Turning my back on Christ.

[Fellowservant]

Mathew 6 24"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.

Isnt Jesus telling me its one or the other?

Can man live with GOD alone? Or does he need money to survive?

Jesus told me that a man with riches cannot enter the Kingdom. Well he says its easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. This would be impossible.


GOD bless.
Your brother in Christ,
Brendan.

Hi brother: What this is saying is that you can't serve money, haveing a job is not serving money. Money is needed to live here in this life, Paul the Apostle was a tent maker, and he tells one Church that he worked with his own hands, and wasn't useing the Gospel to its full extent. So no, we can have a job and lots of money, as long as we are following Christ and Gods word.


Christ here above in your quote, is refering to rich unbelievers, not the rich saints...he also says it is impossible with men, but not with God. All things are possible with God, if a rich man puts his faith in him...

There were rich men who served God with all thier heart...King Solomon was rich as were other old testament kings of Israel. And so were some of the early saints, the rich saints were told to be ready to distribute... and be rich in good works, plus they were also required to not put their trust in uncertain riches, thats all.

Read below brother, we are also required to use the word of God as our guide, not our own understanding: So be patient, and study the word with prayer, all your questions are in the bible brother...but if you have anymore questions, about some of the hard to understand scriptures in the word, we are here to share them with you...


1Timothy 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy
1Timothy 6:18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;
1Timothy 6:19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

God bless brother

 

[lindadc]

Dear Dreamer ,

I am really touched with what you have written . was young, energetic, and had a lot of things going for me (like you, Cognitive). But I didn't want to live. The Lord spoke to me there on the back porch. He simply said, "Did heaven die for you?"

I answered, "No, Jesus did."

"Then live....for Him," the Lord said.__________________


You are indeed beautiful inside , Dreamer . The Lord is with you and your family .
Jesus is our provider . HE is our healer and a wonderful teacher .

LOOK UP TO JESUS

 

[Cognitive]

Money is needed to live here in this life.

Fellowservant I believe we could live without money, and our lives would be filled with Love from GOD.

For example if Jesus was calling me to live this way, and tomorrow instead of driving my car to work. I followed him through these gates. Now everything I needed came from GOD. I looked not to the world and its money any longer. Where would I stumble, and at what point would I need money?

So I dont think the statement is from GOD, or should I say the spirit hasnt shown it to me yet. If its the spirit which is beside me at the moment, it says.

"Money is needed to live in this world."


1Timothy 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy

Tell those rich in this world, with gold and silver. That they not put these riches before GOD. Not to put thier trust in this dead currency. For this leads to death, Its greed and vanity. Let them put thier trust in the living GOD, who gives us all we need, to enjoy.

1Timothy 6:18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;

That they do GODs will, and that they love it, ready to share what God gives them, ready to talk and learn about his way.


1Timothy 6:19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

That they spend thier time, in his perfect creation, his rock. Not the world, for the worlds end is to come. If they live this way, then they will hold on to eternal life with him.

God Bless,
Your brother in Christ
Brendan.

 

[Fellowservant]

Money is needed to live here in this life.
Fellowservant I believe we could live without money, and our lives would be filled with Love from GOD.
For example if Jesus was calling me to live this way, and tomorrow instead of driving my car to work. I followed him through these gates. Now everything I needed came from GOD. I looked not to the world and its money any longer. Where would I stumble, and at what point would I need money?

God Bless,
Your brother in Christ
Brendan.

Yes you can live without money but you would have to live like John the baptist, the saints are not called to live like John. And what about your family, will they also live like John the baptist? We are here to live a peacefull life with one another doing our own business and spreading Gods word to the lost as much as possible. God takes care of his people, even Jesus had money... Judas was carrying it. You would need money to take care of your family brother, if any man cares not for his own, he is worst than an unbeliever. Read the word brother, and pray for understanding, or this Christian thing is gonna get confusing. And what version bible are you useing?

God bless

 

[Fellowservant]

Newer versions of the bible are supposed to give the believer a better understanding of Gods word. Whatever version your using is gonna confuse you more than the KJV. I suggest you get an NIV version and study what its trying to say brother. Or read commentarys, so some of this confusion will be gone. Unless you are one of the two witnesses of the book of revelation, (and i highly doubt you are) God is not telling you or gonna tell you, to live with no money. We are not in the great tribulation yet, the Antichrist will force many saints to live with no money, or make it basicly useless for them without a mark to buy and sell, not God.

Edit...ok i missed where you said (for example)


But that is just that... an example, like i said before brother don't lean on your own understanding, or go off in the wild blue yonder with examples. We have the word of God as our roadmap, and the spirit bears witness to it. So follow Gods word and reject any spirit that contradicts it. If i were you i would read the epistles to the church and not take every thing Christ said to his deciples at face value, meaning that you also need to leave your home and family and preach the Gospel like the deciples did... Paul did this also, but Paul was called to do this and seen a vision of Christ himself.
Maybe God is just telling you to change Jobs? I mean i dont know, you tell me...

God bless

 

[Cognitive]

Fellowservant,
You would need money to take care of your family brother, if any man cares not for his own, he is worst than an unbeliever.
Isnt it through Love that I want to take my family from this world, to his?

Please give me an example of what we would need money for. For if this is the Spirit upon me, telling me I need it not, and there is something I would need it for, then it cannot be his will. It must be another message. Thank you all for your kind thoughts.

I believe that my family and I, also each of GODs creation would fit perfectly in his Kingdom without money. Do the birds need money? Or is GOD alone enough for them? Then how much more are you and I more important than those birds, for it is written,

26Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?

I speak not for myself or my family. GOD provides for everything he created. I dont see myself alone living this way, but it streches to the ends of the earth. Each and everyman who wishes to do GODs will, lives how he intended us to, this to me is true worship. I dont want to waste my time building on this man made system. For it is written,

2 Corinthians 5
Our Heavenly Dwelling
1Now we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands. 2Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling, 3because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked. 4For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

Maybe the Spirit has shown me what is to come if I truly deny myself and follow him?

I have a King James Bible, a GOOD NEWS bible and a pocket NIV bible. I gave my GOOD NEWS bible to a friend it was the first that came to me. The KJV was a gift which I have only read my favourite parts, Ecclesiastes, Proverbs and the New Testament. The NIV is the one I turn to mostly as its always by my side. I also find it easier to explain to people who are far from GOD using this version. At times I will compare it to the KJV as I beleive it is closer to GOD.

God Bless
Brendan

 

[Cognitive]

I turn to my NIV after reading your post, open it randomly and this is what I read,

Matthew 13
The Parable of the Sower
1That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. 2Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. 3Then he told them many things in parables, saying: "A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9He who has ears, let him hear."
10The disciples came to him and asked, "Why do you speak to the people in parables?"

11He replied, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 13This is why I speak to them in parables:
"Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand. 14In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
" 'You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15For this people's heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.'[a] 16But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.

18"Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path. 20The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away. 22The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful. 23But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown."

The Parable of the Weeds
24Jesus told them another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.
27"The owner's servants came to him and said, 'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?'

28" 'An enemy did this,' he replied.
"The servants asked him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?'

29" 'No,' he answered, 'because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.' "

The Parables of the Mustard Seed and the Yeast
31He told them another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field. 32Though it is the smallest of all your seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and perch in its branches."
33He told them still another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like yeast that a woman took and mixed into a large amount of flour until it worked all through the dough."

34Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable. 35So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet:
"I will open my mouth in parables,
I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world."[c]

The Parable of the Weeds Explained
36Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, "Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field."
37He answered, "The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. 38The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.

40"As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

The Parables of the Hidden Treasure and the Pearl
44"The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field.
45"Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant looking for fine pearls. 46When he found one of great value, he went away and sold everything he had and bought it.

The Parable of the Net
47"Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. 48When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. 49This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous 50and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
51"Have you understood all these things?" Jesus asked.
"Yes," they replied.

52He said to them, "Therefore every teacher of the law who has been instructed about the kingdom of heaven is like the owner of a house who brings out of his storeroom new treasures as well as old."

I dont want to miss the gathering because I live a worldy life.
Everything in my mind leads to his world over this system, and he wants me to live there.

Even as I click new posts to share this with you I read Dreamers thread and again the spirit through the prophet Isiah speaks to me and says,

Isaiah 62:3,4--You will be a glorious crown in the Lord's hand, and a royal diadem in the palm of your God. You will no longer be called Deserted, and your land will not be called Desolate; instead, you will be called "My Delight is in Her, and your land Married; for the Lord delights in you.

This also says the same thing to me, Jesus wants me to leave this world and be a crown upon his world. In the palm of GOD. This Kingdom. Then I will no longer be called worldly, but Godly. I will be one with him. For I love him and I would be delighted to live in his Kingdom he created for me, and invited me in, and he loves me.

Each part of GODs word I read, I seem to get the same message? Every moment I am not reading he speaks to me about the Kingdom when we travel upon this world. Comparing this system to his.

Am I reading the message wrong because my mind has been on this Kingdom for too long?

 

[Fellowservant]

Fellowservant,
You would need money to take care of your family brother, if any man cares not for his own, he is worst than an unbeliever.

Isnt it through Love that I want to take my family from this world, to his?

Please give me an example of what we would need money for. For if this is the Spirit upon me, telling me I need it not, and there is something I would need it for, then it cannot be his will. It must be another message.

Thank you all for your kind thoughts.
I believe that my family and I, also each of GODs creation would fit perfectly in his Kingdom without money. Do the birds need money? Or is GOD alone enough for them? Then how much more are you and I more important than those birds, for it is written,
26Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?
God Bless
Brendan

Are you trying to say that Christ is saying here we dont need money? well he's not brother.. he is just saying God will supply all our needs. The holy spirit didn't tell Jesus that he didn't need money, or should have nothing to do with money, as i said please read it again Christ had money... Judas was carrying the money bad, Christ also was a carpenter and was paid for his work. And we are translated into the kindom of God by faith, and the atonement of Christ , not by lack of money, money or lack of it, has nothing to do with our salvation, if we are in Christ and obeying the good news of his word.



Quote Cognetive

Isnt it through Love that I want to take my family from this world, to his?

For if this is the Spirit upon me, telling me I need it not.

It must be another message

End quote


If you are a born again believer, the kingdom of God is aready in you, you dont need to take yourself out of this world, to be in Christ. We are in this world and the curse of child labor for woman, and work for men is still on us. Only after the return of Christ and his 1000 year rule, will this curse be lifted. And then you will likely not need no money, not before. We live in a time that money is a nessesity of life, we cant even grow our own food with out it. We need money just to buy the seeds.

Brother if anyone here has the wrong message it is not me or the holy spirit, your the one who will not call himself a Christian, and says its alright to lie...not me. And this is a rebuke, you need to follow Gods word and its authority, and not your own revelations...

God bless

 

[Cognitive]

Thank you Fellowservant for your time and patience.

Yet I have never said its alright to lie, and never has GOD, Jesus or the Holy Spirit ever told me this was alright.

I dont ask for you to agree with me, and now you judge me for not calling myself a Christian. Jesus never told me to label myself one. Neither did I find it in GODs word. Only men of the world have told me that I am a Christian. Never my bible. I am taught by Christ to follow him, not men. Only my father can judge me.

Matthew 7
Judging Others
1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

6"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.

You also judge me that this is my own revelation. For it is written,

1 Corinthians 2

"No eye has seen,
no ear has heard,
no mind has conceived
what God has prepared for those who love him"— 10but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit.
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.[c] 14The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
16"For who has known the mind of the Lord
that he may instruct him?"[d] But we have the mind of Christ.

Thank you all for your words, I will ask Jesus for my answers from now on concerning this subject. I will continue to share what he teaches me. If thats his will.

Your loving brother in Christ,
Brendan.

(EDIT Added Mathew 7)

 

[Chad]

Cognitive, let me ask you something

Follower of Christ = Christian

What is so confusing to you about this simple thing? You follow Christ, you are a CHRISTIAN. That is not a label from men as you claim. If you cannot figure out this most basic thing, then please find a proper Holy Bible to read because it seems like your going off in another world of beliefs that are not Scriptural. Sorry, but that is exactly what it seems to most of us reading your posts that seem to wander off.

The Scripture you quoted 1 Corinthians 2 applies to believers of Christ that seek His will and die to self. Its all about Jesus Christ.

I did a simple search for "christian" on Bible Gateway.

1. Acts 11:26
   and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. For a whole year they met with the church and taught a great many people. And in Antioch the disciples were first called Christians.
   Acts 11:25-27 (in Context) Acts 11 (Whole Chapter)
   
   
2. Acts 26:28
   And Agrippa said to Paul, "In a short time would you persuade me to be a Christian?"
   Acts 26:27-29 (in Context) Acts 26 (Whole Chapter)
   
   
3. Romans 12:9
   [ Marks of the True Christian ] Let love be genuine. Abhor what is evil; hold fast to what is good.
   Romans 12:8-10 (in Context) Romans 12 (Whole Chapter)
   
   
4. 2 Corinthians 9:1
   [ The Collection for Christians in Jerusalem ] Now it is superfluous for me to write to you about the ministry for the saints,
   2 Corinthians 9:1-3 (in Context) 2 Corinthians 9 (Whole Chapter)
   
   
5. Colossians 3:18
   [ Rules for Christian Households ] Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
   Colossians 3:17-19 (in Context) Colossians 3 (Whole Chapter)
   
   
6. 1 Peter 4:12
   [ Suffering As a Christian ] Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you.
   1 Peter 4:11-13 (in Context) 1 Peter 4 (Whole Chapter)
   
   
7. 1 Peter 4:16
   Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name.
   1 Peter 4:15-17 (in Context) 1 Peter 4 (Whole Chapter)

 

[Coconut]

Cocunut I believe that the Kingdom is what GOD created at the start of Genesis. I believe it has always been, yet only by follwing GODs law are we allowed to enter.

Following Gods law will not even get you near the gate.
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

I believe it will come again to its perfection with satans ways gone, yet its sill there to live in today, if we have the faith that GOD can provide for us, better than this system.

Yes the kingdom of God will come again to its perfection, but not in the manner you are believing...scripture prophecy tells us exactly how this will happen.

You speak as tho you believe God has nothing to do with the system, yet scripture says God established the system and rules over it.

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

And I ask you, is God not able to provide for His children WITH the system?
Certainly He does and will continue to do so, it all belongs to Him anyways.

I believe that through the teaching of Christ, after asking him to be a part of his Kingdom, that he has finally shown it to me, I believed it was all around me, inside me.
I believe I was born again, when the Holy Spirit came upon me, all my desire to sin had left my spirit. My former self had died, and a new me who had a desire to be like Jesus had begun to work in me.
But my spirit and my flesh are fighting against each other. My spirit wants to live there, my body wont allow it. So if my spirit is urging me to live in GODs perfect Kingdom. Yet my body is stopping me.

Of course your flesh is at war with your spirit, we are told it would be this way as long as we are living in these bodies. Do you think you can run away from your flesh? To where?
Where is Gods Kingdom Brendan? It is within you...and its not possible to run away from yourself...most of us could probably say we`ve tried

If I beleive its GODs will, and have faith in him to provide for me, I trust him totally that all this is true. Yet still dont follow him. What is it that I lack?
Would you understand me more if I referred to it as GODs way to live. Instead of referring to it as the Kingdom?
God bless
Brendan.

I think I understand you better now, but sorry to say I still dont agree with much of what you are saying. Sure, we all envision a better time and place...a perfect world...Genesis and Revelations even tells us what that perfect world was and will be like again. But what the scripture doesnt tell us, is we can 'create' it if we will
just have enough faith to quit relying on this worlds 'system' as you claim to envision.
I have faith in God to provide for me, and I have as much faith He will do it exactly where I am at, and within the system I live in.

I have no issue with you saying you want to go live in your own perfect paradise...many men and women, many monks, and the amish etc. over the centuries have done that. The problem is you are saying you cant be "Gods child", or you are not following "Gods way to live" unless you do that. The scripture does not teach this, plain and simple.

Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Heb 11:32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and [of] Barak, and [of] Samson, and [of] Jephthae; [of] David also, and Samuel, and [of] the prophets:
Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
And others had trial of [cruel] mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
(Of whom the world was not worthy they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

Notice these men of God all had faith.

2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

You might escape the persecutions of this world by leaving behind the system (which Christ said we had to suffer if we wanted to truly know Him) but you wont find the kingdom you are looking for anywheres in this world.

I have one more question for you...
Do you believe that Jesus Christ is coming again?

 

[Coconut]

I have to finish the job asap, I have to cut corners and meet him at a certain time. This means I have to lie to the customer, or lose the customer. It troubles me. "Dont worry" says Jesus "There are no lies in the Kingdom."

Cocunut you say that GOD would be displeased with my actions, yet when I do them he tells me not to worry

Yet I have never said its alright to lie, and never has GOD, Jesus or the Holy Spirit ever told me this was alright.

Brendan, if we have misread you, will you please clarify what you said in the earlier posts.

 

[Cognitive]

Chad

I dont understand this Christian thing. You ask me to read a bible, my bible never asked me to become a christian.

Like you said the poeple of Antioch called them Christians, I dont follow those people.
Agrippa mentioned christian, I dont follow Agrippa. Why didnt Christ mention it, if it is of such importance?

Christ asks me to be his "brother" "freind" "child" They are personal, and feel close. He never asked me to be a Christian, or I would be one.

Who asked you to become a Christian?

Cocunut, I lied I am a sinner. GOD didnt leave me when I lied, He made it clear to me that I was from my father the devil when I lied. He told me I was worldly. He saw that it troubled me, and he comforted me, because he loves me. By saying there were no lies in the Kingdom I thought he meant that as long as I was worldy, I would lie. If I joined him my lies would cease.

By telling me not to worry, is by no means saying it is alright. For worry would kill my judgement and affect my learning.

How can GOD provide for us? Using an evil system?

When his system is perfect?

GOD made this world, he made me, we fit together perfectly, he left nothing out and there is nothing in this system that comes close to GODs world. I have looked at it daily for a long time, with Jesus by my side. There is nothing this system has to offer me. Unless I live as the Devils child. For it is his, its not from GOD.

If you dont see or hear what I am saying Christ has taught me, then now is not the time for you.

Do I believe that Jesus is coming again? Its a hard question as I feel Jesus is with me at all times. Like he has already come, he doesnt mention leaving me at any time.


God Bless
Brendan.

 

[Chad]

Chad

I dont understand this Christian thing. You ask me to read a bible, my bible never asked me to become a christian.

Like you said the poeple of Antioch called them Christians, I dont follow those people.
Agrippa mentioned christian, I dont follow Agrippa. Why didnt Christ mention it, if it is of such importance?

Christ asks me to be his "brother" "freind" "child" They are personal, and feel close. He never asked me to be a Christian, or I would be one.

Who asked you to become a Christian?

Cocunut, I lied I am a sinner. GOD didnt leave me when I lied, He made it clear to me that I was from my father the devil when I lied. He told me I was worldly. He saw that it troubled me, and he comforted me, because he loves me. By saying there were no lies in the Kingdom I thought he meant that as long as I was worldy, I would lie. If I joined him my lies would cease.

By telling me not to worry, is by no means saying it is alright. For worry would kill my judgement and affect my learning.

How can GOD provide for us? Using an evil system?

When his system is perfect?

GOD made this world, he made me, we fit together perfectly, he left nothing out and there is nothing in this system that comes close to GODs world. I have looked at it daily for a long time, with Jesus by my side. There is nothing this system has to offer me. Unless I live as the Devils child. For it is his, its not from GOD.

If you dont see or hear what I am saying Christ has taught me, then now is not the time for you.

Do I believe that Jesus is coming again? Its a hard question as I feel Jesus is with me at all times. Like he has already come, he doesnt mention leaving me at any time.


God Bless
Brendan.

Brendan you are so far off I'm asking you right now to stop preaching false things. This is a rebuke whether you like it or not, you'll need to respect that.

Matthew 16:24
[ Take Up Your Cross and Follow Jesus ] Then Jesus told his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.

The above Scripture is common sense. You follow Christ, your a CHRISTian. That is as most common sense, straightforward you could possibly get.

What bible do you read? I want to know the answer before you go further with your off-Scriptural beliefs.

You mention money is not necessary, then "good luck" to you living without money. Its not going to happen and your deceit is going to hurt you and your family. I'm sorry to say this th blunt way, but that is a pathetic belief anyone could have. It is unrealistic and first of all, money comes from GOD whether you believe it or not. To love money is evil. To have money and use it wisely is NOT evil nor part of the "evil system".

 

[Dreamer]

Brendan, where are you going with this? When you first started out I thought it was sweet that you wanted to live in a perfect world with Jesus. (Who doesn't, if they have sense enough to know how good God is?) But....I don't understand anymore where you are going with this. Coconut gave you perfectly good explanations and scriptures to show you the truth. So did others. .....Did you read them? Did you consider them? Did you pray about what your brothers and sisters in Christ said?

 

[Chad]

Luke 13:6-8

The Parable of the Barren Fig Tree

6 And he told this parable: "A man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none. 7 And he said to the vinedresser, 'Look, for three years now I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and I find none. Cut it down. Why should it use up the ground?' 8 And he answered him, 'Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and put on manure.

 

[Coconut]

Cocunut, I lied I am a sinner. GOD didnt leave me when I lied, He made it clear to me that I was from my father the devil when I lied. He told me I was worldly. He saw that it troubled me, and he comforted me, because he loves me. By saying there were no lies in the Kingdom I thought he meant that as long as I was worldy, I would lie. If I joined him my lies would cease.
By telling me not to worry, is by no means saying it is alright. For worry would kill my judgement and affect my learning.

Brendan God does not comfort us when we do wrong, rather as any good Father would do He will chastise us, every single time, and you my friend are no exception to that rule.

Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

As long as you are worldly you will lie? I think you are listening to the father of lies,and not the Father in Heaven. You may think that is a harsh thing to say, but this whole thread speaks volumns. You claim to adhere to the Word of God, yet you insist on distorting and twisting its plain truths.

If you join Him you will no longer lie? You are either born into Gods kingdom or you are not, there is no "joining" in Gods kindgom.

How can GOD provide for us? Using an evil system?
When his system is perfect?
GOD made this world, he made me, we fit together perfectly, he left nothing out and there is nothing in this system that comes close to GODs world. I have looked at it daily for a long time, with Jesus by my side. There is nothing this system has to offer me. Unless I live as the Devils child. For it is his, its not from GOD.

Jesus lived for 33 years in the "system", not to mention all the men of God before and after Him that did the same thing. Now you can either follow Christ, or not...but your rejection of the "system" can do nothing for your relationship with Him.
Jesus says only one thing to all of us, that is FOLLOW ME.

If you dont see or hear what I am saying Christ has taught me, then now is not the time for you.

Everything I see you hearing and saying, is based on personal feelings and revelations, and not the Word of God. Your use of scripture to validate your beliefs has mostly been taken out of its scriptural context, and the meaning distorted to fit your personal understanding.

2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves.

We must always examine our beliefs by the Word of God, not by feeling!
If what you read in one passage of scripture contradicts what you believe another portion of scripture is saying, you better read it again, something in your understanding (not the scripture) is wrong. So it is in this thread, you have been given much scripture here that contradicts what you are saying you "believe" and you will not examine them.

If any of us let "feelings" dictate our beliefs or walk with God, we are in big trouble.

Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

So much for personal revelations. Take note of the word grace there.
You would have us believe that Gods grace depends on our not living in this world...
yet Jesus final spoken prayer before he was crucified says otherwise.

Joh 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

Do I believe that Jesus is coming again? Its a hard question as I feel Jesus is with me at all times. Like he has already come, he doesnt mention leaving me at any time.
God Bless
Brendan.

It would not be a hard question to answer if you truly accepted the authority of the Word of God over your own "feelings" AS IT IS WRITTEN, is always the answer, no matter what the question is, and no matter what the revelation is.

Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Lets let God have the final say:

Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

 

[Cognitive]

Thank you all for your loving words.

I will pray on the matter and study it deeply.

I was getting close to this spirit beside, who I thought was a good spirit. Now after your words I will be very wary of what he tells me. I have to know if this spirit is from GOD. If it is not then I thank you for your love towards me, and to want to direct my path to GOD.

The spirit comforted me, and I let it in me. I just saw the first few chapters of Genesis outside my window one day. I thought Christ was calling me to live there. After all its what was created for me in the beginning.

I respect you brothers and sisters in Christ, I did read the scriptures you gave me, I do not preach a false gospel intentionally, if I do I am sure Jesus will help me see the way.

And so will my brothers and sisters here, as you continue to do so.

Chad I read my NIV the most, but also my KJV at times.

God Bless
Brendan

 

[Chad]

Thank you all for your loving words.

I will pray on the matter and study it deeply.

I was getting close to this spirit beside, who I thought was a good spirit. Now after your words I will be very wary of what he tells me. I have to know if this spirit is from GOD. If it is not then I thank you for your love towards me, and to want to direct my path to GOD.

The spirit comforted me, and I let it in me. I just saw the first few chapters of Genesis outside my window one day. I thought Christ was calling me to live there. After all its what was created for me in the beginning.

I respect you brothers and sisters in Christ, I did read the scriptures you gave me, I do not preach a false gospel intentionally, if I do I am sure Jesus will help me see the way.

And so will my brothers and sisters here, as you continue to do so.

Chad I read my NIV the most, but also my KJV at times.

God Bless
Brendan

And the NIV and the KJV have the words "Christians" in them, odd enough you deny this. On the other hand, welcome to the fallen age, this is no longer the perfect Garden of Eden shown in Genesis so why you even think GOD expects you to live in that unrealistic realm is beyond me.

NIV search for the term "Christians"

1. Acts 11:26
   and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.
   Acts 11:25-27 (in Context) Acts 11 (Whole Chapter)
   
   
2. Acts 26:28
   Then Agrippa said to Paul, "Do you think that in such a short time you can persuade me to be a Christian?"
   Acts 26:27-29 (in Context) Acts 26 (Whole Chapter)
   
   
3. Colossians 3:18
   [ Rules for Christian Households ] Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
   Colossians 3:17-19 (in Context) Colossians 3 (Whole Chapter)
   
   
4. 1 Peter 4:12
   [ Suffering for Being a Christian ] Dear friends, do not be surprised at the painful trial you are suffering, as though something strange were happening to you.
   1 Peter 4:11-13 (in Context) 1 Peter 4 (Whole Chapter)
   
   
5. 1 Peter 4:16
   However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name.
   1 Peter 4:15-17 (in Context) 1 Peter 4 (Whole Chapter)

KJV search for the term "Christians"

1. Acts 11:26
   And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
   Acts 11:25-27 (in Context) Acts 11 (Whole Chapter)
   
   
2. Acts 26:28
   Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.
   Acts 26:27-29 (in Context) Acts 26 (Whole Chapter)
   
   
3. 1 Peter 4:16
   Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
   1 Peter 4:15-17 (in Context) 1 Peter 4 (Whole Chapter)

When the Truth is in front of you as many in this thread gave it to you, do not dare deny it with your personal beliefs. That is 100% antichrist like and will lead you to the path of hell, literally speaking. The world revolves around Jesus Christ and His Holy Living Word, Himself. It does not revolve around ANYONE'S personal religion, beliefs, and other jibberish that is far away from Scripture.

 

[Cognitive]

Chad I am sorry but I still dont see your point in using the term Christian for myself. I feel like you wont accept me as a brother until I do so.

Is it not enough for you that I believe in Christ is the truth the life and the only way.

I do not deny that the word christian isnt mentioned in my bible. I said that christ didnt ask me to become one.

The people of Antioch, Agrippa and you Chad can call me a Christian if you wish.

Jesus calls me his friend, brother or his child, he has never called me a christian.
For it is written,

John 15

12My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. 14You are my friends if you do what I command. 15I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.

Did you at some time not be a christian and Jesus asked you to become one? Please help me to understand why this name is important to you.

God Bless
Brendan.