The Meaning of Biblical Predestination, which is The Predestination of GOD.

[JerryfromMass]

That's what the Scriptures say. Anything else is opinion

Luke 24:30When he was at table with them, he took the bread and blessed and broke it and gave it to them. 31And their eyes were opened, and they recognized him. And he vanished from their sight."

Your opinion is that Jesus had help revealing himself then disappearing. You are weak-minded and not agreeing with God's word.

 

[Butch5]

Luke 24:30When he was at table with them, he took the bread and blessed and broke it and gave it to them. 31And their eyes were opened, and they recognized him. And he vanished from their sight."

Your opinion is that Jesus had help revealing himself then disappearing. You are weak-minded and not agreeing with God's word.

And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him. (Gen. 5:24 KJV)

39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. (Acts 8:39 KJV)

 

[JerryfromMass]

And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him. (Gen. 5:24 KJV)

39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. (Acts 8:39 KJV)

Both men were fully human. Jesus is God incarnate: fully human and fully God. If you think otherwise, you are weak-minded.

 

[Butch5]

Both men were fully human. Jesus is God incarnate: fully human and fully God. If you think otherwise, you are weak-minded.

Read the Scripture again. He was in the form of God, but emptied Himself and took the form of man. It's pretty clear that He is human.

 

[Butch5]

(Luke 24)
After his Resurrection he did disappeared after the conversation of the Two he spoke too when he was on the road to Emmaus. At the Tavern, If i remember correctly
John 20:19
When the doors was locked he appeared.
(John 20:26)
New American Standard Bible
Eight days later His disciples were again inside, and Thomas was with them. Jesus came, the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst and said, “Peace be to you.”


So maybe this is one where many may contribute him walking through walls>

Which is the greatest; walking through walls or just "Teleporting" from one play to another! Both!

I have no doubt this is what they were referring to when they said He could walk through walls. I simply wanted them to post it so I could point out that the passage says nothing of Jesus walking through walls. I think it's clear that if Jesus is a man as Scripture says then it had to be the Father through the Spirit that did these things. Just as we see with Enoch and Phillip

 

[PloughBoy]

I have no doubt this is what they were referring to when they said He could walk through walls. I simply wanted them to post it so I could point out that the passage says nothing of Jesus walking through walls. I think it's clear that if Jesus is a man as Scripture says then it had to be the Father through the Spirit that did these things. Just as we see with Enoch and Phillip

And since Jesus was 100 percent Man and 100 percent Deity He operated in the commands of HIS Father. He never did or say anything unless His Father commanded Him to do so. I don't think anything in the Bible said or proclaim He walked through a wall, not saying he couldn't by Divine command. But he sure can "Teleport"

 

[Butch5]

And since Jesus was 100 percent Man and 100 percent Deity He operated in the commands of HIS Father. He never did or say anything unless His Father commanded Him to do so. I don't think anything in the Bible said or proclaim He walked through a wall, not saying he couldn't by Divine command. But he sure can "Teleport"

How does a man do that?

 

[B-A-C]

John 20:26; And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, "Peace to you!"

 

[JerryfromMass]

Read the Scripture again. He was in the form of God, but emptied Himself and took the form of man. It's pretty clear that He is human.

Yes, fully human AND fully God all at once.

 

[Butch5]

Yes, fully human AND fully God all at once.

Don't you believe Paul?

 

[JerryfromMass]

Don't you believe Paul?

Yes, of course. Paul was taught by Jesus and wrote by inspiration of the Holy Spirit about Jesus being both man and God. For example: in Titus 2:13 "Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ," and in Colossians 2:9 "For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,", and in Colossians 1:15 "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation."

Also in 1 Timothy 3:16 "Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory." And Matthew, too: Matthew 1:23 “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (which means, God with us)."

GOD WITH US, a baby, a virgin born baby by the power of God the Holy Spirit. God became flesh.

 

[Butch5]

Yes, of course. Paul was taught by Jesus and wrote by inspiration of the Holy Spirit about Jesus being both man and God. For example: in Titus 2:13 "Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ," and in Colossians 2:9 "For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,", and in Colossians 1:15 "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation."

Also in 1 Timothy 3:16 "Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory." And Matthew, too: Matthew 1:23 “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (which means, God with us)."

GOD WITH US, a baby, a virgin born baby by the power of God the Holy Spirit. God became flesh.

You forgot one. Christ being in the form of God emptied Himself and took on the form of man. So, it seems to me you may want to reconsider your understanding of the word God.

 

[JerryfromMass]

You forgot one. Christ being in the form of God emptied Himself and took on the form of man. So, it seems to me you may want to reconsider your understanding of the word God.

Yes, Jesus, God the Son, left His eternal place in Heaven and became human, all the while maintaining His divine nature. Thank you for pointing that one out. ❤

 

[Butch5]

Yes, Jesus, God the Son, left His eternal place in Heaven and became human, all the while maintaining His divine nature. Thank you for pointing that one out. ❤

Being in the form of God He emptied Himself.

 

[JerryfromMass]

Being in the form of God He emptied Himself.

Emptied Himself of what?

Jesus was the eternal God who became human: "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God." John 1:1.

"And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth " John 1:14.

 

[Garee]

And Do we remember in "Genesis" The 28 Chapter, When Jacob Gave GOD, an "Ultimatum" If this GOD met his conditions, then this God would be his GOD! "The God of Abraham and Isaac" and only then will this GOD be his GOD! This was a "VOW" that Jacob made. Now to all of you "Bible Scholars" and readers who have read the "BOOK", did GOD honor The "VOW" that Jacob demanded and did Jacob do everything that he "Vowed" to do in honoring GOD as you finish reading The STORY about The Relationship between "GOD and JACOB", since you claim you have read "THE BOOK"! And please don't lie. For by your answers and "tap dancing" I will know, if you have told an Out right Lie, to your Brothers and Sisters in "Christ Jesus"

If you don't know, say I don't know. Or, I miss that one. Here is a clue, I will help you out. "Jacob never paid a Tithe to GOD

PS "Now what this have to do with "Predestination" Everything.

(GENESIS 28)
1Then Isaac called Jacob and blessed him and directed him, “You must not take a wife from the Canaanite women. 2Arise, go to Paddan-aram to the house of Bethuel your mother’s father, and take as your wife from there one of the daughters of Laban your mother’s brother. 3God Almightya bless you and make you fruitful and multiply you, that you may become a company of peoples. 4May he give the blessing of Abraham to you and to your offspring with you, that you may take possession of the land of your sojournings that God gave to Abraham!” 5Thus Isaac sent Jacob away. And he went to Paddan-aram, to Laban, the son of Bethuel the Aramean, the brother of Rebekah, Jacob’s and Esau’s mother.

Esau Marries an Ishmaelite

6Now Esau saw that Isaac had blessed Jacob and sent him away to Paddan-aram to take a wife from there, and that as he blessed him he directed him, “You must not take a wife from the Canaanite women,” 7and that Jacob had obeyed his father and his mother and gone to Paddan-aram. 8So when Esau saw that the Canaanite women did not please Isaac his father, 9Esau went to Ishmael and took as his wife, besides the wives he had, Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael, Abraham’s son, the sister of Nebaioth.

Jacob’s Dream

10Jacob left Beersheba and went toward Haran. 11And he came to a certain place and stayed there that night, because the sun had set. Taking one of the stones of the place, he put it under his head and lay down in that place to sleep. 12And he dreamed, and behold, there was a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven. And behold, the angels of God were ascending and descending on it! 13And behold, the LORD stood above itc and said, “I am the LORD, the God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac. The land on which you lie I will give to you and to your offspring. 14Your offspring shall be like the dust of the earth, and you shall spread abroad to the west and to the east and to the north and to the south, and in you and your offspring shall all the families of the earth be blessed. 15Behold, I am with you and will keep you wherever you go, and will bring you back to this land. For I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you.” 16 THEN JACOB WOKE UP from his sleep and said, “Surely the LORD is in this place, and I did not know it.” 17And he was afraid and said, “How awesome is this place! This is none other than the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven.”

18So early in the morning Jacob took the stone that he had put under his head and set it up for a pillar and poured oil on the top of it. 19He called the name of that place Bethel, but the name of the city was Luz at the first. 20THEN JACOB MADE A VOW, saying, “If" .......God will be with me AND will keep me in this way that I go, AND will give me bread to eat AND clothing to wear, 21SO THAT I come again to my father’s house in peace, "THEN" the LORD shall be my God, 22AND this stone, which I have set up for a pillar, shall be God’s house. AND of all that you GIVE ME I will give a "FULL TITHE" to YOU.”

You don't make deals with GOD! How can a lump of Clay make a deal with a "GOD"! Have we lost our minds? 1. We don't know who we are 2. We don't know who GOD is. If we think we can.


NOW, THROUGHOUT, the Biblical story of GOD's relationship with JACOB's DID GOD Meet "JACOB"S Conditions! " For this is not a Minstrel show" Tap Dancing is not Allowed" For GOD told Jacob what HE was going to do, Before Jacob said Anything! And GOD had NO, conditions!

For It had already been "Predestinated" "before The Foundations of The World" For there is a difference in the view of mankind, concerning "Predestination" and "The Predestination of GOD" Why, ..........Because........ HE is, "GOD"

PS.
(Romans 9)NASB
"Just as it is written: “JACOB I HAVE LOVED, BUT ESAU I HAVE HATED.”

What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? Far from it! For He says to Moses, “I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOMEVER I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL SHOW COMPASSION TO WHOMEVER I SHOW COMPASSION.” So then, it does not depend on the person who wants it nor the one who runs, but on God who has mercy."

Now, Does GOD, loves, everybody and we know, HE cannot lie.

Are you crying yet? for the MERCY That HE HAS POURED On You.

Amen he gives us a new spirit by which we can cry out for mercy.

I would agree wows we make are not binding depending on what we perform.. We have no power of our own to walk by faith

Every word in the Bible has a meaning attached to it. Change the meaning as to the authors intent of one word change the whole meaning of the parable in view .

Jacob, whose name means deceiver “one who grabs the heel of another in a hope of an advantage the first born birthright”,. Esau sold it for a cup of goat soup seeing no value in the unseen spiritual things of God.

Genesis 25:26 And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.

The first born birthright was used to pass down the unseen spiritual seed Christ by which all new creatures are born again after .When the veil was rent at the time of the first century reformation the need for the ceremonial law or shadow had become fulfilled. The rent veil signaled the circumcision the sign.

Genesis 28: 20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on,

Jacob not prompted by the Spirit of Christ vowed a vow. God does not except vows coming from mankind they have no way to keep it .

Jacobs name was changed to represent new born again creeature. Previously called Jacob the deceiver again one that did wrestles like all of mankind against flesh and blood (the temporal things seen) Jacob was given the power of new born again life. Having power with God he could overcome the things of the flesh

The gospel in the parable below

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Chapter 35 confirms the born again name change

Genesis 35:9 And God appeared unto Jacob again, when he came out of Padanaram, and blessed him And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.

It is the same born again principle using the new name that the father named his bride the church . Christian, formally we were signified as Jacob deceiver under the spirit of the god of this world.

In that way all Israel was not Israel, some the name Jacob applied to as outward Jew they were not converted.

 

[Garee]

Emptied Himself of what?

Jesus was the eternal God who became human: "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God." John 1:1.

"And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth " John 1:14.

God is not a man he did not become human he gave power to humans to believe Him not seen .

The Son of man Jesus emptied himself of false pride .

Matthew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

 

[JerryfromMass]

God is not a man he did not become human he gave power to humans to believe Him not seen .

The Son of man Jesus emptied himself of false pride .

Matthew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

If you believe that which you wrote about Jesus, you are an antichrist.

 

[Butch5]

Emptied Himself of what?

Jesus was the eternal God who became human: "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God." John 1:1.

"And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth " John 1:14.

Being in the form of God, He emptied Himself. Obviously He emptied Himself of the form of God.

If He was the eternal God who was He with?

 

[JerryfromMass]

Obviously He emptied Himself of the form of God.

Really? If it's as you say, "obvious", where Is it written explicitly that the only conclusion one can come to because it is so obvious that Jesus, who is God, stopped being God when He took on human form. Remember: EXPLICITLY.