What Catholics Really Believe

[Listening]

As I constantly have said All along We do not pray to Mary. We Ask her to Pray for us
if you disagree with that ok but please do not state what is not Truth as Truth.
Here is exactly what I asked "Mary Mother of Jesus I ask that you pray for them to the Lord our God that they learn the true meaning of your role that you are not God. "

What part of "you are not God" is not understood. If you have a problem with me asking for Prayers from the Mother of God (Jesus) to that I say I am not going against what the Bible teaches. I follow Jesus my Lord and savior but I also realize that everyone has a role Jesus was Salvation, Mary brought Jesus(salvation) into the world through allowing herself to be the handmaiden of the Lord through the Holy Spirt. God planned that in the fall when Eve and then Adam brought Sin into the world by believing Satan. Mary did the opposite Under Threat of Death she believed and trusted God.

What part of "you are not God" is not understood.

You claim you are universal.
Only jesus is
And mary is not universal either and so does not hear your prayer.

 

[amadeus2]

The will of God is to believe in the one he sent
This is the will of God towards all mankind.
There is no other salvation other than through faith in jesus christ the son of God.
Those preaching other gospels other salvations are enemies of God's will and So are in opposition to the Fathers will.

I agree with your statement, but we may differ in details or in meanings in that statement. God knows our heart.

 

[Dave M]

I was reading my catholic bible today, or should I say I was looking stuff up in it to compare what I have been learning and reading in my new king james bible I thought a few of you might find this interesting, or maybe disturbing like I do!!

1. This comes under the title Does the church teach that only catholics can be saved, and here is what it says
Those who know God founded the Catholic Church through Christ as the necessary means to salvation, yet still refuse to enter it or remain in it cannot be saved.

THe main reason I am posting this I guess is that after being a very good Catholic for the last 13 years (and grew up) I have left the church just in the last three weeks and just can not beleive some of things in this Catholic bible.

2. This one comes under the title Why don't Catholics believe in the bible only??
The Bible plays a central and primary role in the christian faith, but it is not sufficient as the sole authoritative source of belief.

Nor is Scripture fully self interpreting.The Catholics church relying on the authoritative interpretation of the magisterium in the light of the tradition

This just my blew my mind today for some reason

 

[amadeus2]

I was reading my catholic bible today, or should I say I was looking stuff up in it to compare what I have been learning and reading in my new king james bible I thought a few of you might find this interesting, or maybe disturbing like I do!!

1. This comes under the title Does the church teach that only catholics can be saved, and here is what it says
Those who know God founded the Catholic Church through Christ as the necessary means to salvation, yet still refuse to enter it or remain in it cannot be saved.

THe main reason I am posting this I guess is that after being a very good Catholic for the last 13 years (and grew up) I have left the church just in the last three weeks and just can not beleive some of things in this Catholic bible.[/quote]

They have changed in many respects for the better, and as a former Catholic I can see some of these changes, but for me it is too little too late. As a matter of fact however I did not leave the RCC because I disagreed with its teachings. I simply moved away geographically from my home church and never was re-established with the RCC anywhere. Many years later God got hold me and I have grown toward Him from there on a more personal level.

When I was a Catholic all of the masses were in Latin and as a faithful altar boy I knew a very few things [emphasis on the very few]. The RCC changed radically with what they call Vatican II, but changing the organization and many of the detail did not change people's hearts. Only God can do that.

2. This one comes under the title Why don't Catholics believe in the bible only??
The Bible plays a central and primary role in the christian faith, but it is not sufficient as the sole authoritative source of belief.

Nor is Scripture fully self interpreting.The Catholics church relying on the authoritative interpretation of the magisterium in the light of the tradition

This just my blew my mind today for some reason

Most people in most churches called Christian have some who rules the roost and provide Bible interpretations, which would really still be OK...if Jesus was really in charge all of the time and growth was not stifled by men's ways.

It might seem a better thing, if we could say just attend any church outside of the RCC and it will all be OK, but we all know that that doesn't work either. The only thing that works is believing, really believing in the Lord Jesus and eating and drinking of his flesh regularly. Jesus had to leave but he sent us another Comforter to lead. We must be properly led or we will never make it to the end with our Lord.

 

[Lanolin]

I just want to say some things I've observed and I don't know if I be kicked off this forum for saying them like the others, but, I found that many catholics believe VERY different things from what a non-catholic christian believes.

There was a book I read when I was trying to come to terms with the catholic church because it seemed they were very religious people but again, very different from other churches and I wondered why this was so.

Well basically to summarise the church elders in RCC run the church and not Jesus. This goes way back in time to the roman empire that's why it's called the Roman catholic church. The pope is basically the emperor and was given religious power so combined the state with the church. They have made up all these different extra-biblical rules and regulations one must follow to be a member of the catholic church and will excommunicate you or give you anathemas (curses) if you don't.
The bible was only interpreted by clergy who run the churches and answer to the Pope instead of Jesus. It wasn't even allowed in the tongue that people were speaking at the time, and when some people went to translate it, they got burned for doing so. It was horrific.

So that is why I'm wary of the catholic church, and catholics in general, although on the surface nice people, nothing against them, were raised with this religion, many aren't born again because they don't hear the gospel in the church, its a different one. catholics go to their own schools and have their own pride in their 'mother church' and will defend it to death as they are obligated to do so. I have had lots of trouble with catholics on forums, I'm afraid to say.

My first catholic friend, as catholics shun non catholics generally, didn't even know Jesus had a brother. Her parents had statues of Mary and Joseph in their bedroom and worshipped these statues. They confess to a priest instead of going directly to God. The mass is not the same as the Lord's supper. They ask dead saints to pray on their behalf, and pray for dead people.

It's not the same faith as in the Bible. I don't know why they have all these extra things.

 

[Dave M]

From my experience being a Catholic most of my life, you just except most of these things and do not question them. I was never told and encouraged to read the bible, never. ANd once I started to read the bible I started to see some things differently, I know most of the Catholics I know do not read the bible much if at all. In the Catholic bible I have you will see words describing things like "in all likelihood" "must of meant" which to me is "didn't really mean" and when you look up things that are clearly against the teaching of the bible their defence is usually a good one for someone who does not read that good (like me). For example when Jesus say in Matthew 23-9 Do not call anyone on earth your father, the catholics defence at the surface looks like a good one they say jesus called Abraham father in John 8 -9 "Abraham is our father," they answered. "If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, "then you would do what Abraham did. BUt as it was brought to my attention on this Board that Abraham is not on earth any longer so to me their argument is void.

I am fresh out of the Catholic church so this topic is near and dear to me thanks for your imput, I will say I disagree with you on the gospel, the Catholic church I attended always had the gospel correct from what I know of it, and was always my favorite part of Mass.

 

[Ceptor]

I won't start down the longer road on this subject, attempt to stay concise. But when one studies the Bible the intentions of the leaders of Catholicism are obvious.

Christ is the Head of the Church. The Pope is not Christ.

I confess to God, they confess to men.

I worship Jesus who is God. They worship Jesus -and- Mary who is a human servant chosen by God.

These three are enough to show ungodliness sufficient to steer clear.

There are also many MANY dark secrets I know of, but I don't believe it's appropriate in this context. I don't have intentions to start complex disagreements.

If a person's heart earnestly seeks God, not even Catholicism and their sneakiness can keep them from Jesus Christ and His love and righteousness.

The full list against them being true to God is longer than you could ever imagine.