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[Bill]

Would like feed back

Do you think one has the right to destroy a person's world with the Truth?

I thought about this some more . The answer, definately not.

Jesus spoke to everyone using stories , versus do this or you are going to hell.

In scripture it tell us not to belittle others , just because thier faith is weak . That we are to build up people.

We all have responcibilities when it comes to teaching. You dont tell a child about reproduction until they are at an appropriate age.

Same is true in teaching about heavenly things . If a person has no thinking of angels , then sharing experiences about them can only be limited.

It is written , he shall not break the bending reed nor put out the flickering flame

 

[God's Truth]

I thought about this some more . The answer, definately not.

Jesus spoke to everyone using stories , versus do this or you are going to hell.

But Jesus preached that people will go to hell.
Jesus and John called people vipers, and they spoke about the wrath.

In scripture it tell us not to belittle others , just because thier faith is weak . That we are to build up people.

We all have responcibilities when it comes to teaching. You dont tell a child about reproduction until they are at an appropriate age.

Same is true in teaching about heavenly things . If a person has no thinking of angels , then sharing experiences about them can only be limited.

It is written , he shall not break the bending reed nor put out the flickering flame

I think if someone really loves the Lord then they will listen to the truth and give up their false teachings for the truth.
If a person feels shocked and hurt that they had false beliefs, they should be glad to hear the truth and have a more powerful testimony and know God better.
We have to be humble to enter the kingdom, so a humble person is more apt to not get so offended and then listen to the truth and consider the right way and try it.

 

[God's Truth]

I remember one time I had someone who came to my house for a while to do some work, and this person didn't speak much English, but was a Catholic and loved the Catholic denomination in a strong way, and would even make a comment here and there to me to try to get me to go back to the Catholic religion. I had this person sit at my computer and read in Spanish about an ex Catholic priest's testimony, and I can still see the look on this person's face as if he was going to die. I felt so bad and turned off my computer so he couldn't read anymore. Did I do wrong showing this person the truth that the Catholic religion is false, or did I do wrong by stopping this person from reading further? I say I did wrong by stopping the person from hearing the truth.

 

[Brad Huber]

People are like children in so many ways. Some can be spanked or just scolded and thats enough to set them right about wrong doing. But some will just remember the punishment and might not have deserved it. When I was a child my stepdad thought I had done something wrong deserving of punishment (beat with a belt), and I dont remember doing anything bad, so I asked the question of "What did I do?" several times and he just got angrier, would not even tell me what I had supposedly done, and finally told me that if I didnt own up to it, he would slap my head against the wall he had me up against. I feared this man and his wrath, a big man 6 foot 4 inches and arms as big around as his legs, very manipulative, and no love for his stepchild. I decided it was better to be beat with a belt then have one of his bear paws do head trauma to me, so I say, that yes I did it. Still dont know what it was to this day. I never forgave him till many years later for all the stuff he did to me. You are God's childen, be a good representation of the Father whom shows mercy and patience with a sinful man. The truth CAN be told in love and if you think it cant, then you are part of the problem of hypocrisy in the christian world today.

 

[God's Truth]

People are like children in so many ways. Some can be spanked or just scolded and thats enough to set them right about wrong doing. But some will just remember the punishment and might not have deserved it. When I was a child my stepdad thought I had done something wrong deserving of punishment (beat with a belt), and I dont remember doing anything bad, so I asked the question of "What did I do?" several times and he just got angrier, would not even tell me what I had supposedly done, and finally told me that if I didnt own up to it, he would slap my head against the wall he had me up against. I feared this man and his wrath, a big man 6 foot 4 inches and arms as big around as his legs, very manipulative, and no love for his stepchild. I decided it was better to be beat with a belt then have one of his bear paws do head trauma to me, so I say, that yes I did it. Still dont know what it was to this day. I never forgave him till many years later for all the stuff he did to me. You are God's childen, be a good representation of the Father whom shows mercy and patience with a sinful man. The truth CAN be told in love and if you think it cant, then you are part of the problem of hypocrisy in the christian world today.

How can people be so loveless and cruel? Tell what you believe the person did wrong, if you have a charge against them. If a parent did wrong to their child and they know it, they should ask for forgiveness to the child. What is wrong with people? We too should repent of our sin to Jesus and know what it is that we did and ask for forgiveness.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I thought about this some more . The answer, definately not.

Jesus spoke to everyone using stories , versus do this or you are going to hell.

In scripture it tell us not to belittle others , just because thier faith is weak . That we are to build up people.

We all have responcibilities when it comes to teaching. You dont tell a child about reproduction until they are at an appropriate age.

Same is true in teaching about heavenly things . If a person has no thinking of angels , then sharing experiences about them can only be limited.

It is written , he shall not break the bending reed nor put out the flickering flame

Paul's approach to the unregenerates (Jewish and otherwise) that surrounded him was: Jesus and Him crucified. NO "Philosophy", NO "Theology", NO "Politics", NO "Precious Denominational defining Doctrines" - just Jesus and Him crucified.

BUT THEN when the people were Born Again, indwelled by the Holy Spirit and were Christians, as they matured in the Faith - THEN he'd share his spiritual understandings with 'em.

 

[Bill]

But Jesus preached that people will go to hell.
Jesus and John called people vipers, and they spoke about the wrath.

I think if someone really loves the Lord then they will listen to the truth and give up their false teachings for the truth.
If a person feels shocked and hurt that they had false beliefs, they should be glad to hear the truth and have a more powerful testimony and know God better.
We have to be humble to enter the kingdom, so a humble person is more apt to not get so offended and then listen to the truth and consider the right way and try it.

You are making the presumption that everyone already knows the Lord . When they do not

 

[Bill]

Paul's approach to the unregenerates (Jewish and otherwise) that surrounded him was: Jesus and Him crucified. NO "Philosophy", NO "Theology", NO "Politics", NO "Precious Denominational defining Doctrines" - just Jesus and Him crucified.

BUT THEN when the people were Born Again, indwelled by the Holy Spirit and were Christians, as they matured in the Faith - THEN he'd share his spiritual understandings with 'em.

You are jumping to conclusions as well as you are talking about thise who already have been against Paul , not about those who have not been reached by Paul

 

[Bill]

How can people be so loveless and cruel? Tell what you believe the person did wrong, if you have a charge against them. If a parent did wrong to their child and they know it, they should ask for forgiveness to the child. What is wrong with people? We too should repent of our sin to Jesus and know what it is that we did and ask for forgiveness.

Go talk with those in Africa , to survivor's of gangs who force kids to kill thier own parents .

Then come back here and tell us why it is so hard to forgive

It is easy for you and i to say " why can't you forgive " when we have never experienced such horrors

 

[God's Truth]

You are making the presumption that everyone already knows the Lord . When they do not

Where am I doing that?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

You are jumping to conclusions as well as you are talking about thise who already have been against Paul , not about those who have not been reached by Paul

Totally meaningless response.

 

[Bill]

Paul's approach to the unregenerates (Jewish and otherwise) that surrounded him was: Jesus and Him crucified. NO "Philosophy", NO "Theology", NO "Politics", NO "Precious Denominational defining Doctrines" - just Jesus and Him crucified.

BUT THEN when the people were Born Again, indwelled by the Holy Spirit and were Christians, as they matured in the Faith - THEN he'd share his spiritual understandings with 'em.

There is a difference between those who flat out refuse , or flat out reject God , and those who dont know God yet

 

[Bill]

Where am I doing that?

How can a new Christian know the difference of false teaching or parcel false teaching.

Let us use examples : all catholics are going to hell . This is as retarded as catholics saying , all protestants are going to hell.

Another , " you must Know who Jesus is to be saved " there is a problem with the way this statement is taught . Because Jesus says , "you must Go Through Me "

Big difference between going throigh Jesus , or knowing who he is.

If all it took was knowing who Jesus is , then the Devil and all the demons would be in Heaven.

But because they rejected God , they refused the one KEY ingredient, and that is Love.

What is God , LOVE

What will last forever , not faith , not hope , but LOVE will last forever.

What is a True Jew " a true Jew is one whose HEART is Circumcised "

This is all from scripture . If you dont know where, then i suggest you keep reading

So going back to false teaching and new Christians , how can you possibly expect new Christians to understand truth .

Most teachers in many churches really believe the crap that has been fed to them for years.

The Rapture . Its huge . And it is false . Yet hard core christians will argue it as truth.

Instead of getting yourselves ready for what is to come, everyone is off chasing a fantasy. They have greater faith in the rapture than they do in God

 

[God's Truth]

How can a new Christian know the difference of false teaching or parcel false teaching.

Let us use examples : all catholics are going to hell . This is as retarded as catholics saying , all protestants are going to hell.

Who says that though? Where have you heard me say that? I asked you where I did something.

Another , " you must Know who Jesus is to be saved " there is a problem with the way this statement is taught . Because Jesus says , "you must Go Through Me "

Big difference between going throigh Jesus , or knowing who he is.

If all it took was knowing who Jesus is , then the Devil and all the demons would be in Heaven.

We have to hear the gospel by reading the Bible. We learn about who Jesus is by reading the Bible.
It takes believing and obeying Jesus.

But because they rejected God , they refused the one KEY ingredient, and that is Love.

What is God , LOVE

What will last forever , not faith , not hope , but LOVE will last forever.

If you don't obey Jesus, then you don't have love. At least not the love that is above the way the unbelievers love.

What is a True Jew " a true Jew is one whose HEART is Circumcised "

This is all from scripture . If you dont know where, then i suggest you keep reading

What on earth would give you the idea I don't know?

So going back to false teaching and new Christians , how can you possibly expect new Christians to understand truth .

I help people to know HOW to get understanding.

Are you talking about me personally or just people in general?

If you are speaking about people in general then I see what you mean, but I thought you were talking about me because you said something about me and I asked where I did what you claim I did it. So are you talking about me or people in general?

Most teachers in many churches really believe the crap that has been fed to them for years.

That is true! They believe what they are taught. They go to seminary school to be a pastor and were never taught by Jesus. If they were taught by Jesus they wouldn't say what they say.

The Rapture . Its huge . And it is false . Yet hard core christians will argue it as truth.

I have to go to a thread about the rapture because I haven't debated much at all about it, so I don't know what most are saying about it. I know that the at the resurrection from the dead the living and the dead will all have immortal bodies and meet Jesus in the clouds then wrath will come to the earth. Do you believe that?

Instead of getting yourselves ready for what is to come, everyone is off chasing a fantasy. They have greater faith in the rapture than they do in God

What do you mean by that? Could you explain your thoughts on that? Isn't faith in God the reason for the rapture in your eyes?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

There is a difference between those who flat out refuse , or flat out reject God , and those who dont know God yet

Actually no difference at all. NO "UNREGENERATE" human "Knows God". and what a person believes (mental assent) isn't important. however when God DRAWS a person to Christ (conviction of SIN and of judgement), then it's Decision time for the person, and all their "Mental arguments / beliefs" don't mean spit.

 

[PloughBoy]

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Actually no difference at all. NO "UNREGENERATE" human "Knows God". and what a person believes (mental assent) isn't important. however when God DRAWS a person to Christ (conviction of SIN and of judgement), then it's Decision time for the person, and all their "Mental arguments / beliefs" don't mean spit.

And I do not see how some people may think they will have a chance to explain themselves.

It Will not be A “Trial”,

 

[God's Truth]

Go talk with those in Africa , to survivor's of gangs who force kids to kill thier own parents .

Then come back here and tell us why it is so hard to forgive

It is easy for you and i to say " why can't you forgive " when we have never experienced such horrors

Are you kidding? Jesus says if you don't forgive then YOU WON'T be forgiven by his Father.

Does that scare you at all?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

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And I do not see how some people may think they will have a chance to explain themselves.

It Will not be A “Trial”,

BINGO!!! THIS is the trial. Judgement is what happens AFTER THE TRIAL IS OVER.

 

[Bill]

Actually no difference at all. NO "UNREGENERATE" human "Knows God". and what a person believes (mental assent) isn't important. however when God DRAWS a person to Christ (conviction of SIN and of judgement), then it's Decision time for the person, and all their "Mental arguments / beliefs" don't mean spit.

What is your excuse then ?

 

[Bill]

Are you kidding? Jesus says if you don't forgive then YOU WON'T be forgiven by his Father.

Does that scare you at all?

Can Protestants forgive the catholics and vice-versa when the time comes . I hope so. For all your sakes. As there wont be many Christians left by that time.