The faith "of" Jesus Christ

[God's Truth]

Do you think a “true” born again Christian would constantly accuse another Christian of saying things which he never said.? Even after the accused tried to correct the accuser over and over again?

No doubt, the false accuser is not a true born again Christian, but is a reprobate.

You proved you are not right in the head and heart.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

You proved you are not right in the head and heart.

You have proven over and over again that you are a liar and a false accuser, not to mention a blasphemer.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

God's Truth said:
….you were preaching faith alone and for us to do nothing else?

There is the proof of your lies and false accusations.

God’s saints are not liars and false accusers.

 

[God's Truth]

You have proven over and over again that you are a liar and a false accuser, not to mention a blasphemer.

I don't lie and don't do what you falsely claim I do.
You shouldn't be allowed to say those things on this site.

 

[God's Truth]

@StewardoftheMystery

The OP you wrote shows you don't believe that we have to obey Jesus to get saved.

 

[God's Truth]

I have already once before replied to this OP, but since you seem to have changed your beliefs and now deny what you preached before, I will show you again.

When “we truly believe in” God’s Word and what Jesus Christ did for us,

Right there in the first part of your first sentence, you say when we truly believe.
Like I said before, believing and truly believing means nothing in and of itself.
We have to believe and do a right action such as repent of our sins to get saved.
Jesus does not save us before we obey by repenting of our sins.

by going to the cross to die for our past sins, and to also make us free from the power of future sin and death.

Truly believing Jesus did that---that does NOT save us.
For we have to die on the cross too---that is, we have to crucify ourselves with him on the cross.
That means we have to tell Jesus we die to the sins of the world and promise to live to please him.

Then we, by the grace of God are born again;

See what you did?
You said we believe and then are born again.
You said NOTHING about REPENTING OF SINS.
You said nothing about dying to the sins of the world.

and we receive the Righteousness “of” God, which is by the faith “of” Jesus Christ. Notice this “gift” of imputed righteousness is by the faith “of” Christ, and is not given to us because of our own works, but by the works “of” Jesus Christ.

There you go on about the world 'of'.
You also do the infamous "not because of our works" misunderstanding from Calvin, as proven by what you said right before that when you said we believe and then we are saved and not of our works.

The 'not of works' means we don't have to get circumcised in the flesh and have an animal sacrificed for us...

We have to believe to be saved, but we also have to do a works called REPENT OF YOUR SINS, and DIE TO THE SINS OF THE WORLD.
It is also called CRUCIFY YOURSELVES.

Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith “of” Jesus Christ, even we have believed “in” Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith “of” Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Again notice the imputed righteousness “OF” God is given because of the faith “OF” Jesus Christ, when “we believe in” what Jesus did for us.

You use the same scriptures that Calvin misuses, and many other preachers.

You keep talking about believing in Jesus and having this imputed faith as if a person is saved right when they believe in Jesus.

Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness “of” God which is by faith “of” Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that “believe”: for there is no difference:

We being born again of the Spirit now live, because of the faith “of” the Son of God.

See that, you said we being born again of the Spirit now live, BECAUSE OF THE FAITH OF THE SON OF GOD.

We have to have faith.
Jesus doesn't have the faith for us.

Jesus said he remains in his Father's love BECAUSE HE OBEYED HIS FATHER.

John 15:10 If you obey my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commandments and remain in his love.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith “of” the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Notice, it is not “our own righteousness” that saves us, but the righteousness “of” God, through the faith “of” Jesus Christ.

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having “mine own righteousness”, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith “of” Christ, the righteousness which is “of” God by faith:

This faith “of” Christ is “the gift of faith” we receive by the grace of God. (not of ourselves)

God has given all men the capability to have faith.

Ephesians 2:8 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that “not of yourselves”: it is “the gift of God:”

God foretold of how his servants would have “His righteousness” imputed to them.

God gives the gift to HIS CHILDREN.

We have to CHANGE LIKE THAT OF A LITTLE CHILD or we will NEVER ENTER.

Matthew 18:3 And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through “the righteousness of God” and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Galatians 3:22
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith “of” Jesus Christ might be “given to them” that believe. (gift of faith)

So in order to receive this gift, we must believe in (by faith in) the words of God concerning His Son, and in the power of the cross, in the cleansing power of the blood of Christ; and in the power of God’s resurrection through Jesus Christ our Lord.

For this is “the work of God”, that you “believe” on Him whom He has sent.

Of course, we have to BELIEVE in Jesus, which is to have faith in him.

Paul is differentiating between having faith that Jesus' blood purifies us as opposed to the blood of lamb's and doing the other purification works.

Paul IS NOT saying we are saved by faith alone.

Faith alone is mentioned one time in the Bible and it is to warn of what kind of faith NOT to have.

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by “faith in” Christ Jesus.

So “believe” the words of Jesus Christ, and seek God’s righteousness by “faith in” Jesus Christ.

Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and “his righteousness”; and all these things shall be added unto you.

2 Corinthians 5:21 “For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might “be made” the righteousness of God “in him.”

This gift of grace and of the righteousness of God, and of the faith “of” Christ cannot be “earned by your own works”, it is a gift given to those who truly believe.

You can say faith of Jesus a million times and a person still have to have faith IN Jesus.

Romans 3:21
But now the righteousness of God “without the law” is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Paul is speaking about the works of the law which are the purification works.

Romans 3:22
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith “of” Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them “that believe”: for there is no difference:

Romans 4:6 “Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness “without works”,

Romans 10:3 “For they being ignorant of “God's righteousness”, and going about to establish “their own righteousness”, have not submitted themselves unto “the righteousness of God”.

Galatians 2:21 “I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”

James 2:23 “And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham “believed God”, and it was “imputed unto him for righteousness”: and he was called the Friend of God.

We cannot save ourselves or work off our own sin debt, neither can we make ourselves righteous.

The Jews did the righteous works of the law to have a relationship with God.
These are the works of the law that we don't do anymore:

The Burnt Offering; The Grain Offering; The Fellowship Offering; The Sin Offering; The Guilt Offering; Dietary Laws; Purification After Childbirth; Cleansing From Infectious Skin Diseases; Cleansing From Mildew; Discharges Causing Uncleanness; The Day of Atonement; Rules for Priests; The Sabbath; Firstfruits; The Passover and Unleavened Bread; Feast of Weeks; Feast of Trumpets; Feast of Tabernacles; Oil and Bread Set Before The LORD; the Sabbath Year; The Year of Jubilee; Circumcision.


Those works are what separated the Jews from the Gentiles.

The Jews used to have to live by those works, but now they have to have faith that Jesus purifies us now and not us doing those works.

Romans 4:2-5 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.3 For what saith the scripture? “Abraham believed God”, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.5 But to him that worketh not, but “believeth on him” that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”

So believe in the power of the Lord that can make you righteous

Belief alone is dead and cannot save anyone.

That scripture about Abraham is FAITH VERSES CIRCUMCISION, and NOT faith verses obedience.

Genesis 15:6 “And he “believed in” the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.”

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time “his righteousness”: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which “believeth in” Jesus.”

Romans 4:5 “But to him that worketh not, but “believeth on him” that justifieth the ungodly, “his faith” is counted for righteousness.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law “for righteousness” to every one that “believeth”.

Romans 10:9-10 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt “believe in thine heart” that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man “believeth unto righteousness”; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.”​

The scripture say shall be saved, not are saved.
The scripture says that we have to believe and confess our sins.
We have to do what Jesus came to earth and taught what we have to do to get saved, and that is change like a little child and repent of our sins.

Just read three more scriptures down.

Romans 10:13 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."


Did you read that?

AFTER people CONFESSED and REPENTED of their SINS, they were water baptized, and THEN THEY CAME OUT OF THE WATER CALLING ON JESUS to save them, to give them his Spirit.

You gave scriptures that say we have to believe and say Jesus is Lord, and read what Jesus says about calling him Lord:

Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?

Matthew 7:21 Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven.


Did you read what Jesus says about calling him Lord and how only those who DO WHAT GOD'S will is can be saved?

So believe “in” the Word of God, and receive the imputed righteousness of God, being justified by the faith “of” Jesus Christ.

May the grace of the Lord be with you. Peace

We have to do more than just believe and hope you understand what I am saying and why.
You made a long OP and just kept highlighting the word 'of', and said not one thing about obey and repent of sins.
You also did not explain as I did that the purification works of the law such as circumcision is the not of works.

 

[God's Truth]

@StewardoftheMystery

The OP you wrote shows you don't believe that we have to obey Jesus to get saved.

We have to obey Jesus by having faith in him and by doing the other things he says to do to get saved.

Belief/faith is something we have to do and it is a work, but it is a dead work if you don't do a right action with it, such as confess and repent of your sins to Jesus and promise to die to the sins of the world and live to please him.

 

[God's Truth]

When “we truly believe in” God’s Word and what Jesus Christ did for us, by going to the cross to die for our past sins, and to also make us free from the power of future sin and death. Then we, by the grace of God are born again; and we receive the Righteousness “of” God, which is by the faith “of” Jesus Christ. Notice this “gift” of imputed righteousness is by the faith “of” Christ, and is not given to us because of our own works, but by the works “of” Jesus Christ.

Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith “of” Jesus Christ, even we have believed “in” Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith “of” Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Again notice the imputed righteousness “OF” God is given because of the faith “OF” Jesus Christ, when “we believe in” what Jesus did for us.

Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness “of” God which is by faith “of” Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that “believe”: for there is no difference:

We being born again of the Spirit now live, because of the faith “of” the Son of God.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith “of” the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Notice, it is not “our own righteousness” that saves us, but the righteousness “of” God, through the faith “of” Jesus Christ.

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having “mine own righteousness”, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith “of” Christ, the righteousness which is “of” God by faith:

This faith “of” Christ is “the gift of faith” we receive by the grace of God. (not of ourselves)

Ephesians 2:8 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that “not of yourselves”: it is “the gift of God:”

God foretold of how his servants would have “His righteousness” imputed to them.

Isaiah 54:17
No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and “their righteousness is of me”, saith the Lord.

We receive this righteousness “of” God by the faith “of “Jesus Christ, when “we believe in” Him.

2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through “the righteousness of God” and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Galatians 3:22
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith “of” Jesus Christ might be “given to them” that believe. (gift of faith)

So in order to receive this gift, we must believe in (by faith in) the words of God concerning His Son, and in the power of the cross, in the cleansing power of the blood of Christ; and in the power of God’s resurrection through Jesus Christ our Lord.

For this is “the work of God”, that you “believe” on Him whom He has sent.

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by “faith in” Christ Jesus.

So “believe” the words of Jesus Christ, and seek God’s righteousness by “faith in” Jesus Christ.

Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and “his righteousness”; and all these things shall be added unto you.

2 Corinthians 5:21 “For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might “be made” the righteousness of God “in him.”

This gift of grace and of the righteousness of God, and of the faith “of” Christ cannot be “earned by your own works”, it is a gift given to those who truly believe.

Romans 3:21
But now the righteousness of God “without the law” is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Romans 3:22
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith “of” Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them “that believe”: for there is no difference:

Romans 4:6 “Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness “without works”,

Romans 10:3 “For they being ignorant of “God's righteousness”, and going about to establish “their own righteousness”, have not submitted themselves unto “the righteousness of God”.

Galatians 2:21 “I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”

James 2:23 “And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham “believed God”, and it was “imputed unto him for righteousness”: and he was called the Friend of God.

We cannot save ourselves or work off our own sin debt, neither can we make ourselves righteous.

Romans 4:2-5 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.3 For what saith the scripture? “Abraham believed God”, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.5 But to him that worketh not, but “believeth on him” that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”

So believe in the power of the Lord that can make you righteous

Genesis 15:6 “And he “believed in” the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.”

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time “his righteousness”: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which “believeth in” Jesus.”

Romans 4:5 “But to him that worketh not, but “believeth on him” that justifieth the ungodly, “his faith” is counted for righteousness.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law “for righteousness” to every one that “believeth”.

Romans 10:9-10 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt “believe in thine heart” that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man “believeth unto righteousness”; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.”​

So believe “in” the Word of God, and receive the imputed righteousness of God, being justified by the faith “of” Jesus Christ.

May the grace of the Lord be with you. Peace

All that highlighting the word 'of' is the same as saying 'in'.
There are old translations that used the word 'of' and many teachers use that word to make a false doctrine.
There are many translations that say 'in' instead of 'of'.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

We have to obey Jesus by having faith in him and by doing the other things he says to do to get saved.

You mean like you, who lies and bears false witness, and blasphemes? I guess obedience to God’s words does not apply to you, only to others.

You say, but do not. Just like the HYPOCRITES in Jesus’ day.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

We have to obey Jesus
God's Truth said:
….you were preaching faith alone and for us to do nothing else?

Is lying and making false accusations obeying Jesus?

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

Is lying and making false accusations obeying Jesus?

James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”

Guilty as charged!

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

The OP you wrote shows you don't believe that we have to obey Jesus to get saved.

More lies.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

You shouldn't be allowed to say those things on this site.

You should not be allowed to prop up straw man arguments, to misrepresent what others say. To lie about what others have said, and to bear false witness against them, not to mention blaspheming the Spirit of Truth.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

The OP you wrote shows you don't believe that we have to obey Jesus to get saved.

Some how in your distorted mind, you think that having “faith in” and “believing in” Jesus Christ somehow suggests disobeying His words.

Truly you do not understand the meanings of words.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

The OP you wrote shows you don't believe that we have to obey Jesus to get saved.

More lies and straw man arguments. Will you also blaspheme Jesus for speaking the same?​

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John 3:14-16​

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14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:​

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life”​

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Look, according to your twisted straw man arguement, Jesus is teaching faith without works. Oh my!​

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

I don't lie

Yes you do, the proof is right here…

God's Truth said:
….you were preaching faith alone and for us to do nothing else?

I am still waiting for the quote where I said this. But there is none, because you are a LIAR!

 

[God's Truth]

More lies and straw man arguments. Will you also blaspheme Jesus for speaking the same?​

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John 3:14-16​

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14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:​

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life”​

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Look, according to your twisted straw man arguement, Jesus is teaching faith without works. Oh my!​

They who were bit by snakes had to look at the bronze snake to live, it was a prophecy of Jesus who was to come.

Now listen carefully, for that was a prophecy about Jesus being lifted up (crucified) and our believing on him and his blood shed on the cross, BUT AS FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE DESERT who LIVED AFTER BEING BIT and LOOKING AT THE CROSS---

THEY. ALL. DIED. IN. THE. DESERT. and did NOT. get to the PROMISED LAND.

Now ready for it?

They did NOT get to the promised land because THEY DID NOT OBEY GOD's COMMANDS.


Hebrews 3:17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?

Numbers 14:22 not one of those who saw my glory and the signs I performed in Egypt and in the wilderness but who disobeyed me and tested me ten times--


We have to OBEY GOD and NOT SIN.

Those who looked at the bronze snake might not have died from the snake bite, BUT THEY STILL DIED IN THAT DESERT.

WHYYYYYYYY???????

Because they did NOT OBEY God and stop sinning.

We have to repent of our sins to get saved and to stay saved.

 

[God's Truth]

Look, ... Jesus is teaching faith without works. Oh my!​

Here you say Jesus teaches faith without works.

You kept calling me a liar and blasphemous of the worse kind for saying you teach that.

You ready to repent?

 

[God's Truth]

More lies and straw man arguments. Will you also blaspheme Jesus for speaking the same?

John 3:14-1614 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life”

Look, according to your twisted straw man arguement, Jesus is teaching faith without works. Oh my!​

All the things you said about me are what you are guilty of.

You are guilty of everything you accused me of doing.

You prove with that statement that you do preach faith without works.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

Here you say Jesus teaches faith without works.

No, that is the way you think. If I quoted those 2 verses, you would accuse me of teaching faith without works, because you are like a hammer looking for a nail.