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[Twistie]

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Do you think one has the right to destroy a person's world with the Truth?

 

[MedicBravo]

You mean their subjective reality? Of course.
There is their truth and The Truth. The latter not only includes God but also the reality of our world.
Disagreement is not hate.
People who are so obsessed with their made up, subjective world that anything outside of it as seen as "dangerous and bad" need help not encouragement.

 

[Brad Huber]

Yes but... do it kindly and out of love as often it will get the opposite result, if otherwise.

 

[MedicBravo]

Yes but... do it kindly and out of love as often it will get the opposite result, if otherwise.

The Truth is love not watering it down or worse PCing something to save "feelings and emotions".
Fire and brimstone talk won't win and neither will Hippie Is Fine With People Staying In Sin Jesus.
If you preach/repeat the Bible like Ben Stein you're not going to save anyone.
I've not that gift but Speaking to others in a general tone is in all of us.
I would rather hear a harsh/mean truth from people who care for me and my church family than a comfortable lie.

 

[Bill]

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Do you think one has the right to destroy a person's world with the Truth?

In the name of Christianity many people suffered we're tortured and their lives were completely disruptive not just with the Middle Ages but also in somewhat more modern times as in the Americas with the indigenous people.

What is done has been done.

I'm sure that there were many people that felt it was the best thing in the world to do. It is why I am so thankful that I don't have to be The Judge.

When I think about times that are coming forward from the future. There will be many people as in the days of Hitler that will feel that they are justified in what they are doing. It will only be in hindsight where they see the truth.

As for your question. I think that the object should not be one of Destruction but to build that person up, and lead by example versus destroying that person's life and their thinking just because you want to save them.

The premise here is what is most important their salvation. But it's in the manner in which a person is saved that they can be saved.

If you feed a person to the wolves all they will do is resent everything that you have shown them

And the truth in Jesus is patience endurance and love

 

[MedicBravo]

Cultures were invading and conquering others long before Europeans remotely thought about future America.
Indians were not all goody with each other. Tribal wars were regular and they all had slaves of their own and other tribes. Almost every culture had a cast/hierarchy system; enslaved their own and took others as slaves.
America put an end to it here. Constantly bringing it up is pointless.
We've seen our government doesn't care about us and the poor treatment of Native Indians here was/is evil.
If anything we see the same types of people pushing the same agenda. Communism and totalitarian dictatorships.
Biden is a puppet. Pelosi. Clinton. Soros. Trudeau. The list goes on. The only solution is their permanent removal be it by the public and eventually by God and ultimately both.
Any softening of God isn't going to save anyone. If "insert sin here" is watered down, made excuses for, or even a grey area then that person is being taught false ideas. Following God requires sacrifice.

 

[Twistie]

You mean their subjective reality? Of course.
There is their truth and The Truth. The latter not only includes God but also the reality of our world.
Disagreement is not hate.
People who are so obsessed with their made up, subjective world that anything outside of it as seen as "dangerous and bad" need help not encouragement.

It's not a disagreement just the truth about a specific person whom they look upto

 

[Curtis]

2Ti 2:24 A servant of the Lord must not quarrel but must be kind to everyone, be able to teach, and be patient with difficult people.
2Ti 2:25 Gently instruct those who oppose the truth. Perhaps God will change those people’s hearts, and they will learn the truth.

 

[GodB4Us]

The Truth is love not watering it down or worse PCing something to save "feelings and emotions".
Fire and brimstone talk won't win and neither will Hippie Is Fine With People Staying In Sin Jesus.
If you preach/repeat the Bible like Ben Stein you're not going to save anyone.
I've not that gift but Speaking to others in a general tone is in all of us.
I would rather hear a harsh/mean truth from people who care for me and my church family than a comfortable lie.

You do have the gift even though at the moment, you seem to know it not.

2 Corinthians 3:1Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you?
2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

1 Corinthians 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

2 Corinthians 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

1 Corinthians 2:1And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

 

[MedicBravo]

It's not a disagreement just the truth about a specific person whom they look upto

There is a time and place for Damnation preaching and not just the stereotypical "crazy man' with a sign.
Truth is, at one point it will be too late. Both sides will be chosen. The line has already been drawn.
More truth, is soft speak isn't going to be enough to get a lot of people's attention.

This is one man I follow on Youtube. 20+ years a pastor. A great channel, IMO, but he has that Preacher voice. The lost tend to think that voices like this are weak and easy to attack.
I won't get into it but there are many signs of End days all around us. For a Christian to truly care about a random stranger far away we can't be too soft.
In our history before all the fancy tv's and everything people entertained by telling stories. That's how history was told from Adam to old grandparents telling them to their grandchildren.
There will be a time and it will be too late and no amount of begging, praying, crying, throwing fits, etc. is going to change His mind.

 

[MedicBravo]

@GodB4Us We're all reading text here.
There is a big difference between reading any book, text messages back and forth, and chat rooms vs in-person dialogue.
These conversations are somewhat flawed by default.
As I state, I don't have the gift of teaching God but through the Gift of Helping one can show God to many people without saying a word. I and countless people have done it throughout all of history regardless of culture (not Islam or Muslims).
I implore you to check out some of "Pastor" Greg Locke's sermons and see if he is someone you'd want to learn from. When he says that autistic children are "demon possessed" among other things I'll let you be the judge.
I'll say this again, "What kind of person, let alone Christian am I if I do the bare minimum or actively pray for Hell and harm for certain non-Christians?"
Scripture can only do so much. Logic and common sense will fill in the rest.

 

[Brad Huber]

The Truth is love not watering it down or worse PCing something to save "feelings and emotions".
Fire and brimstone talk won't win and neither will Hippie Is Fine With People Staying In Sin Jesus.
If you preach/repeat the Bible like Ben Stein you're not going to save anyone.
I've not that gift but Speaking to others in a general tone is in all of us.
I would rather hear a harsh/mean truth from people who care for me and my church family than a comfortable lie.

So if you dont do it in love and they turn more hatred toward Christ because of your terrible life witness, its okay because you were giving it to them just as they deserved huh?

 

[GodB4Us]

@GodB4Us We're all reading text here.
There is a big difference between reading any book, text messages back and forth, and chat rooms vs in-person dialogue.
These conversations are somewhat flawed by default.
As I state, I don't have the gift of teaching God but through the Gift of Helping one can show God to many people without saying a word. I and countless people have done it throughout all of history regardless of culture (not Islam or Muslims).
I implore you to check out some of "Pastor" Greg Locke's sermons and see if he is someone you'd want to learn from. When he says that autistic children are "demon possessed" among other things I'll let you be the judge.
I'll say this again, "What kind of person, let alone Christian am I if I do the bare minimum or actively pray for Hell and harm for certain non-Christians?"
Scripture can only do so much. Logic and common sense will fill in the rest.

I'm not sure I was ever advocating to pray for children or babies to go to hell, but for the hope we have that Jesus is Lord and He knows us before we were formed in the womb and the Father will reveal His Son to any one in the womb because He desires us to know truth in our inward parts for those He foreknew that would have sought Him had they ever been born.

Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.

Psalm 139:1O lord, thou hast searched me, and known me....
...13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.
17 How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!

I was declaring my faith & my hope in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ for the unborn should they ever be still born or aborted or death came about due to other complications while still in the womb i.e. a miscarriage.

I do not see those texts as just texts but the word of God where the truth can be found in scripture.

 

[Bill]

Cultures were invading and conquering others long before Europeans remotely thought about future America.
Indians were not all goody with each other. Tribal wars were regular and they all had slaves of their own and other tribes. Almost every culture had a cast/hierarchy system; enslaved their own and took others as slaves.
America put an end to it here. Constantly bringing it up is pointless.
We've seen our government doesn't care about us and the poor treatment of Native Indians here was/is evil.
If anything we see the same types of people pushing the same agenda. Communism and totalitarian dictatorships.
Biden is a puppet. Pelosi. Clinton. Soros. Trudeau. The list goes on. The only solution is their permanent removal be it by the public and eventually by God and ultimately both.
Any softening of God isn't going to save anyone. If "insert sin here" is watered down, made excuses for, or even a grey area then that person is being taught false ideas. Following God requires sacrifice.

Not sure why you deverted my comment. But i can assure you , much harm has been done over the years in the name of Christianity.

Not all who go to church on sunday are innocent !!! Groups like the KKK will tell you in a heartbeat , they are Christian.

I myself, back in 1979 was visiting college friends in Clarksdale, Mississippi. After church on a sunday we went for a walk , i saw an icecream stand across the street. Said lets go get some icecream . At that time , another church was finishing, people coming out of the church. Kids picking up rocks and throwing them at me. Because we came from the other side of the street. The black side.

Most American Indians did not live as you portray. With slaves or fighting. But yes there were fights , much like the hatfields and macoys ( both Christian families too )

As i said . Many Christians and others have believed thier leaders over the years . And it is only in hindsight that people see what is real

 

[Bill]

The Truth is love not watering it down or worse PCing something to save "feelings and emotions".
Fire and brimstone talk won't win and neither will Hippie Is Fine With People Staying In Sin Jesus.
If you preach/repeat the Bible like Ben Stein you're not going to save anyone.
I've not that gift but Speaking to others in a general tone is in all of us.
I would rather hear a harsh/mean truth from people who care for me and my church family than a comfortable lie.

God uses people in different ways . I personally like hearing a fire and brimstone preacher, as he just lays it all out for all to see. If only more had thier zeal . Lol

I only decern listening to preachers ( or not listening to them ) when they are way off base . Like condeming one particular group because they dont agree with them ( catholics in general )

 

[MedicBravo]

@GodB4Us
It may not directly, word for word explain many things but the idea they do (Catholics, cough cough) does not add up nor fit with who God is.
It would be hypocritical to "create" babies only to know they are going to Hell when they've had no mental capacity or Opportunity to Choose. = Explained.
The two you posted do not address the topic. Aside from Adam and Eve we were all born and that's about as close to any scriptural backing.
We should not pretend to know or assume we know how He thinks.
Those "babies" and children might be dead but in Heaven they are not babies and children.
The frail human mind cannot comprehend life after death, Heaven, or Hell.

 

[GodB4Us]

@GodB4Us
It may not directly, word for word explain many things but the idea they do (Catholics, cough cough) does not add up nor fit with who God is.
It would be hypocritical to "create" babies only to know they are going to Hell when they've had no mental capacity or Opportunity to Choose. = Explained.
The two you posted do not address the topic. Aside from Adam and Eve we were all born and that's about as close to any scriptural backing.
We should not pretend to know or assume we know how He thinks.
Those "babies" and children might be dead but in Heaven they are not babies and children.
The frail human mind cannot comprehend life after death, Heaven, or Hell.

Not sure where Catholics fit into this for how I see the meaning of His words convey this truth, but when we see Him face to face, everything will be known.

 

[MedicBravo]

Catholics fall under the "Christian" umbrella.
Sadly, the Mormons do but are not Christians. Jews are not Christians largely b/c they don't believe in Jesus' divinity and only use the OT. They are relevant.
There is a difference between Jesus' coming and the time after 1000 years with Jesus. Before, many will refuse Him with undeniable evidence.

 

[Bill]

@GodB4Us
It may not directly, word for word explain many things but the idea they do (Catholics, cough cough) does not add up nor fit with who God is.
It would be hypocritical to "create" babies only to know they are going to Hell when they've had no mental capacity or Opportunity to Choose. = Explained.
The two you posted do not address the topic. Aside from Adam and Eve we were all born and that's about as close to any scriptural backing.
We should not pretend to know or assume we know how He thinks.
Those "babies" and children might be dead but in Heaven they are not babies and children.
The frail human mind cannot comprehend life after death, Heaven, or Hell.

How can you possibly assume that you know what babies can and cannot do .

Aren't you doing the very same thing that you're accusing us of doing and I "we should not pretend to know or assume we no how He thinks"

And this would go for babies as well the capacity to know who God is.

As scripture States "all knees will bend", in reference to Jesus

 

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Do you think one has the right to destroy a person's world with the Truth?

Could you explain that more?