The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !

[Brightfame52]

Jn 3:16

John 3:16

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The World that God so Loved here in this text, has to be a world Chosen in Christ, and had to have a previous Union with Him or Else, there is another Love of God besides that which He has that is in Christ Jesus Per Rom 8:38-39

38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

God has no Love for any who He does not consider in Christ Jesus. Now Does He consider all without exception in Christ Jesus ? What about the devil and his children, the children of the wicked one as per Matt 13:38

38The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

Are they in that world that God so Loved in Christ Jesus ? 2

 

[Curtis]

Mat 5:44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

God loves His enemies without exception whether good or evil.

 

[Brightfame52]

Mat 5:44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

God loves His enemies without exception whether good or evil.

False, he commands His children to love their enemies, but Hes under no law

 

[Curtis]

False, he commands His children to love their enemies, but Hes under no law

So, you think God tells children to love their enemies but he does not love his enemies.
That is dumb thinking.

 

[Brightfame52]

So, you think God tells children to love their enemies but he does not love his enemies.
That is dumb thinking.

Yes, God tells His Children what to do, but He doesnt tell himself what to do, God follows no laws He makes for His creatures. God tells his children not to kill, but He kills people 1 Sam 2:6

The Lord killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up.

Ex 4 24

And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him, and sought to kill him.

 

[Curtis]

Yes, God tells His Children what to do, but He doesnt tell himself what to do, God follows no laws He makes for His creatures. God tells his children not to kill, but He kills people 1 Sam 2:6

The Lord killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up.

Ex 4 24

And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him, and sought to kill him.

You are wrong, God lives by his own laws, and if you don’t think he does you have no idea who he is.

 

[Brightfame52]

You are wrong, God lives by his own laws, and if you don’t think he does you have no idea who he is.

God isnt under laws, thats Blasphemy

 

[Curtis]

God isnt under laws, thats Blasphemy

The law of God is a mirror of his nature and character.

Good
Holy
Just
Perfect
Not burdensome
Light
Love
Righteous
Pure
Spiritual
Unchangeable
Eternal

Which one is God not?

 

[Rhema]

Which one is God not?

A torturer?

 

[Curtis]

A torturer?

That would be true if God "tortures" anyone (but He does not). People are tortured by their own past decisions they made after discovering the truth of their error(s)

 

[Rhema]

That would be true if God "tortures" anyone (but He does not). People are tortured by their own past decisions they made after discovering the truth of their error(s)

And yet doesn't your God create the place of torture? And doesn't your God establish criteria for who does get tortured?

What's the freakin' difference?

Rhema

 

[KingJ]

@Christ4Ever @Br. Bear @Brightfame52

Hi Mods. Please can I ask that you ensure Brightfame answers the question of how His belief does not portray God as evil in that He is partial to some. If he can't answer that simple question you have a clear heretic. He is dodging this question. Continuing to copy paste posts from the internet that insult, mock and incriminate God.

He denies Acts 10:34 that says God is impartial, all scripture that says God is good and promotes a false god that cherry picks people for heaven, making a complete and utter mockery of the cross and John 3:16. It is pure heresy. It is worse than having a Muslim here posting their gunk.

@Brightfame52 is not here to discuss! He does not deal with points made or questions posed. He trolls them. Completely different case if he was.

 

[Rhema]

That would be true if God "tortures" anyone (but He does not).

To allow torture when one has the power to stop it creates complicity.

You may wish to reconsider your assumption that the soul is immortal. Jesus taught the soul can be killed.

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy (G622) both soul and body in hell.​

(Matthew 10:28 KJV)

G622 ἀπόλλυμι apollumi

A. destroy utterly, kill​

B. cease to exist​

In hell, they will cease to exist.

Rhema

 

[Brightfame52]

Eternal Love for the Reprobate !


John 17:23-24

20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

If God Loved all men without exception, this implies that all men without exception were in a Eternal Union with Christ before the foundation of the world.

This would also mean that the children of the wicked one, the tares as described here Matt 13:38

The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

That they were Eternally Loved and in Union with Christ before the foundation of the world. Such thinking is utter madness and blasphemous.

Its to say that God so Loved the children of devil as He Loved Christ ! 2

 

[Christ4Ever]

Hi Mods. Please can I ask that you ensure Brightfame answers the question of how His belief does not portray God as evil in that He is partial to some.

Dear KingJ,
I am speaking only for myself here, but we do not force anyone to answer every question asked of them. As this topic has generated considerable debate on this thread, it is ultimately up to each individual to decide whether or not to respond.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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[KingJ]

Dear KingJ,
I am speaking only for myself here, but we do not force anyone to answer every question asked of them. As this topic has generated considerable debate on this thread, it is ultimately up to each individual to decide whether or not to respond.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
\o/
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It is not just a random question though. I am asking @Brightfame52 to explain how his belief is not heretical.

 

[Bill]

You are an EXPERT at dodging a question.

Dodging - Noun. deliberately avoiding; keeping away from or preventing from happening. synonyms: avoidance, shunning, turning away.

Question to Brightfame - Cherry picking some is partiality and partiality is wicked, explain to me how it is not!! Explain why YOU teach it when Job said this ''Job 34:12 it is UNTHINKABLE that God would do what is wicked'' and David said ''Psalm 145:17 God is righteous in ALL HIS WAYS.......Go, the floor is YOURS.....

More dodge INCOMING, everyone get your popcorn!!

Welcome to being labled as sinful for trying to give reason. Lol . I do not think Brightframe really wants to debate or even have any respect for others. Only to demonize anyone standing against him.

 

[Brightfame52]

Heb 12:6-10

Heb 12:6-10

6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

Since the writer seems to indicate that some can be without chastisement, of which all them that God Loveth [see Rev 3:19] receives, then its reasonable to conclude that those who be without it, The Lord did not Love, and they are bastards as scripture says, and not son's [This destroys the ungodly concept that all mankind are the son's of God] For if all were sons of God, this inspired statement by the writer of Hebrews is a lie.

Jesus says in Rev 3:19 " as many as He Loves" He Chastens ! Why if He loved all mankind without exception, then His statement " as many as " is misleading and tends to deceive, why even say it that way Lord Jesus, if you Love all mankind without exception.

The phrase " as many as" is a idiom denoting a part as distinct from the whole ! Dividing something into parts.

It can denote a large number, but not all. One can be told to take as many as you like, but that does not mean to take all.

So this very Phrase, As Many as I Love, denotes that Christ does not Love all mankind without exception ! 3

 

[Curtis]

So this very Phrase, As Many as I Love, denotes that Christ does not Love all mankind without exception !

Did Jesus "love" Judas Iscariot whom he chose to be an Apostle, and also he called him his friend? Judas never believed in Jesus yet Jesus still loved him.

How about the rich young ruler who was of the world, did Jesus love him?

Mar 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
Mar 10:22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.

 

[Brightfame52]

Did Jesus "love" Judas Iscariot whom he chose to be an Apostle, and also he called him his friend? Judas never believed in Jesus yet Jesus still loved him.

How about the rich young ruler who was of the world, did Jesus love him?

Mar 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
Mar 10:22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.

Those whom Jesus loved are saved.