U.S. Election: Stolen or Not?

[Hekuran]

All the evidence in the world will not change the result, will not make someone who thinks it was a legit win change there mind

That's not true. I'm open minded enough to look into the evidence, and I will change my mind if the evidence is compelling.

 

[Christ4Ever]

It's not that I can't access it, I'm asking you directly on what evidence you base your belief that the election result was wrong. Who did it? where did it happen? When? And how was it done?

I would be compelled to change my thinking only if I see strong evidence that the vote was conducted improperly.

Please show me what the evidence is. I'm looking for hard data -- names, dates, times, etc -- that I can check out.

That's not true. I'm open minded enough to look into the evidence, and I will change my mind if the evidence is compelling.

It continues to change with you brother. Now it's compelling evidence!

I ask you how are you going to get the names, dates, times etc unless there are investigations done?

So, a person getting arrested in Texas on video admitting to it, improper voting procedures going against state law, Machines being audited and showing improper counts. That's not enough to show the fraud happening and warrants more investigations? Are you willing to at least admit that we should be having the investigations?

God bless you brother. I still love you, but you keep thinking like you do, and you won't even have to be alive to have your vote counted in the next Election!

 

[Hekuran]

If more investigation needs to be done, then let investigation go ahead. Remember, though, that Trump claimed in 2016 that there were three to five million fraudulent votes in the 2016 election. He commissioned an investigation in 2017, but it was abandoned in 2018 without finding anything.

I'm asking the people here who are convinced the election was rigged and stolen for the evidence for that conviction.

 

[Christ4Ever]

If more investigation needs to be done, then let investigation go ahead. Remember, though, that Trump claimed in 2016 that there were three to five million fraudulent votes in the 2016 election. He commissioned an investigation in 2017, but it was abandoned in 2018 without finding anything.

I'm asking the people here who are convinced the election was rigged and stolen for the evidence for that conviction.

See, "If more investigation needs to be done.." Well, I'm not an "If" person, but a "yes" person that investigations need to be done. This way there will be sufficient data by which to make an enlightened decision to whether the Election was Stolen, Fraudulent and to what degree, or not.

Know since you brought up the Trump Commission. Do you know why it was abandoned? And please don't answer because they didn't find anything.

 

[Hekuran]

Because they didn't find anything.

 

[Brad Huber]

Just tell me what you know, the evidence that has led you to believe the election was stolen.

The evidence is there, and with the Holy Spirit's help, you would see it. Some things must be searched out "with" the help of the Holy Spirit or you cannot see it.

 

[Hekuran]

The evidence is there, and with the Holy Spirit's help, you would see it. Some things must be searched out "with" the help of the Holy Spirit or you cannot see it.

Getting bored of people telling the evidence is "there" but not telling me where it is. Who? What? How? When? Where? I think I would see the evidence if somebody wrote a message saying how they believe the election was stolen.

It's a very simple request. I understand that not every simple question has a simple answer, but I would expect to get at least some information from someone here.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Because they didn't find anything.

Didn't I say not to use "they didn't find anything"? But you couldn't help your self could you! LOL
You see it was a bi-partisan commission, and there was so much in fighting, especially from the Democrats who obstructed, as well as states who refused to provide the requested data!
So, it was disbanded and by another Executive order “rather than engage in endless legal battles at taxpayer expense.” So, they were having to sue or were being sued by the very states whose people they were trying to help!!!

Several secretaries of state, Republican and Democrat, bucked a request for sensitive data by the commission or said they would only provide limited data.
Mississippi Secretary of State Delbert Hosemann, a Republican, suggested the commission “go jump in the Gulf of Mexico.”

See brother. This is not a Republican/Democratic issue, but an American People issue! If we as a people don't step up, it will never change, and slowly but surely this country will get flushed down the toilet bowel of history.

However, until people like you can even admit that there's a problem, it will never change. A ground swell of prayer, fasting, needs to come to the Throne of Mercy, and seek that change. It won't happen. Only our God, can change the hearts & minds of man to desire and want the change that is needed to prevent this country from dissolving into the annals of history, as just a failed experiment.

 

[Hekuran]

However, until people like you can even admit that there's a problem, it will never change.

For me to recognise there's a problem I need to see some evidence. We would be talking millions of fraudulent votes. Trump said back in November that he had proof. Where is it?

 

[B-A-C]

For me to recognise there's a problem I need to see some evidence. We would be talking millions of fraudulent votes. Trump said back in November that he had proof. Where is it?

Lawyers, subpoenas, court clerks, congress, all have copies of these fraudulent votes, and it's possible there are millions of them.
The problem is finding judges who aren't afraid to investigate this. It's a lot like the 20s here, Al Capone and the mafia run things. It may be a different group with a different name, but they have even more power,

 

[Hekuran]

The problem I'm having is finding someone to show me some evidence.

 

[Christ4Ever]

For me to recognise there's a problem I need to see some evidence. We would be talking millions of fraudulent votes. Trump said back in November that he had proof. Where is it?

The problem I'm having is finding someone to show me some evidence.

Dear Brother,
I've already told you that it doesn't take that many votes to have changed the election! Not millions like you are saying, maybe 250,000 or so would have flipped the election. That's how close the election was in some states!!
It appears you are going to believe what you want to believe. Showed some evidence, and that more investigations need to be done, and you still keep saying but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, etc.
Nothing is sufficient for you, because anything that is presented to you, there is either a but, which for as long as we've gone on this, has become repetitive.
Even when you admitted to investigations as a possibility, you used "IF", which is just another way of saying "but"! LOL

Brother, God bless you but you need to leave this thread alone, because you're starting to sound like Atheist's who are provided reasoning they don't like, and so won't accept it, and come up with another excuse for not believing.

Oh, and for the umpteen time, the evidence provided you seems to be insufficient in your eyes to show that fraud occurred, or if it occurred, that it was sufficient to turn the election! You either raise the bar, or change it to an altogether different level so it suits the position you don't want to budge from. Each one addressed, yes it seems to have left no impression upon your ability to reason. So, unless you can come up with some other reason that you haven't already stated. It's best to leave well enough alone! Because your attempt to defend/excuse what has happened is only leaving you wanting.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Hekuran]

I've not raised the bar or changed my request in any respect. Its not at all clear to me what has hapoened. What is the evidence for election fraud? Who? How? Where? When?

No-one has attempted to address these questions.

 

[Brad Huber]

I've not raised the bar or changed my request in any respect. Its not at all clear to me what has hapoened. What is the evidence for election fraud? Who? How? Where? When?

No-one has attempted to address these questions.

In another thread, I posted a "bunch" of videos with examples of voter fraud, you said it wasnt good enough, it wasnt from what you considered trustworthy sources. I posted a "bunch" of videos about untrustworthy news sources, you either ignored it or discounted it. You will believe what you want to believe.

 

[Christ4Ever]

I've not raised the bar or changed my request in any respect. Its not at all clear to me what has hapoened. What is the evidence for election fraud? Who? How? Where? When?

No-one has attempted to address these questions.

Try reading some of the posts agan.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I believe Judgement is getting ready to come to our nation, and prayers of the un-repented do not get answered and as a nation we have far to many who have not repented, I pray for our nation twice a day, but I know what GOd word says and I see it playing out right now.

This country is not my home I am visitor I am doing my best to stay out of worldly affairs, as they do nothing for me in my growth in Christ,

Did Jesus try to stop Rome evil empire from ruling over his people??

Are you unrepented? No? Are you one of the unsaved? No? Well, my friend, if you are one of Gods people, no matter where you live, YOU have dominion. The unsaved do not have dominion in the Earth but God's people DO....I posted this a couple days ago somewhere....

2 Chronicles 7:13-15 CJB
13 If I shut up the sky, so that there is no rain; or if I order locusts to devour the land; or if I send an epidemic of sickness among my people; 14 then, if MY PEOPLE, WHO BEAR MY NAME, will
1humble themselves,
2pray,
3seek my face and
4turn from their evil ways,
I will hear from heaven, forgive their sin and heal their land. 15 Now my eyes will be open and my ears will pay attention to the prayer made in this place.

Sir. If you are not from the US that's not important...Your country too, is sick and in real danger from the same evil that the US is in...PRAY and also do the other three things God says....If our country/countries go down, it will be OUR fault. Not Biden's who suffers from some form of dementia. Elected fraudulently by a bunch of demon possessed Democrats....It will be our fault....So Please...Stop copping out and get to it. This is not a civil thing, as I've said. Its a spiritual battle in which you were called to be a warrior not a wimp. Not saying you're a wimp, so don't get excited....Warrior or wimp are our only two choices.

 

[Hekuran]

Try reading some of the posts agan.

Which post answers my questions?

 

[Christ4Ever]

Which post answers my questions?

Why are you asking me when you have access to the same postings that I do?
Do you believe I'm lying to you?

 

[Hekuran]

I'm finding the responses to my questions extremely evasive. At the top of the thread, several people say they have no doubt the election was stolen.

I'm trying to find the evidence for that belief.

@Christ4Ever says that we cannot know until a full investigation has been carried out and points to isolated irregularities, but nothing on the scale that would overturn the result

@Dave M has posted some videos. The ones I've looked at raise some interesting questions but don't have evidence of anything to turn the result over,

@Brad Huber says there is evidence, but it requires the guidance of the Holy Spirit to see it. He doesn't specify what the evidence is.

Apologies if I've misrepresented anyone's basic position here.

I'm perplexed at how people can be so confident in a position, yet unable to explain a rationale for it.

It feels like this is an article of faith where evidence is not necessary: true believers in Trump will believe what he says about the election.

 

[Brad Huber]

I'm finding the responses to my questions extremely evasive. At the top of the thread, several people say they have no doubt the election was stolen.

I'm trying to find the evidence for that belief.

@Christ4Ever says that we cannot know until a full investigation has been carried out and points to isolated irregularities, but nothing on the scale that would overturn the result

@Dave M has posted some videos. The ones I've looked at raise some interesting questions but don't have evidence of anything to turn the result over,

@Brad Huber says there is evidence, but it requires the guidance of the Holy Spirit to see it. He doesn't specify what the evidence is.

Apologies if I've misrepresented anyone's basic position here.

I'm perplexed at how people can be so confident in a position, yet unable to explain a rationale for it.

It feels like this is an article of faith where evidence is not necessary: true believers in Trump will believe what he says about the election.

Do you know what discernment is? You seem to be severly lacking in it in this area. In other areas you are fine. Read post 54 to you.