture. Satan will be a God to all those who have rejected Christ. He will go into the Muslim temple proclaiming he is God. This last statement is a parable which gets missed by most teachers. There are three temples, Christ's temple which is the body of the believer, the Jewish temple which has been destroyed twice, and the Al -aqsa mosque. The fact that most believe a new Jewish temple needs to be rebuilt is just a way to keep everyone from the real answer. It is coming quickly.

 

[DHC]

The apostasy is the literal falling away of Satan as he is cast out of Heaven. This is described in Revelation 12. The man of sin can only be revealed after the rapture. Satan will be a God to all those who have rejected Christ. He will go into the Muslim temple proclaiming he is God. This last statement is a parable which gets missed by most teachers. There are three temples, Christ's temple which is the body of the believer, the Jewish temple which has been destroyed twice, and the Al -aqsa mosque. The fact that most believe a new Jewish temple needs to be rebuilt is just a way to keep everyone from the real answer. It is coming quickly.

Hello Michael777.

In your post #27 you claimed that the 'apostasy' of (2 Thessalonians 2:3) was
'satan being cast out of heaven'. You cited (Revelations 12:9) 'And the great dragon
was thrown down'.

'Apostasy' is the rejection of Christ by one who has been a Christian (wikipedia).

This definition also applies to the words of Jesus to the apostles.

Matthew 24
9 Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated
by all nations because of My name. 10 At that time many will fall away and will betray
one another and hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many.

As we move towards the era before the return of the Christ or the end times. The love
of people will grow cold. Denominations will increase, false teaching will abound.
Only those who endure in the true faith will triumph when Jesus returns.

We will read the passage from (2 Thessalonians 2) again.

2 Thessalonians 2
3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first,
and the man of lawlessness is revealed.

Simply and we are not to be deceived on this point, people will fall away from the faith.
Then the antichrist or man of lawlessness will be revealed, when Jesus returns!

Yes Michael777 the antichrist will be a God to all people, including those who have fallen away.

I am unsure about what the 'temple' may be, whether it is a mosque, the vatican or some other
Christian institution. The information is rather brief on what the 'temple' actually is. I agree
with you that it is unlikely that the Jews will rebuild the temple. Since the only location,
the temple mount is already occupied by two Muslim temples.

 

[B-A-C]

I am unsure about what the 'temple' may be, whether it is a mosque, the vatican or some other
Christian institution. The information is rather brief on what the 'temple' actually is. I agree
with you that it is unlikely that the Jews will rebuild the temple. Since the only location,
the temple mount is already occupied by two Muslim temples.

If you believe Daniel 11 and 12, then the this would be the temple mount in Jerusalem. The 3rd temple of Solomon
This would be where the beast commits the abomination of Desolation, (Antiochus Epiphanes did this in the 2nd temple).

Dan 11:31; "Forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination of desolation.
Dan 11:36 "Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will speak monstrous things against the God of gods; and he will prosper until the indignation is finished, for that which is decreed will be done.
Dan 11:37 "He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the desire of women, nor will he show regard for any other god; for he will magnify himself above them all.
Dan 11:38 "But instead he will honor a god of fortresses, a god whom his fathers did not know; he will honor him with gold, silver, costly stones and treasures.
Dan 12:11; "From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.
Dan 12:12; "How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days!

Tradition says he sacrificed a swine in the temple of Solomon, perhaps no one knows for sure, but whatever it was, God considered it a very bad abomination.

Rev 12:6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she *had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
Rev 12:7; And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war,
Rev 12:14; But the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she could fly into the wilderness to her place, where she *was nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.

The 1260 days ( 31/2 years) or time + times + half a time = 3 1/2 years.
Rev 13:6; And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven.

Some take the blasphemy of the tabernacle above to be the abomination of desolation, done in the sanctuary fortress ( Mount Zion, the temple mount, Solomon's temple)
Rev 13:8; All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

Once you receive the mark of the beast, there is no going back from eternal punishment.
Rev 14:11; "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

 

[Bambi]

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Many say that Revelation was written after 70 AD. But when you read these verses, that's not possible.

Verse 10 state that there are 7 kings, 5 are fallen, one is, and the 7th hasn't come yet but when he does will come only for a short time. Caesars are the kings of the Roman empire. If you look up the first seven Caesars you will find that the 6th Caesar is Nero. The 7th is Galba and he only lasted 6-7 months.

The beast is Rome/Nero. The numbering system back then was also to use letters for numbers. If you take Nero's name and title in either Greek or Hebrew(I forget which) it adds up to 666. I've even heard if you use the Latin and you use a Bible that was translated from the Latin the spelling will add up to, (I think) 616, which also adds up in the spelling of Nero.

So I believe the beast is Rome/Nero.

 

[DHC]

If you believe Daniel 11 and 12, then the this would be the temple mount in Jerusalem. The 3rd temple of Solomon
This would be where the beast commits the abomination of Desolation, (Antiochus Epiphanes did this in the 2nd temple).

Dan 11:31; "Forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination of desolation.
Dan 11:36 "Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will speak monstrous things against the God of gods; and he will prosper until the indignation is finished, for that which is decreed will be done.
Dan 11:37 "He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the desire of women, nor will he show regard for any other god; for he will magnify himself above them all.
Dan 11:38 "But instead he will honor a god of fortresses, a god whom his fathers did not know; he will honor him with gold, silver, costly stones and treasures.
Dan 12:11; "From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.
Dan 12:12; "How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days!

Tradition says he sacrificed a swine in the temple of Solomon, perhaps no one knows for sure, but whatever it was, God considered it a very bad abomination.

Rev 12:6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she *had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
Rev 12:7; And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war,
Rev 12:14; But the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she could fly into the wilderness to her place, where she *was nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.

The 1260 days ( 31/2 years) or time + times + half a time = 3 1/2 years.
Rev 13:6; And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven.

Some take the blasphemy of the tabernacle above to be the abomination of desolation, done in the sanctuary fortress ( Mount Zion, the temple mount, Solomon's temple)
Rev 13:8; All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

Once you receive the mark of the beast, there is no going back from eternal punishment.
Rev 14:11; "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

There is a problem with preterist viewpoint, B-A-C.

Revelations 19
5 and on her forehead a name was written, a mystery, “BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.”
6 And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.

Notice (line 6) states that she has been killing Christians. Hence the events of revelations 17,18,& 19, are
after the first century A.D. This woman is the mother of the harlots, i.e., false churches!

 

[Bambi]

There is a problem with preterist viewpoint, B-A-C.

Revelations 19
5 and on her forehead a name was written, a mystery, “BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.”
6 And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.

Notice (line 6) states that she has been killing Christians. Hence the events of revelations 17,18,& 19, are
after the first century A.D. This woman is the mother of the harlots, i.e., false churches!

The Jews in the first century killed Christians. The Jewish people in the Old Testament were called harlots because of their false worship. The events of chapters 1- 19 in Revelation happened in the first century.

Daniel chapter 12 occurred during the siege of Jerusalem by Cestius Gallus(66 AD) and ended in 70AD.

 

[B-A-C]

5 and on her forehead a name was written, a mystery, “BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.”
6 And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.

Is the woman riding the red beast, and the woman fleeing to Egypt the same woman?

In Rev 12, we see a woman. Or at least an allegory of a woman, some take this woman to be Mary (RC) some take it to be Israel, some take it to be both.
Rev 12:1; A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars;
Rev 12:2; and she was with child; and she *cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth.
Rev 12:3; Then another sign appeared in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads were seven diadems.
Rev 12:4; And his tail *swept away a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she gave birth he might devour her child.
Rev 12:5; And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne.
Rev 12:6; Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she *had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was thrown down to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child.
Rev 12:14 But the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she could fly into the wilderness to her place, where she *was nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, so that he might cause her to be swept away with the flood.

(Some take the dragon sweeping a third of the stars from heaven as an allegory that Satan took a third of the angels with him during the fall).

In Rev 17, we see (another?) woman. I personally feel pretty sure they aren't the same woman, but I could be wrong.

Rev 17:1; Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying, "Come here, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters,
Rev 17:2; with whom the kings of the earth committed acts of immorality, and those who dwell on the earth were made drunk with the wine of her immorality."
Rev 17:3; And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness; and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast, full of blasphemous names, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:4; The woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a gold cup full of abominations and of the unclean things of her immorality,
Rev 17:5; and on her forehead a name was written, a mystery, "BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."
Rev 17:6; And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus. When I saw her, I wondered greatly.

Some take the "wilderness" the first woman fled to, to be...
Matt 2:13; Now when they had gone, behold, an angel of the Lord *appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, "Get up! Take the Child and His mother and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell you; for Herod is going to search for the Child to destroy Him."
Matt 2:14; So Joseph got up and took the Child and His mother while it was still night, and left for Egypt.
Matt 2:15; He remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: "OUT OF EGYPT I CALLED MY SON."

 

[DHC]

The Jews in the first century killed Christians. The Jewish people in the Old Testament were called harlots because of their false worship. The events of chapters 1- 19 in Revelation happened in the first century.

Daniel chapter 12 occurred during the siege of Jerusalem by Cestius Gallus(66 AD) and ended in 70AD.

Hello Bambi.

Eschatology is a very deep and rich subject, it is also extremely difficult to understand.

Bambi I think that I can prove that the preterist viewpoint is incorrect. Have a read of
this post and tell me what you think. Please do not consider this as an attack on you.
I am not sure but I do not believe anyone has fully explained the eschatology of the
scripture.

When was the book of Revelations written? Most modern scholars believe it was written
around 95 AD, with some believing it dates from around 70 AD.

Let's assume the date of writing was 70 AD for the sake of the preterist eschatology.

Here is the first statement in the book of Revelations that shows us when the
prophecies will be fulfilled.

Revelations 1
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants,
the things which must soon take place;

We lock in the phrase 'which must soon take place'.

Now we refer forward to chapter 17 of the book of Revelations.

Revelations 17
12 The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom,

Bambi please observe that the ten kings have not yet 'received a kingdom'.

Therefore, the date of writing is 70 AD, and the events 'which must soon take place', and the
kings 'who have not yet received a kingdom'.

So when the prophecy was given to John around 70 AD it concerned events which had
not yet occurred! Also Bambi the ten horns are ten kings which had not yet received a kingdom!

It is written that these ten kings have authority with the beast and destroy the
harlot. So it is logical that this event could not occur before or during 70 AD.

The Roman empire had only one king in 70 AD, Vespasian was declared emperor in 68 AD.
Vespasian was the emperor (or king) of the known world, his rule was absolute.
There were not ten kingdoms aligned with Rome at this time. Rome was the supreme ruler
of the known world. These prophecies obviously relate to a future time period well
beyond 70-95 AD.

Well Bambi, prophecy and first century history do not favor the preterist understanding.

Look forward to your reply Bambi.

 

[Bambi]

Hello Bambi.

Eschatology is a very deep and rich subject, it is also extremely difficult to understand.

Bambi I think that I can prove that the preterist viewpoint is incorrect. Have a read of
this post and tell me what you think. Please do not consider this as an attack on you.
I am not sure but I do not believe anyone has fully explained the eschatology of the
scripture.

When was the book of Revelations written? Most modern scholars believe it was written
around 95 AD, with some believing it dates from around 70 AD.

Let's assume the date of writing was 70 AD for the sake of the preterist eschatology.

Here is the first statement in the book of Revelations that shows us when the
prophecies will be fulfilled.

Revelations 1
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants,
the things which must soon take place;

We lock in the phrase 'which must soon take place'.

How soon is "soon"? I would say a very short time not more than 40 years. Definitely within a few years. And definitely not 1900 years.

Now we refer forward to chapter 17 of the book of Revelations.

Revelations 17
12 The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom,

Bambi please observe that the ten kings have not yet 'received a kingdom'.

Therefore, the date of writing is 70 AD, and the events 'which must soon take place', and the
kings 'who have not yet received a kingdom'.

So when the prophecy was given to John around 70 AD it concerned events which had
not yet occurred! Also Bambi the ten horns are ten kings which had not yet received a kingdom!

It is written that these ten kings have authority with the beast and destroy the
harlot. So it is logical that this event could not occur before or during 70 AD.

The Roman empire had only one king in 70 AD, Vespasian was declared emperor in 68 AD.
Vespasian was the emperor (or king) of the known world, his rule was absolute.
There were not ten kingdoms aligned with Rome at this time. Rome was the supreme ruler
of the known world. These prophecies obviously relate to a future time period well
beyond 70-95 AD.

The ten kings are the rulers in the ten provinces of Rome which were, Italy, Achaia, Asia, Syria, Egypt, Africa, Spain, Gaul, Britain, and Germany.

The preterist view of this prophecy is a time when Nero died through the time till Vespasian is emperor. During this time there is civil war. Galba is the ruler who rules for a short time. Otho and Vitellus fought for the rule but Vespasian won out. These ten provinces fought to supported the rule of Rome maybe even with Vespasian. [/QUOTE]

Well Bambi, prophecy and first century history do not favor the preterist understanding.

Again I ask you what is your definition of the word, "soon"? I would say that the preterist understanding favors history more than futurist. How do you interpret who the 6th king is?

Look forward to your reply Bambi.

Look forward to yours.:smiley:

 

[DHC]

[/B]

How soon is "soon"? I would say a very short time not more than 40 years. Definitely within a few years. And definitely not 1900 years.

The ten kings are the rulers in the ten provinces of Rome which were, Italy, Achaia, Asia, Syria, Egypt, Africa, Spain, Gaul, Britain, and Germany.

The preterist view of this prophecy is a time when Nero died through the time till Vespasian is emperor. During this time there is civil war. Galba is the ruler who rules for a short time. Otho and Vitellus fought for the rule but Vespasian won out.:smiley:

Hello Bambi.

Sounds to me as if the kings of the ten countries you mentioned had their authority taken from them.

They did not 'give their authority' to the beast as the scripture states below.

Revelations 17
12 The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom,
but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour.
13 These have one purpose, and they give their power and authority to the beast.

It does say they receive authority as kings with the beast. Not they were kings and then
along came the beast and took their authority?

 

[DHC]

Hello Bambi.

I am not sure just where you obtained the list of the ten countries that you
supplied in your post. Your list included "Italy, Achaia, Asia, Syria, Egypt,
Africa, Spain, Gaul, Britain, and Germany."

Here is an approximate list of the provinces that comprised the Roman Empire
around the end of the first century.

Thyracia, Asia, Lycia, Galatia, Cilicia, Syria, Judea, Aegyptus, Cyrenica.
Africa, Mauretania, Uretanica, Baetica, Usitania, Tarroconesis, Narbonesis.
Aquitania, Lugdenesis, Belgica, Britannia, Adizo.

Some of the countries in the first row you would recognize in the New Testament.

So you can see that there were not in fact 10 countries that Rome ruled after the time
of Christ. Your handbook on Preterism may be a fictional work as the number of countries
you specified was incomplete. In some of these provinces (not countries) there were multiple kings.

I find it very suprising that someone would attempt to foster this erroneous idea. That
ten countries were controlled by Rome??

Will get to the 'last hour' soon, busy with other pressing matters Bambi.

 

[brakelite]

Hi Guys. The New World Order.
There are many different aspects to the NWO that we little consider. Prophecy tells us that there is a union to take place between the dragon, the false prophet, and the beast. This union, between religion and the civil power, is global, and its ancient. The beast (of Revelation 13:1) is a composite and a result of 1000s of years in the making. It goes back as far as Babel. Its history is steeped in pagan idolatry. in occult and satanic mystery. Note that John describes the beast as being a composite of the very same powers that the prophet Daniel brought to light throiughout his book. There is a significant difference however. As Daniel described them in this order: Babylon, Media/Persia, Greece, and Rome....John decribes them in Revelation 13:2 in reverse. Thus Daniel was looking to the future (apart from the Babylonian aspect which he lived under) John however was looking back! For John, this beast was a living reality in his day, a beast which had its beginnings before his time! This is hugely significant, for this beast, who most scholars correctly name as the antichrist, cannot be an individual to be expected to arrive in the future, but a system or power that had its beginnings in ancient history, and is today reachings its culmination in power and authority! It is its full realisation of power that we are witnessing today, and the now developing NWO is the fruit of the devils work of millenia. There is also involved, the image to the beast, and also the dragon. The devil seems to have all the bases covered in his final last days deception. The beast itself is autocratic. It is essentially a dictatorship, with a man of authority at its head who speaks for it, and his say is final. The image however, a religious/politcal also, a union which is a copy of the of the beast, is however one from a differenmt paradigm. Note how Revelation puts this:
Rev. 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
(note that here we have a dictator of one system saying to the people of the world that they should make another system...here is a democratic society being called upon to undo its principles of democracy in exchange for one of dictatorial power! What major nation in the world today is in the very process of doing this? What major nation in the world was once Lamb-like, but is now speaking like a dragon? What major nation is today preparing its people for martial law, is spying wjholesale on her citizenz, is threatening tpo undo centuries of democratic freedoms, even to the point of over-ruli ng her constituional rights? I will leave that for you to answer.)
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

So far we have two different systems of ppower who will work togather in unity to rule the world. But we haven't finished. There is a third aspect. So far we have the beast, the false prophet, now we consider the dragon. The dragon is the devil himself. He his clearly the instigator and parent of both former powers, but there is a third power we seldom consider as being a part of thios union. It is the power of the occult. And we can find this as we consider the secret societies, the freemasons, the Illuminati. Are they a power worth giving any consideration to? Oh yes. Very much so, for it is the Illuminati with their tentacles in every faith, in every government, that is the real power in the earth. They influence almost everything. The wars, the economics, even many claim the climate. But if any would desire to know how far the occult has entered mainstream society, take a look at the u-tube videos available today unmasking the work os the Illuminati in the entertainment industry. Occult and pagan satanic worship is no longer the rumour or 'hear-say' of the fanatic in the privacy if his own bedroom at night. oday we have celebrities boasting of the demonic powers, boasting and admitting openly of possession of evil spirits, holding occult satanic worship ceremonies in open public display attended by thousands every week-end and in every nation on earth, and watched by millions worldwide on TV and the internet. I dont know the appropriateness of names, so will resist that temptation, but the stars of today in rock and roll and especially hip-hop and R&B are todays equivalent of the ancient temple prostitutes. They have sold their lives to the Illuminati (Satan) and in return are promised wealth, fame, and power. They hold their cponcerts( satanic occultic ceremonies) now with millions cherring them on, even at events such as the super-bowl. Look at the videos on u-tube. Google Illuminati and see for yourselves how deep, and all pervading, and evil, and how mainstream the occult now is. We are in the last days. And these three powers, Roman Catholicism, American Protestantism/democracy, and the occult spiritualistic Illuminati secret societies (the beast, the false prophet, and the dragon) will form Satan's masterpiece, Babylon the Great, Mother of Harlots. The New World Order.
If any of you doubt any of this...look up "Bohemian Grove". Have your eyes opened. .

 

[Bambi]

DHC

Whether you are right about the names of the provinces or I'm right. Looking it over there are more than ten. Maybe it wasn't the governors of those provinces, maybe it was Roman generals who supported Vespasian and was later rewarded. Or maybe a combination of both. I've read that one governor was a general too. My belief is that whoever it was that supported Vespasian in the civil war were those ten kings.

And the sixth king was Nero and the seventh was Galba.

 

[DHC]

Hello Bambi.

You asked about the phrase 'the last hour' Bambi.

Sometimes the usage of the word 'hour' is an extended period of
time, certainly not a one hour interval of time. Here are some examples
from the scripture where an 'hour' has no set numerical time measure.

Romans 13:11
Do this, knowing the time, that it is already the hour for you to
awaken from sleep; for now salvation is nearer to us than when we believed.

John 4:21
Jesus said to her, Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in
this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.

John 4:23
But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship
the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

John 8:20
These words He spoke in the treasury, as He taught in the temple; and no one seized Him,
because His hour had not yet come.

Revelation 3:10
Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from
the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world,
to test those who dwell on the earth.

To understand the usage in the scripture of the words 'soon' or an 'hour',
the context would determine the meaning.