The offer of Salvation is universal, but the application is only : "by Faith".

[Bethel]

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Often a believer can become confused about ...... "Salvation" ..... and how its offered and how its applied.

So, let me simplify it by explaining it..... and then show you 2 key verses that will help you to clearly see a distinction between God offering The Cross of Christ to all, but not applying it to all.

Here is how God offers the Gift of Grace..... Romans 5:15.

God came here 2000 yrs ago, and died as Christ on the Cross for us ALL.
This is a one time and eternal sacrifice for ALL the sin of the world.
That is the OFFER of SALVATiON.....that is universally offered.
However, this sacrifice, this payment for all the sin of the world, is not Applied to anyone unless they BELIEVE.

See that?

FAITH, is what God requires of you, to give you His "Gift of Grace" that is "the Gift of Salvation" ...which is given to redeem you from your sin, and give you eternal life.

So, the OFFER of Christ on the Cross is to EVERYONE, but, this Sacrifice that Christ has accomplished... .this full payment for all sin... is not given to you, is not applied to you.......unless you come to Jesus and BELIEVE by FAITH and "faith is counted as righteousness", and you are "Justified BY faith".
Jesus said..>"all that come unto me, i give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish".

Reader...... If you will take Christ into your heart believing in Jesus as your Savior...., then God will take you as His OWN.
John 3:16......... is the OFFER of the Gift of Grace, the Gift of Salvation to the WORLD....but to have it applied to you.. is only when you BELIEVE in Jesus, receiving Him as your Savior.

Verse 1 : John 1:12.. "As many as RECEIVED CHRIST BY FAITH - = God GIVES them......the POWER TO BECOME a SON/Daughter of God".
See that?
That POWER is the Holy Spirit causing your spirit to become ALIVE and "one with God", ... born again., "In Christ".


Verse 2 : 1 John 2:2.... """ And Jesus is the Payment, is the Sacrifice, for the SIN of the WHOLE WORLD".

See that?
That is what Jesus is talking about, when from the Cross He said..>"it is FINISHED".

 

[Samson2020]

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Often a believer can become confused about ...... "Salvation" ..... and how its offered and how its applied.

So, let me simplify it by explaining it..... and then show you 2 key verses that will help you to clearly see a distinction between God offering The Cross of Christ to all, but not applying it to all.

Here is how God offers the Gift of Grace..... Romans 5:15.

God came here 2000 yrs ago, and died as Christ on the Cross for us ALL.
This is a one time and eternal sacrifice for ALL the sin of the world.
That is the OFFER of SALVATiON.....that is universally offered.
However, this sacrifice, this payment for all the sin of the world, is not Applied to anyone unless they BELIEVE.

See that?

FAITH, is what God requires of you, to give you His "Gift of Grace" that is "the Gift of Salvation" ...which is given to redeem you from your sin, and give you eternal life.

So, the OFFER of Christ on the Cross is to EVERYONE, but, this Sacrifice that Christ has accomplished... .this full payment for all sin... is not given to you, is not applied to you.......unless you come to Jesus and BELIEVE by FAITH and "faith is counted as righteousness", and you are "Justified BY faith".
Jesus said..>"all that come unto me, i give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish".

Reader...... If you will take Christ into your heart believing in Jesus as your Savior...., then God will take you as His OWN.
John 3:16......... is the OFFER of the Gift of Grace, the Gift of Salvation to the WORLD....but to have it applied to you.. is only when you BELIEVE in Jesus, receiving Him as your Savior.

Verse 1 : John 1:12.. "As many as RECEIVED CHRIST BY FAITH - = God GIVES them......the POWER TO BECOME a SON/Daughter of God".
See that?
That POWER is the Holy Spirit causing your spirit to become ALIVE and "one with God", ... born again., "In Christ".


Verse 2 : 1 John 2:2.... """ And Jesus is the Payment, is the Sacrifice, for the SIN of the WHOLE WORLD".

See that?
That is what Jesus is talking about, when from the Cross He said..>"it is FINISHED".

So I would suppose from your explanation then that the condemnation was also by an "OFFER"? Or was it rather a universal condemnation to all humans? As it was His intent to reconcile
ALL back to Himself through Jesus Christ. It seems to me that the condemnation only worked too well, and as the GIFT of justification and life is granted through the righteousness and
selflessness of what Jesus did, there is no offer, it is a gift that one can only grasp when the Father teaches each individual about what that sacrifice provided. After all He must draw, drag,
pull you to Jesus in order to know Jesus. Even Jesus Himself told Peter than flesh and blood could not reveal who He was, but only the Father could.
No one obtains their individual salvation moment until it is the Fathers time to bring salvation unto them and the faith necessary to believe is also given.
The GIFTS and callings of God are without repentance. Salvation is a gift that was shed upon ALL men but the faith necessary to apprehend it was withheld until the proper time according to
the Fathers timing. Thus each comes according to his OWN ORDER which was determined prior to the founding of the world as all the works of God were finished before the world was founded.
1 Co 15:23 Acts 15:18 Romans 11:29

You are teaching that a man can acquire salvation through his own faith as opposed to the kind of faith the Father must give for one to truly believe. There is a big difference.
And I would add that once one receive that kind of faith to truly believe is when the holy Ghost is given. Without that faith there is no comforter and there is only head faith,
not heart faith. And that leaves you with a "church" goer, not a disciple.

God came here 2000 yrs ago, and died as Christ on the Cross for us ALL.

This is also a false teaching in that Jesus was tempted just as we are thus a human, God cannot be tempted by evil. James 1:13 Thus Jesus was not God.
To add as well the fact that God is the source of all life, He cannot die, Jesus did.
Jesus as God in the flesh only teaches there never was a man named Jesus that was and is the Son of the living God, an independent Spirit placed in an earthen vessel exactly as us.
Thus the deception.

Jesus was just as us and was glorified to the status of a God after His resurrection. This is the Gospel, and this is the destination for all the spirits that inhabit an earthen vessel. But to have
faith in that final destination one would have to see that the process already had been tested and the outcome sure. Jesus is the pattern Son, the PLAN of God for ALL. It started with
one seed that fell into the ground and died and has brought forth much fruit, but suppose His seed falls into the ground and dies and also brings forth much fruit. This is the next
dispensation of time when His seed will have seed. Isaiah 59:20-21 The NLT is a very poor reference for these verses. If your allowed to see it these are the offspring, children, seed
of Jesus who thus also have offspring, children, seed etc.. But we speak concerning spiritual offspring, seed etc.... These verses have nothing to do with the flesh as Jesus never had
any offspring, children, seed in the flesh. ONLY SPIRITUAL, after resurrection.

 

[Bethel]

This is also a false teaching in that Jesus was tempted just as we are thus a human,

I wrote nothing and implied nothing about "temptation".
So, i have no idea what you are talking about, as nothing you have written, has anything to do with my Thread.

Salvation is a Gift.
Jesus Himself is the Gift.
Eternal life is a Gift. Jesus Himself is Eternal Life.

We are not saved by our Faith....as faith is not the Savior.
God is the SAVIOR, who through our Faith, delivers to us what Jesus has accomplished for us, on the Cross. = Salvation.

 

[Jarhead0311]

I wrote nothing and implied nothing about "temptation".
So, i have no idea what you are talking about, as nothing you have written, has anything to do with my Thread.

Salvation is a Gift.
Jesus Himself is the Gift.
Eternal life is a Gift. Jesus Himself is Eternal Life.

We are not saved by our Faith....as faith is not the Savior.
God is the SAVIOR, who through our Faith, delivers to us what Jesus has accomplished for us, on the Cross. = Salvation.

No faith( belief)no salvation as taught by scripture.

Heb 11:6 - But without faith it isimpossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

 

[Jarhead0311]

I wrote nothing and implied nothing about "temptation".
So, i have no idea what you are talking about, as nothing you have written, has anything to do with my Thread.

Salvation is a Gift.
Jesus Himself is the Gift.
Eternal life is a Gift. Jesus Himself is Eternal Life.

We are not saved by our Faith....as faith is not the Savior.
God is the SAVIOR, who through our Faith, delivers to us what Jesus has accomplished for us, on the Cross. = Salvation.

Heb 11:6 - But without faith it isimpossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. No faith ( belief) no salvation as taught by scripture.

 

[Bethel]

No faith( belief)no salvation as taught by scripture.

Heb 11:6 - But without faith it isimpossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Yes, you must BELIEVE in Jesus...........as my Thread states.........And when you do, God will give you "the gift of Salvation", and the new birth.
Exactly.

 

[Brightfame52]

The scripture never presents Salvation as an offer. Romans 5:15 says nothing about an offer of Salvation Rom 5:15

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

The Gift by Grace wasn't offered, it has sovereignly abounded to many ! The word abounded is the word perisseuō and means:

"a thing comes in abundance, or overflows, unto one; something falls to the lot of one in large measure"

2 Cor 1:5

For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.

 

[Brightfame52]

bethel

God came here 2000 yrs ago, and died as Christ on the Cross for us ALL.

Not all without exception, but all His People, Sheep, Gods Elect, His Seed. Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Jn 10:11

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

Rom 8:33-34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Isa 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Rom 4:16
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

 

[Brightfame52]

bethel

FAITH, is what God requires of you, to give you His "Gift of Grace" that is "the Gift of Salvation" ...which is given to redeem you from your sin, and give you eternal life.

Thats not true. Require ? Thats law talk friend, be careful, you will find yourself teaching a false salvation by law keeping or works. Faith isnt a requirement, its the Gift of God along with Grace and Salvation

 

[Jarhead0311]

bethel



Thats not true. Require ? Thats law talk friend, be careful, you will find yourself teaching a false salvation by law keeping or works. Faith isnt a requirement, its the Gift of God along with Grace and Salvation

bethel



Thats not true. Require ? Thats law talk friend, be careful, you will find yourself teaching a false salvation by law keeping or works. Faith isnt a requirement, its the Gift of God along with Grace and Salvation

Eph 2:8 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not ofyourselves: it is the gift of God:

Eph 2:9 - Not of works, lest any man should boast. You’re wrong the scripture says saved by grace THROUGH faith. Grace is the gift no one can earn but by faith. God does not believe for us, God does not repent for us, and God does not believe for us.

 

[God's Truth]

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Often a believer can become confused about ...... "Salvation" ..... and how its offered and how its applied.

So, let me simplify it by explaining it..... and then show you 2 key verses that will help you to clearly see a distinction between God offering The Cross of Christ to all, but not applying it to all.

Here is how God offers the Gift of Grace..... Romans 5:15.

God came here 2000 yrs ago, and died as Christ on the Cross for us ALL.
This is a one time and eternal sacrifice for ALL the sin of the world.
That is the OFFER of SALVATiON.....that is universally offered.
However, this sacrifice, this payment for all the sin of the world, is not Applied to anyone unless they BELIEVE.

Right. We have to believe that Jesus is the Lamb.
Lambs were sacrificed to atone for the people's sins.
We have to be sorry for our sins, we have to repent of our sins and believe that Jesus' blood atones for it.

See that?

FAITH, is what God requires of you, to give you His "Gift of Grace" that is "the Gift of Salvation" ...which is given to redeem you from your sin, and give you eternal life.

So, the OFFER of Christ on the Cross is to EVERYONE, but, this Sacrifice that Christ has accomplished... .this full payment for all sin... is not given to you, is not applied to you.......unless you come to Jesus and BELIEVE by FAITH and "faith is counted as righteousness", and you are "Justified BY faith".
Jesus said..>"all that come unto me, i give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish".

Reader...... If you will take Christ into your heart believing in Jesus as your Savior...., then God will take you as His OWN.
John 3:16......... is the OFFER of the Gift of Grace, the Gift of Salvation to the WORLD....but to have it applied to you.. is only when you BELIEVE in Jesus, receiving Him as your Savior.

Verse 1 : John 1:12.. "As many as RECEIVED CHRIST BY FAITH - = God GIVES them......the POWER TO BECOME a SON/Daughter of God".
See that?
That POWER is the Holy Spirit causing your spirit to become ALIVE and "one with God", ... born again., "In Christ".


Verse 2 : 1 John 2:2.... """ And Jesus is the Payment, is the Sacrifice, for the SIN of the WHOLE WORLD".

See that?
That is what Jesus is talking about, when from the Cross He said..>"it is FINISHED".

It means we don't have to purify ourselves anymore and that Jesus does it now.
That means we have to repent of our sins to Jesus and we dong' have to sacrifice animals anymore and get circumcised in the flesh.

 

[God's Truth]

ALL back to Himself through Jesus Christ. It seems to me that the condemnation only worked too well, and as the GIFT of justification and life is granted through the righteousness and
selflessness of what Jesus did, there is no offer, it is a gift that one can only grasp when the Father teaches each individual about what that sacrifice provided. After all He must draw, drag,

We don't get dragged.

God draws us with loving kindness.

You are teaching that a man can acquire salvation through his own faith as opposed to the kind of faith the Father must give for one to truly believe. There is a big difference.
And I would add that once one receive that kind of faith to truly believe is when the holy Ghost is given. Without that faith there is no comforter and there is only head faith,
not heart faith. And that leaves you with a "church" goer, not a disciple.

WE have to have faith!
No one received the Holy Spirit unless they repent of their sins and believe Jesus shed blood on the cross washes them clean.

This is also a false teaching in that Jesus was tempted just as we are thus a human, God cannot be tempted by evil. James 1:13 Thus Jesus was not God.

Jesus is God come in the flesh.
He was tempted in the desert for a short time after fasting for forty days and night. He experienced temptation so that he could know what it is like for humans.

To add as well the fact that God is the source of all life, He cannot die, Jesus did.

All humans die but our spirits don't die. Jesus' spirit within him is the Spirit of God. God's Spirit did not die, only the flesh body did when he came as a human.

Jesus as God in the flesh only teaches there never was a man named Jesus that was and is the Son of the living God, an independent Spirit placed in an earthen vessel exactly as us.
Thus the deception.

There is only one divine Spirit. The scriptures say that Jesus himself lives in the saved AS DOES THE FATHER by the one Spirit.

Jesus was just as us and was glorified to the status of a God after His resurrection.

No such thing as a man becoming God.
The Almighty God can do anything and He came as a man.

 

[Bethel]

The scripture never presents Salvation as an offer. Romans 5:15 says nothing about an offer of Salvation Rom 5:15

The Cross is the "offer".
Its John 3:16

Try reading it.

 

[Jarhead0311]

bethel



Thats not true. Require ? Thats law talk friend, be careful, you will find yourself teaching a false salvation by law keeping or works. Faith isnt a requirement, its the Gift of God along with Grace and Salvation

Heb 11:6 - But without faith it isimpossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. No faith ( belief) no salvation as taught by scripture.

 

[brighthouse98]

Bethel, you being from Israel ought to know that one's faith is worthless without the work behind the words. Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, but Jesus also knew he would have to prove he was (and is to me) so!! He showed he was! (Matt 10:1) He had to give this same power to his disciples otherwise the people would not believe them either. (James 1:22) My foundation!!

Example - I tell you I am going to give you 100 dollars, if that were all I said you may think yea but when?? And if you never receive what I said I will give you, what worth were my words in the first place?? Faith only can work through LOVE!!!(Gal 5:6) Not faith, nor love works by itself, they must have the work alongside of it. James perhaps put it best, Faith without works is DEAD! (James 2:14-26) works perfect one's faith!

Some people believe in faith alone, but that has no value without the work behind one's faith. Many will say on that day I believe, and most in our world would say that, but it has no value without the proof behind one's words!

 

[Brightfame52]

The Cross is the "offer".
Its John 3:16

Try reading it.

John 3:16 says nothing about an offer, dont add to the word of God its not nice.

 

[Brightfame52]

Heb 11:6 - But without faith it isimpossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. No faith ( belief) no salvation as taught by scripture.

Faith comes with the Gift of Salvation and Grace. No saving, no faith

 

[Jarhead0311]

Faith comes with the Gift of Salvation and Grace. No saving, no faith

Not what Heb. 11:6 and or Ephesians 2:8,9 says.

 

[Brightfame52]

Not what Heb. 11:6 and or Ephesians 2:8,9 says.

Yes it is.

 

[Jarhead0311]

Yes it is.

Heb 11:6 - But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. No faith ( belief) no salvation as taught by scripture. You cannot go to God if you do not believe He is. Believing is what one does or does not do. God does not believe for you nor repent for you.