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The Beginnings of Understanding the Book of Revelations

In my post you are replying, I wrote what JESUS said to the Jews: JESUS said they are Abraham's seed, but are not children. Speaking about Jews and Gentiles people, Paul Apostle, by the Holy Spirit, give us a wise interpretation:-Romans 11:24-CJB - 24 For if you were cut out of what is by nature a wild olive tree and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these natural branches be grafted back into their own olive tree!

Zechariah 4:11-14KJV
What are these TWO olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick (candlestick(s) is/are Church(es)) and upon the left side thereof?

12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these TWO olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

14 Then said he, These are the TWO anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth. (The mystery here is that the lord of the whole earth here, he is the legitimate/lawful younger brother of JESUS-Luke 15:25-32- , yeah, great mystery. Both were born from the Word, the Word is GOD, but their birth are of very DIFFERENT manner; JESUS is the own Word made flesh-Isaiah 9:6-8 combined with John 1:14and 18- , the Word is GOD; His younger and lawful brother was sent from the Word by prophecy, like John the Baptist, angel of the Lord, so, the Word is his natural origin, I mean GOD, Isaiah 7:14-16 combined with Revelation 12:1-2and 5-take a look-, it is he who is the God of the earth as is written in Revelation 11:4and 6 -> 4 These are the TWO olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 6 These have power to shut heaven(heaven?Ephesians 1:3-8)that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters(waters? they are peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues-Revelation 17:15) to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.)

The Word is GOD, self-executing, understand?

Get ready



What does the Word of GOD say? The Word is GOD, self-executing.

Colossians 3:8-11
8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
" the lord of the whole earth here, he is the legitimate/lawful younger brother of JESUS"

Bull crap

I am sorry moderators, this is just total b s.

Or am i missing something?

Otherwise, just count me out of your fantasy.

Jesus is the ONLY Son of God, and IS God. There are NO Legitimate other brothers with any equal God in them.

Hear oh Israel, our God is One.
 
What man knows the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?
Your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumbling, not from GOD perspective.
But listen now, Jacob my servant, Israel whom I have chosen. Thus says Yahweh who made you, who formed you from the womb, who is your help. Do not be afraid, Jacob my servant, Jeshurun who am I have chosen.

For I will pour out the water on thirsty soil, streams on dry ground. I will pour out my spirit on your descendants, my blessings on your children. They shall grow like grass where there is plenty of water, like poplars by running stream.

One man will say, I belong to yahweh, another will call himself by Jacob's name. On his hand another will write Yahweh and be surnamed Israel.

Isaiah 44:1-5

If Abraham only bears the seed. Why then does God refer to the descendents of Jacob as his children?

Why does God use terms for watering crops (seeds)? ( God will pour out water on thirsty ground)

This is all in the same verses
 
Revelation is the easiest book in the Bible to understand.
What was, what is and what’s to come.
The problem people have,is before you can understand revelation,you need an understanding of the first 65 books.
You cannot understand it without first having a working knowledge of the Old Testament prophetic books.
How many times have I heard that one! Revelation is the easiest book in the bible to understand?

"The Greatest Impediment Christians have Obtaining Truth is when they think they Already have it."
 
Yes. I took a fast look in the posts of this topic, and I perceived the discussion was very squeezed around the fig tree, I mean Israel, as if it were now again full of leaves as my Lord JESUS found it, and even thinking that the fig tree now may even have fruit to offer. Will be it?
John the Baptist preached to the Jews, saying: Matthew 3:7-9 -->
7 ... O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
(why vipers? Who was their father? Whose were the Jews children of?)
8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that GOD is able of these stones(by allegory, who would be the stones, the Gentiles?-according John 10:16) to raise up children unto Abraham.

Dialogue between Jews and JESUS: John 8King James Version

JEWS said: - We be Abraham's seed,...John 8:33KJV
- JESUS said: - I know that ye are Abraham's seed...John 8:37 (Positive, they really are seed of Abraham)

JEWS said: - Abraham is our father.... John 8:39KJV
- JESUS said:- If ye were Abraham's children...John 8:39(If???? hum!!! Were not they Abraham's children? Are the Jews Abraham's seed, but not Abraham's children?)

JEWS said: - We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even GOD - John 8:41
- JESUS said: - If GOD were your Father...John 8:42 (again If???? hum!!!)
- JESUS said to the Jews: Why do ye not understand my speech? John 8:43
- JESUS openly and emphaticaly said to the Jews: Ye are of your father the Devil..., John 8:44. -

By the way, in Revelation 12:9, JESUS said:
9 -And the great Dragon (the red Dragon) was (will be) cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his messengers were cast out with him.
By the way, "red Dragon" is the new name of the Devil in this current time of Apocalypse.

Matthew 23:29-35 - JESUS said:
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Matthew 24:1-8

24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto JESUS privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be?
- and what shall be the sign of thy coming?
- and of the END of the world?


4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation,
and kingdom against kingdom:
and there shall be famines,
and pestilences,
and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

We know that the Jews killed the Messiah on the cross, from 70AD to the year 1948, ISRAEL SUFFERED one of the most severe and long punishment,1878 years of severe and strong cursings/ sufferings / chastisements, applied by GOD the Father against the rebel Israel-Deuteronomny 28:15-68.

The WORST will come from now on because GOD the Father "shall send them strong DELUSION, that they should believe a lie: (believe in a false messiah, in a false lamb with two horns, actually AN IMPOSTOR-John 5:43-47 combined with Revelation 13:11-18. Take a look. The testimony of JESUS is the spirit of prophecy, yes, the Jews will believe
in the Devil incarnated, the son of perdition, yes, believe in their false messiah, an IMPOSTER- 2Thes. 2:2-3, that they all might be DAMNED who believed not the Truth (believe not in JESUS), but had pleasure in unrighteousness-2Thessalonians 2:11-12.


Get ready
My response here is that the Jews will NOT believe the anti-Christ is their Messiah. That's a typical dispensational pipe dream. The idea that the men of sin would impose a global government is also another pipe dream. The NWO is NOT the anti-Christ kingdom. The men of sin will rule over some sort of an alliance of 7/10 Arab/Muslim countries.

It's disappointing to see what the 'prophecy experts' have done to common sense.
 
" the lord of the whole earth here, he is the legitimate/lawful younger brother of JESUS"

Bull crap

I am sorry moderators, this is just total b s.

Or am i missing something?

Otherwise, just count me out of your fantasy.

Jesus is the ONLY Son of God, and IS God. There are NO Legitimate other brothers with any equal God in them.

Hear oh Israel, our God is One.
GOD is Spirit. John 4:24.
... the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John 6:63

1John 5:7 -
There are three that testifies in heaven, the Father(GOD the Father), the Word(the Word made flesh-JESUS) and the Holy Spirit(the God of the earth(Revelation 11:4 combined with John 15:16 and John 16:12-15): and these three are One.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit(the Word of GOD; the Word is GOD, GOD is Spirit),
and the Water(the testimony of JESUS-John 7:38-39.Take a look.), and the blood (JESUS came by water and blood...not by water only, but by water and blood (of course), the Word was made flesh). And it is the Spirit (it is GOD the Father) that beareth witness(John 5:31-32 combined with John 7:18 and 8:18.Take a look), because the Spirit is Truth: and these three agree in One.
John 3:31-36
31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.

32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.

33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that GOD is true.


34 For he whom GOD hath sent speaketh the words of GOD: for GOD giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the WRATH OF GOD abideth on him.

My Lord JESUS warned: Matthew 12:36-37

36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

GET READY

 
GOD is Spirit. John 4:24.
... the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John 6:63

1John 5:7 -
There are three that testifies in heaven, the Father(GOD the Father), the Word(the Word made flesh-JESUS) and the Holy Spirit(the God of the earth(Revelation 11:4 combined with John 15:16 and John 16:12-15): and these three are One.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit(the Word of GOD; the Word is GOD, GOD is Spirit),
and the Water(the testimony of JESUS-John 7:38-39.Take a look.), and the blood (JESUS came by water and blood...not by water only, but by water and blood (of course), the Word was made flesh). And it is the Spirit (it is GOD the Father) that beareth witness(John 5:31-32 combined with John 7:18 and 8:18.Take a look), because the Spirit is Truth: and these three agree in One.
John 3:31-36
31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.

32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.

33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that GOD is true.


34 For he whom GOD hath sent speaketh the words of GOD: for GOD giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the WRATH OF GOD abideth on him.

My Lord JESUS warned: Matthew 12:36-37

36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

GET READY

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... the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John 6:63

1John 5:7 -
There are three that testifies in heaven, the Father(GOD the Father), the Word(the Word made flesh-JESUS) and the Holy Spirit(the God of the earth(Revelation 11:4 combined with John 15:16 and John 16:12-15): and these three are One.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit(the Word of GOD; the Word is GOD, GOD is Spirit),
and the Water(the testimony of JESUS-John 7:38-39.Take a look.), and the blood (JESUS came by water and blood...not by water only, but by water and blood (of course), the Word was made flesh). And it is the Spirit (it is GOD the Father) that beareth witness(John 5:31-32 combined with John 7:18 and 8:18.Take a look), because the Spirit is Truth: and these three agree in One.
John 3:31-36
31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.

32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.

33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that GOD is true.


34 For he whom GOD hath sent speaketh the words of GOD: for GOD giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the WRATH OF GOD abideth on him.

My Lord JESUS warned: Matthew 12:36-37

36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

GET READY


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All you're doing is posting the same reply and verses over and over again.
Some,perhaps a lot of your post is correct. However the parable of the fig tree has nothing to do with Israel and 1948.

Jerusalem is still being trodden by the gentiles
Agreed. I'm surprised that you- a pre-tribber - has that one right!
 
How many times have I heard that one! Revelation is the easiest book in the bible to understand?

"The Greatest Impediment Christians have Obtaining Truth is when they think they Already have it."
You understand well 'Jesus opens the eyes of the blind. But to the Pharisees who say "we see" they remain blind'.
 
GOD is Spirit. John 4:24.
... the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John 6:63

1John 5:7 -
There are three that testifies in heaven, the Father(GOD the Father), the Word(the Word made flesh-JESUS) and the Holy Spirit(the God of the earth(Revelation 11:4 combined with John 15:16 and John 16:12-15): and these three are One.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit(the Word of GOD; the Word is GOD, GOD is Spirit),
and the Water(the testimony of JESUS-John 7:38-39.Take a look.), and the blood (JESUS came by water and blood...not by water only, but by water and blood (of course), the Word was made flesh). And it is the Spirit (it is GOD the Father) that beareth witness(John 5:31-32 combined with John 7:18 and 8:18.Take a look), because the Spirit is Truth: and these three agree in One.
John 3:31-36
31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.

32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.

33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that GOD is true.


34 For he whom GOD hath sent speaketh the words of GOD: for GOD giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the WRATH OF GOD abideth on him.

My Lord JESUS warned: Matthew 12:36-37

36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

GET READY

God is a Trinity, Each an Individual, yet all are One, and that One is God.
 
But listen now, Jacob my servant, Israel whom I have chosen. Thus says Yahweh who made you, who formed you from the womb, who is your help. Do not be afraid, Jacob my servant, Jeshurun who am I have chosen.

For I will pour out the water on thirsty soil, streams on dry ground. I will pour out my spirit on your descendants, my blessings on your children. They shall grow like grass where there is plenty of water, like poplars by running stream.

One man will say, I belong to yahweh, another will call himself by Jacob's name. On his hand another will write Yahweh and be surnamed Israel.

Isaiah 44:1-5

If Abraham only bears the seed. Why then does God refer to the descendents of Jacob as his children?

Why does God use terms for watering crops (seeds)? ( God will pour out water on thirsty ground)

This is all in the same verses
Your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumblingblock-Genesis 3:1-, not from GOD's perspective(Matthew 16:23)
 
God is a Trinity, Each an Individual, yet all are One, and that One is God.
What matters and prevails is the everlasting Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, self-executable. Your thinking is good for nothing.
 
Your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumblingblock-Genesis 3:1-, not from GOD's perspective(Matthew 16:23)
Your reply is typical of someone trying to build up their own 'perspective'. I've heard similar rantings over - and over - and over again.

Your thinking is good for nothing.
Every body's thinking needs to be considered - no mater how good or bad it is. To say it's good for nothing - ???
 
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What matters and prevails is the everlasting Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, self-executable. Your thinking is good for nothing.
The same could be said of your thinking. Think highly of yourself do ya?
 
My response here is that the Jews will NOT believe the anti-Christ is their Messiah.
What my Lord JESUS said I wrote in my post you are replying, as follow:
The testimony of JESUS is the spirit of prophecy, yes, the Jews will believe in the Devil incarnated, the son of perdition, yes, believe in their false messiah, an IMPOSTER- 2Thes. 2:2-3, that they all might be DAMNED who believed not the Truth (believe not in JESUS), but had pleasure in unrighteousness-2Thessalonians 2:11-12.

The WORST to the Jews will come from now on because GOD the Father "shall send them strong DELUSION -the false messiah-John 5:43-47 combined with Revelation 13:11-18, that they should believe a lie: (believe in the false messiah, a false lamb with two horns, symbol of the two ancient kingdoms of Israel-Revelation 13:11), actually AN IMPOSTOR-this MAN is the own Devil incarnated-2The.2:2-12-a former very wise cherub, Take a look.
He was born decades ago, and will manifest himself soon as messiah, in fact he is the father of the Jews as my Lord JESUS said, understand?

That's a typical dispensational pipe dream. The idea that the men of sin would impose a global government is also another pipe dream. The NWO is NOT the anti-Christ kingdom.
I have nothing to do with satanic theories spread by human literatures, internet, and so on. I work with the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD-John 1:1-, self-executing, understand?

The men of sin will rule over some sort of an alliance of 7/10 Arab/Muslim countries.
What you said will never be fulfilled. This is also another demonic theory invented by the Devil, the father of the Jews, and father of the lie, as said my Lord JESUS. To spread lies is an strategy of the father of the Jews-Genesis 3:1 combined with Matthew 16:23.
It's disappointing to see what the 'prophecy experts' have done to common sense.
Matthew 13:27-28and 38-43
27 Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this.

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the Devil; the harvest is the END OF THE WORLD; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire
; so shall it be in the END of this world. (world of Devil)

Revelation 11:15 -
15 - ... The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

18 - And the NATIONS were (WILL BE) angry, and GOD's WRATH is come, ...

GET READY
 
What my Lord JESUS said I wrote in my post you are replying, as follow:
The testimony of JESUS is the spirit of prophecy, yes, the Jews will believe in the Devil incarnated, the son of perdition, yes, believe in their false messiah, an IMPOSTER- 2Thes. 2:2-3, that they all might be DAMNED who believed not the Truth (believe not in JESUS), but had pleasure in unrighteousness-2Thessalonians 2:11-12.

The WORST to the Jews will come from now on because GOD the Father "shall send them strong DELUSION -the false messiah-John 5:43-47 combined with Revelation 13:11-18, that they should believe a lie: (believe in the false messiah, a false lamb with two horns, symbol of the two ancient kingdoms of Israel-Revelation 13:11), actually AN IMPOSTOR-this MAN is the own Devil incarnated-2The.2:2-12-a former very wise cherub, Take a look.
He was born decades ago, and will manifest himself soon as messiah, in fact he is the father of the Jews as my Lord JESUS said, understand?


I have nothing to do with satanic theories spread by human literatures, internet, and so on. I work with the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD-John 1:1-, self-executing, understand?


What you said will never be fulfilled. This is also another demonic theory invented by the Devil, the father of the Jews, and father of the lie, as said my Lord JESUS. To spread lies is an strategy of the father of the Jews-Genesis 3:1 combined with Matthew 16:23.

Matthew 13:27-28and 38-43
27 Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this.

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the Devil; the harvest is the END OF THE WORLD; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire
; so shall it be in the END of this world. (world of Devil)

Revelation 11:15 -
15 - ... The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

18 - And the NATIONS were (WILL BE) angry, and GOD's WRATH is come, ...

GET READY
You are so full of yourself it's hardly worth being here. See you all later AGAIN for a while. You're just a mean old curmudgeon with nothing to do but come here and be a jerk.
 
God is a Trinity, Each an Individual, yet all are One, and that One is God.
What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, understand?

1John 5:7 - There are three that testifies in heaven(heaven? Ephesians 1:3-8), the Father-GOD, the Father- , the Word - the Word made flesh-JESUS- , and the Holy Spirit (who is not a Ghost, as is written in English language, but a Person. By the way, he does not accept such silly NICKNAME): and these three are One.
 
Your reply is typical of someone trying to build up their own 'perspective'. I've heard similar rantings over - and over - and over again.

Every body's thinking needs to be considered - no mater how good or bad it is. To say it's good for nothing - ???
The wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Grace only be with all them that love my Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen.
 
You are so full of yourself it's hardly worth being here. See you all later AGAIN for a while. You're just a mean old curmudgeon with nothing to do but come here and be a jerk.
The most important is that the truer and disguised spirit that possessed you would manifest itself before all readers here.
 
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