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The GAY : Agenda

THE HOMOSEXUAL MANIFESTO

By Michael Swift, .. Reprinted from The Congressional Record of the United States Congress. February 15-21 1987

“We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us.
Women, you cry for freedom. You say you are no longer satisfied with men; they make you unhappy. We, connoisseurs of the masculine face, the masculine physique, shall take your men from you then. We will amuse them; we will instruct them; we will embrace them when they weep. Women, you say you wish to live with each other instead of with men. Then go and be with each other. We shall give your men pleasures they have never known because we are foremost men too, and only one man knows how to truly please another man; only one man can understand the depth and feeling, the mind and body of another man
. All laws banning homosexual activity will be revoked. Instead, legislation shall be passed which engenders love between men. All homosexuals must stand together as brothers; we must be united artistically, philosophically, socially, politically and financially. We will triumph only when we present a common face to the vicious heterosexual enemy. “If you dare to cry ******, fairy, queer, at us, we will stab you in your cowardly hearts and defile your dead, puny bodies. We shall write poems of the love between men; we shall stage plays in which man openly caresses man; we shall make films about the love between heroic men which will replace the cheap, superficial, entimental, insipid, juvenile, heterosexual infatuations presently dominating your cinema screens. We shall sculpt statues of beautiful young men, of bold athletes which will be placed in your parks, your squares, your plazas. The museums of the world will be filled only with paintings of graceful, naked lads.
Our writers and artists will make love between men fashionable and de rigueur, and we will succeed because we are adept at setting styles. We will eliminate heterosexual liaisons through usage of the Redeeming the Rainbow 203 devices of wit and ridicule, devices which we are skilled in employing.

We will unmask the powerful homosexuals who masquerade as heterosexuals. You will be shocked and frightened when you find that your presidents and their sons, your industrialists, your senators, your mayors, your generals, your athletes, your film stars, your television personalities, your civic leaders, your priests are not the safe, familiar, bourgeois, heterosexual figures you assumed them to be. We are everywhere; we have infiltrated your ranks. Be careful when you speak of homosexuals because we are always among you; we may be sitting across the desk from you; we may be sleeping in the same bed with you.
There will be no ompromises. We are not middle-class weaklings. Highly intelligent, we are the natural aristocrats of the human race, and steely-minded aristocrats never settle for less.
Those who oppose us will be exiled. We shall raise vast private armies, as Mishima did, to defeat you. We shall conquer the world because warriors inspired by and banded together by homosexual love and honor are invincible as were the ancient Greek soldiers.
The family unit-spawning ground of lies, betrayals, mediocrity, hypocrisy and violence--will be abolished. The family unit, which only dampens imagination and curbs free will, must be eliminated. Perfect boys will be conceived and grown in the genetic laboratory. They will be bonded together in communal setting, under the control and instruction of homosexual savants.
All churches who condemn us will be closed. Our only gods are handsome young men. We adhere to a cult of beauty, moral and esthetic. All that is ugly and vulgar and banal will be annihilated. Since we are alienated from middle-class heterosexual conventions, we are free to live our lives according to the dictates of the pure imagination. For us too much is not enough.
The exquisite society to emerge will be governed by an elite comprised of gay poets. One of the major requirements for a position of power in the new society of homoeroticism will be indulgence in the Greek passion. Any man contaminated with heterosexual lust will be automatically barred from a position of influence. All males who insist on remaining stupidly heterosexual will be tried in homosexualcourts of justice and will become invisible men.
We shall rewrite history, history filled and debased with your heterosexual lies and distortions. We shall portray the homosexuality of the great leaders and thinkers who have shaped the world. We will demonstrate that homosexuality and intelligence and imagination are inextricably linked, and that homosexuality is a requirement for true nobility, true beauty in a man. “We shall be victorious because we are fueled with the ferocious bitterness of the oppressed who have been forced to play seemingly bit parts in your dumb, heterosexual shows throughout the ages. We too are capable of firing guns and manning the barricades of the ultimate revolution. “Tremble, hetero swine, when we appear before you without our masks."
 
When God said that to Cain, there was no Cross of Christ.
Maybe you dont realize this, @Curtis.

Its time you do.

See, when Cain was killing Abel, there as no Cross of Christ. There was no Gospel of the Grace of God. THere was no New Covenant.., There was not even the Law of Moses or 10 Commandments, yet.

Maybe its time you realize all that ??? If you possibly can.
Why would God say this to Cain?

“…….! Sin is crouching at the door, eager to control you. But you must subdue it and be its master.”
 
Heb 10:1; For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually year by year, make perfect those who draw near.
Heb 10:2; Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, because the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have had consciousness of sins?
Heb 10:3; But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins year by year.
Heb 10:4; For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

If it was impossible for the sacrifice of animals to take away sins in the Old Testament, why did God tell the Jews to do this?

Heb 10:5; Therefore, when He comes into the world, He says, "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU HAVE NOT DESIRED, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME;
Heb 10:6; IN WHOLE BURNT OFFERINGS AND sacrifices FOR SIN YOU HAVE TAKEN NO PLEASURE.
Heb 10:7; "THEN I SAID, 'BEHOLD, I HAVE COME (IN THE SCROLL OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME) TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD.'"
Heb 10:8; After saying above, "SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS AND WHOLE BURNT OFFERINGS AND sacrifices FOR SIN YOU HAVE NOT DESIRED, NOR HAVE YOU TAKEN PLEASURE in them" (which are offered according to the Law),
Heb 10:9; then He said, "BEHOLD, I HAVE COME TO DO YOUR WILL." He takes away the first in order to establish the second.
Heb 10:10; By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:11; Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins;
Heb 10:12; but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD,

For sins for all time, even the sins of the old testament.

Heb 10:13; waiting from that time onward UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET.
Heb 10:14; For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.
Heb 10:15; And the Holy Spirit also testifies to us; for after saying,
Heb 10:16; "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS UPON THEIR HEART, AND ON THEIR MIND I WILL WRITE THEM," He then says,
Heb 10:17; "AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 10:18; Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin.

The sacrifices of the OT where a placeholder for Jesus, until He was sacrificed.
 
I guess I should share some observations and thoughts. Just to raise some eyebrows and blood pressures Jesus never mentioned the word gay or any reference to it or the action ever. All knowing and all seeing Jesus Christ left this portion of law establishment blank. There is no doubt there is law associated with the condition but not one mentioned by Jesus. Now that bears consideration but it can never bear argument, Jesus Rules. Considering is not deciding it is the action of consideration. That statement alone will produce controversy and contention but not contained within a faith that Jesus Christ is the author of.

Now let me observe something about the agenda which is what the thread is about. The agenda is an offense. It is an intrusion on the sacred psyche of individuals and seeks to establish a new bullying approach to that sacredness as legitimate conduct, not just legitimate but even right. That is a condescending position of conceit and dominance. Now that is something Jesus did condemn when confronting the pressure tactics of the pharisees. So objectionable did our Lord find it that the pharisees who displayed this character were the only group exhibiting the only sin nature wholly and completely condemned. Gay is personal. That doesn't excuse it or bless it but it does say as is inferred by the absence of Jesus's addressing of it that the Spirit of Jesus Christ is standing with the same sacred respect for the individual that the gay agenda so solidly disrespects. The agenda disgraces every soul that would stand separately with a stance and a place of it's own will that does not agree with theirs. A ravaging, desecrating, bullying character standing on the edge of violence and sometimes even crossing the line.
 
I guess I should share some observations and thoughts. Just to raise some eyebrows and blood pressures Jesus never mentioned the word gay or any reference to it or the action ever. All knowing and all seeing Jesus Christ left this portion of law establishment blank. There is no doubt there is law associated with the condition but not one mentioned by Jesus. Now that bears consideration but it can never bear argument, Jesus Rules. Considering is not deciding it is the action of consideration. That statement alone will produce controversy and contention but not contained within a faith that Jesus Christ is the author of.

Now let me observe something about the agenda which is what the thread is about. The agenda is an offense. It is an intrusion on the sacred psyche of individuals and seeks to establish a new bullying approach to that sacredness as legitimate conduct, not just legitimate but even right. That is a condescending position of conceit and dominance. Now that is something Jesus did condemn when confronting the pressure tactics of the pharisees. So objectionable did our Lord find it that the pharisees who displayed this character were the only group exhibiting the only sin nature wholly and completely condemned. Gay is personal. That doesn't excuse it or bless it but it does say as is inferred by the absence of Jesus's addressing of it that the Spirit of Jesus Christ is standing with the same sacred respect for the individual that the gay agenda so solidly disrespects. The agenda disgraces every soul that would stand separately with a stance and a place of it's own will that does not agree with theirs. A ravaging, desecrating, bullying character standing on the edge of violence and sometimes even crossing the line.
"Jesus never mentioned the word gay or any reference to it or the action ever." Untrue.
We don't know every single word He said. We do know God's stance on all sins and b/c "Jesus IS God" therefore He has spoken on it. Why you and so many make this false argument is laughable.
That's the excuse people who DO support the Alphabet sins always regurgitate.

God set the human standard with Adam and Eve.
One man to one woman. Heterosexuality.
Everything else is a sin, abnormal, evil, disgusting, perverted, depraved, etc.
No book can contain EVERY second of Jesus life let alone anyone, Disciples, their Disciples, etc.
God made the Bible SIMPLE.
 
"Jesus never mentioned the word gay or any reference to it or the action ever." Untrue.
We don't know every single word He said. We do know God's stance on all sins and b/c "Jesus IS God" therefore He has spoken on it. Why you and so many make this false argument is laughable.
That's the excuse people who DO support the Alphabet sins always regurgitate.

God set the human standard with Adam and Eve.
One man to one woman. Heterosexuality.
Everything else is a sin, abnormal, evil, disgusting, perverted, depraved, etc.
No book can contain EVERY second of Jesus life let alone anyone, Disciples, their Disciples, etc.
God made the Bible SIMPLE.
As I remarked at introduction the statement would produce some controversy. As stated further on in the post there IS LAW. So let's get deeper into LAW. Consider Mathew 5. Consider the concept in depth of these words spoken by the mouth that created the universe with further inference by the eternal authority of His Person that every inflection of meaning however subtle and slight is universal and cosmic in implication ( He Is The Truth). Truth is incorporated in His very person. In that perspective lets consider this preamble of Jesus Christ ( YOU HAVE HEARD IT SAID ) now you can fill in the blanks of the topics He addressed. Then consider this statement ( Don't think I have come to abolish the law. I have not come to abolish but to fulfill ). So now I should throw some testimony out here but first why is testimony important? Here is a reality, where a new perspective is offered different than that of the audience a sound witness is required to convey the new view. A witness is in fact a requirement for the conveyance so declares Scripture. It is just a condition of life and of a different perspective as a whole. So here goes.

As a young child ( first grade age ) I was given a great gift. I could read at that age as good as I can read right now and while my peers were raising havoc on the neighborhood I was sequestered in the basement library devouring what ever volumes I could find. During that exploration of ideas and emotions I came across a volume that contained the most interesting examples of perspectives of the brightest minds in our earthly historical realm. The book was called The Dictionary of Thoughts. It is a book of historical people of renown with their opinions arranged alphabetically by topics. The book is out of print now though still available on Amazon. Now why is that important? I do believe that God preambles our lives with predetermined dispositions and adds experiences that amplifies the seed He has planted within. My parents were Catholic and to say they were stern would be a gross understatement of their application of LAW. Such a stern application that one could not help but feel the weight personally and deeply. So what does this have to do with our topic and our relationship to the Law? It was then and is now an IMPOSSIBILITY to behave yourself into correctness. In fact trying to do so will crush us and destroy our esteem an injure us sometimes deeply even mortally. So during this duress I finally picked up another book that had been sitting on the table in front of me the whole time I was in the basement exploring ideas and differing perspectives, it was our family Bible. So quite depressed and beaten I opened it. When I did The Bible opened right at Mathew 5 ( The Beatitudes ) and I read this ( You have heard it said ) Immediately I understood fully that right and wrong are not rules and for their simple obedience. Sin is not that. Sin is sin because it offends Love itself. If a thing cannot stand in Love's presence without offending Love it is sin no matter what it is. Love is above the rules and is in fact the true foundation of the rules. So lets consider this deeply ( GOD IS LOVE ). I will leave out a reference to the First Commandment but I am introducing it's meaning and depth at the same time.

I'm going to go further and jump into some of the substance of the term Faith. I'm going to do it only with a questioning statement meant only for personal exploration of the concept. So here goes. Life is in our questions and as are all questions asked in humility. But death immediately inhabits the answers the moment we stand on them. All of science and human progress demonstrates this condition as real and true or as Jesus puts it before the pharisees ( Because you say you know your sin remains ) There is an awful lot to all of this but it is well worth examination and exploration. Thanks for your time and interest MedicBrovo. It is good to talk, good to care, good to Love and good to pray. So grateful for your conversation. The ultimate destination of it all is prayer and praise. In the life of the faithful that checks all the boxes our limited reasoning can rightly ascend to. Before these facts that I know to be true who am I? Who can I ever be before THESE RULES and LAWS founded on Love's perfect expression? The Spirit of the question is my right place not the spirit of the answers that are always cheap and easy compared to The Spirit of Jesus Christ.
 
) Immediately I understood fully that right and wrong are not rules and for their simple obedience. Sin is not that. Sin is sin because it offends Love itself. If a thing cannot stand in Love's presence without offending Love it is sin no matter what it is. Love is above the rules and is in fact the true foundation of the rules.

Homosexuality has nothing to do with Love.

I am a straight man, married to a woman. I've been married for over half my life.
But I love men. I loved my father when he was alive. I love my sons. I love men at church. I love men I work with. I was a fireman for about a decade, and I would've given my life for some of those men, and they would've done the same for me.
I love my neighbors. Even the un-saved ones. But that doesn't make me gay. We are supposed to "love one another". Nothing wrong with loving each other. But that doesn't make us homosexuals.

On the other hand. I watched a documentary on television about 15 years ago. The news reporter was sure there weren't "that many" gay people in San Francisco. The man they were interviewing said he could find 100 men to have sex with
within the next few hours. Sure enough, the man had sex with 100 other men that same day. He didn't even know some of their names. He had never met most of them before. He didn't "love" them, he just had sex with them.

Who you love doesn't make you a homosexual, who you have sex with does.

Love is above the rules and is in fact the true foundation of the rules.

The Bible doesn't have any rules about love. You can love whoever you want. However, the Bible does have a LOT of rules about sex. Literally hundreds.


However, the Bible does give us some rules, about "how" to love our neighbor.

The 10 commandments are a good start.
 
There is no doubt there is law associated with the condition but not one mentioned by Jesus.

That depends on how you view the Bible.

John 1:1; In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2; He was in the beginning with God.

If Jesus is the Word ( the Bible ). Then there is nothing in the Bible that Jesus didn't say.

Rev 19:13; He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
 
I think you are focusing on the physical. That is not at all where I'm coming from in fact my thinking and what I am trying to convey is very far from the physical. There is a foundation to ALL LAW. It is the first commandment. In fact the approach you have is missing that foundation completely and is not acknowledging at all that view. There is no inference of engaging in sin as justified only that sin like Love is both deeper and higher than the perspective you have taken or that anyone truly can take.
 
There is no inference of engaging in sin as justified only that sin like Love is both deeper and higher than the perspective you have taken or that anyone truly can take.

That isn't Christianity that is New-age mysticism.

1Cor 13:4; Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant,
1Cor 13:5; does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered,
1Cor 13:6; does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth;
1Cor 13:7; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
1Cor 13:8; Love never fails; ...
 
That depends on how you view the Bible.

John 1:1; In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2; He was in the beginning with God.

If Jesus is the Word ( the Bible ). Then there is nothing in the Bible that Jesus didn't say.

Rev 19:13; He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
So let me try to adjust the focus to the deeper place. Jesus Christ is more than The Word as you are referencing. The creation of all of existence is found in His sacrifice. It is for this reason we give Him full Faith with total confidence. ( Slain from the foundation of the world ). Now this expands His substance and meaning far beyond The Bible which is meant for our instruction and has as it's boundaries human perception.
Now you are interpreting my position as a pro homosexuality position which it is not. It is however a pro respect position of homosexuals because Jesus Christ did not exclude them from the redemptive work of The Cross neither did He single them out for condemnation like the pharisees. So why and in what spirit would ANYONE else do that and undo the hope He established by the death of His very person. Unless we get past the standing law and examine The Living Word of The Spirit which holds no contradiction in law anyway the value of these people cannot be appreciated and that is a loss to all who would embrace it as a Christian position . If it offends Love, the Love of Love Himself or the Love of anyone even your enemies it is sin. I'm sorry your not grasping this as cleanly as I am trying to present it B-A-C.
 
THE HOMOSEXUAL MANIFESTO

By Michael Swift, .. Reprinted from The Congressional Record of the United States Congress. February 15-21 1987

“We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us.
Women, you cry for freedom. You say you are no longer satisfied with men; they make you unhappy. We, connoisseurs of the masculine face, the masculine physique, shall take your men from you then. We will amuse them; we will instruct them; we will embrace them when they weep. Women, you say you wish to live with each other instead of with men. Then go and be with each other. We shall give your men pleasures they have never known because we are foremost men too, and only one man knows how to truly please another man; only one man can understand the depth and feeling, the mind and body of another man
. All laws banning homosexual activity will be revoked. Instead, legislation shall be passed which engenders love between men. All homosexuals must stand together as brothers; we must be united artistically, philosophically, socially, politically and financially. We will triumph only when we present a common face to the vicious heterosexual enemy. “If you dare to cry ******, fairy, queer, at us, we will stab you in your cowardly hearts and defile your dead, puny bodies. We shall write poems of the love between men; we shall stage plays in which man openly caresses man; we shall make films about the love between heroic men which will replace the cheap, superficial, entimental, insipid, juvenile, heterosexual infatuations presently dominating your cinema screens. We shall sculpt statues of beautiful young men, of bold athletes which will be placed in your parks, your squares, your plazas. The museums of the world will be filled only with paintings of graceful, naked lads.
Our writers and artists will make love between men fashionable and de rigueur, and we will succeed because we are adept at setting styles. We will eliminate heterosexual liaisons through usage of the Redeeming the Rainbow 203 devices of wit and ridicule, devices which we are skilled in employing.

We will unmask the powerful homosexuals who masquerade as heterosexuals. You will be shocked and frightened when you find that your presidents and their sons, your industrialists, your senators, your mayors, your generals, your athletes, your film stars, your television personalities, your civic leaders, your priests are not the safe, familiar, bourgeois, heterosexual figures you assumed them to be. We are everywhere; we have infiltrated your ranks. Be careful when you speak of homosexuals because we are always among you; we may be sitting across the desk from you; we may be sleeping in the same bed with you.
There will be no ompromises. We are not middle-class weaklings. Highly intelligent, we are the natural aristocrats of the human race, and steely-minded aristocrats never settle for less.
Those who oppose us will be exiled. We shall raise vast private armies, as Mishima did, to defeat you. We shall conquer the world because warriors inspired by and banded together by homosexual love and honor are invincible as were the ancient Greek soldiers.
The family unit-spawning ground of lies, betrayals, mediocrity, hypocrisy and violence--will be abolished. The family unit, which only dampens imagination and curbs free will, must be eliminated. Perfect boys will be conceived and grown in the genetic laboratory. They will be bonded together in communal setting, under the control and instruction of homosexual savants.
All churches who condemn us will be closed. Our only gods are handsome young men. We adhere to a cult of beauty, moral and esthetic. All that is ugly and vulgar and banal will be annihilated. Since we are alienated from middle-class heterosexual conventions, we are free to live our lives according to the dictates of the pure imagination. For us too much is not enough.
The exquisite society to emerge will be governed by an elite comprised of gay poets. One of the major requirements for a position of power in the new society of homoeroticism will be indulgence in the Greek passion. Any man contaminated with heterosexual lust will be automatically barred from a position of influence. All males who insist on remaining stupidly heterosexual will be tried in homosexualcourts of justice and will become invisible men.
We shall rewrite history, history filled and debased with your heterosexual lies and distortions. We shall portray the homosexuality of the great leaders and thinkers who have shaped the world. We will demonstrate that homosexuality and intelligence and imagination are inextricably linked, and that homosexuality is a requirement for true nobility, true beauty in a man. “We shall be victorious because we are fueled with the ferocious bitterness of the oppressed who have been forced to play seemingly bit parts in your dumb, heterosexual shows throughout the ages. We too are capable of firing guns and manning the barricades of the ultimate revolution. “Tremble, hetero swine, when we appear before you without our masks."
WOW CONCEIT AND DECEIT The foundation of this authors life. Where will the announced aspirations take him I wonder? A place of Peace? This is mournfully sad and comes from a horrific place of pain already. It only has the promise of more pain and grief to come. The devil himself should have signed it.
 
As I remarked at introduction the statement would produce some controversy. As stated further on in the post there IS LAW. So let's get deeper into LAW. Consider Mathew 5. Consider the concept in depth of these words spoken by the mouth that created the universe with further inference by the eternal authority of His Person that every inflection of meaning however subtle and slight is universal and cosmic in implication ( He Is The Truth). Truth is incorporated in His very person. In that perspective lets consider this preamble of Jesus Christ ( YOU HAVE HEARD IT SAID ) now you can fill in the blanks of the topics He addressed. Then consider this statement ( Don't think I have come to abolish the law. I have not come to abolish but to fulfill ). So now I should throw some testimony out here but first why is testimony important? Here is a reality, where a new perspective is offered different than that of the audience a sound witness is required to convey the new view. A witness is in fact a requirement for the conveyance so declares Scripture. It is just a condition of life and of a different perspective as a whole. So here goes.

As a young child ( first grade age ) I was given a great gift. I could read at that age as good as I can read right now and while my peers were raising havoc on the neighborhood I was sequestered in the basement library devouring what ever volumes I could find. During that exploration of ideas and emotions I came across a volume that contained the most interesting examples of perspectives of the brightest minds in our earthly historical realm. The book was called The Dictionary of Thoughts. It is a book of historical people of renown with their opinions arranged alphabetically by topics. The book is out of print now though still available on Amazon. Now why is that important? I do believe that God preambles our lives with predetermined dispositions and adds experiences that amplifies the seed He has planted within. My parents were Catholic and to say they were stern would be a gross understatement of their application of LAW. Such a stern application that one could not help but feel the weight personally and deeply. So what does this have to do with our topic and our relationship to the Law? It was then and is now an IMPOSSIBILITY to behave yourself into correctness. In fact trying to do so will crush us and destroy our esteem an injure us sometimes deeply even mortally. So during this duress I finally picked up another book that had been sitting on the table in front of me the whole time I was in the basement exploring ideas and differing perspectives, it was our family Bible. So quite depressed and beaten I opened it. When I did The Bible opened right at Mathew 5 ( The Beatitudes ) and I read this ( You have heard it said ) Immediately I understood fully that right and wrong are not rules and for their simple obedience. Sin is not that. Sin is sin because it offends Love itself. If a thing cannot stand in Love's presence without offending Love it is sin no matter what it is. Love is above the rules and is in fact the true foundation of the rules. So lets consider this deeply ( GOD IS LOVE ). I will leave out a reference to the First Commandment but I am introducing it's meaning and depth at the same time.

I'm going to go further and jump into some of the substance of the term Faith. I'm going to do it only with a questioning statement meant only for personal exploration of the concept. So here goes. Life is in our questions and as are all questions asked in humility. But death immediately inhabits the answers the moment we stand on them. All of science and human progress demonstrates this condition as real and true or as Jesus puts it before the pharisees ( Because you say you know your sin remains ) There is an awful lot to all of this but it is well worth examination and exploration. Thanks for your time and interest MedicBrovo. It is good to talk, good to care, good to Love and good to pray. So grateful for your conversation. The ultimate destination of it all is prayer and praise. In the life of the faithful that checks all the boxes our limited reasoning can rightly ascend to. Before these facts that I know to be true who am I? Who can I ever be before THESE RULES and LAWS founded on Love's perfect expression? The Spirit of the question is my right place not the spirit of the answers that are always cheap and easy compared to The Spirit of Jesus Christ.
Given the topic at hand, all of that has very little to do with their agenda.
 
"Jesus never mentioned the word gay or any reference to it or the action ever." Untrue.
We don't know every single word He said. We do know God's stance on all sins and b/c "Jesus IS God" therefore He has spoken on it. Why you and so many make this false argument is laughable.
That's the excuse people who DO support the Alphabet sins always regurgitate.

God set the human standard with Adam and Eve.
One man to one woman. Heterosexuality.
Everything else is a sin, abnormal, evil, disgusting, perverted, depraved, etc.
No book can contain EVERY second of Jesus life let alone anyone, Disciples, their Disciples, etc.
God made the Bible SIMPLE.
BTW I missed the fact that you accused my position as supporting sin and adding to that your own adjective of laughable. What sin is supported and just how is that done by me?
 
Given the topic at hand, all of that has very little to do with their agenda.
I'm not so sure of that. Like a popular Christian song proclaims Love is the armor. The hearts that follow that urging will stay close to the shepherd and avoid the agenda. This one or anyone's.
 
Jesus Christ is more than The Word as you are referencing.

Rev 22:18; I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book;
Rev 22:19; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

It really is that simple.
 
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