Tithing

[PloughBoy]

I thank God, He bless me with the right Bible, and I read every word and dotted every period and pause every comma, and observed every bracket and parentheses, italicizes and read the "Preface" of That Bible before I read "The Bible" and I knew I had to get a "English Grammar Book and a. " unabridged collegiate dictionary". Just to understand simple words! I am so glad I read the Bible every word, before I got "Tainted" by the "Institutionalize church"! And their methods of indoctrination of the man made church. I thank God I fully know the difference! I would love to guote "Luther" about now! But it might get me "excommunicated" from "TalkJesus" for I do believe I am on a thin line now, and many wish that it would be so.

Your Handicapped Brother in Christ Jesus
PloughBoy

 

[PloughBoy]

I thank God, He bless me with the right Bible, and I read every word and dotted every period and pause every comma, and observed every bracket and parentheses, italicizes and read the "Preface" of That Bible before I read "The Bible" and I knew I had to get a "English Grammar Book and a. " unabridged collegiate dictionary". Just to understand simple words! I am so glad I read the Bible every word, before I got "Tainted" by the "Institutionalize church"! And their methods of indoctrination of the man made church. I thank God I fully know the difference! I would love to guote "Luther" about now! But it might get me "excommunicated" from "TalkJesus" for I do believe I am on a thin line now, and many wish that it would be so.

Your Handicapped Brother in Christ Jesus
PloughBoy

 

[Trevor]

Tithing was done away with when the New Testament went into effect when Jesus died.
The OT law was to tithe to the priests of Levitical descent.
When the priesthood changed there was of necessity a change in the law as the New High Priest was out of the tribe of Judah and there is nothing about
tithing to a priest out of the tribe of Judah.

Hebrews 7:11 "If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest
should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?"
12-" For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity also a change in the law."
13- "For He of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar."
14- "For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Judah............. "

When the Church was started they sold all they had and brought it together for the benefit of all. There was nothing to tithe as they gave everything to the common
good.
This does not seem to exist today, but to be deceived into giving anyone money because of OT law is incorrect.
Show me a levitical priest if you can. And then tell me if you are of any of the other tribes of Israel in the flesh?
Do we sacrifice animals for sins? As this is what a Levitical priest would do for you. NO! We believe Jesus was the final sacrifice for sin period.
Give to them that are in need, be it believers or non believers as all are children of the same Father. Some of us know but most do not.

What I do is nothing to do with the Levitical law, I was reading the book of Malachi and God challenged me, nothing to do with law. He just called me to provide food in his storeroom and called me to test him, which I did, and we have been blessed ever since. If anybody wishes to make an issue of that, then so be it, they are the losers.

 

[Samson2020]

What I do is nothing to do with the Levitical law, I was reading the book of Malachi and God challenged me, nothing to do with law. He just called me to provide food in his storeroom and called me to test him, which I did, and we have been blessed ever since. If anybody wishes to make an issue of that, then so be it, they are the losers.

No one is challenging giving in order for God to bless you. I agree that he does so to those that give. But that giving to anyone in need is different that the deception
that causes one to tithe in order to church build or pay a preachers salary etc....

 

[Jazmine1933]

Tithing was done away with when the New Testament went into effect when Jesus died.
The OT law was to tithe to the priests of Levitical descent.
When the priesthood changed there was of necessity a change in the law as the New High Priest was out of the tribe of Judah and there is nothing about
tithing to a priest out of the tribe of Judah.

Hebrews 7:11 "If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest
should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?"
12-" For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity also a change in the law."
13- "For He of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar."
14- "For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Judah............. "

When the Church was started they sold all they had and brought it together for the benefit of all. There was nothing to tithe as they gave everything to the common
good.
This does not seem to exist today, but to be deceived into giving anyone money because of OT law is incorrect.
Show me a levitical priest if you can. And then tell me if you are of any of the other tribes of Israel in the flesh?
Do we sacrifice animals for sins? As this is what a Levitical priest would do for you. NO! We believe Jesus was the final sacrifice for sin period.
Give to them that are in need, be it believers or non believers as all are children of the same Father. Some of us know but most do not.

On your last couple sentences, what do you think when Jesus told
thr Pharisees they were of their father the Devil and when John talks about how to know if you are actually a child of God or not?
Non believers are not children of God until they are adopted by the Father through faith in Jesus And through God’a salvation plan.

 

[Jazmine1933]

No one is challenging giving in order for God to bless you. I agree that he does so to those that give. But that giving to anyone in need is different that the deception
that causes one to tithe in order to church build or pay a preachers salary etc....

If you aren’t giving to a church building or to pay a preachers salary, how are you expanding the church and reaching the lost? Are you a member of a church? As Christians we must not neglect meeting together because together we are a force against the devil.

 

[Jazmine1933]

What I do is nothing to do with the Levitical law, I was reading the book of Malachi and God challenged me, nothing to do with law. He just called me to provide food in his storeroom and called me to test him, which I did, and we have been blessed ever since. If anybody wishes to make an issue of that, then so be it, they are the losers.

Thanks Trevor! Also a point is that tithing predates levitical law. Do you tithe to a local church though? Reading some of your comments I think you actually set it aside and give it away but I’m curious why you wouldn’t want to tithe to a church... also how do you calculate tithe. Is it pretax and predeductions? How did you conclude from scriptures? I wonder why God wasn’t more clear on this subject surely he knew people would be having questions about this.

 

[Jazmine1933]

Hi Trevor,
If you read what I said a Christian should do, you would not ask me this. I said Christians should give out of their abundance and serve the Lord.

So what do you say about the widow who gave out of her poverty and Jesus praised this woman?

 

[Samson2020]

On your last couple sentences, what do you think when Jesus told
thr Pharisees they were of their father the Devil and when John talks about how to know if you are actually a child of God or not?
Non believers are not children of God until they are adopted by the Father through faith in Jesus And through God’a salvation plan.

I'm seeing all people as, eventually, the people of God as Jesus quoted the Psalms 82:6 "I have said, ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High."
Jesus stops short of saying that all are one with God as he is, in that they loved darkness as their deeds were evil, but salvation was not possible while
he still lived as the atonement for sin had not been paid. But after the death and resurrection we see those whom served the devil receive grace and faith
and thus translated into the kingdom. This will happen to all men some day. Therefore give to all in need as all are your eventual brothers in Christ.

I do not say give to further iniquity, but need such as food and shelter and things that you would consider needful for yourself. "Love your neighbor as yourself?"

The majority of the world is not in Christ and that is by design as God is only choosing a small remnant for his first harvest.

John 12:32 "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL MEN unto me."
Psalms 22:27 "All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee."
Jer 31:34 "And they shall no more teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying know the LORD: for they ALL shall know me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."

As we see from our Lords own words that life eternal is to know them both. As scripture above states he will have all men drawn to him if he be lifted up from
the earth, and that of course already happened. Then we see where God says that ALL shall know him from the least to the greatest. I would say that in my mind
at least these verses make strong statements to the eventual salvation of all as all must know Jesus before they can know his Father as it is Jesus who reveals
the Father, and if ALL eventually KNOW GOD then how do you avoid life eternal for ALL?

Thus see the finished product as all converted unto the Lord and give as you are inclined, but not to iniquity.
This makes forgiveness much easier as well if you see them as your brothers etc even though they are not yet.

 

[Rockerduck]

Hi Jasmine1933,


"So what do you say about the widow who gave out of her poverty and Jesus praised this woman"?

I'd say the widow was a Jewish woman under Mosaic law giving more money in proportion to what the Sanhedrin and rich leaders were giving. The Jewish woman was giving from the heart and not seeking praise, which drew praise from Jesus. Remember the Pharisee's were hypocrites and gave only so people would see them give.

 

[Samson2020]

If you aren’t giving to a church building or to pay a preachers salary, how are you expanding the church and reaching the lost? Are you a member of a church? As Christians we must not neglect meeting together because together we are a force against the devil.

I am a member of the body of Christ so yes I am a member of that Church. To your last sentence I have cast out unclean spirits, and other things that Mark 16:17-18
says a true believer will do. As greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world I need not make a stand against the devil as I am told to simply resist the devil
and he will flee. As far as furthering the kingdom and reaching the lost goes I can only speak to those whom the Lord sends me to, or sends to me. Organized
religion is not relationship, and I much prefer relationship than religion. But thats just me. I would say I'm a firm believer in "come out of her my people"
Her being empty false religion that would take from you your spiritual birthright which is to be taught by the Holy Ghost and not a man. 1 John 2:26-27

Point being why would you need to build a grand old building in order to have some man, or these days a woman, stand in the pulpit teaching you anything
when you have the Holy Ghost in you who will teach you of ALL things and there is no lie, or misconception, or deception to the teaching?

 

[Jazmine1933]

Ok but why wouldn’t you want to join a local church ? Churches are discussed in great detail in the NT. If you didn’t need to belong to a church why would Paul talk about not neglecting to meet as is the habit of some or even the church order. Of course you can be a born again believer and cut yourself from the local church of believers. The lost need a church of believers to be a beacon of light. If every Christian thought to be a loner wolf, where would the church be today? Yes born again Christians are a part of the church of Christ AND also there is an organizing on earth of churches that meet together as described in NT.
There are corrupt churches but there are also healthy churches that follow the NT.
Why would Paul discuss organized religion and give instructions on it if it weren’t important? How do you read that NT and conclude you don’t need to support organized church? Who says you can’t be in a church and also have the Holy Spirit teach you ? My guess is you just haven’t found a church that you fit in. Which I think the key is to keep searching and God will put you in a group where you fit. But the local church is important.

I am a member of the body of Christ so yes I am a member of that Church. To your last sentence I have cast out unclean spirits, and other things that Mark 16:17-18
says a true believer will do. As greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world I need not make a stand against the devil as I am told to simply resist the devil
and he will flee. As far as furthering the kingdom and reaching the lost goes I can only speak to those whom the Lord sends me to, or sends to me. Organized
religion is not relationship, and I much prefer relationship than religion. But thats just me. I would say I'm a firm believer in "come out of her my people"
Her being empty false religion that would take from you your spiritual birthright which is to be taught by the Holy Ghost and not a man. 1 John 2:26-27

Point being why would you need to build a grand old building in order to have some man, or these days a woman, stand in the pulpit teaching you anything
when you have the Holy Ghost in you who will teach you of ALL things and there is no lie, or misconception, or deception to the teaching?

I find it strange that many Christians seem to think that the old testament is no longer relevant, even though the whole history of our faith and the law of God are found there. Not to mention the books of wisdom and prophesy, perhaps it's just the scriptures that call us to share our wealth with God that causes people to remember that there is an old and new testament. In the book of Malachi, God accuses man of robbing him, and offers a deal. Fill his store house, and see if he doesn't pour out so much blessing that we will not be able to contain it. Then to press the point he challenges us to test him in this. I can't see why anyone would not wish to put him to the test and see if he doesn't, indeed, pour out his blessings. If he does, we receive abundant blessings, if not we've lost a few quid. It's a no brainer. Helen and I have tithed since the early nineties and we have been blessed beyond measure. No one will ever convince me that tithing, not only honours God, but also blesses many needy people. The blessings have been such that if we run out of tithes we'll use our own money where it is needed. We find that whatever we do, we are never left without our needs.

Also Trevor can you give

 

[Jazmine1933]

Also how does God send you to people? I have wondered about this myself, would like God to send me to people.

I am a member of the body of Christ so yes I am a member of that Church. To your last sentence I have cast out unclean spirits, and other things that Mark 16:17-18
says a true believer will do. As greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world I need not make a stand against the devil as I am told to simply resist the devil
and he will flee. As far as furthering the kingdom and reaching the lost goes I can only speak to those whom the Lord sends me to, or sends to me. Organized
religion is not relationship, and I much prefer relationship than religion. But thats just me. I would say I'm a firm believer in "come out of her my people"
Her being empty false religion that would take from you your spiritual birthright which is to be taught by the Holy Ghost and not a man. 1 John 2:26-27

Point being why would you need to build a grand old building in order to have some man, or these days a woman, stand in the pulpit teaching you anything
when you have the Holy Ghost in you who will teach you of ALL things and there is no lie, or misconception, or deception to the teaching?

 

[Dave M]

1 Timothy 5:17-18
Let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in preaching and teaching. For the Scripture says, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain,” and, “The laborer deserves his wages.”

1 Corinthians 9:14
In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel.


if your not tithing your missing out, I sure hope your giving in other capacities a lot more then a measly 10% anyhows

 

[Samson2020]

Also how does God send you to people? I have wondered about this myself, would like God to send me to people.

Think of Ananias. Acts 9:10-17
John 10:27 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:"
He just simply speaks to you internally and says go do this or go do that. Sometimes it's as simple as go pray for him, whom you just saw. Sometimes its go to
this church and observe, sometimes its look at these verses then go to the bible study and what they're having trouble with, the verses he had you look at are the
answers to their problems. Sometimes its go speak to someone and tell them this and you do and watch what he does in their life. It is quite remarkable but the
Lord doesn't just keep having us do things as he must mature and finish our faith and that requires just simple worship in truth and spirit, time spent.

As far as local church goes I have yet to find one that teaches truth where I live. There were certain times when Paul was in prison or in the desert, about half his life
after salvation and was unable to be with other believers and this was by the design of God. The same can be said of Johns exile on Patmos, where he received his
greatest revelation from the Lord. So being alone is not really by my design it is to raise you up into a higher faith that doesn't require group support.

My faith is in God and his ability to call whomever and add to the church as he wills. Whether or not I am involved in that process is up to him.
I am at rest in the Lord.
Besides there are plenty of folks here that are like Iron and they will sharpen you. I think thats why we stay here to sharpen and to be sharpened.
Nothing wrong with having your doctrine challenged to see if it will stand up to scripture or not.

 

[PloughBoy]

Think of Ananias. Acts 9:10-17
John 10:27 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:"
He just simply speaks to you internally and says go do this or go do that. Sometimes it's as simple as go pray for him, whom you just saw. Sometimes its go to
this church and observe, sometimes its look at these verses then go to the bible study and what they're having trouble with, the verses he had you look at are the
answers to their problems. Sometimes its go speak to someone and tell them this and you do and watch what he does in their life. It is quite remarkable but the
Lord doesn't just keep having us do things as he must mature and finish our faith and that requires just simple worship in truth and spirit, time spent.

As far as local church goes I have yet to find one that teaches truth where I live. There were certain times when Paul was in prison or in the desert, about half his life
after salvation and was unable to be with other believers and this was by the design of God. The same can be said of Johns exile on Patmos, where he received his
greatest revelation from the Lord. So being alone is not really by my design it is to raise you up into a higher faith that doesn't require group support.

My faith is in God and his ability to call whomever and add to the church as he wills. Whether or not I am involved in that process is up to him.
I am at rest in the Lord.
Besides there are plenty of folks here that are like Iron and they will sharpen you. I think thats why we stay here to sharpen and to be sharpened.
Nothing wrong with having your doctrine challenged to see if it will stand up to scripture or not.

She will find out! Hehehe! The weapons in this place, are "Sharper than a Double edge sword" in this place" and if you are not careful, you will cut yourself". If you are not well skilled, you will be! And if you just happen to get cut, don't worried, because there is plenty of "Healing Oil" in this place! And it feels so good, you do not mind getting cut again.

 

[Trevor]

Ok but why wouldn’t you want to join a local church ? Churches are discussed in great detail in the NT. If you didn’t need to belong to a church why would Paul talk about not neglecting to meet as is the habit of some or even the church order. Of course you can be a born again believer and cut yourself from the local church of believers. The lost need a church of believers to be a beacon of light. If every Christian thought to be a loner wolf, where would the church be today? Yes born again Christians are a part of the church of Christ AND also there is an organizing on earth of churches that meet together as described in NT.
There are corrupt churches but there are also healthy churches that follow the NT.
Why would Paul discuss organized religion and give instructions on it if it weren’t important? How do you read that NT and conclude you don’t need to support organized church? Who says you can’t be in a church and also have the Holy Spirit teach you ? My guess is you just haven’t found a church that you fit in. Which I think the key is to keep searching and God will put you in a group where you fit. But the local church is important.
Also Trevor can you give

Hi Jazmine, I have been a pastor for the past thirty six years, It started when I read James 5:16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. the prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective. Back in those days I was somewhat naive. I had many problems, my marriage was all but on the rocks, and I was in a mess. I read this scripture and resolved at the next prayer meeting to confess my sins. The problem was, the gentle hearts of those in the church were not able to deal with the sin of one like me. It shocked them and altered the way they reacted with me, in fact it became impossible and I left. Most of the people I knew were street people with the calibre of sin that was shocking to the gentle souls of the Methodist church. however we started to meet in my house. the fellowship grew, and when it got to a fair size I was asked to lead it. I approached a local evangelical church that had befriended us and they laid hands on me for ministry. Our fellowship continued for eight years, until the Lord brought it to an end, since then we have been a family fellowship and enjoy that status. As for giving, that is our main ministry.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I came to a strong conclusion that tithing is a mandate from God.

Then, by all means, TITHE in the FAITH that it's righteous to do so. Romans 14 governs.

 

[Nicola Jane]

Its is always good to give as you are able or tithe

Trevor its so lovely how you have a home fellowship you are a Blessed family man of God and it shines through

I like this wesley quote

Do all the good you can
by all the means you can
in all the ways you can
in all the places you can
at all the times you can
to all the people you can
as long as ever you can

there are so many needs in this world just giving a big hug sometimes is just right
some times a cup of tea and a shoulder to cry on is good
a prayer offered for a hurting soul is beautifull and priceless
All to the Glory of God x
just my bit x

 

[Dave M]

if your not giving you are the one missing out !!! @Trevor thanks for sharing brother !!

You know most on this board are most likely considered rich according to wordly standards. To much who has been given much is required.

Show me a mans check book and I will show you wear that mans heart is.

the question becomes are you storing up wealth here on earth or in heaven??


Matthew 6:19-20
“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal.