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What Catholics Really Believe

Scripture - MAN--->JESUS--->FATHER
Catholic church - MAN--->mary---> - Ends at mary.....

The Father does Not hear your prayers through mary..... only through Jesus
 
A professing atheist pointed this out to me... which I find interesting because he saw this even though he claims not be a Christian.

He said "It seems the Roman Catholic church does everything in it's power to remove Jesus and place Mary between God and man".
They pray to Mary... instead of Jesus.
They name their churches after Mary... instead of Jesus.
They say the head of the church is the pope... instead of Jesus.
They say we should confess to a priest.. instead of Jesus.
They put up statues of Mary.. instead of Jesus (not that worshiping or idolizing a statue is a good idea in the first place).
They call Mary the mediatrix... (but Jesus is the ONLY mediator?)
They say Mary broke the curse of sin... instead of Jesus.
They say we should a priest "father"... instead of God.
They call some clergy "vicar" which means substiute or proxy. But wasn't Jesus the scapegoat (substitute) sacrifice for our sins?
They pray to other "canonized" saints .... instead of Jesus

From an outsider looking in.. I thought this was a pretty good insight.
 
Amadeus..... can a person who has a different salvation as you be your brother?
Since there is only one way to God, is there a "different salvation" available? Jesus said,

"For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." Matt 12:50

Someone doing his Father's will is Jesus brother and should be ours. While I must come to know God's will for me, must I always know His will for everyone around me?
 
Those who do Gods will are your brothers you say?

If a man is saved another way besides Eph 2:8 he Cannot do Gods will...... doing Gods will FIRST and foremost can ONLY be done by Eph2:8 believers.

A man can do Gods will or his own.... both can be the same act but only that done by a believer will Not burn.....
 
Must you know ones salvation?

You call him brother.... so yeah

Do we have to have every answer that any man could ask us to be in accord with God's order? Will God throw us out because we loved our enemies and even called them brother? How did Jesus treat the man after it was clear that satan had entered into Judas? Who are we to decide that a person is no longer worthy to be called a brother?
 
Those who do Gods will are your brothers you say?

If a man is saved another way besides Eph 2:8 he Cannot do Gods will...... doing Gods will FIRST and foremost can ONLY be done by Eph2:8 believers.

A man can do Gods will or his own.... both can be the same act but only that done by a believer will Not burn.....


While I do hear what you are saying, methinks that perhaps we are not communicating very well. Judgment does really belong to God. Even if we know a man is in error this moment in a particular thing, can we say that the man is without hope without that God has revealed it to us?
 
A professing atheist pointed this out to me... which I find interesting because he saw this even though he claims not be a Christian.

He said "It seems the Roman Catholic church does everything in it's power to remove Jesus and place Mary between God and man".
They pray to Mary... instead of Jesus.
They name their churches after Mary... instead of Jesus.
They say the head of the church is the pope... instead of Jesus.
They say we should confess to a priest.. instead of Jesus.
They put up statues of Mary.. instead of Jesus (not that worshiping or idolizing a statue is a good idea in the first place).
They call Mary the mediatrix... (but Jesus is the ONLY mediator?)
They say Mary broke the curse of sin... instead of Jesus.
They say we should a priest "father"... instead of God.
They call some clergy "vicar" which means substiute or proxy. But wasn't Jesus the scapegoat (substitute) sacrifice for our sins?
They pray to other "canonized" saints .... instead of Jesus

From an outsider looking in.. I thought this was a pretty good insight.

I agree B-A-C

I have to say if the catholics were right, there wouldn't have been a reformation!

It is sad that they won't even accept scripture quoted showing their errors and there are many more that could be added to the list above.
 
Do we have to have every answer that any man could ask us to be in accord with God's order? Will God throw us out because we loved our enemies and even called them brother? How did Jesus treat the man after it was clear that satan had entered into Judas? Who are we to decide that a person is no longer worthy to be called a brother?

it is Christ who makes you a brother and since a catholic has a different way to heaven he Cannot be your brother..... how is it that you do not understand? He believes in purgatory which is salvation without Christ........ so how can he be your brother who has such beliefs....
 
I agree B-A-C

I have to say if the catholics were right, there wouldn't have been a reformation!

It is sad that they won't even accept scripture quoted showing their errors and there are many more that could be added to the list above.
A use to be a catholic told me once... catholics dont want to know... they want the church to handle everything including their salvation.... i think they believe the popes will be standing with st peter and the virgin mary and idk jesus somewhere else i guess and its a done deal with purgatory at worst...which everyone knows you can do standing on your head...

When people lock in their beliefs seldom will the word of God change that view.....
 
I agree B-A-C

I have to say if the catholics were right, there wouldn't have been a reformation!

If all Protestants were right there would not be 30,000 plus denominations. The Catholic missed the turn for certain or there would not have been a reformation, but how many after leaving the RCC went down right road from there and how many continued along the "wider way that leads to destruction"?

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matt 7:13-14

It is sad that they won't even accept scripture quoted showing their errors and there are many more that could be added to the list above.

While I know that what you say is true of too many Catholics, it is also true of too many non-Catholic Christians. Probably some people fled the RCC to find an easier walk rather than to move closer to God. Certainly many people remain where they or go to a new "church" to find something more comfortable for their flesh rather to approach God more closely.
 
it is Christ who makes you a brother and since a catholic has a different way to heaven he Cannot be your brother..... how is it that you do not understand? He believes in purgatory which is salvation without Christ........ so how can he be your brother who has such beliefs....

It is the mind of Christ working in us that makes us Christ-like. Because a person is in error, that does not mean the person is not closer to God than you or me:

"And though I ... understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; ... and have not charity, I am nothing." I Cor 13:2
 
Anyone who has a salvation that is Not solely Eph2:8 cannot be your brother Period...... a catholic does Not have this..... his way is different so his God is different...... since he believes in purgatory which teaches you can get to heaven without Christ makes him a denier of the blood which bought them.... so they are Not your brothers and sister period..

his church teaches you amadeus2 are unsaved... hello?
 
If all Protestants were right there would not be 30,000 plus denominations. The Catholic missed the turn for certain or there would not have been a reformation, but how many after leaving the RCC went down right road from there and how many continued along the "wider way that leads to destruction"?

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matt 7:13-14



While I know that what you say is true of too many Catholics, it is also true of too many non-Catholic Christians. Probably some people fled the RCC to find an easier walk rather than to move closer to God. Certainly many people remain where they or go to a new "church" to find something more comfortable for their flesh rather to approach God more closely.


Dear brother, I referred to the catholics as that is the topic, 'What catholics really believe'

The reformation was inevitable once people were taught to read the Bible for themselves. But was a mess the Protestants made of breaking away from the RC ways and since then they just made matters worse and worse, following 'what people wanted' not necessarily what 'Jesus teaches'. By this what I am saying is, there became protestant high church follows RC tradition, protestant middle of the road are part RC tradition and part not, then there are protestant evangelical if they can get it together.

Twenty seven years ago when I accepted the Lord into my life, I started going to an Anglican church, it was a new church from both prospectives, building and people, it started as many do in an home group and then a church hall. At first rights and wrongs to scripture are noticeable, you fall into the pattern they offer, you don't see the friction going on inside, hidden behind the welcome and good choir, etc, but after a while they start to show and the cracks become visible. Those who started from the home group and church hall, always wanted the final say in everything that happened there, it was 'their church'!!! Then there was the choir, a very good one I must say, but they ruled what should and would be sung. The creed included the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, although I never used to say the RC words, there is so much more.

It was sad to see and eventually I had to leave, as did many others. The congregation was mixed, the elderly that wanted the traditional worship, the younger that wanted evangelical song and worship, the minister went with the elder people as they were the ones who pushed their influence whose church it was, whose church they thought it was, but I have to say that was after the choir dictated the hymns they said should be sung.

Denominations!!! Satan has done a good job, I think that can be summed up by rearranging the first five letters, denom, demon. I can only repeat, it is sad, I agree with you, the catholics got it wrong and still cannot see it, the protestants got many things wrong and are still doing so, and so have many other denominations. Until people put aside denominational differences, forgetting them completely, and come to Jesus, learning from the early church it will not change.

It is amazing how many people think they are in a denomination yet only show their faces for christening, marriage and funerals. The best example of this I have seen is when people are admitted to hospital, it asks what Religion they are... in the UK the most common answers are RC and COE and that is usually after frowning and wondering.

Isn't it amazing also that so many of these lost souls go through life rejecting 'Christ' and 'His Church' yet when you attend the funerals you would think everyone goes to heaven when they die! The path is narrow but that is not why they don't see it, they are spiritually blind.

But much more, it must hurt our Lord to see those attending a church but don't really know what a church is, or those who think they know the truth yet are unwilling to open their hearts to the teachings of Jesus and the early church as is written down for us all in our Bibles. Our Lord must weep at those who think they are right but are not open to the Truth in the Word. Matthew 7:13-14 (NKJV) 13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. The warnings are clear for us all.
 
Anyone who has a salvation that is Not solely Eph2:8 cannot be your brother Period...... a catholic does Not have this..... his way is different so his God is different...... since he believes in purgatory which teaches you can get to heaven without Christ makes him a denier of the blood which bought them.... so they are Not your brothers and sister period..

his church teaches you amadeus2 are unsaved... hello?

I think that I do understand where you are coming from on this, but you have apparently not fully considered either my words and/or the scripture I did present. I don't have all of the answers about everybody. But, I must please God rather than you or anyone else who is still in carnal flesh. The same applies to each of us, I believe. When we start deciding based on our own understanding the final judgment of others without knowing what is really in their hearts we are, I believe, searching for trouble... with God.

I grew up as a Catholic and I agree that what they teach won't fit where I am now in God, but still not knowing all there is to know of myself, I certainly don't pretend to know where others are. God hasn't given me the job to judge others, not yet. I will leave them alone unless God pulls my chain.

More than one person or group has told I was wrong and unsaved, but them saying it doesn't make it either so or not so. In a measure I know what I am, but still I see "through a glass darkly". If your vision of the things of God is really so much clearer than mine or even of that of the Apostle Paul, I am very glad for you.
 
Dear brother, I referred to the catholics as that is the topic, 'What catholics really believe'

The reformation was inevitable once people were taught to read the Bible for themselves. But was a mess the Protestants made of breaking away from the RC ways and since then they just made matters worse and worse, following 'what people wanted' not necessarily what 'Jesus teaches'. By this what I am saying is, there became protestant high church follows RC tradition, protestant middle of the road are part RC tradition and part not, then there are protestant evangelical if they can get it together.

As I have said I grew up a Roman Catholic so I do know what I believed and what I did not believe. I believe that even then I "loved the truth" even if I did not know exactly what it was. Now I "love the truth" and hopefully [I believe that I do] know the truth better, but I am also still growing. The place of death is not in the RCC alone, but actually in a place of stagnation. If we think we are standing on the truth and we are not growing , we are probably either dead or dying.

Twenty seven years ago when I accepted the Lord into my life, I started going to an Anglican church, it was a new church from both prospectives, building and people, it started as many do in an home group and then a church hall. At first rights and wrongs to scripture are noticeable, you fall into the pattern they offer, you don't see the friction going on inside, hidden behind the welcome and good choir, etc, but after a while they start to show and the cracks become visible. Those who started from the home group and church hall, always wanted the final say in everything that happened there, it was 'their church'!!! Then there was the choir, a very good one I must say, but they ruled what should and would be sung. The creed included the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, although I never used to say the RC words, there is so much more.

After being a devout RC on the verge of entering the priesthood to get to know God better, He brought me out of her. Almost 40 years ago I received the baptism of the Holy Ghost and began praying in an unknown tongue, which is now part of my daily practice. In my journey from then until now I saw several times, as you did, what appeared to be God's very blessed and right and righteous people, but I learned sometimes the hard way [for I have always been a bit naive,] that there were "friction" and "cracks" indeed.

It was sad to see and eventually I had to leave, as did many others. The congregation was mixed, the elderly that wanted the traditional worship, the younger that wanted evangelical song and worship, the minister went with the elder people as they were the ones who pushed their influence whose church it was, whose church they thought it was, but I have to say that was after the choir dictated the hymns they said should be sung.

I left many places (congregations); sometimes because it was God's will and sometimes I am certain because it was my will. The "friction" and "cracks" I have so often thought I was observing in others were so often more clearly to be seen in me for someone with "eyes to see". God has opened my eyes more than once to enable me to see where I needed to improve. The work continues... in me.

Denominations!!! Satan has done a good job, I think that can be summed up by rearranging the first five letters, denom, demon. I can only repeat, it is sad, I agree with you, the catholics got it wrong and still cannot see it, the protestants got many things wrong and are still doing so, and so have many other denominations. Until people put aside denominational differences, forgetting them completely, and come to Jesus, learning from the early church it will not change.

As individuals or even as groups (two or three in His name) we can change because nothing is impossible for God. Our problem too often is that with God in us, we use our God-given authority to push God aside. We limit Almighty God. We want to be part of the "stone" but we cannot keep our hands off God's work:

"Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces." Dan 2:34

That stone will crush the feet of iron and clay (Catholicism? and Protestantism?)and when it is done with the whole of that image (Nebuchadnezzar's) then it will fill the whole earth. Perhaps John's words relate to most all of the traditional organized groups calling themselves Christians including both Catholics and Protestants:

"And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." Rev 18:4

It is amazing how many people think they are in a denomination yet only show their faces for christening, marriage and funerals. The best example of this I have seen is when people are admitted to hospital, it asks what Religion they are... in the UK the most common answers are RC and COE and that is usually after frowning and wondering.

People sometimes it seems reach a plateau and stop climbing. The level of the plateau (a comfortable church group) may seem OK with the preachers and ministers and pastors and priests being responsible for the harder answers, but we all must continue to climb. To do otherwise is to lose what we have.

Isn't it amazing also that so many of these lost souls go through life rejecting 'Christ' and 'His Church' yet when you attend the funerals you would think everyone goes to heaven when they die! The path is narrow but that is not why they don't see it, they are spiritually blind.


I remember my mother's memorial service. I wanted to believe that she had an eternal resting place of comfort and joy with God, but with what I knew of her life, I could scarcely believe it was possible.

But much more, it must hurt our Lord to see those attending a church but don't really know what a church is, or those who think they know the truth yet are unwilling to open their hearts to the teachings of Jesus and the early church as is written down for us all in our Bibles. Our Lord must weep at those who think they are right but are not open to the Truth in the Word. Matthew 7:13-14 (NKJV) 13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. The warnings are clear for us all.

Yes, "Jesus wept".
 
Since there is only one way to God, is there a "different salvation" available? Jesus said,

"For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." Matt 12:50

Someone doing his Father's will is Jesus brother and should be ours. While I must come to know God's will for me, must I always know His will for everyone around me?

The will of God is to believe in the one he sent
This is the will of God towards all mankind.
There is no other salvation other than through faith in jesus christ the son of God.
Those preaching other gospels other salvations are enemies of God's will and So are in opposition to the Fathers will.
 
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