Tithing

[Trevor]

if your not giving you are the one missing out !!! @Trevor thanks for sharing brother !!

You know most on this board are most likely considered rich according to wordly standards. To much who has been given much is required.

Show me a mans check book and I will show you wear that mans heart is.

the question becomes are you storing up wealth here on earth or in heaven??


Matthew 6:19-20
“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal.

If I'd wanted wealth Dave, I certainly would have chosen a more lucrative profession than street music. Street music enables me to witness my faith and I know that it's the profession that God would have me do.

 

[Dave M]

If I'd wanted wealth Dave, I certainly would have chosen a more lucrative profession than street music. Street music enables me to witness my faith and I know that it's the profession that God would have me do.

sounds like you are storing up real wealth to me. Give me spirtual wealth or earthly wealth any day.

i

 

[Trevor]

sounds like you are storing up real wealth to me. Give me spirtual wealth or earthly wealth any day.

i

I have a blessed life Dave, I lead a Christian family, 3 daughters and a son and we brought them up in the faith. Jesse my son has pulled away but we are told that if we bring our children up in the ways of the Lord, they will never depart from them and we stand on that. Anyway Jesse (my son) has a friend who was diagnosed with cancer and we prayed for him, the cancer disapeared. That's got him thinking! In the lockdown, my daughter Ruth was bringing our groceries and she refused the money for them, that went for all our kids and even my grand-daughter, although she will probably be around for a bit of help when she runs out of money. Helen, my wife who keeps the family purse is first port of call if anybody is skint. Yes Dave we have wealth people dream of, faith, love, goodness, kindness and we live within it and we love it and the God who blesses us with it. bless you.

 

[Trevor]

Hi Trevor,
Mathew 5:18 - or verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all is fulfilled.

Jesus said that knowing He was going to fulfill and end the Law of Moses on the Cross.

Sorry Rockerduck, the scripture you posted says 'till heaven and earth pass away' I woke up this morning and it was still here.

 

[Rockerduck]

HI Trevor,
" Sorry Rockerduck, the scripture you posted says 'till heaven and earth pass away' I woke up this morning and it was still here"

I'm sure Jewish people are still following parts of the Law, but as Christians under Grace, it is fulfilled.

Galatians 5 TLB- So Christ has made us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and don’t get all tied up again in the chains of slavery to Jewish laws and ceremonies. 2 Listen to me, for this is serious: if you are counting on circumcision and keeping the Jewish laws to make you right with God, then Christ cannot save you. 3 I’ll say it again. Anyone trying to find favor with God by being circumcised must always obey every other Jewish law or perish. 4 Christ is useless to you if you are counting on clearing your debt to God by keeping those laws; you are lost from God’s grace.

Galatians 5:14 KJV - For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Romans 6 :14-15 - For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace. 15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!

Romans 10:4 GNB - For Christ has brought the Law to an end, so that everyone who believes is put right with God.

 

[Trevor]

HI Trevor,
" Sorry Rockerduck, the scripture you posted says 'till heaven and earth pass away' I woke up this morning and it was still here"

I'm sure Jewish people are still following parts of the Law, but as Christians under Grace, it is fulfilled.

Galatians 5 TLB- So Christ has made us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and don’t get all tied up again in the chains of slavery to Jewish laws and ceremonies. 2 Listen to me, for this is serious: if you are counting on circumcision and keeping the Jewish laws to make you right with God, then Christ cannot save you. 3 I’ll say it again. Anyone trying to find favor with God by being circumcised must always obey every other Jewish law or perish. 4 Christ is useless to you if you are counting on clearing your debt to God by keeping those laws; you are lost from God’s grace.

Galatians 5:14 KJV - For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Romans 6 :14-15 - For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace. 15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!

Romans 10:4 GNB - For Christ has brought the Law to an end, so that everyone who believes is put right with God.

Tell me Rockerduck, does the Lord ever talk to you and ask of you? and if he does, do you do it? if so, what would you advise me to do if he asks me to do something?

 

[Brother Paul]

I find it strange that many Christians seem to think that the old testament is no longer relevant, even though the whole history of our faith and the law of God are found there. Not to mention the books of wisdom and prophesy, perhaps it's just the scriptures that call us to share our wealth with God that causes people to remember that there is an old and new testament. In the book of Malachi, God accuses man of robbing him, and offers a deal. Fill his store house, and see if he doesn't pour out so much blessing that we will not be able to contain it. Then to press the point he challenges us to test him in this. I can't see why anyone would not wish to put him to the test and see if he doesn't, indeed, pour out his blessings. If he does, we receive abundant blessings, if not we've lost a few quid. It's a no brainer. Helen and I have tithed since the early nineties and we have been blessed beyond measure. No one will ever convince me that tithing, not only honours God, but also blesses many needy people. The blessings have been such that if we run out of tithes we'll use our own money where it is needed. We find that whatever we do, we are never left without our needs.

It is not the Old Testament that is irrelevant for followers of Jesus it is that the Old Covenant is irrelevant....we have a new one....conform to that. The old Covenant tithe (which was every 3 years) was to support the Priesthood and assist the poor. Taxes in this days were an obligation to an occupation government and their selfish greed for their own self satiation and self gratification and self glorification...and taxes were expected from the Priesthood as well. Today our Clergy are paid well (in most cases) and pay NO taxes, OUR taxes and offerings assist the poor. Each day from our loaves and fishes we provide meals to millions, medical attention, school, and much much more....finally read the conclusion of the council in Acts...what are we OBLIGATED to do....then read MAtthew 25:31 on to see what Christ Himself deems important....Shalom in the mighty shem of Jesus

 

[Trevor]

It is not the Old Testament that is irrelevant for followers of Jesus it is that the Old Covenant is irrelevant....we have a new one....conform to that. The old Covenant tithe (which was every 3 years) was to support the Priesthood and assist the poor. Taxes in this days were an obligation to an occupation government and their selfish greed for their own self satiation and self gratification and self glorification...and taxes were expected from the Priesthood as well. Today our Clergy are paid well (in most cases) and pay NO taxes, OUR taxes and offerings assist the poor. Each day from our loaves and fishes we provide meals to millions, medical attention, school, and much much more....finally read the conclusion of the council in Acts...what are we OBLIGATED to do....then read MAtthew 25:31 on to see what Christ Himself deems important....Shalom in the mighty shem of Jesus

I was asked Paul, I responded and my life changed, do you suggest I ignore what I was asked?

 

[Rockerduck]

Hello Trevor,
"Tell me Rockerduck, does the Lord ever talk to you and ask of you? and if he does, do you do it? if so, what would you advise me to do if he asks me to do something"?

Yes, Yes, and Yes. I won't give details because it is for me. I've heard the spoken voice. I was chosen of God before the foundation of the world for salvation.

Ephesians 1:4 - According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

If the Holy Spirit speaks to you. you will know it. If a sudden thought enters your brain and it grows and festers, you'll know its from God for you the change something in your life or do something, sometimes its puzzling but you'll figure it out. ( like Peter Acts 10:17). Prophetic dreams; you'll know it for sure and will remember it all your life, you will forget other dreams, but not a prophetic dream, because it has meaning for you...

 

[Trevor]

Hello Trevor,
"Tell me Rockerduck, does the Lord ever talk to you and ask of you? and if he does, do you do it? if so, what would you advise me to do if he asks me to do something"?

Yes, Yes, and Yes. I won't give details because it is for me. I've heard the spoken voice. I was chosen of God before the foundation of the world for salvation.

Ephesians 1:4 - According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

If the Holy Spirit speaks to you. you will know it. If a sudden thought enters your brain and it grows and festers, you'll know its from God for you the change something in your life or do something, sometimes its puzzling but you'll figure it out. ( like Peter Acts 10:17). Prophetic dreams; you'll know it for sure and will remember it all your life, you will forget other dreams, but not a prophetic dream, because it has meaning for you...

Well Rockerduck, the Lord asked me to tithe, I mentioned it to Helen and she felt the Spirit for it. It seems most people on Talk Jesus believe it is wrong. Should I stop tithing, even though I was called to do it?

 

[Rockerduck]

Hi Trevor,

If the Holy Spirit with an inner spoken voice told you to tithe, it means give 10% every three years of all you have. If you felt in the heart a burden to give (and use the word tithe ) then by all means give from your abundance, meaning after all bills are paid and food on the table. You have to test the spirit by the word of God. I've been led astray too, before I learned this.

 

[Trevor]

Hi Trevor,

If the Holy Spirit with an inner spoken voice told you to tithe, it means give 10% every three years of all you have. If you felt in the heart a burden to give (and use the word tithe ) then by all means give from your abundance, meaning after all bills are paid and food on the table. You have to test the spirit by the word of God. I've been led astray too, before I learned this.

The word of God called me to tithe, the Spirit of God confirmed that, and the abundant blessing we have received, as promised, proves that I didn't misunderstand what was said. As you say Rockerduck, we have to test the Spirit.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

What are thoughts on tithing? Is it a mandate to tithe pre-tax/deductions or post tax/deductions? I haven’t found anything in the Bible that is clear about this .
also, any testimonies on tithing?

The tithe was the FIRST FRUITS. That means before anything else was done, the tithe was taken out. That was law...Now being born again, we are free from the law, in that we can fulfill the entire law by keeping two laws...
Matthew 22:37-40
37 He told him, “‘You are to love Adonai your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.’[a] 38 This is the greatest and most important mitzvah (Law). 39 And a second is similar to it, ‘You are to love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All of the Torah and the Prophets are dependent on these two mitzvot (Laws).”
So today, being born again, although we are not bound to tithe, the principle is the same....Give and it will be given to you..... Keep your money, don't support the poor, don't support the preaching of the Word and go broke.

 

[JerryfromMass]

2 Corinthians 9:6-7: "The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."

Give what you are able to give, and give always to the glory of God, and praise HIS name for blessing you with the ability to give what you can. Amen.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

2 Corinthians 9:6-7: "The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."

Give what you are able to give, and give always to the glory of God, and praise HIS name for blessing you with the ability to give what you can. Amen.

You got that right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Gregoryp]

here it is explained in an understandable way.

 

[Dave M]

you reap what you sow, we here in America have been blessed with great wealth, if your not investing in the kingdom with your money your missing out, Gods kingdom does not need your money, its a privledge to invest into the kingdom.

 

[Brother Paul]

Just beware of greedy Televanelists who in the bottom line are using Jesus to acquire filthy lucre....I know of one (whom I will not name here) whom has a multi-million dollar mega church and themselves have MILLIONS of dollars that will not help out any of their flock (some of whom are hurting). One example I am thinking of regards a woman who served their Church for nearly 50 years...tithed faithfully....was hospitalized and needed a little assistance (about 3 or 4 thousand dollars) to get her household through....so she naturally asked her pastor if the Church could help...she was flatly denied. She asked if she could borrow it and she would pat it back and he sent her a legal team with contracts at an exorbitant interest rate with threat of penalty for non-payment according to his plan...well it turned out she was dying and amidst her family grieving the lawyers again showed up with an assistant pastor insisting she should really consider giving her estate to the church....this same pastor received millions in a Covid grant and took his Fam on a classy Vaca for 2 weeks in the new personal jet he just purchased,

Tithing is fine (though Jesus never mentions it for the New Covenant people, neither does James and Jerusalem council and no apostle taught it) be careful...the devil can appear as an angel of light and minister of righteousness.

 

[B-A-C]

never mentions it for the New Covenant people, neither does James and Jerusalem council and no apostle taught it

It is mentioned in Heb 7:4-9;

 

[Brother Paul]

It is mentioned in Heb 7:4-9;

As pertains to Abraham...not the New Co

It is mentioned in Heb 7:4-9;

But not for New Covenant believers