Understanding Prayer

[Ceptor]

Watch, I can do the same thing. You said 'the Bible confuses people'.

Nice try dude.... Your statement didn't resolve the allusion to confusion. My quote was an accurate representation, not a con quote like your example.. lol The rest of your sentence was right above the quote... not three pages back........

Grief little fella... really?

Um... no

 

[KingJ]

Kj I know you said yoou were done talking about judging but I wanted to ask what you meant by this....
He called the guy committing incest a brother 1 Cor 5:1. It seems to me that he always differentiated between those professing to be saved vs those not professing.

Christians who are saved do sin in such a way. Christians who are saved have commited adultry.

You have to consider 1 Cor 6:9-12 with this. ''Those in unrepentant sin will not be in heaven'. Then just grasp that Paul would not have raised this issue in 1 Cor 5 if he / they repented.

 

[Ceptor]

I've got work to do.. You've derailed this entire thread. :laugh:

Love ya brother.

You keep it rolling.

It'll all be ok. Oh yeah..

 

[KingJ]

Nice try dude.... Your statement didn't resolve the allusion to confusion. The rest of your sentence was right above the quote... not three pages back..

I would love to be in on the joke. Can you quote me? I honestly have no clue what you find so funny.

You quoted a line in post # 50 ''I know that Paul is to blame for a lot of the confusion on OSAS vs Armininians''

as ''I know that Paul is to blame for a lot of the confusion''

Now if anyone should be laughing....

 

[KingJ]

sooooo, lol, it seems that the only thing you've accomplished is to create conflict, confusion, criticize, and judge.

I refuse to take credit for that. You did that all yourself in post 51, 54, 55, 57, 61 and 63. I actually thought we were having a nice discussion until post 55.

It is near impossible to not have some heat when discussing conflicting long held beliefs, so I am all for a certain amount of that. I think even the mods tolerate some. What I do not find amusing though is all the false accusations and rudeness. It is not Christ like.

 

[Ceptor]

Seems the statement I made to you to ask me not to "play" the "heated" debate role you (obviously) can't take.. wasn't read by you. lol But since I've stepped on your toes, I do apologize. I would advise though that if things offend you so... that you resist the temptation to "heatedly" debate people with sarcasm. Tends to lead to hostile feelings, like you've developed towards me although I was being playful (and genuinely honest as well).

Seems you've built a reputation that precedes you for twisting things like this (or possibly in some instances just using bad word choice). And those statements I made are true, whether you accept them doesn't matter - it's there for people to observe for themselves. Take a look before you got here, and then after. I didn't do that. Plus there are other threads that stand witness to the fact. But I hold nothing against you regardless if you are angry for me being upfront.

Anyway, I believe it's best if me and you just don't converse brother. You seem to create tension everywhere you go.

Enjoy your debates. I still love you. God bless. :coffee:

 

[Ceptor]

ps, if you feel I'm being unlike Christ I'm sorry. Christ offended people though, just so you know, when they did things that weren't righteous. I don't agree with some of the things you do, but I also don't hold a grudge.

Believe me when I say I love you. You correct people you love. Don't mix up my sarcasm and play with the pointing out of what I seen. I would prefer you not have attempted to debate everything posted in this thread, but you have. And pointed fingers, etc etc. I don't "accuse" out of "grudge" but because I care. (Proverbs 3:12) Just like God points things out to us because He cares.

I was sure that being me being sarcastic along with you "as fun" wouldn't be embraced, especially with me being honest (rather than lying with sugary words).. but nevertheless, I followed through to see. Sure enough.

Regardless how you feel, my real name means "God is my judge" and I thank Him all the time for my name. Because He knows my heart regarding this, and all matters.. so I can rest in peace in Him.

Be assured though, that this is not an attempt to "converse" but to convey the fact that I meant no harm, and I'm praying for you.

So forgive me if I came off wrong or hurt you. I don't want to do that. But I think it would be more productive if we didn't discuss things, because you prefer to debate always. (which you may do concerning that very statement)

You'll be in my prayers. :thumbsup:

 

[KingJ]

Seems the statement I made to you to ask me not to "play" the "heated" debate role you (obviously) can't take.. wasn't read by you. lol But since I've stepped on your toes, I do apologize. I would advise though that if things offend you so... that you resist the temptation to "heatedly" debate people with sarcasm. Tends to lead to hostile feelings, like you've developed towards me although I was being playful (and genuinely honest as well).

Seems you've built a reputation that precedes you for twisting things like this (or possibly in some instances just using bad word choice). And those statements I made are true, whether you accept them doesn't matter - it's there for people to observe for themselves. Take a look before you got here, and then after. I didn't do that. Plus there are other threads that stand witness to the fact. But I hold nothing against you regardless if you are angry for me being upfront.

Anyway, I believe it's best if me and you just don't converse brother. You seem to create tension everywhere you go.

Enjoy your debates. I still love you. God bless. :coffee:

Its cool man. I think maybe my 3 hour sleep last night is getting to me . I am battling to focus. I read something ten times before I reply,

 

[Ophel]

Using our mind / common sense / impeccable logic can take us very far in understanding God.

But you have got me wondering....if it is not perhaps better to be spiritually wrong vs ''mentally'' wrong.

What would make either of those "wrongs" better than the other?

Who in Christ relies on "impeccable logic", when those who know who they are in Christ know that the mind is to be under subjection? We understand God's word by His Spirit who dwells in us, and moves upon us.

Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the Lord with all your heart;
do not depend on your own understanding.
6 Seek his will in all you do,
and he will show you which path to take.


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[Ophel]

You took 3/4 of my sentence out of my sentence.

Of course the bible is inerrant. I am just saying Paul spoke respectfully to all. He created the confusion we have today on OSAS vs Arminianism.

Paul said all that claim to be saved must judge themselves / be judged 1 Cor 5:11. Now Paul also says we are sealed in Christ Eph 1:13. So we have judged according to deeds + sealed in Christ = hellishly confusing for many.

Paul, writing as God has decreed, is not the source of any confusion WHATSOEVER.

Man is easily confused when he is not abiding.

James 3:16
For wherever there is jealousy and selfish ambition, there you will find disorder and evil of every kind.


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[Ceptor]

KingJ, I wanted to apologize. While I still hold the stance that I disagree with some of the statements you've made, and the methods you've employed in making them I should have been more kind. You were right in that I did not act Christ like. My motive was true, but my zeal to make my point to you left me attempting things my own way rather than God's.

I also knew ahead of time that you were not going to take the sarcasm well, though it was in a playful manner I knew it was highly likely not to be taken that way by you and in that I'm wrong for using it to make the point.

I believe that word choice and misunderstanding of your meaning may play a part in the issue here, and the fact you are very quick to debate and get into complicated details. I don't want to bash you brother. I would like to follow the example of Jesus more proficiently, and there is also a man in this forum that sets quite the example himself. I should be more keen on paying attention, taking notes, and walking correctly. I posted scripture that I myself didn't follow, though I truly did mean to do some good even though I did not.

Whether we discuss anything in the future is up to God. For now, considering these things and current stressful circumstances in my life I feel it's best I take a break from the forum.

At times when we reflect on ourselves we see something quite different than what we assumed we were, especially when we keep our eyes on a Holy Savior.

I want to encourage you to read the words I wrote from a view of brother if you skim over them in the future at any time. I took the way you wrote your posts as not being easily offended. I was wrong.

I hope you can forgive me. Try to keep an open mind to some of the elders here, they have much wisdom to share.. in word and in deed. They are the one's God uses to teach me often.

 

[KingJ]

What would make either of those "wrongs" better than the other?

Who in Christ relies on "impeccable logic", when those who know who they are in Christ know that the mind is to be under subjection? We understand God's word by His Spirit who dwells in us, and moves upon us.

Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the Lord with all your heart;
do not depend on your own understanding.
6 Seek his will in all you do,
and he will show you which path to take.


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We use the mind to test the spirit we think is in us .

 

[KingJ]

Paul, writing as God has decreed, is not the source of any confusion WHATSOEVER.

Man is easily confused when he is not abiding.

James 3:16
For wherever there is jealousy and selfish ambition, there you will find disorder and evil of every kind..

Agreed. Paul wanted us to understand the importance of self assessment as well as the security we have in Him.

 

[KingJ]

KingJ, I wanted to apologize. While I still hold the stance that I disagree with some of the statements you've made, and the methods you've employed in making them I should have been more kind. You were right in that I did not act Christ like. My motive was true, but my zeal to make my point to you left me attempting things my own way rather than God's.

I also knew ahead of time that you were not going to take the sarcasm well, though it was in a playful manner I knew it was highly likely not to be taken that way by you and in that I'm wrong for using it to make the point.

I believe that word choice and misunderstanding of your meaning may play a part in the issue here, and the fact you are very quick to debate and get into complicated details. I don't want to bash you brother. I would like to follow the example of Jesus more proficiently, and there is also a man in this forum that sets quite the example himself. I should be more keen on paying attention, taking notes, and walking correctly. I posted scripture that I myself didn't follow, though I truly did mean to do some good even though I did not.

Whether we discuss anything in the future is up to God. For now, considering these things and current stressful circumstances in my life I feel it's best I take a break from the forum.

At times when we reflect on ourselves we see something quite different than what we assumed we were, especially when we keep our eyes on a Holy Savior.

I want to encourage you to read the words I wrote from a view of brother if you skim over them in the future at any time. I took the way you wrote your posts as not being easily offended. I was wrong.

I hope you can forgive me. Try to keep an open mind to some of the elders here, they have much wisdom to share.. in word and in deed. They are the one's God uses to teach me often.

Way too much apologizing and deep thought going on brother. I am not easily offended. It is really just the emoticons and pics that get under my skin. I get a lot of that from atheists. Perhaps the norm for you with face-book'n all. But with atheists it tells me that the conversation is over and we have now resorted to throwing tomatoes.

 

[Ophel]

We use the mind to test the spirit we think is in us .

Believers don't need to test the Holy Spirit living in us. The mind of man is unreliable at best. Don't forget that the mind is part of the flesh, and giving it more importance than it deserves is a big mistake.


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[Ceptor]

I get a lot of that from atheists. Perhaps the norm for you with face-book'n all. But with atheists it tells me that the conversation is over and we have now resorted to throwing tomatoes.

I had a hunch about some of this before. I don't do much facebook. I communicate with three important people on it and only have two set as friends.

Keep on studying brother, I'll be praying for you.

 

[Ceptor]

Believers don't need to test the Holy Spirit living in us.

Ophel. This is an easy one.

Matthew 7:16

Does anyone know of any Old Testament prayers as good examples. I know we have the Lord's prayer, but surely there are other prayers in the Bible I'm unaware of. In Psalms there must be?

Anyone willing to share their vast knowledge of God's Word?? :coffee:

 

[B-A-C]

1 Jn 4:1; Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1 Jn 4:2; By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;
1 Jn 4:3; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

 

[Ophel]

Ophel. This is an easy one.

Matthew 7:16

Does anyone know of any Old Testament prayers as good examples. I know we have the Lord's prayer, but surely there are other prayers in the Bible I'm unaware of. In Psalms there must be?

Anyone willing to share their vast knowledge of God's Word?? :coffee:

Exactly.