The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !

[Rhema]

God's love is Agape Love. God Unconditionally loves all people, but hates sin. I am telling you the truth.

He loves them for what he can make them to be.

 

[Foghorn]

But it does say God loves those who obey Him and keep His commandments.

but what does that have to do with esau?

 

[Brightfame52]

You still don't understand that the word "nation" means "race," and that Deuteronomy was written to the JEWS.

You're not Jewish, are you? CONFESS !!! So how can you culturally appropriate that verse to yourself? (I mean other than mental instability...) Why do you think that Deuteronomy, a text written to the JEWS applies to you? It's a valid question, and one for which I'm pretty sure you have no answer. (Or any sensible answer.)

Explain away....

Rhema

Dont get caught up with race, God is no respect of persons based on race !

 

[Brightfame52]

You are an EXPERT at dodging a question.

Dodging - Noun. deliberately avoiding; keeping away from or preventing from happening. synonyms: avoidance, shunning, turning away.

Question to Brightfame - Cherry picking some is partiality and partiality is wicked, explain to me how it is not!! Explain why YOU teach it when Job said this ''Job 34:12 it is UNTHINKABLE that God would do what is wicked'' and David said ''Psalm 145:17 God is righteous in ALL HIS WAYS.......Go, the floor is YOURS.....

More dodge INCOMING, everyone get your popcorn!!

You still dont know what debating is.

 

[Brightfame52]

HA... you would try to teach ME Greek?

How precious.
How precocious.

Well @Brightfame52, your definition of "periousios" is certainly peculiar.

From the Cambridge Greek Lexicon
G4041 περιούσιος -periousios:

1. that which is left over or is in surplus; surplus, abundance; sufficient residue (of troops); excess​

2. (generally) affluence, luxury, excess, profit​

3. (as a prepositional phrase) from a position of affluence or advantage​

4 survival, continued independence (of a territory)​

Might you understand that your understanding is limited (hobbled even) by poor and inaccurate resources? (Like "Strong's")

ος (WHO) εδωκεν (DEVOTED) εαυτον (HIMSELF) υπερ (ON BEHALF) ημων (OF US) ινα (IN ORDER THAT) λυτρωσηται (HE MIGHT RELEASE) ημας (US) απο (FROM) πασης (ALL) ανομιας (SIN) και (AND) καθαριση (PRUNE AWAY) εαυτω (TO HIMSELF) λαον (A CROP) περιουσιον (ABUNDANT) ζηλωτην (BLESSED) καλων (OF GOOD) εργων (WORKS)​

(Titus 2:14 GRK)

... AND PRUNE AWAY TO HIMSELF AN ABUNDANT CROP BLESSED OF GOOD WORKS....​

And you have now backed me into a corner, whereby I must inform you that you need to be RELEASED FROM your SIN of wanting to be something special above all others and exalting yourself as an "elect." Isn't God's love for you enough? (It should be.) But you post DIVISION, which is not to be found in a crop of good works.

Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.​

(Luke 18:10-14 KJV)

And just to be clear, you're the Pharisee here.

May God clear your misguided thoughts.

Lord have Mercy,
Rhema



@Christ4Ever

Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

The word peculiar periousios:
that which is one's own, belonging to one's possessions

1. a people selected by God from the other nations for his own possession

This is the church, all different races !

 

[KingJ]

You still dont know what debating is.

You are being silly now. I stated that there is a site that does formal debates. Example, Trump vs Harris. Imagine you were Harris and your reply to a question asked to you about the border was '''Google says this is not a debate, I don't need to answer you''.

I can imagine her saying that, now how do you feel about the fact that you are 'debating' like Harris would?

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You are an EXPERT at dodging a question.

Dodging - Noun. deliberately avoiding; keeping away from or preventing from happening. synonyms: avoidance, shunning, turning away.

Question - Cherry picking some is partiality and partiality is wicked, explain to me how it is not!! Explain why YOU teach it when Job said this ''Job 34:12 it is UNTHINKABLE that God would do what is wicked'' and David said ''Psalm 145:17 God is righteous in ALL HIS WAYS.......Go, the floor is YOURS.....

More dodge INCOMING, everyone get your popcorn!!

 

[Rhema]

Dont get caught up with race, God is no respect of persons based on race !

You truly do NOT understand Jew / Gentile in the OT.

(Just like a goyim .)

Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Repeating nonsense, does not make it any less nonsensical.
Repeating text from a BAD translation, does not make it any less bad a translation.
You want to reject how scripture really should read in English, unto your faith, so be it.

Rhema

 

[Brightfame52]

If God Loved all men without exception, whats the Point of Jesus telling His disciples this ? Jn 14:21

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

If God already Loved everyone in the world without exception, then this statement by Christ was a waste of time, and not really meaningful, since all who are in the world breaking God's commandments are Loved too.

 

[Brightfame52]

You are being silly now. I stated that there is a site that does formal debates. Example, Trump vs Harris. Imagine you were Harris and your reply to a question asked to you about the border was '''Google says this is not a debate, I don't need to answer you''.

I can imagine her saying that, now how do you feel about the fact that you are 'debating' like Harris would?

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You are an EXPERT at dodging a question.

Dodging - Noun. deliberately avoiding; keeping away from or preventing from happening. synonyms: avoidance, shunning, turning away.

Question - Cherry picking some is partiality and partiality is wicked, explain to me how it is not!! Explain why YOU teach it when Job said this ''Job 34:12 it is UNTHINKABLE that God would do what is wicked'' and David said ''Psalm 145:17 God is righteous in ALL HIS WAYS.......Go, the floor is YOURS.....

More dodge INCOMING, everyone get your popcorn!!

You still dont know what debating is.

 

[Brightfame52]

You truly do NOT understand Jew / Gentile in the OT.

(Just like a goyim .)


Repeating nonsense, does not make it any less nonsensical.
Repeating text from a BAD translation, does not make it any less bad a translation.
You want to reject how scripture really should read in English, unto your faith, so be it.

Rhema

Dont get caught up with race, God is no respect of persons based on race ! The People Jesus came to save goes beyond ethnicity Rev 5:9

9;And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

[Rhema]

If God Loved all men without exception, whats the Point of Jesus telling His disciples this ? Jn 14:21

Because the disciples, like you, thought God only loved the Jews (the "chosen ones").

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.​

(John 14:21 KJV)

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.​

(Matthew 28:19-20 KJV)

While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.​

(Acts 10:44-45 KJV)

Obviously, nobody has Jesus commandments (John 14:21) unless they're given Jesus commandments (Mat 28:20) and what's the purpose of commanding the Disciples to GO and teach ALL nations (Mat 28:19) if only a select few people (predetermined before creation began) could keep them?

ALL means everybody, not your little select chosen elite.

If God already Loved everyone in the world without exception, then this statement by Christ was a waste of time, and not really meaningful, since all who are in the world breaking God's commandments are Loved too.

You're confusing the hope of salvation with actual salvation itself. The Love of God in Hope for the sinner to turn and repent is not the same Love of God for those who have done so.

Now you've already been asked what the purpose is for your single minded screeds trying to prove that God hates people and that God created these people in order for Him to hate them. Are you hoping others can show you where your thinking is confuddled? (It's not just in one point.) Are you trying to pull in converts to your confuddled thinking? It won't work.

Your only supporter here on the forum is the older gay guy wanting to prove that a man lying with a male as with a woman is NOT sin.

The end goal is you trying to evangelize to the world that GOD HATES, with a capricious HATE, creating people from the beginning so that he CAN hate them.

Maybe all this is to justify your hatred of others outside of your "elect" tribe?

May God have mercy on you,
Rhema

 

[Brightfame52]

@Rhema

Because the disciples, like you, thought God only loved the Jews (the "chosen ones").

He does only Love the chosen ones, they just arent all ethnic jews, they are people of all nations chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

 

[B-A-C]

@Rhema


He does only Love the chosen ones, they just arent all ethnic jews, they are people of all nations chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Using this logic, only Christians in Ephesus are chosen.

Eph 1:1 This letter is from Paul, chosen by the will of God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus. I am writing to God’s holy people in Ephesus, who are faithful followers of Christ Jesus.
Eph 1:2 May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
Spiritual Blessings in Christ
Eph 1:3 All praise to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms because we are united with Christ.
Eph 1:4 Even before he made the world, God loved us and chose us in Christ to be holy and without fault in his eyes.

 

[Rhema]

@Rhema



He does only Love the chosen ones, they just arent all ethnic jews, they are people of all nations chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Why do you think "before" means "prior to" as opposed to "in front of" (an object)? The word foundation is a noun - an object. Your house sits on a foundation.

And the text says FOUNDATION, but you read it as a verb-event FOUNDING. The text does not say, "prior to the founding of the world." It says "in front of the foundation.." and who is your foundation?

Now if you misinterpret "before" to mean "prior to," you'll misunderstand the rest of the passage.

I'd explain, but you have no ears to hear, being rather fixated on your (mis)interpretation, so there's no reason for me to waste my time.

Kindly,
Rhema

 

[Brightfame52]

@B-A-C

Using this logic, only Christians in Ephesus are chosen.

You entitled to your opinion

 

[Brightfame52]

Why do you think "before" means "prior to" as opposed to "in front of" (an object)? The word foundation is a noun - an object. Your house sits on a foundation.

And the text says FOUNDATION, but you read it as a verb-event FOUNDING. The text does not say, "prior to the founding of the world." It says "in front of the foundation.." and who is your foundation?

Now if you misinterpret "before" to mean "prior to," you'll misunderstand the rest of the passage.

I'd explain, but you have no ears to hear, being rather fixated on your (mis)interpretation, so there's no reason for me to waste my time.

Kindly,
Rhema

Why ask me what I think ? I think what I posted duh

 

[Curtis]

1Jn 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

God loves all men and his sacrifice was enough to cover all sin if a man places his faith in Jesus.

Mat 5:45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

God loves all men and He shows it by allowing the sun to shine upon the just and the unjust.

 

[Rhema]

Why ask me what I think ? I think what I posted duh

My apologies. I thought you could at least understand questions. I stand corrected.

 

[Brightfame52]

If God Loved all men without exception, Christ words in Jn 14:21,23 are meaningless which are:

Jn 14:21,23

21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Again, if God loved all men without exception, that means that even though men do not Love and obey Christ can be assured of the Fathers Love, as indicated in Jn 3:16

 

[Brightfame52]

@Curtis

1Jn 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

Thats the saved elect from allover the world. If Christ is one propitiation,they are saved and safe forever, and loved.