The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !

[KingJ]

I already have, read my posts

You have not.

I wish I could get you in a cage and everyone would throw a tomato at you every time you dodged.

Your only lines are:

1. Not only is this God showing respect of persons, its the occasion for the sinner to boast , they were more wiser, less rebellious than than others who dont choose God.

2. Yet its true. He chooses one over another based upon some quality one had the other didnt.

1. If it is up to the individual THERE IS NO RESPECT OF PERSONS...duh????????

You BELIEVE God cherry picks individuals, THAT IS 10000% RESPECT OF PERSONS. How is it not?

2. Oh no, you don't get to quote a NON Calvinistic line and call it your own. Nice to see you need to dump Calvinism to defend it.

Calvinists TEACH that God PLACED the necessary 'quality' in the individual prior to selection.

 

[Brightfame52]

God predestined those whom he forknew would choose him.

Again if this was true,it would mean that man in his natural sinful condition isn't dead in sin and dead spiritually to God and in that condition without hope. However Gods view of man is documented Rom 3:9-11ff

9What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Can man choose what he doesnt understand ?

12They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. [Choosing God would be doing Good]

13Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

14Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15Their feet are swift to shed blood:

16Destruction and misery are in their ways:

17;And the way of peace have they not known:

18;There is no fear of God before their eyes.

19;Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

 

[B-A-C]

Rom 3:9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin;
Rom 3:10 as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;
Rom 3:11 THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD;
Rom 3:12 ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."
Rom 3:13 "THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN GRAVE, WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY KEEP DECEIVING," "THE POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS";
Rom 3:14 "WHOSE MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS";
Rom 3:15 "THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD,
Rom 3:16 DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR PATHS,
Rom 3:17 AND THE PATH OF PEACE THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN."
Rom 3:18 "THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES."

If you put this passage in context, it's saying both Jews and Gentiles are under sin. This passage is a quote from Isa 59.
That passage ends with this verse.

Isa 59:13 Transgressing and denying the LORD, And turning away from our God, Speaking oppression and revolt, Conceiving in and uttering from the heart lying words.

Some key in on the verse that says no one seeks after God, but notice the next verse says they have "turned aside".
This means they already knew God, then they turned aside from Him, and seek Him no more.

Acts 17:27 that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;

Isa 55:6 Seek the LORD while He may be found; Call upon Him while He is near.

Luke 11:9 "So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.

Acts 15:16 'AFTER THESE THINGS I will return, AND I WILL REBUILD THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID WHICH HAS FALLEN, AND I WILL REBUILD ITS RUINS, AND I WILL RESTORE IT,
Acts 15:17 SO THAT THE REST OF MANKIND MAY SEEK THE LORD, AND ALL THE GENTILES WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME,'
Acts 15:18 SAYS THE LORD, WHO MAKES THESE THINGS KNOWN FROM LONG AGO.

Heb 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.
Isa 58:2 "Yet they seek Me day by day and delight to know My ways, As a nation that has done righteousness And has not forsaken the ordinance of their God. They ask Me for just decisions, They delight in the nearness of God.

Hosea 3:5 Afterward the sons of Israel will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king; and they will come trembling to the LORD and to His goodness in the last days.
Isa 45:22 "Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth; For I am God, and there is no other.

 

[Curtis]

Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age,

 

[KingJ]

I wish we had a better caliber of Clavinists here. @Brightfame52 and @Dylan569 are the most evasive and cringe posters I have ever engaged with on this subject.

If they can't answer or deal with valid issues raised they dance, run, act ignorant and keep posting their gunk. 100% popcorn chat.

I honestly believe we all waste our time with them. They are not here for discussion. Mods should close their threads. It is a cancer on this site. Especially at this level of non existent discussion from them.

 

[Curtis]

2Th 2:9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,
2Th 2:10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

It appears some who have been chosen for salvation refused to love the truth and so be saved.

 

[Brightfame52]

Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age,

Thats the elect

 

[Rhema]

Thats the elect

All men are the elect....

 

[KingJ]

Thats the elect

747 posts of this nonsense. I cannot believe you are still here trolling this site.

 

[Brightfame52]

Now them He called or named He also Justified, observe Rom 8:29

Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Now remember, we are following the thought that God Loved all mankind without exception. And since He supposedly did, then He must have in Love Predestinated all mankind without exception unto the adoption of Children as stated in Eph 1:4-5

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Now, with that connection, All whom He predestinated He foreknew Paul says in Rom 8:

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

So we arrive at our next step in God's predestination to them He loved, and that is them He Justified. So according to them who teach God Loved all men without exception, to be consistent, then they must believe and teach all men without exception are Justified before God. The word Justified is the greek word dikaioō and means:


to render righteous or such he ought to be

2) to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered

3) to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

It means to be declared righteous.

So everyone because God Loved them, are declared righteous, there should not be one unrighteous person of all mankind according to this view. Everyone is righteous, or else God's predestination is a farce and failure. 2

 

[Brightfame52]

All men are the elect....

In that scripture yes, and in any scripture about salvation

 

[B-A-C]

In that scripture yes, and in any scripture about salvation

@Brightfame52 posted this? Are you feeling OK?

Good for you!

 

[KingJ]

observe Rom 8:29

Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

To them that repent - Psalm 51:17
To them that serve - James 1:27
To them that die as martyrs - Rev 2:10

Thinking the ''them'' is YOU just because your name is Brightfame52 is evidence a narcissistic mental disability, you need to go see a doctor.

Now remember, we are following the thought that God Loved all mankind without exception. And since He supposedly did, then He must have in Love Predestinated all mankind without exception unto the adoption of Children as stated in Eph 1:4-5

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,Now, with that connection, All whom He predestinated He foreknew Paul says in Rom 8:29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. So we arrive at our next step in God's predestination to them He loved, and that is them He Justified. So according to them who teach God Loved all men without exception, to be consistent, then they must believe and teach all men without exception are Justified before God. The word Justified is the greek word dikaioō and means:

to render righteous or such he ought to be

2) to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered

3) to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

It means to be declared righteous.

So everyone because God Loved them, are declared righteous, there should not be one unrighteous person of all mankind according to this view. Everyone is righteous, or else God's predestination is a farce and failure. 2

You are CHERRY PICKING! Rom 8 from the rest of scripture!

Read John 3:19 fifty times for context!

John 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

We, anyone, reject Jesus BECAUSE we love the darkness. Loving the darkness is a choice WE make. It is NOT a given that you hate it. What madness is that?

I am convinced that a self judgment of a 5 point Calvinist before God in fear and trembling Phil 2:12 will reveal a lot of self righteousness!!!! and a love for what it is evil that is looked over and ignored!!

It is IMPOSSIBLE to be saved and NOT KNOW God as one who is love 1 John 4:8 and righteous in ALL HIS WAYS Psalm 145:17 if you hold to a belief that He is partial and cherry picks people for heaven!!! IMPOSSIBLE!!!

 

[Rhema]

evidence a narcissistic mental disability, you need to go see a doctor.

 

[Brightfame52]

To them that repent - Psalm 51:17
To them that serve - James 1:27
To them that die as martyrs - Rev 2:10

Thinking the ''them'' is YOU just because your name is Brightfame52 is evidence a narcissistic mental disability, you need to go see a doctor.




You are CHERRY PICKING! Rom 8 from the rest of scripture!

Read John 3:19 fifty times for context!

John 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

We, anyone, reject Jesus BECAUSE we love the darkness. Loving the darkness is a choice WE make. It is NOT a given that you hate it. What madness is that?

I am convinced that a self judgment of a 5 point Calvinist before God in fear and trembling Phil 2:12 will reveal a lot of self righteousness!!!! and a love for what it is evil that is looked over and ignored!!

It is IMPOSSIBLE to be saved and NOT KNOW God as one who is love 1 John 4:8 and righteous in ALL HIS WAYS Psalm 145:17 if you hold to a belief that He is partial and cherry picks people for heaven!!! IMPOSSIBLE!!!

You just oppose the truth

 

[KingJ]

You just oppose the truth

You seem incapable of rational thought and just can't read anything other than what you are spoon fed at your church.

You FAIL so hard at any sort of interrogation. Please, ask your pastor to come on here and answer the questions you can't. Which is basically all that are asked of you. Literally all.

 

[Brightfame52]

You seem incapable of rational thought and just can't read anything other than what you are spoon fed at your church.

You FAIL so hard at any sort of interrogation. Please, ask your pastor to come on here and answer the questions you can't. Which is basically all that are asked of you. Literally all.

You just oppose the truth thats rational

 

[KingJ]

You just oppose the truth thats rational

I don't think you understand what interrogation is or the point made.

As for rational...LMAO your truth is 10/10 irrational.

You believe EVERYTHING, literally EVERYTHING that has happened, is happening and will happen is God 'going through the motions'. Your first question to God IF you get to heaven will be, ''why not just create me in heaven if I was elected to be with you?''.

You do not get a more irrational and insane belief!

Calvinism is such an evil belief, one that so grossly misrepresents God. I would not be surprised in the slightest to see all its members in hell one-day. That is a rational fact!

 

[Rhema]

Your first question to God IF you get to heaven will be, ''why not just create me in heaven if I was elected to be with you?''.

It's not a bad question.

 

[Brightfame52]

Them he also glorified.

And finally, them that He Justified, them He also Glorified !

Rom 8:30

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Notice that scripture uses the past tense here, them He also glorified. All for whom God Loved have been and will be Glorified. They were glorified first of all when they rose together with their Glorious Head, when He was Glorified after having been raised up from the dead. Remember when Jesus said, speaking of His impending death Lk 24:26

26Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

His Glory was entered into when He sat down at the Right Hand of God after completing the redemption of His People ! Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

This is of that Glory He had with the Father before the world was John 17:5

5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Now, when Christ was raised up to enter into this Glory, all for whom He represented also was raised up together with Him and also made to sit together with Him in heavenly Places Eph 2:6

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

In this connection, lets look at Col 3:1-3

1If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

I made this connection because its vital to the point I am making about those Christ died and rose in behalf of, were raised up with Him above where He sits at the right hand of God, and so do they.

Now in this connection, we should more clearly understand Christ words to Nicodemus John 3:3

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

This word born again is actually being born from above, so it can be read " Except a man be born from above, he cannot see or perceive the Kingdom of God.

Lets look at at a few other translations of this verse !

ISV Jesus replied to him, "Truly, I tell you with certainty, unless a person is born from above he cannot see the kingdom of God."

GWT Jesus replied to Nicodemus, "I can guarantee this truth: No one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above."

YLT Jesus answered and said to him, 'Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born from above, he is not able to see the reign of God;'


Its referring to a New Birth from above !

ESV Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born anew, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

In other words, unless one is born again anew out from above, where Christ and they in Him sit at the Right Hand of God, they cannot see the Kingdom of God.

Yes, to make it plain, only those Glorified together with Christ [Rom 8:30] are being born again anew, being born again requires having been raised up together with Christ at His resurrection and being seated at the Right Hand of God in Heavenly Places Eph 2:6

6And hath raised us up together[Glorified], and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Now, if God Loved all without exception, then all them He Loved have been Glorified together with Him and will be born again from above.

Those of you who insist that God Loved all without exception, are insisting [ though unwittingly] that all without exception shall be born from above where they sit with Christ on God's Right hand, there is no way around it.

But the truly enlightened know better, we know that all without exception were not raised up together with Christ and shall not be born anew from above, and so we rightly conclude, that God did not Love all men without exception ! 2