The false early rapture timing doctrine

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Rev 5:10 "And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."

I have 16 Bible translations, most say "a kingdom of priests". But even so, none say we are Lord of Lords, or even King of Kings.
That title is reserved for one person.

Rev 19:16; And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

Jesus Christ was the first begotten of the dead and the first of the new creation of God Rev 3:14 I really am sorry you cannot see this for it is wonderful. But things
are hid from some eyes though it be right in front of them. I know, for the hidden manna was not revealed to me until I was allowed to overcome what was
required to be overcome in order to receive this hidden manna.

All this means is Jesus created Himself first before the rest of creation.

John 1:3; All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Col 1:16; For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
Col 1:17; He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
Col 1:18; He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.

 

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Psa 10:4; The wicked, in the haughtiness of his countenance, does not seek Him. All his thoughts are, "There is no God."
Psa 14:1; For the choir director. A Psalm of David. The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, they have committed abominable deeds; There is no one who does good.
Psa 53:1; For the choir director; according to Mahalath. A Maskil of David. The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God," They are corrupt, and have committed abominable injustice; There is no one who does good.

If everyone is God, then no one is God. When we get to thinking there is no God... we have a problem.
The insects and animals could possibly think we are God, because we are superior to them. But we didn't create them.

 

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"KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

As is stated here It says King of kings and Lord of lords, so who are the kings, and lords that he is King and Lord of?

If everyone is God, then no one is God. When we get to thinking there is no God...

Not sure where you got that but my reference was that there is One True God, the Father of Jesus who was proclaimed by his Father to be a God. "Unto the Son
he saith thy throne O God is forever."
And even Jesus himself says that life eternal is to know "THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent."

I'm betting on your interpretation of scripture to be that of a trinity type doctrine or the one that says Jesus is God his own Father in which case I see where you come
from.
But lets do keep in mind that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom and we are to inherit the kingdom as spiritual sons, not flesh and blood humans. The men
that God dwells with are those that are still on the earth that were not changed during the second coming and live and still have children during the 1000 yr reign.
Your bible tells you that a man will be as rare as fine gold at the beginning of the reign but that they will be like the sands of the sea when Satan is loosed
to draw all to the battle of Armageddon. Procreation will still take place even in the kingdom reign. We will not participate as in the resurrection there is neither
male nor female and they will be like the angels, they are spiritual beings.
Jesus was the beginning of the creation of God as scripture states in Jesus' own words. And as he says if any man will come after me let him deny himself take up his
cross and follow me .This man will die a man and be raised a spiritual being just as Jesus was. He was glorified and became a life giving spirit and tells us that if
we overcome we shall sit in his throne with him as he overcame and has sit down in his Fathers throne. This doesn't sound too much like a place where a man would
be placed, but rather a spiritual son of God and brother of Jesus. Those brothers are joint-heirs with Christ, and he is no longer a man and neither will they be.

 

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As is stated here It says King of kings and Lord of lords, so who are the kings, and lords that he is King and Lord of?

The same kings as now. Earthly kings. (presidents, prime ministers, etc..)

Rev 21:24; The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.

 

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We will not participate as in the resurrection there is neither
male nor female and they will be like the angels, they are spiritual beings.

Angels can materialize in flesh form under certain circumstances. All angels mentioned in the Bible are males.
Some angels married human females and had children from them.

An angel physically grabbed Lot and pulled him into a door. Jacob wrestled with an angel.

 

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But lets do keep in mind that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom and we are to inherit the kingdom as spiritual sons, not flesh and blood humans.

Luke 24:39; "See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have."
Luke 24:40; And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.
Luke 24:41; While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, "Have you anything here to eat?"
Luke 24:42; They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish;
Luke 24:43; and He took it and ate it before them.

Acts 1:11; They also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven."

Did He have flesh when He ascended into heaven? Did He have blood when He sprinkled it on the mercy seat in heaven?

1Jn 4:1; Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2; By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;
1Jn 4:3; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

John 1:14; And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

 

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We will not participate

John 5:28; "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
John 5:29; and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Everyone falls into one of those two groups.

1Cor 15:13; But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised;
1Cor 15:42; So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body;

Acts 24:15; having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

 

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Not sure where you got that but my reference was that there is One True God, the Father of Jesus who was proclaimed by his Father to be a God. "Unto the Son
he saith thy throne O God is forever."

I got it from here, where you seem to be contradicting that statement.

Man was made a little lower than angels for the suffering of death as was Jesus. But man will eventually judge angels, so man must become higher than angels.
When the change comes we are to be like Jesus as stated in 1 John 3:2. This is scriptural and factual. Mankind was not made mankind to stay mankind forever.

 

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By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;

Agree completely as God cannot die. But Jesus did and was resurrected by God, the Father of his flesh and spirit.

; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

Believe this is a misquote.
MY KJV says of 1 John 4:3 "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist......."

Angels can materialize in flesh form under certain circumstances. All angels mentioned in the Bible are males.

Agree again but angels are spiritual beings that as you put it can materialize in flesh form. Why could you as a spiritual being not do the same? We could say the
same thing about Jesus. 1 Co 15:45 "And so it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being. The last Adam became a life giving spirit."
But was a man to begin with. And all power in heaven and in earth including power over all angels was GIVEN unto him. Matthew 28:18



Angels are mentioned as sons of God but not that they necessarily have physical male parts. But if they wanted to leave their first estate to lay with the
daughters of men then I guess that would have to be materialized too? And since there is no marriage of the resurrected unto life that are like the angels
of God what would be the point of having reproductive parts?

Matthew 22:30 :"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven." Only sons allowed, as I found
nothing to suggest that angels procreate with other angels.

I got it from here, where you seem to be contradicting that statement.

Where in that statement do you read that we are to become equal with God? It never says that unless You believe that Jesus is God his own Father, but even then
I stated that we will always be in subjection to our first born of the dead brother Jesus who will always be in subjection to his Father the only true God.

 

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Where in that statement do you read that we are to become equal with God? It never says that unless You believe that Jesus is God his own Father, but even then
I stated that we will always be in subjection to our first born of the dead brother Jesus who will always be in subjection to his Father the only true God.

The Bible plainly says Jesus is God in several places. He is not His Father. There is only One God, but that God is made up of three persons.

 

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What is born of the flesh is flesh. That that is born of the spirit is spirit. Whats the point of being born of the spirit unless we become spiritual beings
when the change occurs.

The Bible plainly says Jesus is God in several places. He is not His Father. There is only One God, but that God is made up of three persons.

Now I understand your confusion. But to continue, please show me one place where Jesus says he is God. As opposed to saying of himself he is Gods Son.

 

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No man hath ever seen God, but plenty saw Jesus.

 

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No man hath ever seen God, but plenty saw Jesus.

They saw the human side of Jesus.

John 14:7; "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him."
John 14:8; Philip *said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us."
John 14:9; Jesus *said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
John 14:10; "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works.

 

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but the Father abiding in Me does His works.

God is a Spirit this is why man cannot see him. He was in Christ Jesus reconciling the world unto himself. The Gospel of God were the words that he
gave to Jesus to tell the masses. The miracles that were done were done by the Father who resided in Jesus. This is why he says if you have seen me you have
seen the Father. We who are told by the Lord to pray for someone to be healed know that we are not the ones doing the healing, but we could say the same thing,
that is if you have seen me in the performance of a task (simple message delivery) you have witnessed the Father in action as you received what he told me to tell
you that you were gonna get from him.
This verse you use cannot be reconciled with "No man hath seen God at any time" by using it to say that Jesus was the Father. That would contradict
the no man hath seen God verse.

 

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They saw the human side of Jesus.

Not even sure what that means as Jesus was a man according to Peter. Acts 2:22, and as a man could die, God cannot die as he was, is and is to come the everlasting.

 

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God cannot die

God can do anything. Can you show me this in scripture?

 

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This is turning into a trinitarian vs unitarian thing, maybe we should just agree to disagree and move on?

But I will say that God raised Jesus from the dead Romans 10:9, it does not say he raised himself from the dead.
And John 20:17 after being resurrected Jesus told Mary that he was ascending to My God and your God. So if he was God then why need to ascend?
And to add to that he tells the disciples that the Holy Ghost would not be given until he was back with the Father, so if he was God what need to go back to the Father?
On the cross he says My God My God why hast THOU forsaken ME. Was he forsaking himself?

Like I said maybe better to just drop this and move on

 

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God can do anything. Can you show me this in scripture?

Malachi 3:6 "For I am the LORD, I change not......" I think becoming a human would be a change. And God says believe that I crucified my own Son for your sins,
not himself.

 

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Jesus is God.

Tit 2:13; looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

2Pet 1:1; Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

Heb 1:8; But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

Even the Father calls the Son God.

John 1:1; In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2; He was in the beginning with God.

He was with God, and He was God.

Matt 1:23; "BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL," which translated means, "GOD WITH US."

Jesus is/was God with us. Not sort of God, not a god, not half god. But "God" with us.

Isa 9:6; For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

The Son is "Mighty God".

John 5:18; For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

Gen 1:1; In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

God created the heavens and the earth.

Col 1:16; For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.

Jesus created the heavens and the Earth... Jesus is God.

God the Father is God. He is the alpha and omega, (first and last)

Rev 21:6; Then He said to me, "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost.
Rev 21:7; "He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son.

Jesus is the alpha and omega also.

Rev 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Rev 22:13; "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

A "mere man" can never be your redeemer.

Psa 49:7; No man can by any means redeem his brother Or give to God a ransom for him—

But God can.

Psa 49:15; But God will redeem my soul from the power of Sheol, For He will receive me. Selah.

Is Jesus your redeemer? ( Gal 4:5; Tit 2:14; )

Do you worship Jesus? Do you worship anyone who is not God?

Rev 15:4; "Who will not fear, O Lord, and glorify Your name? For You alone are holy; For ALL THE NATIONS WILL COME AND WORSHIP BEFORE YOU, FOR YOUR RIGHTEOUS ACTS HAVE BEEN REVEALED."

Matt 2:11; After coming into the house they saw the Child with Mary His mother; and they fell to the ground and worshiped Him. Then, opening their treasures, they presented to Him gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh.
Matt 14:33; And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God's Son!"
Matt 28:9; And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him.

Thomas called Jesus God, Jesus didn't tell Thomas He wasn't.

John 20:28; Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
John 20:29; Jesus *said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed."

The "fulness" of deity is in Jesus, not part deity, not "kind of" deity, but the fullness of feity.

Col 2:9; For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

Any valid doctrine of Jesus must agree with all of these verses.

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Why is Jesus often called "a man" or "the son of man" in the Bible?

You might want to read this thread to save time and a lot of re-posting.

Jesus Christ - 'the man"

Let me start off by saying Jesus is God. Part of the trinity. No argument about that here. But I want to focus on the human part of Jesus for a moment. Jesus favorite name for Himself was "the Son of Man". This phrase is used over 100 times in the New Testament. Most of those verses are...

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