Tribulation Outtakes

[Beetow]

Rev 16:17-18 predicts a global earthquake so powerful on the Richter scale that
cities all over the world will collapse at once.

Something like 2,829 lost their lives when the World Trade Center was demolished
by a terrorist attack in 2001. Well that was only a few acres of New York City. Just
imagine the body count when all of Manhattan comes down at once. along with
other major cities like Los Angeles, San Francisco, Mexico City, Paris, Moscow,
Beijing, Tokyo, et al. The carnage will be beyond belief; and a great many of the
dead will be infants and underage children.

* The Bible says that we should consider not only God's benevolence, but also His
severity. (Rom 11:22) Folks in the tribulation will be dealing with a someone in
control far more terrifying than even the tyrants of North Korea, Communist China,
Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and the awful regimes in Africa.

● Heb 12:29 . . For our God is a consuming fire.

That's a quote from Deut 4:24 which, in context, doesn't describe God's physical
characteristics, rather, it's a figure of speech illustrating rage: defined by Webster's
as violent and uncontrolled anger. It's hard to imagine Christianity's divine patron
ticked off to that extent, but there it is.

A consuming fire is one that cannot be extinguished, i.e. once it gets going, there's
no stopping till all that's aflame is utterly destroyed, viz: an unquenchable
conflagration.
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[Beetow]

● Rev 16:21 . . And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone
about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of
the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

* Talents were gross units of gold weighing from 75-100 pounds. That would be a
preposterous amount of gold to own in our day when it's current market value is
roughly $1,900 an ounce, but wasn't so bad back there when it was strictly money
instead of traded as a commodity. Gold coins were common, but try to find one in
somebody's pocket today.

Dropping lumps of ice that size from the sky all over the globe will be like a deadly
implosion smashing, bashing, and crushing most everything it touches: homes,
barns, super markets, strip malls, sports arenas, theaters, forests, pastures, crops,
vehicles, etc. Noah's rainfall was likely pretty destructive too, but not like this. That
was at least liquid; this will be solid.

The natural world will surely experience significant damage among the critters who
live above ground, e.g. hogs, deer, elk, ducks, geese, turkeys, cows, mustangs,
monkeys, gorillas, lions, tigers, hyenas, elephants, giraffes, butterflies, moths,
tortoises, etc.

Just imagine being caught out in the open when that hail starts. Finding adequate
shelter from such a bombardment of ice will be very difficult and no doubt
frightened people will be shrieking and screaming in mortal panic.

Curiously, numbers of people will know the hail is from God but it won't persuade
them to consider making peace with Him, instead; the hail will just make 'em
angry.
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[Beetow]

● Rev 19:19-21 . .Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies
gathered together to make war against the rider on the horse and his army. But the
beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the
miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had
received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image.

. . .The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. The rest
of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the
horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

The potent weapon proceeding from that person's mouth is speech; which causes
me to wonder why more people weren't afraid of Jesus back in his day because if
by speech he could cure leprosy then by speech he could've caused someone to
come down with leprosy; and if by speech he could energize a crippled man's legs,
then by speech he could've put somebody in a wheel chair; and if by speech he
could restore someone's corpse to life, then by speech he could've made people
drop dead to the floor; and if by speech he could cure blindness, then by speech he
could've put people's eyes out; and if by speech he could multiply loaves and
fishes, then by speech he could've caused famine; and if by speech he could calm a
storm, then by speech he could've caused a hurricane, a typhoon, and/or a
tornado.

David's combat with Goliath was an encounter that was possible for David to win;
but I see no chance of anybody's success in a fight with Christ when he has at his
disposal all the miraculous abilities of the supreme being who, according to the
book of Genesis, created a fully functioning cosmos-- all its forms of life, matter,
and energy --by nothing more than His voice.
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[Bill]

● Rev 19:19-21 . .Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies
gathered together to make war against the rider on the horse and his army. But the
beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the
miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had
received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image.

. . .The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. The rest
of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the
horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

The potent weapon proceeding from that person's mouth is speech; which causes
me to wonder why more people weren't afraid of Jesus back in his day because if
by speech he could cure leprosy then by speech he could've caused someone to
come down with leprosy; and if by speech he could energize a crippled man's legs,
then by speech he could've put somebody in a wheel chair; and if by speech he
could restore someone's corpse to life, then by speech he could've made people
drop dead to the floor; and if by speech he could cure blindness, then by speech he
could've put people's eyes out; and if by speech he could multiply loaves and
fishes, then by speech he could've caused famine; and if by speech he could calm a
storm, then by speech he could've caused a hurricane, a typhoon, and/or a
tornado.

David's combat with Goliath was an encounter that was possible for David to win;
but I see no chance of anybody's success in a fight with Christ when he has at his
disposal all the miraculous abilities of the supreme being who, according to the
book of Genesis, created a fully functioning cosmos-- all its forms of life, matter,
and energy --by nothing more than His voice.
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The Sword that comes from the mouth is the Word of God

 

[Beetow]

God's patience is long-suffering. However, He's wise enough to know when to say
when and to stop throwing good money after bad, so to speak. For example:

● 2Thess 2:11-12 . . God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe
the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had
pleasure in unrighteousness.

In other words: there's coming a time when God's patience will reach its reasonable
limits, and He will purposely, willfully, and deliberately make sure that a certain
category of people during the Tribulation have no chance whatsoever to be spared
the wrath of God.

Back when Noah was preparing the ark, no doubt his neighbors all mocked and
poked fun at him as if he were a deranged soul going around with a sandwich board
that reads: Repent; The End Is Near! But when the rain started, I bet those very
same neighbors panicked and tried to get Noah to open up and let them in. But
even had Noah wanted to; he couldn't. The hatch of the ark was sealed from the
outside: and God was the only one on earth who could open it-- He chose not to.

● Rev 1:18 . . I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive
forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.

● Rev 3:7 . .These are the words of him who is holy and true: who holds the key of
David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.
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[Bill]

God's patience is long-suffering. However, He's wise enough to know when to say
when and to stop throwing good money after bad, so to speak. For example:

● 2Thess 2:11-12 . . God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe
the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had
pleasure in unrighteousness.

In other words: there's coming a time when God's patience will reach its reasonable
limits, and He will purposely, willfully, and deliberately make sure that a certain
category of people during the Tribulation have no chance whatsoever to be spared
the wrath of God.

Back when Noah was preparing the ark, no doubt his neighbors all mocked and
poked fun at him as if he were a deranged soul going around with a sandwich board
that reads: Repent; The End Is Near! But when the rain started, I bet those very
same neighbors panicked and tried to get Noah to open up and let them in. But
even had Noah wanted to; he couldn't. The hatch of the ark was sealed from the
outside: and God was the only one on earth who could open it-- He chose not to.

● Rev 1:18 . . I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive
forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.

● Rev 3:7 . .These are the words of him who is holy and true: who holds the key of
David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.
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n other words: there's coming a time when God's patience will reach its reasonable
limits, and He will purposely, willfully, and deliberately make sure that a certain
category of people during the Tribulation have no chance whatsoever to be spared
the wrath of God.

This is a false statement because God has no limits.

What God does have, and what he's going to do, is bring down his just judgment in his love. Because it's the love of God that will judge the world. It's not anger and not hate that will judge the world but God's love

 

[Beetow]

● Rev 19:11-16 . . I saw heaven opened; and behold, a white horse, and He who
sat upon it is called Faithful and True; and in righteousness He judges and wages
war. And His eyes are a flame of fire, and upon His head are many diadems; and
He has a name written upon Him which no one knows except Himself. And He is
clothed with a robe dipped in blood; and His name is called The Word of God.

. . . And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean,
were following Him on white horses. And from His mouth comes a sharp sword, so
that with it He may smite the nations; and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and
He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty. And on His robe
and on His thigh He has a name written, "King of Kings, and Lord of Lords."

* The winepress mentioned in that verse appears in Isa 63:1-6, and again in Rev
14:19-20.

The fierce wrath of God is interesting. For example:

● Isa 13:9 . . Behold, the day of The Lord comes-- cruel; with both wrath and fierce
anger.

The Hebrew word for "wrath" in that statement is pertains to an outburst of
passion. In other words: the wrath of God won't be weeping big wet crocodile tears
while it's slamming the dead at the Great White Throne event depicted at Rev
20:11-15; no, they will be terminated with extreme prejudice; viz: their judgment
will be administered with choler.

Webster's defines "fierce" as a behavior exhibited by humans and animals that
inspires terror because of the wild and menacing aspect of fury in attack. Ferocity is
an aspect commonly seen among carnivorous beasts savagely attacking prey.
There's neither sportsmanship nor sympathy in ferocity; only sheer terror, brutality,
and blood lust.

"cruel" is defined as: disposed to inflict pain or suffering; viz: devoid of humane
feelings

● Heb 10:27 . . A certain fearful expectation of . . . fiery indignation

"fiery indignation" is quite a bit more severe than ordinary indignation. It speaks of
someone who is seriously ticked off; and so angry that they're actually red in the
face.

There are people out there in pews all around the world who have been so coddled
by sappy versions of Christianity that they have no concept of the magnitude of the
lethal tsunami of rage and violence coming their way to get them.
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[Beetow]

● Luke 21:25 . .There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth,
nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea.

I'd imagine that folks obsessed with climate change would find the roaring and
tossing of the sea a useful political advantage. But of course down the road when
that actually takes place, climate change will likely lose much of the popularity it
currently enjoys as people will no doubt be far more interested in survival than
politics.

● Luke 21:25 . . Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the
world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken.

That will be a very dangerous time for elder citizens as anxiety attacks can be fatal
for folks in advanced age.
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[B-A-C]

Rev 6:14; The sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15; Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16; and they *said to the mountains and to the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb;
Rev 6:17; for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?"

I wonder if even death by suicide will be an elusive thing to find in those times.

 

[Bill]

● Luke 21:25 . .There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth,
nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea.

I'd imagine that folks obsessed with climate change would find the roaring and
tossing of the sea a useful political advantage. But of course down the road when
that actually takes place, climate change will likely lose much of the popularity it
currently enjoys as people will no doubt be far more interested in survival than
politics.

● Luke 21:25 . . Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the
world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken.

That will be a very dangerous time for elder citizens as anxiety attacks can be fatal
for folks in advanced age.
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I have a question, if Christions ( bible readers) believe they are all going in the rapture, to whom are these words written to?

 

[Beetow]

I have a question, if Christions ( bible readers) believe they are all going in the
rapture

Webster's defines a Christian as somebody who professes belief in the teachings of
Jesus Christ.

According to that definition; it isn't necessary for someone to actually believe in
Christ's teachings in order to qualify as a Christian; it's only necessary for them to
say they do.

People don't even have to know what Christ's teachings are; they only have to say
they believe in them.

Nor is it necessary for people to put Christ's teachings into practice in order to
qualify as a Christian; it's only necessary to say they believe in them.

Obviously then, not everyone we might think of as a Christian will be taken up to
meet the Lord in the air per 1Thess 4:13-17.

to whom are these words written to?

Revelation's primary target audience is "his servants" (Rev 1:1) and apparently
the secondary target is "whosoever" (Rev 22:17)
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[Bill]

Webster's defines a Christian as somebody who professes belief in the teachings of
Jesus Christ.

According to that definition; it isn't necessary for someone to actually believe in
Christ's teachings in order to qualify as a Christian; it's only necessary for them to
say they do.

People don't even have to know what Christ's teachings are; they only have to say
they believe in them.

Nor is it necessary for people to put Christ's teachings into practice in order to
qualify as a Christian; it's only necessary to say they believe in them.

Obviously then, not everyone we might think of as a Christian will be taken up to
meet the Lord in the air per 1Thess 4:13-17.

Revelation's primary target audience is "his servants" (Rev 1:1) and apparently
the secondary target is "whosoever" (Rev 22:17)
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If Talk Jesus ever had an award for evasive question answering you would be number one

 

[Bill]

Beetow is funny, rather than answer my question. He hides under an umbrella of self righteousness and blocks me. Lol

 

[Bill]

Rev 6:14; The sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15; Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16; and they *said to the mountains and to the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb;
Rev 6:17; for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?"

I wonder if even death by suicide will be an elusive thing to find in those times.

I do not know, it is a good question. But i do know , the Great Day of the Lord is coming. There is nothing now that can stop it. People who pray for God's mercy to the world are very few. ( even Christians in general do not believe God hears individuals.) That is sad really .

There are things in motion, even now. That have been planned ( by men)

 

[twcstp]

God most certainly hears individuals and will show Himself openly for His purposes.

 

[Twistie]

Well for my part i hope you will be walking by yourself

““I have said these things to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.

Well if ya ain't gone through none how can ya claim ur His?


Twistie

 

[Twistie]

Excellent

even though Noah, Daniel, and Job were in it, as I live,” says the Lord GOD, “they would deliver neither son nor daughter; they would deliver only themselves by their righteousness.”

That's pride thinking u can save anyone we can't even save ourselves frfr

Js

He that is unjust, let him be unjust still; and he that is filthy, let him be filthy still; and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still; and he that is holy, let him be holy still.”

Twistie

 

[Twistie]

You see this is all part of discernment of the Holy Spirit, now you only make a mockery of everything that is said here by your foolishness. You're just going to dig yourself a hole basically

If one don't find themselves in Him they will continue to run amok in the false light sadly

Twistie

 

[Beetow]

● Rev 8:1 . .When he opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for
about half an hour.

A reason for the silence isn't given, but I suspect the one in charge will be thinking
about what He has to do next, and reluctant to bring it on; because the next round
of horror will be devastating beyond belief-- and once started, won't be stopped.

● Ezek 18:23 . . Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die-- saith the
Lord God --and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
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[Beetow]

Matt 3:29 is often said to be "the" unpardonable sin. There are others; for
example the mark of the Beast is lethal too.

● Rev 14:9-11 . . And another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with
a loud voice: If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a
mark on his forehead or upon his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the
wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he
will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels
and in the presence of the Lamb.

. . . And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; and they
have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and
whoever receives the mark of his name.

The world saw a sort of "mark of the beast" during the Covid 19 pandemic.
In some areas folks risked the loss of their jobs, their careers, and their
licenses to practice for refusing to accept a Covid vacc, and shoppers had to
show proof of inoculation before they could even enter a store to purchase
basic necessities. So we can be fairly certain the passage below is at the
very least quite plausible.

● Rev 13:16-17 . . And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich
and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their
right hand, or on their forehead, and he provides that no one should be able
to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the
beast or the number of his name.
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