The Meaning of Biblical Predestination, which is The Predestination of GOD.

[PloughBoy]

Amen he gives us a new spirit by which we can cry out for mercy.

I would agree wows we make are not binding depending on what we perform.. We have no power of our own to walk by faith

Every word in the Bible has a meaning attached to it. Change the meaning as to the authors intent of one word change the whole meaning of the parable in view .

Jacob, whose name means deceiver “one who grabs the heel of another in a hope of an advantage the first born birthright”,. Esau sold it for a cup of goat soup seeing no value in the unseen spiritual things of God.

Genesis 25:26 And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.

The first born birthright was used to pass down the unseen spiritual seed Christ by which all new creatures are born again after .When the veil was rent at the time of the first century reformation the need for the ceremonial law or shadow had become fulfilled. The rent veil signaled the circumcision the sign.

Genesis 28: 20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on,

Jacob not prompted by the Spirit of Christ vowed a vow. God does not except vows coming from mankind they have no way to keep it .

Jacobs name was changed to represent new born again creeature. Previously called Jacob the deceiver again one that did wrestles like all of mankind against flesh and blood (the temporal things seen) Jacob was given the power of new born again life. Having power with God he could overcome the things of the flesh

The gospel in the parable below

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Chapter 35 confirms the born again name change

Genesis 35:9 And God appeared unto Jacob again, when he came out of Padanaram, and blessed him And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.

It is the same born again principle using the new name that the father named his bride the church . Christian, formally we were signified as Jacob deceiver under the spirit of the god of this world.

In that way all Israel was not Israel, some the name Jacob applied to as outward Jew they were not converted.

I do understand you concept and your approach of Religious study, But if you notice my approach concerning this particular event is not a Religious study. But "Theology Proper". So in this, i stayed within the "conpounds of The Text". And the "Focus" is one thing. My field of study is not "Religious study" but The Field of "Theology Proper" that is why many christians have a problem with us of this caliber of revealed study and how we approach "Scripture" and it is impossible for us to be "unsystematic" in our approach to the " Original Copied Manuscript" that has been translated into "The common mans language called the Bible in which most of us love, which is a Gift from GOD. And its explanation has been distored by many.

My approach to this particular text was "Theological" not "christological" or an "Religious studies" approach. So in essence my desires was to stay within the "Compounds" to reveal a "TRUTH"! And not a mutitudes of truths with a host of avenues that has many side streets of truths, inwhich many have not the patience neither the williness to investigate those roads. They rather go to birthday parties, vacation cruises, dinner parties, entertaiment centers, Sports arena's, and ladies night on the town, and the next morning serve as servers in the soup kitchen and be well done.
And now we have the "critics" of " systematic theology" and "Expository preaching" as a waste of time and really have no "Religious value" to the common man.

Many do not understand the Studying of "The Word of GOD" rightly is an"ART"! Like no other. "Masterpiece". Magnum opus or chef-d' oeuvre! But many only considers it words to be read only to be quoted and not cherish and to be skilled in with the "fare of love" beyond all loves. And always has the "enchantment of its allure"

 

[JerryfromMass]

You said the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are God. That's three not one.


How does one raise oneself from the dead?

Who was the eternal Son with in the beginning?

If the Son is eternal, who was begotten?

 

[JerryfromMass]

I understand you believe in the Triune Godhead. But, then you tell me there are three Gods. You say the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are God. That's three not one.

I know what He said. What I asked you is how does one raise oneself from the dead?

Who was the eternal Son with in the beginning?

If the Son was eternal, who was begotten?

Go read my previous messages for my positions on all the questions you keep asking. If you are not satisfied, there's nothing more I can do for you but pray.

 

[JerryfromMass]

Go read my previous messages for my positions on all the questions you keep asking. If you are not satisfied, there's nothing more I can do for you but pray.

I never said there are three Gods; you keep saying three Gods because you don't believe in the Trinity.

 

[JerryfromMass]

I understand you believe in the Triune Godhead. But, then you tell me there are three Gods. You say the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are God. That's three not one.

I know what He said. What I asked you is how does one raise oneself from the dead?

Who was the eternal Son with in the beginning?

If the Son was eternal, who was begotten?

I never said there are three Gods; you keep saying three Gods because you don't believe in the Trinity.

 

[Butch5]

I never said there are three Gods; you keep saying three Gods because you don't believe in the Trinity.

You said, the Father is God, as is the Son and the Holy Spirit. That's three. If all are God how is that not three Gods?

You didnt answer the questions. One was the first time I asked. If the Son is eternal, who was begotten?

If you can't answer that's fine, please just say you can't answer. I don't really expect an answer because there really isn't one.

But, we've really gotten away from the subject of Jesus being in the form of God and emptying Himself.

 

[JerryfromMass]

You said, the Father is God, as is the Son and the Holy Spirit. That's three. If all are God how is that not three Gods?

You didnt answer the questions. One was the first time I asked. If the Son is eternal, who was begotten?

If you can't answer that's fine, please just say you can't answer. I don't really expect an answer because there really isn't one.

But, we've really gotten away from the subject of Jesus being in the form of God and emptying Himself.

Father is God, Son is God, and Holy Spirit is God, they are not three Gods but three coeternal persons that make up the nature one Godhead. Sorry if you don't understand the Trinity. Perhaps do an independent search for your own edification if my explanation isn't enough for you.

God the Son is eternal and is the Word. Read John 1 for your edification on the Son's eternal nature.

God the Son was supernaturally placed in the womb of the virgin Mary by the power of the Holy Spirit where God the eternal Son was conceived in human form, went through the gestational process and was born a living human being: Emmanuel- God incarnate, God with us.

If you don't believe in the Trinity or the miraculous virgin birth and that Jesus was fully God and fully human at the same time. I'm not going to convince you and change you from your unbelief, that's what the power of God will do if you repent.

 

[Butch5]

Father is God, Son is God, and Holy Spirit is God, they are not three Gods but three coeternal persons that make up the nature one Godhead. Sorry if you don't understand the Trinity. Perhaps do an independent search for your own edification if my explanation isn't enough for you.

God the Son is eternal and is the Word. Read John 1 for your edification on the Son's eternal nature.

God the Son was supernaturally placed in the womb of the virgin Mary by the power of the Holy Spirit where God the eternal Son was conceived in human form, went through the gestational process and was born a living human being: Emmanuel- God incarnate, God with us.

If you don't believe in the Trinity or the miraculous virgin birth and that Jesus was fully God and fully human at the same time. I'm not going to convince you and change you from your unbelief, that's what the power of God will do if you repent.

I understand the Trinity doctrine. It's a 5th century doctrine found codified in the Athanasian Creed. The problem is that it doesn't fit with Scripture.

There's a problem with your answer about the Son. Paul said He was the first born of creation. That means before Adam

 

[PloughBoy]

Ok guys, we have strayed away enough, It is time to return to the Title Thread. If you want to discuss "the Father , the Son and The Holy Ghost" or other topics be kind enough to start another Thread. we have stray enough. Bring this "high Jacking" to a halt.

 

[JerryfromMass]

I understand the Trinity doctrine. It's a 5th century doctrine found codified in the Athanasian Creed. The problem is that it doesn't fit with Scripture.

There's a problem with your answer about the Son. Paul said He was the first born of creation. That means before Adam

Okay. Go with that. As long as your faith is in Jesus for the forgiveness of your sin and your salvation, remain on the narrow way.

 

[Garee]

I do understand you concept and your approach of Religious study, But if you notice my approach concerning this particular event is not a Religious study. But "Theology Proper". So in this, i stayed within the "conpounds of The Text". And the "Focus" is one thing. My field of study is not "Religious study" but The Field of "Theology Proper" that is why many christians have a problem with us of this caliber of revealed study and how we approach "Scripture" and it is impossible for us to be "unsystematic" in our approach to the " Original Copied Manuscript" that has been translated into "The common mans language called the Bible in which most of us love, which is a Gift from GOD. And its explanation has been distored by many

Hi thanks I agree with most .But would ask. . why the division calling one a religious study and another a proper theology study. It would seem to be all one approach ? Studying the religion God sets his approval on. Not as the world looking to the temporal things seen but more of the golden measure the rule of faith .

 

[Garee]

If you believe that which you wrote about Jesus, you are an antichrist.

I beleive what he said "not as I will, but as thou wilt." the promised demonstration a work of faith as a labor of love of two according to Isaiah 53 .The Father striking the Son the Son crying out for strength over and over until the will of the father is complete..

The Son of man Jesus emptied himself of false pride .

 

[JerryfromMass]

I beleive what he said "not as I will, but as thou wilt." the promised demonstration a work of faith as a labor of love of two according to Isaiah 53 .The Father striking the Son the Son crying out for strength over and over until the will of the father is complete..

The Son of man Jesus emptied himself of false pride .

Yeah, no.

 

[Garee]

Yeah, no.

Which one?

Not as I will but Yeah as you the one with the power to create a new wills .